| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| didrocks | good morning | 07:20 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:38 |
| pitti | BANZAI! | 08:04 |
| pitti | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ | 08:04 |
| pitti | i386/amd64 not oversized any more | 08:05 |
| pitti | OO.o helped to kill ~ 10 MB | 08:05 |
| * pitti dances around happily | 08:05 | |
| micahg | pitti: BTW, libreoffice is in experimental | 08:06 |
| pitti | micahg: right, but I won't touch it, I'm afraid | 08:06 |
| pitti | micahg: we'll get a proper OO.o maintainer soon | 08:07 |
| pitti | it already took me half a week to get the current version building on natty.. | 08:07 |
| micahg | pitti: wow, yeah, I just read the changelog, I hope the libreoffice build system ends up a little cleaner | 08:07 |
| pitti | micahg: so am I; doing patches-for-patches hurts a lot | 08:08 |
| pitti | micahg: well, I hope/think that most of the go-oo patches can make it into upstream libreoffice | 08:08 |
| pitti | and for the remaining ones we can hopefully just have a single set of patches which are directly applied to the build tree | 08:09 |
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| didrocks | hey pitti! | 08:22 |
| didrocks | pitti: excelent :) | 08:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh really, we have an OO.o maintainer now? \o/ | 08:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: not yet | 08:24 |
| pitti | didrocks: just a poor pitti who spend his nights sledgehammering on the current package :) | 08:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: hehe, yeah, I can imagine. I played that game for a week in August | 08:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: at least, I hope that me, documenting all changes in debian/changelog helped you | 08:25 |
| didrocks | (because most of the diff between debian and us wasn't documented…) | 08:25 |
| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| pitti | unfortunately http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101213/ is still heavily oversized | 08:42 |
| didrocks | :/ | 08:45 |
| didrocks | pitti: how was your week-end, btw? | 08:45 |
| * didrocks just finished a tedious 2 hours of week-end unity bug triaging :/ | 08:46 | |
| pitti | didrocks: went to visit my parents and cousins yesterday, for the ceremonial red cabbage cooking :) | 08:46 |
| pitti | (my father has an awesome recipe) | 08:46 |
| pitti | otherwise it was fairly quiet; some OO.o hacking, and some idling, I caught a bit of a cold | 08:46 |
| didrocks | oh nice! | 08:46 |
| didrocks | urgh | 08:46 |
| pitti | didrocks: last week I discovered http://www.dxx-rebirth.com/ | 08:46 |
| didrocks | take care… not very surprising with this weather btw :) | 08:46 |
| pitti | that's a productivity killer :) | 08:47 |
| pitti | I loved Descent back in the DOS era | 08:47 |
| didrocks | oh, excellent! Yeah, you will kill my productivity as well :) | 08:47 |
| pitti | and now it runs amazingly well under Linux, and it looks 10 times better than back then due to full resolution | 08:47 |
| didrocks | I played that game too much :) | 08:47 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'm in level 9 in Ace mode now -- gee, they really give you a good beating at that difficulty | 08:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: they changed the difficulty level? | 08:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: no, I just didn't play Ace back then | 08:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: btw, if you want to build it, give me a ping; there's some tricks you have to do to get it to build | 08:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh sure, I'll. Probably after the holidays I guess (so in January) as I think I'll have to focus on housework first :) | 08:49 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 08:49 |
| * pitti discovers 1.9 MB balooning of libgphoto2 and fixes | 08:50 | |
| didrocks | 1.9 MB? what was the cause? | 08:50 |
| pitti | it accidentally ships the API docs in both the lib and the -dev package | 08:52 |
| didrocks | oh ok | 08:53 |
| pitti | I'm analyzing the iso-deb-size-compare result between maverick and current daily | 08:53 |
| pitti | and this one stuck out | 08:54 |
| didrocks | oh there is such a tool or did you hack a shell-script ourself (I did that when I tracked the oversize in UNE). I've always wondered why the manifest doesn't report the size | 08:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: I hacked it a few months ago | 09:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools | 09:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks I'm refreshing my branch then :) | 09:02 |
| htorque | didrocks, bug 688803 | 09:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 688803 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_get (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688803 | 09:04 |
| htorque | what's incomplete there (except the call in /usr/lib/libdbusmenu-glib.so.2)? i always thought if i get all function names i'm good to report? | 09:04 |
| didrocks | htorque: if you look, for some function, you ony have the prototype, not the values, not sure why, I was blaming missing dbgsym | 09:05 |
| didrocks | htorque: but in any case, it can be easily reproduced, hence the triaged :) | 09:05 |
| htorque | didrocks, oh, i see. will try again. :) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | htorque: thanks :) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | htorque: you know about the dbgsym and such, I guess? | 09:07 |
| didrocks | htorque: oh you build from trunk most of the time, scratch it :) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | (but not for bamf and glib I guess) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey | 09:17 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 09:17 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 09:17 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | had a nice we? | 09:17 |
| pitti | seb128: have a bit of a sore throat, but weekend was nice, yes | 09:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I finally got OO.o to build \o/ | 09:18 |
| seb128 | oh, take care of you then | 09:18 |
| seb128 | nice, so you are officially maintain it now? ;-) | 09:18 |
| * seb128 runs away from pitti | 09:18 | |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, I didn't understand your last sentence; must be a temporary transmision glitch | 09:18 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, ça va? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 09:19 |
| seb128 | ouais et toi ? | 09:20 |
| didrocks | ça va bien :) | 09:20 |
| seb128 | did the unity and indicators update land on friday? | 09:21 |
| seb128 | did they work? ;-) | 09:21 |
| pitti | and we have current CD images again, finally | 09:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: unity landed and worked for me. Not sure about the indicators update | 09:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: seems that a lot of people got stuck in the dist-upgrade which removed the indicators | 09:23 |
| didrocks | so, I'm just apt-get upgrade now and then will try a dist-upgrade to see the current status | 09:23 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:25 |
| htorque | didrocks, yeah, when testing trunk i always remove the -dbgsym packages to avoid conflicts. looks like i didn't reinstall them when testing this with the natty packages. :) | 09:26 |
| didrocks | htorque: ok :) | 09:27 |
| === Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_Tr | ||
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:43 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:43 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 09:43 |
| chrisccoulson | good thanks, how are you? | 09:44 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 09:44 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, unity doesn't work well when i dock my laptop :/ | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i have one black screen and one screen with half a shell on it ;) | 09:46 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson | 09:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks, how are you? | 09:47 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: yeah, multi-monitor isn't good for now | 09:47 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm tired but fine, thanks :) | 09:47 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, restarting compiz fixes the issues :) | 09:48 |
| chrisccoulson | i now have 2 monitors back | 09:48 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: yeah, but the panel isn't at its best from the bug reports I see :) | 09:51 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - yeah, it spans both monitors and the menubar on the opposite monitor is a bit weird ;) | 09:52 |
