[01:13] <dantti> great :( even after installing itunes on a vm and creating an account I can't by the albuns I want!! Stupid apple & amazon
[01:17] <valorie> why?
[01:17] <valorie> I agree that they are stupid, but what happens?
[01:22] <valorie> while I'm at it, got no answer in #phonon, so I'll ask here: is this sentence correct, for Ubuntu users? Phonon-backend-vlc is in the repositories, as is phonon-backend-gstreamer.
[01:22] <dantti> valorie: well I live in brazil, and then don't want to sell the music I want because I live here! :P
[01:23] <dantti> I'm trying to buy mp3 not cds should be easier :/
[01:25] <valorie> I don't understand why these companies are so idiotically STUPID!!!
[01:25] <valorie> you are teh smart
[01:25] <valorie> we're trying to get a music store working in amarok
[01:25] <valorie> soon......
[01:26] <dantti> valorie: oh nice, pls sell to brazil :D
[01:27] <dantti> that kind of music isn't for sale here so I don't get why they can't sell it for me...
[01:27] <valorie> I can't imagine that we would discriminate by country
[01:28] <valorie> the PAL thing for DVDs is stupid, too
[01:28] <valorie> why are they so idiotic?
[01:28] <valorie> grrrrr
[01:29] <dantti> at least afaik blueray has less regions
[01:30] <valorie> regions
[01:30] <valorie> so stupid
[01:45] <maco> valorie, dantti: the reason different music is available in different countries is due to licensing restrictions. it all depends what sort of contracts they could get with which record labels
[01:46] <dantti> maco: sure but I don't get why don't sell abroad if you aren't even exporting to there .. 
[01:47] <dantti> if they didn't want to have concurrence here it would make sence: "go buy in you local shop", but it is not available here :P
[01:47] <maco> sounds like those record labels just plain dont want to sell there then
[01:48] <dantti> it's a shame, now I have to hope some good sould share it in torrents or someone buy it for me :P
[01:50] <maco> maybe you can buy from amazon.com?
[01:51] <dantti> maco: no, I tried it first, it was $5 cheaper
[01:51] <maco> but i mean, they ship all over the world
[01:51] <dantti> then I saw itunes would sell abroad, but I found that there is an itunes store here (which does not have what I want) :P
[01:52] <dantti> maco: they don't ship everything
[01:52] <maco> and amazon doesnt seem to care whether your billing address fits their tld (ive bought from amazon uk)
[01:53] <dantti> maco: well I tried to buy the mp3 and cd  (and a mouse a while ago) and they complained by my billin address,
[01:53] <maco> hrmph
[01:53] <yofel> valorie: phonon-backend-gstreamer and phonon-backend-vlc are both in the repository (vlc since maverick)
[01:53] <dantti> I tried to buy a geforce too, but gave up and went to ebay
[01:53] <maco> one of my friends says amazon is convinced she is a slovakian criminal
[01:53] <dantti> hehe
[01:53] <valorie> thanks yofel, I thought so, but wanted to be sure
[01:54] <dantti> they should open an excemption since today is my birthday lol
[01:56] <yofel> oh, happy birthday then dantti :)
[01:56] <valorie> happy bday dantti!
[01:57] <dantti> thanks :)
[09:20]  * apachelogger thinks that dantti_work should just not live in brazil :P
[09:21] <apachelogger> valorie: for pal vs ntsc vs secam vs foobar you have to thank patenting IIRC
[09:21] <apachelogger> ...also pal is superior anyway...
[09:22] <valorie> patenting software; who thought THAT was a good idea
[09:22] <valorie> :(
[09:22] <valorie> I know how/why, but don't understand why people just let it happen
[09:22] <valorie> or put up with it
[09:23] <apachelogger> dantti_work: one must annouce once birthday beforehand btw....
[09:23]  * apachelogger congratulates dantti and throws a ton of cookies at him
[09:24] <apachelogger> valorie: it is not the software, it is the actual alogrithm if I am not mistaken
[09:25] <valorie> that's like patenting genes
[09:25] <valorie> which they also allow
[09:25] <valorie> the world is crazy
[09:25] <apachelogger> wiki does not know :O
[09:25] <apachelogger> In the early 1970s some Japanese set manufacturers developed decoding systems to avoid paying royalties to Telefunken. The Telefunken licence covered any decoding method that relied on the alternating subcarrier phase to reduce phase errors.
