[00:38] <BUGabundo> Merry Xtmas everyone <3 http://goo.gl/SzUUv
[01:01] <penguin42> Hi BUGabundo
[01:01] <BUGabundo> yo my pal
[01:04]  * penguin42 is waiting for his netbook for finish an upgrade; it got an error about a failure part way thorugh so it's not happy
[01:07] <bjsnider> vlc must be using a built-in amplifier or something, because it has a volume control that is clearly separate from pulse even if it's using pulse as the audio driver
[01:26] <penguin42> well, surprisingly it's survived the update even given the python errors, and shockingly unity works
[02:58] <alteregoa> i got a problem with my smargo cardreader
[02:58] <alteregoa> i get a error unable to read latency -32
[02:59] <alteregoa> accfnording to this url https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/62073/ i have to patch that, but i don't know how
[03:02] <alteregoa>   29.082179] ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: Unable to read latency timer: -32
[03:09] <Volkodav> man patch
[07:13] <djhash> So i'm testing out 11.4 on VirtualBox.. I wanted to change my password but I couldn't find.. "Users and Groups" under system->Admin.. is this because it being in alpha.. or was it intentionally removed?
[07:39] <rww> djhash: It's part of gnome-system-tools, which got removed deliberately per http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta_1.209/changelog . I don't know the rationale.
[07:42] <rww> djhash: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint -> Looks like the plan is to replace it with GNOME 3's user admin tool.
[07:43] <djhash> thanks
[11:33] <coz_> hey  guys...so far in unity there is no  alt-F2  run dialog...are there plans to change this?
[12:14] <zniavre_> coz_,  hello im reading you are using unity > im installing right now an old radeon supplied laptop do you think unity will work?
[12:15] <penguin42> zniavre_: Does compiz work? and how old a radeon?
[12:15] <coz_> zniavre_,   not sure about the ati card  though   ,,,if it doesn  support that card you will be dropped to classic gnome
[12:15] <zniavre_> penguin42,  compiz is running (slowly) with this 320m igp video card
[12:16] <coz_> zniavre_,   compiz 0.8  or 0.9
[12:16] <zniavre_> haha good question last working compiz was with 10.04
[12:16] <coz_> zniavre_,  unity is using 0.9  so you may get a slight  speed boost
[12:17] <zniavre_> i hav no luck with unity and gnome-shell no one of my computers can make them works im quite sad about it
[12:17] <coz_> zniavre_,  and not much is enabled by default ...expo  for sure  is enabled  and zoom animation  I believe  by default
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  gnome-shell sucks mainly because of mutter
[12:18] <zniavre_> maybe i can't try it ...   :o(
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,   well  unity doesnt use mutter
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  compiz replaces that
[12:18] <coz_> zniavre_,  but it is compiz 0.9.x
[12:18] <zniavre_> unity can't works with nvidia drivers right ?
[12:19] <coz_> zniavre_,  works fine here with nvidia
[12:19] <zniavre_> ha ?
[12:19] <coz_> zniavre_,  the issue is only  before you install the nvidia driver...
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  at first you will be dropped to classic gnome desktop...then install the driver  ,,then it should boot into unity
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  sometimes nothing shows on the desktop prior to nvidia driver install
[12:20] <zniavre_> even if i hav already nvidia drivers installed?
[12:20] <coz_> zniavre_,  well is unity already installed?
[12:20] <zniavre_> no
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_, oh
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_,   then the drivers wont be installed
[12:21] <zniavre_> i fact i wanted to try unity but it looks vbox can't run it
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_, ah
[12:21] <coz_> zniavre_,   I dont think it will work virtually
[12:22] <zniavre_> so i installed my alod laptop but what you said few lines ago make me think this card can't handle unity (and compiz now)
[12:22] <zniavre_> alod > old*
[12:22] <zniavre_> but if you said unity can work now with compiz and nvidia driver im thinking about installing 11.04 on my pc
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,    cant hurt to try
[12:23] <zniavre_> :o)
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,   :)
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,  unity on a "single"  monitor is fine
[12:23] <zniavre_> i really want to see and to know if unity make us love gnome-shell or gnome-desktop
[12:23] <coz_> zniavre_,  on dual monitors  because of global menu ... neraly useless
[12:24] <coz_> zniavre_,  well actually its not gnome-shell
[12:24] <coz_> zniavre_,  its compiz/unity
[12:24] <zniavre_> do you know if app-indicator is done by global-menu team ?
[12:24] <coz_> not sure
[12:25] <zniavre_> i hav the feeling they were a bit "stolen" of their works (even for new firefox globalmenu xpi)
[12:26] <zniavre_> hope stolen is nt too radical but it's the only word i know for this
[12:26] <zniavre_> :o)
[12:27] <zniavre_> so thank you for answering let's see first if the laptop can use unity
[13:11] <CosmiChaos> does ubuntu natty narwhale will have support for transparent hugepage?
[13:24] <coz_> mm running gnome-about-me  gives me  (gnome-about-me:2813): libebook-WARNING **: e-book.c:2245: cannot get book from factory: Invalid source
[13:34] <coz_> mm also noticed that setting an new item in the menu to "Applications in terminal"  it doesnt work
[14:27] <coz_> zniavre_,  did you go ahead with the install?