| chrisccoulson | but i need to run unity now to hack on the ffox menubar :) | 09:52 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: there are already discussions on bugs about that :) | 09:52 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: hehe :) (I think you can also use the gnome-panel appmenu applet, but I won't discourage you using unity of course :p) | 09:53 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, i didn't realise that! | 09:54 |
| seb128 | catching up on planet | 09:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, nice appmenu firefox work ;-) | 09:57 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 09:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, I think one reason to not preselect the gdm user as well was that selecting it starts the pam dialog | 09:58 |
| chrisccoulson | there's still quite a lot for me to do, and i need to get some missing features in to libdbusmenu this week too | 09:58 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's getting there! | 09:58 |
| seb128 | there was some issues, timeout bugs, etc in the past about those | 09:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ;-) | 09:58 |
| pitti | seb128: I see; right, it needs to check for the auth method | 09:59 |
| seb128 | well I don't say it's not doable but it would not be as trivial as activating the widget | 10:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you know what the real packaging bzr branch for unity-asset-pool is? | 10:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/unity-asset-pool is not entirely clear, and the package doesn't have a vcs-bzr | 10:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: should be lp:~unity-team/unity-asset-pool/packaging | 10:08 |
| pitti | meh, -ECAN'TCOMMIT | 10:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: if I throw you a branch, could you pull it into that one? | 10:09 |
| didrocks | yeah, that's something which should be fixed, not sure that subscribing all core-dev to unity-team and getting spammed but all unity bugs is nice though :/ | 10:09 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure, sorry for the extra work | 10:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: no problem | 10:10 |
| pitti | I also need to fix notify-osd, doesn't build in natty | 10:10 |
| pitti | but I think I still have upstream commit powers there | 10:10 |
| didrocks | hehe :) | 10:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, why do we need unity in the unity team vcs? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | the packaging should use the standard lp:ubuntu | 10:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, check with mirco, I think they fixed issues in trunk | 10:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, would be nice to get a new tarball as well | 10:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, we set up like that at the beginning, but yeah, that should be pushed in lp:ubuntu. can do it | 10:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: I can do that as well, while I'm at it | 10:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: (u-a-p to lp:ubuntu/ | 10:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure, please do :) | 10:11 |
| didrocks | I'll do the others | 10:11 |
| pitti | alrighty | 10:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: perhaps you can delete the branch from LP then | 10:12 |
| seb128 | brb session restart | 10:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: seb128: the only thing is that for daily build, sometimes, I change the packaging in advance | 10:12 |
| didrocks | too late :) | 10:12 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: hey, I got a mail from a guy with problems with the latest ff/tbird (from 2010-12-10) are you interessted in reports like tihs? | 10:15 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: very little details unfortuantely | 10:16 |
| chrisccoulson | mvo - it depends on what the problem is ;) | 10:16 |
| chrisccoulson | we get quite a lot of different problems from single reporters which generally tend to either not be real bugs or problems with plugins or extensions, so i normally only look at problems that affect more than one person ;) | 10:17 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: yeah, I figured that. fair enough | 10:20 |
| chrisccoulson | mvo - what details do you have though? | 10:20 |
| mvo | very little | 10:21 |
| mvo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/542986/ | 10:21 |
| mvo | but I wanted to raise it just in case it affects more people | 10:21 |
| mvo | don't worry if its a single report | 10:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: the only thing about packaging in lp:ubuntu, is that for daily build, sometimes, I change the packaging in advance. But it's rare enough to be a corner case | 10:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well, you can have unreleased commits in lp:ubuntu | 10:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, but basically, some commits are in advanced like updating the symbol files for symbols in next release | 10:24 |
| didrocks | but again, that's a corner case | 10:24 |
| didrocks | or maybe ~ubuntu-desktop will make more sense for that? | 10:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: ^^ | 10:24 |
| pitti | didrocks: no, use lp:ubuntu/ | 10:25 |
| pitti | didrocks: since ~ubuntu-desktop has upload rights for these packages, they can also commit there | 10:25 |
| pitti | it's all integrated into per-package uploader etc. | 10:25 |
| pitti | didrocks: and yes, it's totally fine (and encouraged) to commit stuff there without upload, same as with the old branches | 10:25 |
| pitti | it's still a bzr branch, after all | 10:26 |
| didrocks | ok, and for compiz? it has been ~compiz for some time already | 10:26 |
| pitti | mvo's and your call, I guess | 10:26 |
| pitti | I'm all for allowing people to commit when they can upload | 10:26 |
| pitti | otherwise it's quite a burden | 10:26 |
| seb128 | well it's not an issue when you have a list set for the teams | 10:27 |
| seb128 | like anybody with upload rights can commit to the ubuntudesktop vcs | 10:28 |
| pitti | seb128: I need to rebuild seahorse; want me to upgrade to 2.32 while I'm at it? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | but the unity team has no mailing list so it would mail spam everybody | 10:28 |
| pitti | (we are at 2.91.2) | 10:28 |
| pitti | erm, ignore me | 10:28 |
| pitti | I read it backwards | 10:29 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:29 |
| pitti | uscan FTL | 10:29 |
| seb128 | we have 2.32 | 10:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, just curious why do you need to rebuild it? is there a list of "need rebuilds" we can help on? | 10:29 |
| pitti | seb128: optimize SVGs and PNGs | 10:29 |
| pitti | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/542992/ | 10:30 |
| pitti | seb128: I spent some time analyzing today's CDs | 10:30 |
| pitti | and this is my work list | 10:30 |
| pitti | I can finish SVGs/PNGs today, then this chapter is done :) | 10:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:31 |
| seb128 | those changes make me nervous btw | 10:31 |
| pitti | which? | 10:31 |
| seb128 | having games excluded from the list seems a workaround | 10:31 |
| seb128 | touching the images without knowing if the software rely on them being in a specific format | 10:32 |
| seb128 | is that being done only on things on the CD? or anything using cdbs will get it? | 10:32 |
| pitti | anything right now (except games) | 10:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ubuntu-desktop is a subteam of compiz | 10:32 |
| pitti | I haven't heard about problems with that yet, aside from this game | 10:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: should we rather do the same with unity + add a ML? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, well let's see but it makes me nervous a bit | 10:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't really care, just if we can be consistent :) | 10:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, being consistent would be to move to lp:ubuntu | 10:34 |
| seb128 | imho | 10:34 |
| seb128 | well do we need a special team for unity? | 10:34 |
| seb128 | seems you abuse the unity upstream team for packaging | 10:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you could move it to the ubuntu-desktop team if you prefer | 10:34 |
| seb128 | that would be better than the unity one to start | 10:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: I proposed that as well, but pitti is more in favor for lp:ubuntu/ | 10:35 |
| didrocks | so let's do that way | 10:35 |
| seb128 | well then you can as well as james_w to alias the lp:ubuntu location to it | 10:35 |
| seb128 | that's what we do for dx sources | 10:35 |
| seb128 | indicators | 10:35 |
| pitti | didrocks: ~branch is by and large ~ubuntu-desktop for desktop packages :) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | well you need to ask james_w | 10:35 |
