[00:20] <Ddorda> ‎good night ppl :)
[02:10] <dmcglone> paultag: you in here?
[02:10] <paultag> dmcglone: I'm in here, yeah
[02:10] <dmcglone> is the Ubuntu channel down? I can't seem to join
[02:10] <paultag> dmcglone: -us-oh ?
[02:10] <paultag> dmcglone: which one?
[02:10] <dmcglone> Joining #ubuntu-oh requires an invitation.
[02:11] <paultag> dmcglone: -us-oh
[02:11] <dmcglone> that was weird
[02:11] <dmcglone> after all this time, it finally crapped out with that setting
[02:11] <paultag> dmcglone: :)
[02:12] <dmcglone> wow
[02:12] <paultag> I'm not sure what ubuntu-oh is
[02:12] <paultag> but it's not us-oh, and it's not a country
[02:13] <dmcglone> I've been using ubuntu-oh for a long time
[02:13] <paultag> odd
[02:13] <dmcglone> yeah
[02:13] <paultag> might be on forward
[02:13] <paultag> freenode was having issues today
[02:13] <dmcglone> I see
[02:13] <dmcglone> so thats probably why
[02:13] <paultag> 02:13 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder    : stalcup
[02:13] <paultag> dmcglone: yeah, it's on forward. That's vorian 
[02:14] <paultag> 02:13 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Mode lock  : +if #ubuntu-ohio
[02:14] <dmcglone> huh
[02:14] <paultag> whoh
[02:14] <paultag> ubuntu-ohio is wrong too
[02:14] <paultag> wtf is going on there
[02:14] <dmcglone> lol
[02:14] <paultag> Ahhha
[02:14] <dmcglone> no idea dude, your the computer genius you tell me.. LOL
[02:14] <paultag> that was Jacob, forward data:
[02:14] <paultag> 02:14 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Mode lock  : +insf #ubuntu-us-oh
[02:14] <paultag> gotcha.
[02:14] <dmcglone> lol
[02:15] <paultag> dmcglone: so your join to ubuntu-oh --> ubuntu-ohio --> ubuntu-us-oh
[02:15] <paultag> doh ;)
[02:15] <dmcglone> Ah why does everything always have to be so complicated ;-)
[02:15] <paultag> dmcglone: it's not!
[02:16] <dmcglone> ah maybe for you, but an old geezer like me it is.. ;-)
[02:16] <dmcglone> your studying computer science correct?
[02:17] <paultag> dmcglone: yessir
[02:17] <paultag> dmcglone: last semester in a month
[02:17] <dmcglone> is computer science as complicated as they let it on to be
[02:17] <paultag> dmcglone: it can be ;)
[02:18] <paultag> dmcglone: i'm trying to make it easy with my blog posts
[02:18] <dmcglone> what do you learn that one couldn't learn on their own?
[02:18] <paultag> just wrote this one -- http://blog.pault.ag/post/2175430707/the-rsa-algorithm-humanized-sorta
[02:18] <paultag> dmcglone: we learn stuff that's very hard to learn on your own. Computer Science != Programming
[02:18] <paultag> dmcglone: CS is the study of how computers work, on a theoretical level, and how to best use them
[02:19] <paultag> dmcglone: programming is the use of that. It's like a chemist vs a baker who uses their stuff
[02:19] <dmcglone> does it differ very much from electronic engineering?
[02:19] <paultag> dmcglone: yes, EE is a lot more detailed, and more like practical physycs. CS is abstract and more philosiphy
[02:20] <paultag> dmcglone: you can be a great programmer without knowing any computer science, just as you can be a cs rockstar and not know how to code
[02:20] <paultag> but it helps ;)
[02:21] <dmcglone> I see, because I took EE at Devry but still have 3 quarters to go :-/
[02:21] <paultag> good luck!
[02:21] <dmcglone> I haven't decided whether I'm going to go back though
[02:22] <paultag> mm.
[02:22] <dmcglone> I haven't been back to college since 1994 :-/
[02:22] <paultag> aye
[02:23] <dmcglone> I was thinking the other day whether I should go back or not, but I can't decide whether I should go back into EE or take CS
[02:23] <paultag> dmcglone: only you can decide :)
[02:23] <paultag> dmcglone: do you like math or math?
[02:23] <dmcglone> it's not my favorite, but I am good with it, because of my EE
[02:23] <paultag> then yes :)
[02:24] <dmcglone> I had to learn EE mathmetics
[02:24] <paultag> aye
[02:24] <dmcglone> reading resistors etc. etc
[02:24] <paultag> I have a little thing from radio shack that lets me spin the colors
[02:24] <paultag> I can't remember what order they're in
[02:24] <dmcglone> I swear them color bands can be a pain in the butt sometimes
[02:24] <dmcglone> lol
[02:25] <dmcglone> exactly
[02:25] <dmcglone> you took the words right out of my mouth
[02:25] <dmcglone> I couldn't tell you either it's been so long
[02:26] <paultag> yeah, so I mean, if you're good at math and logic the only answer to EE or CS I can give is yes
[02:27] <dmcglone> I'm more interested in programming and working with them, not building them or fixing them
[02:27] <paultag> you can learn to program without Uni. CS is a theoretical degree
[02:27] <dmcglone> back when I was in college they didn't have CS
[02:27] <paultag> o.O
[02:27] <paultag> it's an old field
[02:27] <paultag> not in the grand scheme of things
[02:28] <dmcglone> you mean CS?