[15:11] <IdleOne> What is the status with python 2.7?
[15:11] <IdleOne> have the rebuilds finished, settled down?
[15:15] <Volkodav> does not look finished last time I checked
[16:06] <susundberg> Hello. I am having bad performance with KDE file browser -- opening the 'open' and 'save as' dialogs take quite much more time than what it should
[16:06] <susundberg> any idea on problem source?
[16:06] <susundberg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144718 <- this talks something about 'tracker' but its not installed in natty?
[16:06] <susundberg> (or is the problem solely on kubuntu natty?)
[17:36] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know where the "recover a broken system" option is on natty alpha 1 live cd?
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> so i see that i have to go int "Try Ubuntu"
[18:24] <charlie-tca> pace_t_zulu: the option was removed completely in maverick, I think. You now use the live environment instead
[19:52] <BUGabundo> o/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> o/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> who wants an head hake?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> me, me
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I take on every day ;-)
[19:53] <BUGabundo> no
[19:53] <BUGabundo> you want pain killers
[19:53] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, that's right
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Hard to keep it all straight sometimes ;-)
[19:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
[19:57] <charlie-tca> if it works,
[20:17] <BUGabundo> humm compiz and ubuntu-desktop in circular depencies?? Amaranth
[20:57] <lucas-arg> heey guys, is broadcom wireless cards going to be supported in 11.04 out of the box?
[20:59] <lucas-arg> i heard soemthing about broadcom wireless being added to the kernel or something like that
[21:01] <lucas-arg> knock knock
[21:07] <histo> they have written drivers I don't know if they are open
[21:08] <histo> You could always fire up 11.04 and see but I'm not sure if they are added yet
[21:10] <histo> Drivers are already built in frimware is the issue
[21:12] <histo> lucas-arg: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars
[21:13] <lucas-arg> thanks
[21:13] <lucas-arg> but still is it gonna be in 11.04?
[21:13] <lucas-arg> i read that article
[21:14] <histo> lucas-arg: you'd prolly have to ask the kernel dev team I don't
[21:14] <histo> lucas-arg: it's not mentioned  here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1
[21:14] <lucas-arg> thanks histo
[21:15] <lucas-arg> it would really rock
[21:15] <lucas-arg> and so if nvidia works oob too
[21:15] <histo> lucas-arg: well nvidia works oob just with the free drivers which aren't as good.
[21:16] <lucas-arg> i couldnt use unity when i tried 11.04
[21:18] <yofel> nouveau has no opengl support by default which unity (compiz) needs
[21:18] <yofel> so you need to run classic, install the nvidia driver and then run unity
[21:22] <bjsnider> libg1-mesa-dri-experimental gives nouveau opengl support
[22:17] <Volkodav> I have a partial update that offers to remove compiz and install a bunch of libs - should i go for it or wait until more updates will be available to avoid any troubles
[22:18] <BUGabundo> don't do it
[22:18] <Volkodav> I thoight so too
[22:50] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: compiz doesn't depend on ubuntu-desktop
[22:51] <BUGabundo> don't tell me that
[22:51] <BUGabundo> aptitude says other wise :)
[22:51] <Amaranth> aptitude is lying
[22:51] <BUGabundo> upgrading one is uninstaling the other :(
[23:20] <ldunn> So, I just installed Natty, all seemed good, then I installed fglrx. Now it hangs when I log in. Wireless still connects, but apart from that nothing seems to be happening
[23:21] <coz_> ldunn,    opean a terminal and try    gnome-wm  --replace & disown
[23:22] <ldunn> well, ... hm, I wonder if Alt+F2 still works.
[23:22] <coz_> I dont think so
[23:22] <ldunn> (Virtual terminals don't seem to work once I log in)
[23:22] <ldunn> Oh dear. :|
[23:22] <coz_> ldunn,  you can in stall gmrun in its place
[23:22] <ldunn> hm.
[23:27] <ldunn> Hm, well I just noticed I can start GNOME instead of Unity at the login screen, so that works for now I guess
[23:27] <coz_> yes you can get classic gnome at login
[23:28] <coz_> ldunn,  the  gnome-wm --replace didnt work?
[23:28] <ldunn> coz_: I didn't bother trying, but I doubt it would have worked once I tried to start Unity
[23:28] <ldunn> Well, if i could run it it probably would have. But I can't.
[23:29] <coz_> ldunn,  actually I have to use  that command every time i enable  twinview with nvidia  while unity is running
[23:29] <coz_> ldunn,  it restarts a new instance of nux
[23:29] <ldunn> hrm.
[23:32] <coz_> ldunn,  although I dont think "instance" is the correct terminology for this
[23:33]  * ldunn shrugs
[23:33] <coz_> ldunn,  i do know that it is nux being cranky
[23:37] <coz_> ldunn,   the only part of your issue I am unsure of is the "fglrx"   I know too little about ati in general and even less  about its working capabilities on natty /unity
[23:38] <ldunn> mmm. Meh, GNOME is fine for now
[23:38] <coz_> ldunn,  :)