| pitti | meh, seems I'm not able to commit to notify-osd trunk any more | 10:36 |
| seb128 | the autoimport source is not a derivative of the upstream vcs | 10:36 |
| didrocks | ok, will do that then, setting up a list and pushing under ~ubuntu-desktop | 10:36 |
| * pitti will do a MP | 10:36 | |
| seb128 | pitti, what error do you get? did you check the merge proposal for it? | 10:36 |
| seb128 | it seems people were speaking about fixes for notify-osd last week | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: I only checked out trunk | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: notify_osd-bubble.o: undefined reference to symbol 'XDeleteProperty' | 10:36 |
| pitti | it's a missing -lX11 | 10:37 |
| pitti | seb128: will look at MPs | 10:37 |
| pitti | seb128: nope, nothing there; I'll do my own | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobSavoye/GoldFixes/notify-osd | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, Sarvatt_ was working on it last week according to my logs | 10:39 |
| pitti | ugh, most discoverable page ever :) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | he uploaded a fixed version to a ppa apparently | 10:39 |
| pitti | Sarvatt_: do you have a local notify-osd branch for that? | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, maybe check with him to no dup work | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, I'll shelve that until later then | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks for pointing out | 10:39 |
| seb128 | np | 10:39 |
| seb128 | xorg-edgers has it | 10:40 |
| seb128 | hum no, the upload there failed to build | 10:41 |
| seb128 | I will let Sarvatt_ comment ;-) | 10:41 |
| pitti | right | 10:41 |
| pitti | not that urgent | 10:42 |
| seb128 | in any case would be nice if macslow could roll a tarball | 10:42 |
| seb128 | the trunk has some bug fixes as well | 10:42 |
| pitti | two or three, yes | 10:42 |
| pitti | perhaps he can do a MP review before, and get this fixed | 10:43 |
| pitti | since this requires autoconf changes | 10:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, speaking of unity spam, my unity box got some since last week ;-) | 10:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I'm not eager of Monday morning because of that :-) | 10:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: btw, you restarted with the new version, isn't it? | 10:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes | 10:56 |
| seb128 | why? | 10:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: just to know if everything's all right on upgrade (gnome-session and unity) :-) | 10:57 |
| didrocks | I had to remove the detection module on Friday evening, it was segfaulting for some people and finally they got to unity + gnome-panel | 10:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, in fact it's broken | 10:59 |
| seb128 | well first I didn't dist-upgrade, I'm avoiding the python transition | 11:00 |
| seb128 | so I upgraded unity and its depends | 11:00 |
| seb128 | not gnome-session | 11:00 |
| seb128 | but compiz crashes when I activate unity it seems now :-( | 11:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh ok | 11:00 |
| didrocks | hum? | 11:00 |
| seb128 | (I had until turned off before you asked) | 11:00 |
| seb128 | Initializing staticswitcher options...done | 11:00 |
| seb128 | ** (process:3106): DEBUG: perf-logger.vala:62: shoop de whoop | 11:01 |
| seb128 | and it seems to exit | 11:01 |
| didrocks | oh, you have the same issue than david | 11:01 |
| didrocks | weird, you both have it and with all the week-end spam, no report of an issue with latest unity | 11:01 |
| seb128 | running "unity" works | 11:01 |
| seb128 | hum no | 11:02 |
| didrocks | hum… it shouldn't :) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | it just starts compiz | 11:02 |
| seb128 | (I had unity turned off again in ccsm) | 11:02 |
| didrocks | and when starting unity, it stops? | 11:02 |
| didrocks | oh ok | 11:03 |
| didrocks | so you changed your unity profile | 11:03 |
| seb128 | it's easier to debug with a wm working :p | 11:03 |
| didrocks | don't tell me! :-) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | yes, I'm on my GNOME session | 11:03 |
| seb128 | it's the standard compiz | 11:03 |
| seb128 | I didn't touch ccsm out of activating unity | 11:03 |
| didrocks | ok, should be good then setting-wise | 11:04 |
| didrocks | not sure about the crash/exit | 11:04 |
| didrocks | I can just say that there is a similar report for a week | 11:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'm just about to upload a lucid SRU for pidgin (bug 683076), but the patch is absolutely massive. do you want to take a look before i upload? | 11:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 683076 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin can no longer log in to ICQ (affects: 27) (heat: 372)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683076 | 11:24 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: massive in size, or in how much code it touches? | 11:26 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: weird, I thought the one for maverick was just changing certificates or so (due to the server move) | 11:26 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but if you tested it, please upload; easier to review from teh queue | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - are you thinking about the recent change for MSN? that was quite a small patch | 11:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I remember that | 11:27 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but I thought we also fixed ICQ in maverick-updates | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i see that now. the maverick patch does look smaller, but it's more than changing a certificate | 11:29 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll take a look at that | 11:29 |
| seb128 | the lucid diff seemed small enough | 11:30 |
| seb128 | out of the guy who did the debdiff included the .orig in it | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i just realised that ;) | 11:32 |
| chrisccoulson | d'oh! | 11:32 |
| seb128 | hehe | 11:32 |
| chrisccoulson | so it's smaller than it looks ;) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | so it's ok? ;-) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | when you can check the upstream commit | 11:32 |
| seb128 | it seemed mostly ok to me iirc | 11:32 |
| nessita | hello everyone | 12:20 |
| seb128 | hey nessita | 12:27 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 12:27 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 12:27 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 12:28 |
| nessita | hey seb128! pretty good, thanks. How about you? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 12:29 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, how was the qa sprint? are you back on your side of the world? | 12:29 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, sprint was great, very productive, especially from the SRU testing perspsective | 12:31 |
| rickspencer3 | and I'm in Seattle now, got here yesterday "afternoon", though my body clock is a bit screwy ;) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:32 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, is there any summary of the sprint or its outcome somewhere? | 12:32 |
| seb128 | or will someone write one? | 12:32 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, that can be done easily | 12:33 |
| rickspencer3 | victorp kept it very well organized | 12:33 |
| rickspencer3 | so he has index cards for each task started and completed | 12:33 |
| seb128 | nice | 12:34 |
| seb128 | I'm mostly curious to know if there anything we can pick up to improve what we do | 12:34 |
| seb128 | like writing automatic testcases for SRU | 12:34 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, well, there are 3 kinds of testing that we covered | 12:37 |
| rickspencer3 | 1. SRU certification testing | 12:38 |
| rickspencer3 | so, if we are going to do an SRU, ensure that machines that certified to run Ubuntu in the Canonical cert lab stay that way | 12:38 |
| rickspencer3 | 2. SRU regression testing | 12:38 |
| rickspencer3 | try to make sure that a new kernel does not cause regressions, these are deeper tests, but on fewer machines | 12:38 |
| rickspencer3 | 3. Desktop integration testing | 12:39 |
| rickspencer3 | this is a set of daily tests to ensure that bugs and breakages are caught early | 12:39 |
| rickspencer3 | I think we need more tests for #3 | 12:39 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, was that the kind of thing you were wondering about? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, if we should encourage sru uploads to come with a test testing the issue being fixed with the update | 12:40 |
