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Ddorda‎good night ppl :)00:20
dmcglonepaultag: you in here?02:10
paultagdmcglone: I'm in here, yeah02:10
dmcgloneis the Ubuntu channel down? I can't seem to join02:10
paultagdmcglone: -us-oh ?02:10
paultagdmcglone: which one?02:10
dmcgloneJoining #ubuntu-oh requires an invitation.02:10
paultagdmcglone: -us-oh02:11
dmcglonethat was weird02:11
dmcgloneafter all this time, it finally crapped out with that setting02:11
paultagdmcglone: :)02:11
dmcglonewow02:12
paultagI'm not sure what ubuntu-oh is02:12
paultagbut it's not us-oh, and it's not a country02:12
dmcgloneI've been using ubuntu-oh for a long time02:13
paultagodd02:13
dmcgloneyeah02:13
paultagmight be on forward02:13
paultagfreenode was having issues today02:13
dmcgloneI see02:13
dmcgloneso thats probably why02:13
paultag02:13 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder    : stalcup02:13
paultagdmcglone: yeah, it's on forward. That's vorian 02:13
paultag02:13 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Mode lock  : +if #ubuntu-ohio02:14
dmcglonehuh02:14
paultagwhoh02:14
paultagubuntu-ohio is wrong too02:14
paultagwtf is going on there02:14
dmcglonelol02:14
paultagAhhha02:14
dmcgloneno idea dude, your the computer genius you tell me.. LOL02:14
paultagthat was Jacob, forward data:02:14
paultag02:14 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Mode lock  : +insf #ubuntu-us-oh02:14
paultaggotcha.02:14
dmcglonelol02:14
paultagdmcglone: so your join to ubuntu-oh --> ubuntu-ohio --> ubuntu-us-oh02:15
paultagdoh ;)02:15
dmcgloneAh why does everything always have to be so complicated ;-)02:15
paultagdmcglone: it's not!02:15
dmcgloneah maybe for you, but an old geezer like me it is.. ;-)02:16
dmcgloneyour studying computer science correct?02:16
paultagdmcglone: yessir02:17
paultagdmcglone: last semester in a month02:17
dmcgloneis computer science as complicated as they let it on to be02:17
paultagdmcglone: it can be ;)02:17
paultagdmcglone: i'm trying to make it easy with my blog posts02:18
dmcglonewhat do you learn that one couldn't learn on their own?02:18
paultagjust wrote this one -- http://blog.pault.ag/post/2175430707/the-rsa-algorithm-humanized-sorta02:18
paultagdmcglone: we learn stuff that's very hard to learn on your own. Computer Science != Programming02:18
paultagdmcglone: CS is the study of how computers work, on a theoretical level, and how to best use them02:18
paultagdmcglone: programming is the use of that. It's like a chemist vs a baker who uses their stuff02:19
dmcglonedoes it differ very much from electronic engineering?02:19
paultagdmcglone: yes, EE is a lot more detailed, and more like practical physycs. CS is abstract and more philosiphy02:19
paultagdmcglone: you can be a great programmer without knowing any computer science, just as you can be a cs rockstar and not know how to code02:20
paultagbut it helps ;)02:20
dmcgloneI see, because I took EE at Devry but still have 3 quarters to go :-/02:21
paultaggood luck!02:21
dmcgloneI haven't decided whether I'm going to go back though02:21
paultagmm.02:22
dmcgloneI haven't been back to college since 1994 :-/02:22
paultagaye02:22
dmcgloneI was thinking the other day whether I should go back or not, but I can't decide whether I should go back into EE or take CS02:23
paultagdmcglone: only you can decide :)02:23
paultagdmcglone: do you like math or math?02:23
dmcgloneit's not my favorite, but I am good with it, because of my EE02:23
paultagthen yes :)02:23
dmcgloneI had to learn EE mathmetics02:24
paultagaye02:24
dmcglonereading resistors etc. etc02:24
paultagI have a little thing from radio shack that lets me spin the colors02:24
paultagI can't remember what order they're in02:24
dmcgloneI swear them color bands can be a pain in the butt sometimes02:24
dmcglonelol02:24
dmcgloneexactly02:25
dmcgloneyou took the words right out of my mouth02:25
dmcgloneI couldn't tell you either it's been so long02:25
paultagyeah, so I mean, if you're good at math and logic the only answer to EE or CS I can give is yes02:26
dmcgloneI'm more interested in programming and working with them, not building them or fixing them02:27
paultagyou can learn to program without Uni. CS is a theoretical degree02:27
dmcgloneback when I was in college they didn't have CS02:27
paultago.O02:27
paultagit's an old field02:27
paultagnot in the grand scheme of things02:27
dmcgloneyou mean CS?02:28
paultagbut any time after the 70's, they had plenty02:28
paultagyeah02:28
dmcgloneDevry must have not offered it02:28
paultagah02:28
paultaghell, ada lovelace mang02:28
paultagso, 1850's02:28
dmcglonewoah02:29
paultagdmcglone: she was the first computer programmer02:29
dmcgloneyeah, but I thought that fell more into the EE category02:30
dmcgloneback then that is02:30