[09:26] <apachelogger> good enough for me, clearly the company who invented PAL wants money
[09:26] <apachelogger> for whatever legal reason their might be
[09:27] <valorie> I wouldn't be against patenting and copyrighting and such if it was reasonable
[09:27] <valorie> but no, it's 87 years plus one million, or something
[09:27] <valorie> don't listen to me, I'm grumpy
[09:29]  * apachelogger is tired
[09:30] <apachelogger> and I dont have milk for my tea
[09:30] <apachelogger> today appears to be rather horrible
[09:30]  * valorie DCCs milk to apachelogger
[09:30] <valorie> although I only have non-fat
[09:30] <apachelogger> quassel does not do DCC :P
[09:31] <valorie> lol
[09:31] <apachelogger> we are not the filesharing kind... ;)
[09:31] <valorie> well, to be strictly honest, milk doesn't DCC well anyway
[09:31] <apachelogger> did you try it before?
[09:31] <valorie> only a thought experiment
[09:31] <valorie> :-)
[09:32] <apachelogger> one always needs proof...
[09:33] <apachelogger> valorie: btw, what was this phonon stuff about?
[09:34] <valorie> someone who uses ubuntu said they couldn't find another backend besides xine
[09:34] <valorie> in the forum
[09:34] <valorie> I just wanted to be sure to give out good info
[09:34] <al> i think pal vs ntsc wasn't abount patents
[09:35] <al> it just turned out that ntsc sucks, so the clever europeans came up with pal ;)
[09:35] <al> you all know what ntsc is short for?
[09:35] <valorie> no?
[09:35] <al> never the same color :>
[09:35] <valorie> haha
[09:35] <valorie> the best system definitely does not always win
[09:36] <apachelogger> well
[09:36] <valorie> blu-ray, for instance, wasn't clearly better
[09:36]  * apachelogger does not get why one could not migrate
[09:36] <apachelogger> ...
[09:36] <valorie> betamax was better than whateveritwas that won that war
[09:36] <valorie> etc.
[09:37] <valorie> apachelogger: are you implying that coconuts *migrate*?
[09:37] <apachelogger> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[09:37] <apachelogger> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[09:37] <apachelogger> Segmentation fault
[09:37] <apachelogger> Segmentation fault
[09:37] <apachelogger> this xbuiding annoys the shit out of me
[09:37] <apachelogger> valorie: see monty python and the holy grail....
[09:38]  * apachelogger is implying just that
[09:38] <valorie> lol
[09:38] <valorie> I couldn't do without monty python!
[09:39] <apachelogger> actually I think the phrase is are you suggesting that coconuts migrate
[09:39]  * apachelogger asks the lord google
[09:39] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcLQRXW6B0
[09:39] <valorie> dear lord I wouldn't want to quote wrongly!
[09:43] <valorie> This is possibly the funniest conversation since man learnt the art of speech.
[09:43] <Mamarok> it would be nice to have the 0.3 vlc backend in the backports PPA
[09:43] <valorie> great comment
[09:43] <valorie> thanks for cheering me up
[10:03] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100234-yl69x5khmbkywrtx * D09custompool allow setting of custom pooldir
[10:04] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100437-8thh3ftwciy2ukjr * D09custompool create dists links in pool
[10:05] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100509-92cps2q6wlrx3n9r * D09custompool fail if cd to pooldir failed
[10:05] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100538-rx0gez1a7y87w5g1 * D09custompool typo--
[10:11] <skamster_> hello all..
[10:11] <skamster_> could someone tell me how i could make a akonadi-item to a contact-object?
[10:11] <skamster_> in pykde
[10:14] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213101408-i6uy4dxkl6fxwbc8 * D09custompool install lsb-release, ideally this ought to be replaced by manually parsing /etc/lsbsomething
[10:20] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213101955-zhl2fmhenebhapu4 * D09custompool there we go, good bye lsb-release, now manually grepping and cutting the distro codename
[10:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/oxygen-gtk/1.0.0/src/oxygen-gtk-1.0.0.tar.bz2
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, phonon-backend-vlc doesn't show video with dragon
[11:55] <Riddell> which is worse than gstreamer backend which just garbles the audio
[12:11] <apachelogger> whut?
[12:11] <apachelogger> whut????
[12:11] <apachelogger> whaaaa?
[12:11] <apachelogger> omg
[12:11] <apachelogger> !
[12:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: have a 1010 package around?
[12:11] <Riddell> I'm afraid not
[12:14] <apachelogger> cannot test then :(
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: any debug output?