| seb128 | so we increase our testing coverages for applications as well and make sure the things we fix have a test | 12:40 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, is that to verify that the fix works, or to ensure that there are no regressions in that area in the future? | 12:40 |
| seb128 | both | 12:41 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, that makes a lot of sense | 12:41 |
| seb128 | rather to make sure we test for this bug so it doesn't come back | 12:41 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, that counts for bugs on desktop apps too, right? | 12:41 |
| seb128 | right, I was rather thinking about applications bugs | 12:42 |
| seb128 | those are easier to test | 12:42 |
| rickspencer3 | ah | 12:42 |
| rickspencer3 | that would be sweet, yes | 12:42 |
| seb128 | if we care enough about a bug to SRU a fix we should be careful it doesn't come back | 12:42 |
| rickspencer3 | true | 12:43 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, so, I need to write this up ... for testing apps I am seeing there are basically 3 ways to go about it | 12:44 |
| rickspencer3 | 1. unit tests that work through the gtk builder object | 12:44 |
| rickspencer3 | 2. GUI tests that use the accessability layer | 12:44 |
| rickspencer3 | 3. sikuli (sic?) tests that work by taking screenshots | 12:44 |
| rickspencer3 | between the 3, I don't think there is anything that is "untestable" | 12:44 |
| rickspencer3 | #2 has the advantage of being easy to write tests when there are async aspects to the test | 12:45 |
| rickspencer3 | like, it's easy to test if signals and such are working, if threads returns, etc... (well compared to #1) | 12:45 |
| rickspencer3 | so we discussed last week that we may move all of the mago tests to trial and testtools, and create a MagoTest class in testtools | 12:46 |
| rickspencer3 | (to make it easier to write tests with the accessibility layer) | 12:46 |
| rickspencer3 | </sprint_summary> | 12:46 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 12:46 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I see, I guess having a small example of each cases on a page and pointing that page from the SRU documentation would be a start | 12:48 |
| seb128 | like "you are encouraged to write a test for the bug you fix, see that page if you need examples" | 12:49 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, right, we'll get there, and soon, lots of good work going on | 12:55 |
| seb128 | great | 12:56 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, is it safe for me to dist-upgrade today? is that Python 2.6->2.7 transition settled? | 12:57 |
| seb128 | it should yes | 12:57 |
| seb128 | tell us how it works for you ;-) | 13:00 |
| rickspencer3 | haha | 13:00 |
| rickspencer3 | well, if I disappear and don't come back, you'll have your answer | 13:00 |
| * rickspencer3 wants new launcher features | 13:00 | |
| nisshh | rickspencer3, i have to get new hardware if i want to run Unity in 11.04 :( | 13:08 |
| rickspencer3 | nisshh, :/ | 13:08 |
| nisshh | and im broke, which doesnt exactly help :) | 13:08 |
| rickspencer3 | nisshh, don't worry, seb128 will ensure that you get a great desktop experience with your current hardware | 13:08 |
| rickspencer3 | you'll still be able to run 11.04, and you'll get all the same apps and capabilities, just a different shell | 13:09 |
| nisshh | rickspencer3, heh, well, i need to upgrade anyway, this is 8 year old hardware :) | 13:09 |
| rickspencer3 | wow | 13:09 |
| nisshh | rickspencer3, but i want Unity... *goes and cries in the corner* :) | 13:09 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 13:10 |
| nisshh | rickspencer3, yep, i have been running Ubuntu on a single core with 1GB of RAM :) | 13:10 |
| nisshh | once i get new hardware im going to run irssi in screen on this machine so im on irc 24/7 | 13:11 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, what launcher features do you want? | 13:12 |
| nisshh | rickspencer3, is it unusual that compiz works on this machine with 10.04, but it says i cant run desktop effects in 11.04 | 13:12 |
| seb128 | I want a way to start the same software several times | 13:12 |
| seb128 | I might be weird but I tend to open several firefox, I don't always use tabs in the running instance :p | 13:12 |
| nisshh | seb128, *raises hand* i would like to actually be able to run Unity :) | 13:12 |
| seb128 | nisshh, desktop effect has not been updated for the new compiz | 13:13 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I want the "start new instance of an app on the current workspace" feature | 13:13 |
| nisshh | seb128, yeah, i get the "your computer cannot run/use 3d acceleration" or whatever when i try to use Unity in 11.04 | 13:14 |
| rickspencer3 | so you can switch desktops, then use the launcher to create new instances instead of activating current instances | 13:14 |
| nisshh | yet i can run compiz fine on 10.10 | 13:14 |
| seb128 | nisshh, what videocard do you use? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, can we turn that to "let me start several instance of the same applications" so it fixes my issue as well? ;-) | 13:16 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, can we turn that to "let me start several instance of the same applications" so it fixes my issue as well? ;-) | 13:16 |
| nisshh | seb128, intel IGP on an 8 year old motherboard *waits for seb128 to wince* :) | 13:16 |
| seb128 | ups | 13:16 |
| seb128 | nisshh, can you use compiz without unity on natty? | 13:16 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I think that's what the fix is | 13:17 |
| seb128 | great | 13:17 |
| nisshh | seb128, no, i get that message when logging into Unity on natty and then i try and log into the classic desktop, but it doesnt like it | 13:17 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: it's not, it was a debugging option that will be turned off next release | 13:17 |
| rickspencer3 | by default, it will activate, but you can middle click or select "launch new instance" in the menu | 13:17 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, oh? | 13:17 |
| rickspencer3 | alex had it on in the sprint last week | 13:17 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, I *neeeeed* this feature | 13:18 |
| rickspencer3 | is it hard to turn on? | 13:18 |
| nisshh | i *may* be able to get my hands on a dual core with 6GB of RAM early next year though :) | 13:19 |
| nisshh | but it wont really be worth it | 13:19 |
| seb128 | nisshh, weird, normal compiz should still work | 13:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what is a debugging option? | 13:20 |
| seb128 | the "start in a new windows"? | 13:20 |
| nisshh | seb128, yeah, it was odd, i couldnt log into the classic desktop, i cant remember why it wouldnt let me | 13:20 |
| nisshh | from memory it just refused to go past the login screen | 13:20 |
| seb128 | that needs debugging I guess | 13:21 |
| seb128 | urg, unity crashed | 13:23 |
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| chrisccoulson | i can't run hamster in unity! :( | 13:23 |
| seb128 | there is a bug about that | 13:24 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, that would be nice to have :) | 13:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i use it all the time normally, and today is the first day i'm using unity during my working day | 13:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm going to miss that quite quickly ;) | 13:24 |
| didrocks | ok, disconnected | 13:25 |
| didrocks | 14:17:55 didrocks | rickspencer3: I came in the middle of the discussion, but you are talking about the new entry menu, isn't i | 13:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we are speaking about being able to run the same software several times | 13:26 |
| seb128 | like middle click on the launcher icon or something | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, I have a bug logged on it | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | the scenario is: | 13:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, it's still not decided | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | 1. I have a web browser running on desktop 1 | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | I switch to desktop 2, I want to run another browser window there, but I can't | 13:26 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: I know, I commented on it Friday after wrongly closing it with the menu entry | 13:26 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, can you paste a link to the bug? | 13:27 |
| didrocks | (I reopened it IIRC) | 13:27 |
| seb128 | my scenario is easier than that | 13:27 |
| seb128 | "I want to be able to have 2 firefox runnings" | 13:27 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: trying to get it, without unity or gnome-panel, it's hard :) | 13:27 |
| seb128 | I don't always use tabs, sometimes it's easier to have 2 of those in the alt-tab cycle | 13:27 |
