[00:38] Merry Xtmas everyone <3 http://goo.gl/SzUUv === mj is now known as Guest17156 === ryokea_ is now known as ryokea [01:01] Hi BUGabundo [01:01] yo my pal [01:04] * penguin42 is waiting for his netbook for finish an upgrade; it got an error about a failure part way thorugh so it's not happy [01:07] vlc must be using a built-in amplifier or something, because it has a volume control that is clearly separate from pulse even if it's using pulse as the audio driver [01:26] well, surprisingly it's survived the update even given the python errors, and shockingly unity works [02:58] i got a problem with my smargo cardreader [02:58] i get a error unable to read latency -32 [02:59] accfnording to this url https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/62073/ i have to patch that, but i don't know how [03:02] 29.082179] ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: Unable to read latency timer: -32 [03:09] man patch === ryokea is now known as ryokea|afk === ryokea|afk is now known as ryokea === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === MosquitoOo is now known as MaWaLe [07:13] So i'm testing out 11.4 on VirtualBox.. I wanted to change my password but I couldn't find.. "Users and Groups" under system->Admin.. is this because it being in alpha.. or was it intentionally removed? [07:39] djhash: It's part of gnome-system-tools, which got removed deliberately per http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta_1.209/changelog . I don't know the rationale. [07:42] djhash: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint -> Looks like the plan is to replace it with GNOME 3's user admin tool. [07:43] thanks === MosquitoOo is now known as MaWaLe === croppa is now known as croppa_ [11:33] hey guys...so far in unity there is no alt-F2 run dialog...are there plans to change this? [12:14] coz_, hello im reading you are using unity > im installing right now an old radeon supplied laptop do you think unity will work? [12:15] zniavre_: Does compiz work? and how old a radeon? [12:15] zniavre_, not sure about the ati card though ,,,if it doesn support that card you will be dropped to classic gnome [12:15] penguin42, compiz is running (slowly) with this 320m igp video card [12:16] zniavre_, compiz 0.8 or 0.9 [12:16] haha good question last working compiz was with 10.04 [12:16] zniavre_, unity is using 0.9 so you may get a slight speed boost [12:17] i hav no luck with unity and gnome-shell no one of my computers can make them works im quite sad about it [12:17] zniavre_, and not much is enabled by default ...expo for sure is enabled and zoom animation I believe by default [12:18] zniavre_, gnome-shell sucks mainly because of mutter [12:18] maybe i can't try it ... :o( [12:18] zniavre_, well unity doesnt use mutter [12:18] zniavre_, compiz replaces that [12:18] zniavre_, but it is compiz 0.9.x [12:18] unity can't works with nvidia drivers right ? [12:19] zniavre_, works fine here with nvidia [12:19] ha ? [12:19] zniavre_, the issue is only before you install the nvidia driver... [12:20] zniavre_, at first you will be dropped to classic gnome desktop...then install the driver ,,then it should boot into unity [12:20] zniavre_, sometimes nothing shows on the desktop prior to nvidia driver install [12:20] even if i hav already nvidia drivers installed? [12:20] zniavre_, well is unity already installed? [12:20] no [12:21] zniavre_, oh [12:21] zniavre_, then the drivers wont be installed [12:21] i fact i wanted to try unity but it looks vbox can't run it [12:21] zniavre_, ah [12:21] zniavre_, I dont think it will work virtually [12:22] so i installed my alod laptop but what you said few lines ago make me think this card can't handle unity (and compiz now) [12:22] alod > old* [12:22] but if you said unity can work now with compiz and nvidia driver im thinking about installing 11.04 on my pc [12:23] zniavre_, cant hurt to try [12:23] :o) [12:23] zniavre_, :) [12:23] zniavre_, unity on a "single" monitor is fine [12:23] i really want to see and to know if unity make us love gnome-shell or gnome-desktop [12:23] zniavre_, on dual monitors because of global menu ... neraly useless [12:24] zniavre_, well actually its not gnome-shell [12:24] zniavre_, its compiz/unity [12:24] do you know if app-indicator is done by global-menu team ? [12:24] not sure [12:25] i hav the feeling they were a bit "stolen" of their works (even for new firefox globalmenu xpi) [12:26] hope stolen is nt too radical but it's the only word i know for this [12:26] :o) [12:27] so thank you for answering let's see first if the laptop can use unity === zniavr is now known as znilappy [13:11] does ubuntu natty narwhale will have support for transparent hugepage? [13:24] mm running gnome-about-me gives me (gnome-about-me:2813): libebook-WARNING **: e-book.c:2245: cannot get book from factory: Invalid source [13:34] mm also noticed that setting an new item in the menu to "Applications in terminal" it doesnt work === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [14:27] zniavre_, did you go ahead with the install? [15:11] What is the status with python 2.7? [15:11] have the rebuilds finished, settled down? [15:15] does not look finished last time I checked [16:06] Hello. I am having bad performance with KDE file browser -- opening the 'open' and 'save as' dialogs take quite much more time than what it should [16:06] any idea on problem source? [16:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1144718 <- this talks something about 'tracker' but its not installed in natty? [16:06] (or is the problem solely on kubuntu natty?) === G_A_C is now known as Guest28706 === Guest28706 is now known as G_A_C === G_A_C is now known as Guest1305 [17:36] anyone know where the "recover a broken system" option is on natty alpha 1 live cd? [17:37] so i see that i have to go int "Try Ubuntu" === Guest1305 is now known as G_A_C [18:24] pace_t_zulu: the option was removed completely in maverick, I think. You now use the live environment instead [19:52] o/ [19:52] o/ [19:52] who wants an head hake? [19:53] me, me [19:53] I take on every day ;-) [19:53] no [19:53] you want pain killers [19:53] oh, yeah, that's right [19:55] Hard to keep it all straight sometimes ;-) [19:56] charlie-tca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL [19:57] if it works, [20:17] humm compiz and ubuntu-desktop in circular depencies?? Amaranth === BUGabundo is now known as BUGa_fewd [20:57] heey guys, is broadcom wireless cards going to be supported in 11.04 out of the box? [20:59] i heard soemthing about broadcom wireless being added to the kernel or something like that [21:01] knock knock [21:07] they have written drivers I don't know if they are open [21:08] You could always fire up 11.04 and see but I'm not sure if they are added yet [21:10] Drivers are already built in frimware is the issue [21:12] lucas-arg: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars [21:13] thanks [21:13] but still is it gonna be in 11.04? [21:13] i read that article [21:14] lucas-arg: you'd prolly have to ask the kernel dev team I don't [21:14] lucas-arg: it's not mentioned here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1 [21:14] thanks histo [21:15] it would really rock [21:15] and so if nvidia works oob too [21:15] lucas-arg: well nvidia works oob just with the free drivers which aren't as good. [21:16] i couldnt use unity when i tried 11.04 [21:18] nouveau has no opengl support by default which unity (compiz) needs [21:18] so you need to run classic, install the nvidia driver and then run unity === BUGa_fewd is now known as BUGabundo [21:22] libg1-mesa-dri-experimental gives nouveau opengl support === Dink_ is now known as Dink [22:17] I have a partial update that offers to remove compiz and install a bunch of libs - should i go for it or wait until more updates will be available to avoid any troubles [22:18] don't do it [22:18] I thoight so too [22:50] BUGabundo: compiz doesn't depend on ubuntu-desktop [22:51] don't tell me that [22:51] aptitude says other wise :) [22:51] aptitude is lying [22:51] upgrading one is uninstaling the other :( [23:20] So, I just installed Natty, all seemed good, then I installed fglrx. Now it hangs when I log in. Wireless still connects, but apart from that nothing seems to be happening [23:21] ldunn, opean a terminal and try gnome-wm --replace & disown [23:22] well, ... hm, I wonder if Alt+F2 still works. [23:22] I dont think so [23:22] (Virtual terminals don't seem to work once I log in) [23:22] Oh dear. :| [23:22] ldunn, you can in stall gmrun in its place [23:22] hm. [23:27] Hm, well I just noticed I can start GNOME instead of Unity at the login screen, so that works for now I guess [23:27] yes you can get classic gnome at login [23:28] ldunn, the gnome-wm --replace didnt work? [23:28] coz_: I didn't bother trying, but I doubt it would have worked once I tried to start Unity [23:28] Well, if i could run it it probably would have. But I can't. [23:29] ldunn, actually I have to use that command every time i enable twinview with nvidia while unity is running [23:29] ldunn, it restarts a new instance of nux [23:29] hrm. [23:32] ldunn, although I dont think "instance" is the correct terminology for this [23:33] * ldunn shrugs [23:33] ldunn, i do know that it is nux being cranky [23:37] ldunn, the only part of your issue I am unsure of is the "fglrx" I know too little about ati in general and even less about its working capabilities on natty /unity [23:38] mmm. Meh, GNOME is fine for now [23:38] ldunn, :)