[00:14] Yay exploding modems! [02:12] dmcglone: wb ;) [02:12] Hello paultag and dmcglone [02:13] howdy Unit1931 [02:16] howdy Unit193 [02:20] dmcglone: Linux working better for you today? [02:34] Unit1931 No comment... LOL [02:35] I haven't used it much except to read, read and read more and more about Assange and wikileaks [02:35] lol [02:36] this darn thing has got me so curious [02:36] I'm not really looking into that... (I'll not get into fights like you did :D) [02:37] LOL I didn't get into a fight, they drug me into their debate. All I did was ask questions and I ended up under fire [02:37] That be what I'm talking about [02:37] I don't care what Assange does. I just darn curious whats gonna happen [02:38] I read a lot of wikileaks pages today and news articles and everything I can to get a grasp on what all this hype is about [02:39] This morning there was a comp that wouldn't boot so I used an old Feisty Kubuntu CD (mostly worked too) [02:40] did it live up to the hype???? haha [02:40] kubuntu? Ubuntu? Hmmmm [02:40] I needed audacity on it.... so the thing wasn't recorded [02:40] is there a happy medium? [02:41] audacity is one awesome app [02:41] I have no idea... I sorta want Gnome.... but I want K3B and some others... [02:42] I really like the beta (audacity) [02:42] I use k3b on my gnome [02:42] and audacity is a gnome app anyway [02:42] I also use Kontact and kate [02:42] heck most of my apps are KDE, but I run Gnome desktop [02:43] Scite is kinda like N++ so I somtimes use that [02:43] I haven't heard of Scite yet [02:44] It's not bad... [02:45] On the Lubuntu compy I have a small wine CallerID program on startup :) [02:46] do you have to have caller ID on the phone activated? [02:46] Yes! or it would be useless [02:47] lol just making sure there wasn't some type of hack I was missing [02:47] * canthus13 wonders what humans paultag hangs out with to consider that RSA post 'humanized'. :) [02:48] canthus13: we are human remember :-) [02:48] dmcglone: I checked with a serial connection and the real number doesn't come in on private callers [02:49] dmcglone: Did you read his RSA post? [02:49] isn't that why they are private? LOL [02:49] Unit1931: Talking to me? [02:49] on his blog? yeah he showed it to me a few minutes ago [02:49] canthus13: Should I? [02:49] I was the one talking about CID the other day. [02:50] dmcglone: That thing made my eyeballs all twisty inside my head. [02:50] LOL [02:50] canthus13: Have you ever been able to get CID without it activated? or get private #? [02:50] made my asshole pucker.. ;-) [02:51] Unit1931: I know the data is there. [02:52] it's probably scrambled [02:52] Like eggs? [02:52] Heh. [02:53] The easiest way to get at blocked ID is to have it sent to an 800 number. ANI takes care of the rest. [02:53] now I'm hungary, thanks man [02:53] lol [02:53] So am I! [02:54] I can't remember what ANI is [02:54] auto number id [02:54] Automagic Number Identification [02:54] I think [02:54] Oh [02:54] eggs anyone? [02:54] ;-) [02:56] Too lazy to change irssi config at this time... using finch! (canthus13 screen is very cool) [03:02] :) [03:04] canthus13: what is mind boggling about paultags post? [03:06] dmcglone: The whole thing. I suck at higher math. [03:07] Oh [03:07] * canthus13 barely passed algebra 2. [03:07] I took Electronics math, it's very similar to what he's got [03:08] the modular stuff always throws [03:08] me. [03:08] how deejoe? [03:09] is it the process it's done? [03:09] mostly the notation [03:10] The basic operation of modular division seems simple enough [03:10] order of operations [03:10] huh? [03:10] it's always parenthesis, multiplication, devision, addition subtraction [03:11] that's not the part that hangs me [03:11] dmcglone: you forgot exponent. [03:12] oops [03:12] heh. [03:13] math isn't hard if you don't let it intimidate you [03:19] Did anyone seen the article on linuxjournal.com about Ubuntu going rolling release? [03:19] see [03:21] no. [03:22] Bios would know tons more... [03:26] going is a bit strong (http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opensuse-and-ubuntu-rollercoasters) [03:27] there was some posting about that, but then it was denounced, dunno if it has since gained more credibility [03:28] also, I would suggest you guys take a minute and either read or watch this: http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/12/my-liberation-as-man-is-tied-to-your.html [03:28] it's really powerful [03:28] and not that I think you guys are uncivilized brutes ;) but it's still good [03:28] I'm always the last to know Linux stuff... [03:29] get some stuff in your google reader feed! if you don't have one, get one! [03:29] Unit1931 probably because you to pay as much attention as some of us [03:29] Cheri703: You don't? We should try harder. [03:29] well, not as much as some of what is mentioned in that post [03:31] * canthus13 tells his oldest to 'Man up' all the time. [03:31] dmcglone: I'm mostly just a user (I do use SSH and CLI am I special) [03:31] To be fair, though< I'd prolly tell a girl to do the same. :) [03:35] Unit1931 we are all special here :-) [03:35] I