| seb128 | or 2 on screen with different content | 13:27 |
| seb128 | next to each others | 13:27 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, for me, it's the multiple desktops scenario | 13:28 |
| rickspencer3 | not desktops, work spaces | 13:28 |
| seb128 | in any cases I think we need to be able to run something several times | 13:28 |
| nisshh | seb128, this computer is so slow and useless, my net connection will load a page and be waiting for my gpu to render the page its that slow | 13:28 |
| chrisccoulson | isn't that what "Open New Window" does already, or did I miss something? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, | 13:29 |
| seb128 | <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's not, it was a debugging option that will be turned off next release | 13:29 |
| chrisccoulson | urgh, that sucks :( | 13:29 |
| seb128 | "#6 0x04cfdf00 in FavoriteStoreGSettings::RemoveFavorite(char const*) () | 13:29 |
| seb128 | from /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so | 13:29 |
| seb128 | " | 13:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ known crash? | 13:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: there is one on that, right | 13:30 |
| didrocks | retraced and all | 13:30 |
| seb128 | ok great | 13:30 |
| seb128 | it happens every time I try to unpin nautilus | 13:31 |
| didrocks | the bug report was: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656517 | 13:31 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 656517 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "launcher should allow to start several instances of an application (affects: 9) (dups: 1) (heat: 56)" [High,Triaged] | 13:31 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, i believe there's a mismatch between the GNOME3 PPA and natty with libgirepository-1.0-1 | 13:59 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, it's likely yes | 13:59 |
| bcurtiswx_ | i guess some packages are still looking for the one without the - and the one with the - is trying to replace it | 14:00 |
| seb128 | I will fix that today | 14:00 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing it | 14:00 |
| bcurtiswx_ | yw, i believe (after some tinkering and guessing) it's what stopping me from getting the newest GTK3 to test my empathy build on | 14:01 |
| hggdh | hey folks, I got my nm-applet using 1.3 GB of real memory | 14:23 |
| hggdh | would you like a bug for it? | 14:23 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: I've just upgraded to natty, and when I log in to the unity session, I don't get any indicators...any ideas? | 14:31 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: the indicators is a seperate issue, there was an ABI transition in it. Are they all installed on your system? | 14:32 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: hey work in the classic desktop | 14:32 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: are you up to date with each indicator component? | 14:32 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: I just did a dist-upgrade now | 14:32 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: is the transition finished? ^ | 14:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it should | 14:35 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: hum, you mean, you have all your indicators in the classic desktop and not in unity? | 14:36 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: the top panel is blank? | 14:36 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: yes, the classic desktop has all the indicators. In unity, the top panel is blank, except for the ubuntu menu on the left | 14:36 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: it the unity-panel-service running for you? | 14:37 |
| bcurtiswx_ | mdeslaur, when loading unity i have those warnings that say they want to disable things on the top bar. did you get those and click "don't reload" ? | 14:37 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: yes | 14:37 |
| mdeslaur | bcurtiswx: nope, no warning, nothing | 14:37 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: can you try killing it and restart it, please? | 14:37 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: sure...nothing happened | 14:38 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: here are some logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/543068/ | 14:38 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, dpkg -l | grep indicat | 14:39 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/543070/ | 14:39 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, what architecture do you use? | 14:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm wondering if unity shouldn't be rebuilt for the transition as well? (the service at least) | 14:40 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: amd64 | 14:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, unity was built after the transition, remember I retried on friday | 14:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh you're right, it was delayed on Friday | 14:41 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, if you uninstall indicator-datetime | 14:41 |
| seb128 | does it work? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, indicate-datetime still depwait on geoclue | 14:42 |
| seb128 | can we build without it? | 14:42 |
| didrocks | ok, indicator-datetime should be guilty then | 14:42 |
| mdeslaur | nope, doesn't work even with indicate-datetime uninstalled | 14:43 |
| seb128 | what did you try? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | or "how" did you try | 14:43 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: killing unity-panel-service and restarting it | 14:43 |
| seb128 | can you compiz --replace? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | restarting the service was not enough when I tried earlier | 14:44 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: ah! success :) | 14:44 |
| seb128 | great | 14:44 |
| * mdeslaur now has applets :) | 14:44 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, keeeeeeeeeeeenn | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:44 |
| mdeslaur | euh, indicators | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | hehe... i tested that | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | unity seemed fine without that rebuilt | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | which is confusing... | 14:45 |
| highvoltage | mdeslaur: you don't like indicators!? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, still the current source is depwaiting | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | i know | 14:45 |
| seb128 | can we build without geoclue? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | is that an optional feature? | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | nope | 14:46 |
| seb128 | :-(* | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | we would need to re-upload the old version | 14:46 |
| mdeslaur | highvoltage: of course I do, why wouldn't I like indicators? | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | but... it shouldn't be breaking anything | 14:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, what is blocking promotion? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | did you ping pitti about that on friday? | 14:46 |
| highvoltage | mdeslaur: I don't want to get into that :) | 14:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543068/ | 14:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, that's what mdeslaur had | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | let me look at the bug again, i think they said they wanted security to look | 14:47 |
| mdeslaur | highvoltage: I honestly do like indicators. | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:48 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can we build geoclue without ofono? | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | we would lose a package | 14:48 |
| seb128 | one which is useful? | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | dunno, we would need to check with asac | 14:49 |
| Sarvatt_ | nisshh: save something like this as /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/543076/ | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | i am curious why it is failing for him though | 14:50 |
| cyphermox | does somebody have time to review and sponsor https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/xchat-gnome/update-to-0.26.2+git/+merge/43283 ? | 14:54 |
| cyphermox | seb128, ^ you had asked about updating xchat-gnome to git ;) | 14:55 |
| seb128 | hey cyphermox | 14:56 |
| seb128 | great, I will review and sponsor it | 14:56 |
| cyphermox | thanks | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, unity panel is working for you with the updates right? | 14:56 |