[02:28] <paultag> but any time after the 70's, they had plenty
[02:28] <paultag> yeah
[02:28] <dmcglone> Devry must have not offered it
[02:28] <paultag> ah
[02:28] <paultag> hell, ada lovelace mang
[02:28] <paultag> so, 1850's
[02:29] <dmcglone> woah
[02:29] <paultag> dmcglone: she was the first computer programmer
[02:30] <dmcglone> yeah, but I thought that fell more into the EE category
[02:30] <dmcglone> back then that is
[02:30] <dmcglone> because back then, they were just starting out and I would believe the focus would be more on the engineering of the machine
[02:30] <paultag> dmcglone: electricity was not common back then
[02:31] <paultag> dmcglone: you can program a physical computer
[02:31] <paultag> dmcglone: remember, CS is the theory of this stuff. Don't matter if it's quarks, electrons or physical rods
[02:32] <dmcglone> ok yeah thats right
[02:32] <paultag> dmcglone: I'll catch you in a few. I'm going to get back to this paper of mine
[02:32] <paultag> dmcglone: much love!
[02:33] <dmcglone> Ok thanks for the help
[02:33] <paultag> sure sure
[02:33] <dmcglone> I appreciate it
[02:33] <paultag> np man
[02:33] <dmcglone> have a good one
[02:33] <paultag> back atcha
[04:34] <vorian> paultag: all those extra was a load of crap from the ubuntu-irc council not being able to choose the proper naming
[04:46] <nhandler> vorian: LoCo naming standard is a LoCo Council issue (that I thought was finally getting sorted out this cycle)
[04:54] <vorian> nhandler: this was like 2/3 years ago
[06:31] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:14] <paultag> vorian: aye, it's ubuntu-ISO_CODE*, and for subteams, it's -SHORT_ID* ( so they can have subteams )
[07:14] <paultag> vorian: it makes it easy to parse ( and looks good )
[07:14] <paultag> only issue is with stuff like ubuntu-qa
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning!
[11:11] <dholbach> mhall119, heya - how's the ubuntu base app coming on? :)
[12:01] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:26] <mhall119> dholbach: you know, I still don't have a project name for it yet ;(
[12:27] <nigelb> Morning cjohnston, mhall119 :)
[12:27] <mhall119> morning nigelb 
[12:31] <cjohnston> can someone review my merge proposals today  if they get some time please
[12:33] <mhall119> dholbach: the past couple weeks I've been working on https://launchpad.net/xdg-launcher
[12:36] <nigelb> mhall119: If I asked you to kick cjohnston for me, would you be kind enough to do so? ;)
[12:39] <dholbach> mhall119, ubuntu-django-foundations?
[12:40] <cjohnston> its not worth if mhall119 
[12:40] <dholbach> I know it'S boring, but it's a better start than nothing :)
[12:40] <dholbach> mhall119, wow, you're working on a lot of different projects :)
[12:51] <mhall119> dholbach: I know, I'm scattered
[12:51] <mhall119> xdg-launcher is actually being made for Qimo though
[12:51] <mhall119> I just figured I'd make it generic enough for other uses
[12:52] <mhall119> it's also a good intro into pygtk for me
[12:57] <daker> mhall119, it would good if it can autohide
[12:59] <mhall119> daker: file a bug ;)
[12:59] <daker> woot
[13:00] <cjohnston> I'll file you a bunch of bugs
[13:00] <cjohnston> lol
[13:01] <mhall119> I've already filed myself a bunch of bugs
[13:02] <cjohnston> spam alert
[13:04] <mhall119> alright guys: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-django-foundations
[13:05] <mhall119> I made the 3 of you admins too
[13:07] <daker> yay
[13:26] <mhall119> daker: :P
[14:11] <daker> mhall119, if you try to disable the "Games" menu you will get an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/543061/
[14:40] <daker> mhall119, i am trying to fix bug 688390
[14:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688390
[16:18] <daker> mhall119, i am all most done with bug bug 688390
[16:18] <daker> bug 688390
[16:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688390
[17:43] <mhall119> daker: if you use the xdg-launcher script, it should warn you about not providing a menu
[17:43] <mhall119> daker: really? awesome
[17:43] <daker> mhall119, bug 688390
[17:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 688390 in xdg-launcher "Refresh on menu changes (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688390
[17:44] <daker> there is a branch linked there
[17:46] <mhall119> daker: does that just rebuild the menu every x seconds?
[17:46] <daker> mhall119, no it rebuild the menu when there is a change
[17:47] <daker> mhall119, menu.add_monitor(self.menu_changed_cb, launchers)
[17:47] <mhall119> oh cool, so that's part of gmenu then?
[17:48] <daker> yes
[17:49] <daker> so when there is a change i rebuild the menu
[17:50] <mhall119> awesome man! thanks
[17:50] <daker> yw
[19:07] <mhall119> daker: this rocks!
[19:07] <mhall119> is it ready to merge?
[19:08] <daker> mhall119, i don't know :)
[19:09] <daker> i'll propose it for merge
[19:09] <mhall119> I'm happy with it, so unless there's more you're working on for that bug, I'd like to merge it
[19:10] <daker> just wait i think i need to fix something
[19:10] <mhall119> what?
[19:10] <mhall119> I made a change to yours already, to make it re-calculate the bar width when rebuilding
[19:11] <daker> mhall119, ah that's it
[19:11] <daker> so it ok
[19:11] <daker> it's*
[19:11] <mhall119> cool, merging it now
[19:11] <daker> merge it
[19:21] <mhall119> done and released 0.0.4, thanks again
[19:21] <daker> mhall119, what should XDG launcher do in addition to what we have ?
[19:21] <daker> \o/
[19:21] <mhall119> that's really all I *needed* it to do for Qimo
[19:22] <mhall119> doing dock-style window switching would be a bonus
[19:22] <mhall119> but I don't want it to be a tasklist
[19:23] <mhall119> I was thinking having a submenu entries present as actual menus in the launcher