[12:14]  * apachelogger notes that possibly surface rendering is getting in the way
[12:16] <Riddell> oh also dragon crashes on quitting
[12:17] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/fWZ96S14
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is because you did not patch pulse
[12:25] <apachelogger> [0x89bfe4c] stream_out_smem stream out error: Smem does only support raw video format
[12:25] <apachelogger> [0x890e0cc] main decoder error: cannot create packetizer output (theo)
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: that sounds like it is coming from VLC
[12:25] <apachelogger> videoWidgetSizeChanged video width 0 height: 0
[12:25] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yup, got that in yesterday
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> Next bit of business is getting it an MIR and integrating it in to our scripts in kdebase-workspace
[13:41] <ghostcube> beta and update ppa doesnt include restricted anymore, is this right my apt claims it allways on update
[14:21] <Riddell> ghostcube: I don't know what you mean
[14:22] <ghostcube> :) if i update my apt it claims no restricted entries found in the ppa files, and when i look into the release files its only main now
[14:22] <ghostcube> so i just ned to kill restricted in my sources.list?
[14:23] <Riddell> it's a PPA, it only has a main component
[14:23] <ghostcube> yeah but it never give ou the warning before thats why iam asking
[14:26] <CIA-24> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213142540-3qgqr2eciyhf4uoa * debian/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Remove the debian-changes-4:4.5.85 patch that snuck in last upload, reverting changes made to fix bashisms
[14:48] <CIA-24> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213144811-m0rx9syqb6cizxjl * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Adapt kubuntu_52_gtk2_engines_qtcurve_config.diff for configuring the new gtk2-engines-oxygen theme, and rename to kubuntu_52_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> man, k-d-s take sa long time to branch
[14:53] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:53] <_Groo_> whos the maintainer of the qtcurve package in kubuntu?
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: I've been known to touch it from time to time
[14:59] <CIA-24> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213145928-555wzo8z2l5ks97d * (3 files in 2 dirs) Rename gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh to gtk2-engines-oxygen.rc.sh, basically changing the default theme from QtCurve to Oxygen-GTK ### Plz wait for gtk2-engines-oxygen MIR before uploading ###
[15:01] <ari-tczew> Riddell: could you approve clementine in NEW as archive admin?
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> hey, we can sync gtk2-engines-qtcurve 1.8.1 from debian now that we're switching ot oxygen-gtk
[15:01]  * JontheEchidna files sync request
[15:16] <Riddell> ari-tczew: I'll do archive admin bits tomorrow (unless it needs to get in today)
[15:16] <ari-tczew> Riddell: thanks!
[15:18] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1206145 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/PackageWidget.cpp (log message trimmed)
[15:18] <CIA-24> Don't enable the search widget before the package list is populated, so that it
[15:18] <CIA-24> is impossible to try to search before the backend has initialized. (And crash)
[15:47] <skamster_> hello all, could someone tell me how i could use the KABC::VCardConverter-object?
[15:47] <skamster_> it's not included in pykde, if i look the right way (don't know why)
[15:53] <skamster_> or another way to make from a akonadi-item a vcard-item..
[15:53] <skamster_> it should be possible, i think.. if not, which sense does akonadi make?
[15:57] <ari-tczew> do your icons on panels work fine?
[15:57] <ari-tczew> I click on them and doesn't work :/
[15:58] <ari-tczew> (natty)
[16:03] <Riddell> ari-tczew: yes
[16:03] <Riddell> skamster_: hmm, I'm not sure kdepimlibs has bindings
[16:03] <Riddell> although that seems like something that should have bindings
[16:20] <skamster_> Riddell: and there are no other ways to convert akonadi-items?
[16:20] <dasKreech> what happened to the UO KDE code that apachelogger was writing?
[16:20] <skamster_> they're not very useable, when they're just items :s
[16:26] <Riddell> skamster_: best ask on the kde-bindings mailing list if there really aren't bindings for kdepimlibs
[16:39] <mfraz74> If I add a new wireless connection there doesn't seem to be a way of setting the "system connection" option
[16:39] <mfraz74> is there something i'm missing?
[16:41] <Riddell> I don't think it's implemented
[16:42] <mfraz74> Riddell: oh :(
[16:43] <mfraz74> are there plans to implement it?
[16:46] <Riddell> you'd need to ask the developers (assuming there are any)
[16:48] <mfraz74> any idea who they are?
[17:07] <ari-tczew> Riddell: my icons on panel don't work anymore after upgrade to **85 version
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259410
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> fixed for the next 4.6 prerelease
[17:27] <ari-tczew> thanks JontheEchidna. my patience is exposed to test.
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: looking at the code, if you lock the plasma widgets clicking should work as a workaround. (Right click panel ->lock widgets)
[17:29] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: yes! thanks
[17:31] <kronos> apachelogger: ping
[18:22] <dasKreech> does anyone know if i have the same kernel but a different build number if I can compile against the source and it will cause problems?
[18:23] <dasKreech> Gah
[18:39] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1206171 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp SVN_SILENT: Stylistic changes
[18:39]  * yofel wonders who did the dpkg sync() benchmarks and said those made it 20% slower..