| cyphermox | not sure if you really meant to update it up to git head, but the last commit there seemed useful enough | 14:57 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: I didn't update to the indicator transition | 14:57 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:57 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: look at #ubuntu-devel, seems kirkland has the same issue | 14:57 |
| kenvandine | i tested it all on a pristine box with unity | 14:57 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: and I saw 2 bug reports with people complaining about it | 14:57 |
| didrocks | I was thinking the transition wasn't finished | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | ugh | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | i thought it was | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | my tested had included the updated indicator-datetime, but i reverted it and it still seems fine | 14:58 |
| didrocks | did you restart or logout? | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | restarted | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | a bunch of times now, and it is fine | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | humm... actually, it has unity built from my pbuilder, not the archive | 15:00 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner, seb128: FYI, I created an updated meeting template at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/NewMeetingTemplate | 15:01 |
| ari-tczew | hey folks, I need your help | 15:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 15:02 |
| ari-tczew | look on bug 688926 | 15:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 688926 in unity-place-files (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Update dependencies on zeitgeist-fts-extension (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688926 | 15:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, kenvandine: ok we need to unblock that geoclue build | 15:02 |
| ari-tczew | however, I tried to built on natty chroot and it's FTBFS | 15:02 |
| seb128 | the places need to be updates to the new unity | 15:03 |
| ari-tczew | didrocks: are you familiar with unity packages? | 15:03 |
| seb128 | that's an alpha2 task | 15:03 |
| seb128 | we could probably drop them from now | 15:03 |
| seb128 | or just wait that upstream get them working | 15:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, pitti: unity is broken on current natty | 15:03 |
| ari-tczew | not good, not good :( | 15:04 |
| kenvandine | seb128, hang on... testing something | 15:04 |
| seb128 | what are the option? | 15:04 |
| didrocks | ari-tczew: yes | 15:04 |
| seb128 | if we think ofono and geoclue will be fine can we just promote libgeoclue? | 15:04 |
| didrocks | ari-tczew: the places are for later, right | 15:04 |
| seb128 | to get the new build in, we can sort the mir later | 15:04 |
| kenvandine | ugh, tested with the unity from the archive and the latest built indicator-datetime in natty and it works fine | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, getting it promoted would be good, i am just not sure that is the real problem | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | i really wish we could test unity in a VM... | 15:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, how did you test? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you have any error when running the panel service? | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | not from datetime | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | just one warning | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | ** (unity-panel-service:3977): WARNING **: Unable to find the file menu stock item | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | which happens between loading datetime and libme | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | the error looks more like it is related to DbusmenuClient | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | which comes from libdbusmenu-glib | 15:12 |
| seb128 | weird | 15:13 |
| seb128 | dpkg -l | grep indicator | 15:13 |
| seb128 | can you pastbin that? | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/543084/ | 15:14 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, I don't spot anything obvious | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | yeah, seems sane to me | 15:18 |
| Sarvatt | seb128, pitti: sorry guys, I never got around to making notify-osd to build on natty, the bug I uploaded it to the PPA for was fixing incorrect rendering with newer pixman but newer pixman still isn't passing the test suite on the natty toolchain unless I it's build with -O1 or lower | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | i just ran through and re-installed everything specifying natty | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | to make sure none were locally built | 15:19 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well in any case we need the indicator rebuilt | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | and still works | 15:19 |
| pitti | Sarvatt: ok, so I'll try to fix the build error independently then | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i am re-installing this test box to try to reproduce it | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | this is weird | 15:35 |
| seb128 | what? | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | the unity panel problem | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | i now have no packages locally built and it still works | 15:37 |
| seb128 | you restarted the service and compiz? | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | and rebooted | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | and re-installed all the packages | 15:38 |
| seb128 | ok, so dunno | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | ted had said he didn't think all the indicators would need to be rebuilt, just appmenu-gtk and indicator-appmenu | 15:38 |
| seb128 | do you still have the old libs around? | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | i don't think so... | 15:38 |
| didrocks | well, if fixed it as well for kirkland | 15:39 |
| seb128 | did you see the pastebin before? | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:39 |
| seb128 | it worked for mdeslaur as well | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | so after just rebuilding the appmenu related stuff i still had problems getting the unity panel to load | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | which confused ted | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | so i rebuilt the indicators and that fixed it, which he though was weird | 15:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it was working in indicator-applet for me | 15:39 |
| seb128 | but not in unity | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | but then when indicator-datetime was still held up i downgraded that and unity still worked | 15:40 |
| seb128 | like my gnome-panel had all indicators | 15:40 |
| seb128 | but the unity panel was empty | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | yeah, so unity doesn't seem very robust, if it fails to load any indicator they all fail | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | i'll file a bug about that, if ted didn't already | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | we could just upload indicator-datetime 0.1.90.is.really.0.0.6 | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | the quickest fix | 15:42 |
| seb128 | or promote geoclue | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:46 |
| seb128 | dbarth, ^ | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | i really wish the geoclue code in indicator-datetime was optional | 15:47 |
| kenvandine | but it is not... :/ | 15:47 |
| dbarth | kenvandine: what's the issue, a hard dep on the geoclue lib? | 15:50 |
| kenvandine | kind of | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | deps for geoclue are still be reviewed by the security team | 15:51 |
| seb128 | dbarth, your issue is that indicator-datetime needs a rebuild with the new libdbusmenu | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | and indicator-datetime is breaking unity | 15:51 |
| seb128 | but it can't right now because geoclue and ofono needs to be promoted for that | 15:51 |
| dbarth | does that have anything to do with the new gdbus ports? | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | no | 15:54 |
| bcurtiswx_ | ugh, evince now segfaults on me | 15:55 |
| bcurtiswx_ | (evince:2223): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load type module: (null) | 15:56 |
| bcurtiswx_ | that error repeated along with `menu_proxy_module_load': evince: undefined symbol: menu_proxy_module_load | 15:56 |
| dbarth | kenvandine: so why did that suddenly break? | 15:58 |
| dbarth | what should i do / ask for to unblock that situtation? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | dbusmenu abi changes | 15:58 |
| dbarth | but that's for the new gdbus port then, isn't it? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | no | 15:58 |