dmcglonebecause back then, they were just starting out and I would believe the focus would be more on the engineering of the machine02:30
paultagdmcglone: electricity was not common back then02:30
paultagdmcglone: you can program a physical computer02:31
paultagdmcglone: remember, CS is the theory of this stuff. Don't matter if it's quarks, electrons or physical rods02:31
dmcgloneok yeah thats right02:32
paultagdmcglone: I'll catch you in a few. I'm going to get back to this paper of mine02:32
paultagdmcglone: much love!02:32
dmcgloneOk thanks for the help02:33
paultagsure sure02:33
dmcgloneI appreciate it02:33
paultagnp man02:33
dmcglonehave a good one02:33
paultagback atcha02:33
vorianpaultag: all those extra was a load of crap from the ubuntu-irc council not being able to choose the proper naming04:34
nhandlervorian: LoCo naming standard is a LoCo Council issue (that I thought was finally getting sorted out this cycle)04:46
voriannhandler: this was like 2/3 years ago04:54
YoBoYgood morning06:31
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paultagvorian: aye, it's ubuntu-ISO_CODE*, and for subteams, it's -SHORT_ID* ( so they can have subteams )07:14
paultagvorian: it makes it easy to parse ( and looks good )07:14
paultagonly issue is with stuff like ubuntu-qa07:14
dholbachgood morning!07:37
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dholbachmhall119, heya - how's the ubuntu base app coming on? :)11:11
cjohnstonmornin12:01
mhall119dholbach: you know, I still don't have a project name for it yet ;(12:26
nigelbMorning cjohnston, mhall119 :)12:27
mhall119morning nigelb 12:27
cjohnstoncan someone review my merge proposals today  if they get some time please12:31
mhall119dholbach: the past couple weeks I've been working on https://launchpad.net/xdg-launcher12:33
nigelbmhall119: If I asked you to kick cjohnston for me, would you be kind enough to do so? ;)12:36
dholbachmhall119, ubuntu-django-foundations?12:39
cjohnstonits not worth if mhall119 12:40
dholbachI know it'S boring, but it's a better start than nothing :)12:40
dholbachmhall119, wow, you're working on a lot of different projects :)12:40
mhall119dholbach: I know, I'm scattered12:51
mhall119xdg-launcher is actually being made for Qimo though12:51
mhall119I just figured I'd make it generic enough for other uses12:51
mhall119it's also a good intro into pygtk for me12:52
dakermhall119, it would good if it can autohide12:57
mhall119daker: file a bug ;)12:59
dakerwoot12:59
cjohnstonI'll file you a bunch of bugs13:00
cjohnstonlol13:00
mhall119I've already filed myself a bunch of bugs13:01
cjohnstonspam alert13:02
mhall119alright guys: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-django-foundations13:04
mhall119I made the 3 of you admins too13:05
dakeryay13:07
mhall119daker: :P13:26
dakermhall119, if you try to disable the "Games" menu you will get an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/543061/14:11
dakermhall119, i am trying to fix bug 68839014:40
ubot4Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68839014:40
dakermhall119, i am all most done with bug bug 68839016:18
dakerbug 68839016:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68839016:18
mhall119daker: if you use the xdg-launcher script, it should warn you about not providing a menu17:43
mhall119daker: really? awesome17:43
dakermhall119, bug 68839017:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68839017:44
dakerthere is a branch linked there17:44
mhall119daker: does that just rebuild the menu every x seconds?17:46
dakermhall119, no it rebuild the menu when there is a change17:46
dakermhall119, menu.add_monitor(self.menu_changed_cb, launchers)17:47
mhall119oh cool, so that's part of gmenu then?17:47
dakeryes17:48
dakerso when there is a change i rebuild the menu17:49
mhall119awesome man! thanks17:50
dakeryw17:50
mhall119daker: this rocks!19:07
mhall119is it ready to merge?19:07
dakermhall119, i don't know :)19:08
dakeri'll propose it for merge19:09
mhall119I'm happy with it, so unless there's more you're working on for that bug, I'd like to merge it19:09
dakerjust wait i think i need to fix something19:10
mhall119what?19:10
mhall119I made a change to yours already, to make it re-calculate the bar width when rebuilding19:10
dakermhall119, ah that's it19:11
dakerso it ok19:11
dakerit's*19:11
mhall119cool, merging it now19:11
dakermerge it19:11
mhall119done and released 0.0.4, thanks again19:21
dakermhall119, what should XDG launcher do in addition to what we have ?19:21
daker\o/19:21
mhall119that's really all I *needed* it to do for Qimo19:21
mhall119doing dock-style window switching would be a bonus19:22
mhall119but I don't want it to be a tasklist19:22
mhall119I was thinking having a submenu entries present as actual menus in the launcher19:23

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