[18:40] <yofel> I timed installing kubuntu-desktop in natty pbuilder and got:
[18:40] <yofel> dpkg defaults: real    18m54.507s
[18:40] <yofel> dpkg with force-unsafe-io: real    8m37.716s
[18:41] <yofel> test done on my old notebook, did they use a WD Raptor to do the benchmarks o.O?
[19:06] <ScottK> Sigh.
[19:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You've looked into ktorrent stuff in the past, right?  It looks like it needs a header file that's no longer shipped in kdebase-workspace as of 4.5.85 (see the armel build log, but powermanager.h is missing on all archs now).
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> it'll need to adapt to the new API. libraries in kdebase-workspace have no upstream guarantee of being stable
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> and the solid powermanagement stuff in kdebase-workspace changed entirely
[19:13] <ScottK> I suppose they know this already?
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> I'd be very surprised if they didn't
[19:57] <ScottK> Scribus is a PITA to fix, but I think I almost have it.
[20:00] <ScottK> qreal/double issue in kdeedu:
[20:00] <ScottK> ../../../rocs/src/Core/Data.cpp:247:6: error: prototype for 'void Datum::setWidth(qreal)' does not match any in class 'Datum'
[20:00] <ScottK> ../../../rocs/src/Core/Data.h:88:10: error: candidate is: void Datum::setWidth(double)
[20:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you look at that one ^^^
[20:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: the cpp does not match with the header
[20:06] <apachelogger> header says qreal, cpp says double, compiler says OMG!!!
[20:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Reasonably enough.  Which is correct?
[20:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: qreal I suppose
[20:07] <ScottK> Care to fix?
[20:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: busy right now
[20:07] <ScottK> Sigh.
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^?
[20:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: one really just needs to change the line in cpp to say qreal :)
[20:08] <ScottK> OK.
[20:08] <ScottK> Right.
[20:09] <ScottK> Oooh.  JontheEchidna: You have kdesvn account, right?
[20:09] <ScottK> Could you fix that in kdesvn and I'll fix it in Ubuntu?
[20:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: What I lack is the ability to commit the fix upstream.
[20:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: I can commit the fix quick enough
[20:10] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[20:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you building -workspace on the arm boxen?
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh oh oh oh oh
[20:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually I cannot
[20:11] <apachelogger> yes, I am building workspace
[20:11] <ScottK> OK.
[20:12] <apachelogger> but about the commit ... 
[20:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why not?
[20:12] <apachelogger> one would have to know whether that is a public header
[20:12] <ScottK> Seems we'd want to know the same thing.
[20:12] <apachelogger> because I am not sure changing it in a public header would exactly be compatible
[20:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: it isn't
[20:13] <ScottK> So you can committ it?
[20:15] <CIA-24> [rocs] sitter * 1206189 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/rocs/src/Core/Data.h align .h to .cpp, qreal is not a double on every arch (e.g. not on arm)
[20:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: While you're in the vicinity, looks like no one bothered to send http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeedu/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_arm_needs_qreal.diff upstream either.
[20:24] <ScottK> Would you committ that one too please.
[20:26] <CIA-24> [rocs] sitter * 1206194 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/rocs/src/GraphicsItem/math_constants.h s/double/qreal fix from kubuntu for arm building
[20:41] <yofel> apachelogger: want to add that to the pbuilder hooks? http://paste.ubuntu.com/543277/
[20:45] <apachelogger> yofel: what is that doing?
[20:46] <yofel> apachelogger: disables sync() in dpkg when upacking files
[20:47] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213204700-q7vopmixucd7zv2i * (D11unsafeio D09custompool) magic by Philip Muškovac to disable sync() calls in dpkg
[20:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks again.
[20:55] <apachelogger> yw
[22:06] <Riddell> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/kubuntu-10-10-review/2/  Verdict: 4/5
[22:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any thoughts on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60502123/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-powerpc.kdenetwork_4:4.5.85a-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - The file listed in the build log hasn't changed since 4.5.
[22:11] <yofel> "... and, unfortunately, has the same issue of forcing non-technical users to store their entire file system in a single root partition" - the installer can overwrite system files, so what's the point in seperating /home?
[22:13] <ScottK> yofel: There isn't really one, but there used to be.  He's making present virtue out of past necessity.
[22:13] <yofel> right
[22:19] <ScottK> nixternal: PPC box?
[22:26] <ScottK> OK.  I think Scribus is fixed.
[23:57] <valorie> Riddell: that review is rather crap!
[23:58] <valorie> he takes a point because we don't have Software Center?
[23:58] <valorie> software center drove me insane, in the day I had to use it
[23:58] <valorie> ugh
[23:59] <valorie> new kpackagekit is better, IMO