| dbarth | how come does the old version suddenly break apis? | 15:59 |
| dbarth | abis? | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | new version, prior to gdbus port | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | 0.3.90 | 15:59 |
| dbarth | oh, when there were not enough funcitons left anymore | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | seems indicator-datetime is keeping unity-panel-service from loading indicators | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | without a rebuild | 15:59 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, is appmenu-gtk installed? | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | seb128, so did indicator-datetime work for you in the classic panel? | 16:01 |
| seb128 | I didn't try | 16:01 |
| dbarth | i removed indicator-datetime here and it doesn't solve the problem | 16:01 |
| seb128 | in fact my issue was that appmenu-gtk was not updated | 16:01 |
| seb128 | dbarth, did you restart the service and compiz? | 16:01 |
| dbarth | but it was working when i was using gnome-panel earlier today | 16:01 |
| seb128 | dbarth, compiz --replace | 16:01 |
| dbarth | that said, i've kept most packages from alpha-1 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it just means unity is not robust to buggy indicator | 16:02 |
| seb128 | dbarth, you need to update indicator-* | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i am just wondering if it works in indicator-applet | 16:02 |
| seb128 | dbarth, sudo apt-get remove libdbusmenu-glib | 16:02 |
| seb128 | dbarth, sudo apt-get remove libdbusmenu-glib1 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | dbarth, don't do it but it will give you a list ;-) | 16:02 |
| dbarth | ahah | 16:03 |
| kenvandine | you should be able to leave libdbusmenu-glib1 | 16:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you can't remove it | 16:03 |
| dbarth | oops | 16:03 |
| dbarth | i see | 16:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, evolution-indicator and xchat-indicator will need a rebuild | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:04 |
| dbarth | but so again, explain me why an abi change from maverick is breaking packages *now*? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | dbarth, the abi change landed friday | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | not maverick | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | thursday :) | 16:04 |
| dbarth | hmm | 16:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no, it was in NEW thursday :p | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | well, builds landed | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | friday | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | right | 16:05 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, yes | 16:05 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | ugh... now i can't do a fresh install | 16:05 |
| dbarth | hmm, let's switch to #ayatana to see with tedg | 16:05 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, you can unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY | 16:05 |
| seb128 | it's a workaround though | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | dbarth, he is gone until jan | 16:06 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, yes, doesn't stop the segfault though :( i think it will all be fixed once apt lets me upgrade to GTK 2.91.6 | 16:07 |
| bcurtiswx_ | if I have an app that deps on telepathy-python and that was just renamed to python-telepathy, will it still build or fail due to the name change | 16:09 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, it will likely needs to be rebuilt with a change | 16:09 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, OK thats telepathy-butterfly that i'm talking about.. right now it's synced so should It get that fix and an 0ubuntu1 tag ? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | what issue do you have? | 16:10 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you have a branch for unity-asset-pool that is derived from ~unity-team/unity-asset-pool/packaging that I can push to ~ubuntu-destop ? | 16:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: I pushed to lp:ubuntu/unity-asset-pool | 16:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: I thought we wanted to move to that one? | 16:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, as said it's a bit harder than that | 16:11 |
| seb128 | we need james_w | 16:11 |
| bcurtiswx_ | butterfly is at 0.5.14-1 in natty and upstream its 0.5.15 but it depends on telepathy-butterfly (so by what you said, I'll assume it would fail build) | 16:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: if not, I can apply the changes to the old branch, too | 16:11 |
| bcurtiswx_ | eek | 16:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, we don't want to use the autoimport vcs since they don't derivate from the upstream vcs | 16:12 |
| bcurtiswx_ | telepathy-python ** | 16:12 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I see; the old problem | 16:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, ie you can't bzr merge a revision | 16:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, it doesn't work with the merge-upstream workflow :) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, so we want ~unity-team/unity-asset-pool/packaging to become the lp:ubuntu one | 16:12 |
| seb128 | which james_w can do | 16:12 |
| didrocks | so, I'm pushing everything to ~ubuntu-desktop now | 16:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 16:12 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, so want me to apply my commits to that new branch? | 16:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: if you don't have that, I can reproduce your commits in the old branch, no worry | 16:13 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, doesn't seem that anybody changed the naming there? | 16:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: no worry, it was just in case you had it, will reproduce that then :) | 16:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, thanks; I'm sorry for the misunderstanding; otherwise I had used that one right away | 16:13 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, can you ask on #telepathy if anybody plans to update to 0.5.15 in debian | 16:13 |
| bcurtiswx_ | yes, will do | 16:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: no worry :) thanks a lot :) | 16:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60583271/unity-asset-pool_0.8.18-0ubuntu1_0.8.18-0ubuntu2.diff.gz ? | 16:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: (the individual commits weren't that interesting, taking the full diff will do fine) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, will do that then. Thanks! | 16:14 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, nvm about that, we do things right. It's more me not knowing this yet. | 16:23 |
| bdrung | i have installed date-time idicator in my natty VM, but it isn't shown | 16:28 |
| bdrung | (using the classic gnome desktop) | 16:28 |
| pitti | bdrung: I don't know, but my gut feeling is that it hides itself on gnome-panel, as this has its own clock | 16:29 |
| bdrung | pitti: is there a way to enable it? | 16:30 |
| pitti | I don't know | 16:30 |
| seb128 | no, it's just that it needs a rebuild | 16:30 |
| seb128 | which is blocked on geoclue | 16:30 |
| seb128 | indicator-applet "handles" that by not showing the indicator | 16:31 |
| seb128 | where unity breaks | 16:31 |
| bdrung | my second issue is that the indicator-applet isn't shown (only one pixel white vertical line on the panel) after the recent update. only the session indicator-applet is shown. | 16:33 |
| jcastro | bdrung: that happened to me today too | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | seb128, didrocks: a fresh install from today's live image works | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | unity-panel that is | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | it must be a lib | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, can you give me a dpkg -l | 16:41 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: hum, I'm not up-to-date here | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | humm | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:41 |
| didrocks | I didn't go through the indicator transition yet | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | seb128, are you up-to-date now? | 16:41 |
| * kenvandine checks with kirkland | 16:42 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well indicators wise yes | 16:42 |
| seb128 | but I've some hundred other updates pending | 16:42 |
| kenvandine | how about dbusmenu and libindicate? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543126/ | 16:45 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, telepathy-glib is in experimental | 16:46 |
| mpt | mvo, here's another report of the "ValueError: unknown locale: en_NG" in USC. <http://openubuntu.com/index.php/topic,269.msg29120.html> | 16:50 |
| Ng | mpt: it's awful that my locale doesn't exist! | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | seb128, in comparing the fresh install and kirkland's list, the only thing that differs is really the -dev packages | 16:55 |
| mpt | Ng, almost as awful as overeager nick highlighting | 16:55 |
| Ng | mpt: indeed! | 16:56 |
| mpt | (I'm glad there has been little activity on the MPT-Fusion driver front lately) | 16:57 |
| mpt | mvo, tremolux: I forgot to mention: Right now I'm sketching out different possibilities for bug 670403, so I'll have something for you and the Unity developers to discuss in the next few days. | 16:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 670403 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Recently installed applications should be easy to run (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 22)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670403 | 16:58 |
| tremolux | mpt: ah, nice! thanks | 16:59 |
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| jcastro | kenvandine: I have no issues/agenda items for your meeting today | 17:05 |
| kenvandine | thx | 17:05 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, this is not nice - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/15 ;) | 17:13 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: hey | 17:18 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: looking at your xchat work. NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh; <- you will need automake and such in the builder chroot in that case | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | seb128, indicator-datetime uploaded, but it broke for people upgrading but not on a clean install/live session | 17:19 |
| kenvandine | but i am grabbing some food now... bbl :) | 17:19 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: you should use autoreconf and dh-autoreconf rather | 17:19 |
| didrocks | see you kenvandine | 17:19 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, enjoy | 17:19 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you figure why it broke? | 17:20 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, emerillon needs to be update to use the new libchamplain | 17:20 |
| seb128 | updated, or patched or something ;-) | 17:21 |
| seb128 | I'm pinging you because apparently you maintain it in debian as well | 17:21 |
| cyphermox | didrocks, yeah, I just added it, it was missing :) | 17:22 |
| cyphermox | ah wait, no that was another branch | 17:22 |
| cyphermox | didrocks, thanks for the hints | 17:23 |
| cyphermox | seb128, yup | 17:23 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: you're welcome :) | 17:24 |
| cyphermox | I'll look at both these when I come back from lunch :) | 17:24 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: enjoy ! | 17:25 |
| cyphermox | bbl | 17:26 |
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| mpt | Hi and471 | 17:59 |
| and471 | hey mpt | 17:59 |
| and471 | mpt, sorry my connection went, flaky wifi... | 18:01 |
| bcurtiswx | <-- mpt has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) and471 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | 18:01 |
| and471 | haha | 18:02 |
| and471 | guess we are on the same crappy wavelength :D | 18:02 |
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| and471 | bcurtiswx, I guess mpt gave up on me :) | 18:17 |
| bcurtiswx | and471, haha | 18:20 |
| bcurtiswx | maybe more serious connection issues :P | 18:20 |
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| highvoltage | hi, has anyone from the desktop team had time to look at bug 683833? | 19:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 683833 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Unity should be in recommends, not depends for ubuntu-desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 469)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683833 | 19:35 |
| bcurtiswx | hmm, no unity | 21:16 |
| bcurtiswx | i workarounded a unset ubuntu_menuproxy could that be the reason unity isn't showing any more? | 21:17 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, is unity-panel-service a program? i dont see it at all | 21:32 |
| kenvandine | in /usr/lib/unity/ | 21:32 |
| kenvandine | it is a service | 21:33 |
| bcurtiswx | its not working on my comp :-\. what should I do to debug ? | 21:33 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, (unity-panel-service:2026): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-CRITICAL **: dbusmenu_menuitem_get_id: assertion `DBUSMENU_IS_MENUITEM(mi)' failed | 21:37 |
| kenvandine | what's not working? | 21:39 |
| bcurtiswx | any part of unity | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | killall unity-panel-service; /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service& | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | see what it spits out on the console | 21:40 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543300/ | 21:42 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, and are you seeing a panel at all? | 21:44 |
| kenvandine | just empty? | 21:44 |
| bcurtiswx | nothing | 21:44 |
| kenvandine | so no panel at all? | 21:44 |
| bcurtiswx | none | 21:44 |
| kenvandine | but unity is running? you see the launcher? | 21:45 |
| bcurtiswx | no launcher | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | ah... so unity is probably not running | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | is compiz running? | 21:45 |
| bcurtiswx | yes | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | hey rickspencer3! | 21:45 |
| rickspencer3 | hey kenvandine | 21:45 |
| rickspencer3 | how is life? | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, do you have window decorations? | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: can't complain, and you? | 21:46 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, yes | 21:46 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, pretty jet laggy, but going well | 21:46 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: hehe :) | 21:46 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm taking today off and working on the developers' manual | 21:46 |
| kenvandine | woot | 21:46 |
| rickspencer3 | I've knocked off 3 chapter drafts already | 21:46 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, and your sure the unity plugin is loaded? | 21:46 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, how could I verify? | 21:47 |
| kenvandine | look in ccsm i guess | 21:47 |
| kenvandine | or in .xsession-errors maybe | 21:47 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, ah. got it.. i know what happened | 21:48 |
| bcurtiswx | i had disabled the plugin, found out unity was running still on reboots so i kept it off | 21:49 |
| kenvandine | :) | 21:49 |
| bcurtiswx | todays updates must have noticed the plugin was off and acted correctly | 21:49 |
| bcurtiswx | so does this mean i hate when things run the way they're supposed to? | 21:49 |
| kenvandine | :) | 21:50 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, so did enabling that fix it? | 21:50 |
| bcurtiswx | robert_ancell, hey :) got a min? | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | bcurtiswx, sure | 22:05 |
| bcurtiswx | I noticed you opened a bug for empathy 2.91.3, idk what you've gotten done (maybe as much as I) but I had been working on https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.3 for a bit.. | 22:06 |
| bcurtiswx | robert_ancell, ^^ | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | bcurtiswx, oh, np. I'll leave it for you | 22:10 |
| robert_ancell | bcurtiswx, I'm looking here (http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html) to see what still needs updating - if you're working on something open a bug report and add the tag "desktop-upgrade" and it will show up on this page | 22:11 |
| bcurtiswx | robert_ancell, ah, OK. I will assign myself to that bug report. Thanks for starting it. Sorry for not following that | 22:12 |
| robert_ancell | bcurtiswx, it's not well documented :( Thanks though! | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, no tedg today? i could do with him taking a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/dbusmenu/ffox-fixes :) | 23:11 |
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| bcurtiswx | chrisccoulson, i was told hes out this week | 23:26 |
| * micahg thought he was off until the EOY | 23:26 | |
| chrisccoulson | bcurtiswx, that's a shame, i wanted to get the ffox global menu stuff in before christmas ;) | 23:26 |
| bcurtiswx | could be EOY too | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it is EOY | 23:29 |
| chrisccoulson | which is probably what i should be doing ;) | 23:29 |
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