forgot the -> :D [03:37] why are you just a user Unit1931? [03:38] I hate that I have to check multiple sites/lists to get accurate info on school closings and snow emergencies :( [03:38] Yeah, Cheri703, that is a good link. [03:39] I'm a fan deejoe [03:39] dmcglone: I don't follow all that's going on in the Linux world, not a dev or anything like that [03:39] I thought you were taking computer science with paultag [03:40] I hate that Toledo Public waits 'til 20 minutes before school to cancel school. [03:40] then start taking hour kids to school 21 minutes early... LOL [03:40] your kids that is [03:41] dmcglone: If you were talking to me, no I'm not with paultag [03:41] I've already got confirmation my kids have a 2 hour delay tomorrow [03:41] Uhh... you're kidding. http://www.amazon.com/FarmVille-Dummies-Angela-Morales/dp/1118016963 [03:41] Oh I thought you 2 were room mates [03:42] them "for dummies" books are "from dummies" [03:42] Never seen him in my life... maybe the other guy on here is who you are thinking of... [03:42] yeah [03:42] mathay is paultag's roommate [03:42] thats it [03:43] I've seen the "for dummys" books and any average joe can sit down and figure it out at the computer and write about it [03:44] some of them are very good, actually.. The more technical ones in particular. [03:44] it's like that dumb guy on tv selling CD's on how to use windows. [03:44] I just hate the title. [03:44] "for dummies" [03:45] dmcglone: ...those CDs are desperately needed. [03:45] because they are for dummies, and we are not dummies... LOL [03:45] dmcglone: Try talking a 90-year-old woman through locating the address bar sometime. over the phone. [03:45] yeah, I don't like the idea of *anyone* being called a dummy, least not someone who is trying to learn something. [03:45] canthus13: he should be selling Ubuntu CD's and a book on how to "get rid of windows" [03:46] huh, I agree canthus13 I've already been down a similar road [03:47] I hate the ones that belive their "whole" dang computer is the internet [03:47] Heh. [03:47] I get people who blame *ME* when their computer doesn't turn on. [03:48] I get people that blame me when their internet is down [03:48] "It worked fine before I got your service!" Never mind that they subscribed *6* years ago. [03:48] heh [03:48] that's 4 Moore's Law halflives [03:49] dmcglone: My just recently deceased web server was older. [03:49] here's a good one. People point to the tower and say thats my hard drive [03:49] dmcglone: Or their modem. [03:49] yeah [03:49] or the ones that keep talking about their 'immodium'. [03:50] I have a hard time getting to the mute button in time with those ones. [03:50] haha [03:50] heh [03:50] immodium = modem? [03:50] Yep. [03:51] I had a woman whose modem burst into smoke, sparks, and flames today.... [03:51] wow [03:51] She said "I think I need a new modem..." [03:51] "my hard drive is messed up, and I cant get on the internet" [03:51] cable modem, or dial-up? [03:51] Cable. [03:51] We replace modems at no chage as long as we provided them in the first place. [03:51] Did you get to see it? [03:51] Nah. [03:52] I took the call on the phone. she's got a tech scheduled to swap it out in the morning. [03:54] canthus13: You ever get people trying to uncap? [03:54] Unit1931: Not in years. Too easy to catch. [03:55] Last ones we caught got nailed with federal charges, landed 2 of the 4 in jail. [03:55] ooo, canthus13 I'm going to use you as the "readily available semi-relevant expert so I don't have to actually call my own company yet" person :D [03:55] uncap as in increasing speeds? [03:55] dmcglone: yep [03:55] Cheri703: Heh. [03:55] any reason my internet would just randomly cut out? probably 5-10 minutes at a time, sometimes less, just loses connection completely [03:56] Lots. [03:56] any that TW could reasonably fix? [03:56] Cheri703: check your neighbors connection LOL [03:56] Power levels way off. Early Docsis 2.0 modems that can't handle load-balanced channels. [03:56] Cheri703: what cable modem? [03:56] let me check, hang on [03:56] Cheri703: Can you log into your modem and past the logs? [03:56] *paste [03:56] Uh oh canthus13 you just opened a can of worms [03:56] lol [03:57] Along with the main diagnostic page (The one with SNR and such.) [03:57] Cheri703: are you sure it's your internet connection and not your router? [03:57] pretty sure, because my wireless stays connected, just don't get anything loading [03:58] Oh. yeah. browse to 192.168.100.1. that'll give you the brand of the modem. [03:58] as well as possibly a diagnostic page. [03:58] husband is wired into router, and happens to him too [03:58] ok, hang on [03:58] Router can drop even if you're wired. [03:58] Cheri703: on Ubuntu I've noticed the wireless icon will stay connected for a bit after losing internet connection [03:58] WebSTAR DPC2100R2 [03:58] ok [03:58] Never heard of that one. [03:59] next time it happens I'll try to do something local [03:59] it says cisco on it [03:59] Ah. Ok. [03:59] cisco and that same model number [03:59] the page says webstar [03:59] logs haven't been enabled >.< [03:59] I've seen one or two... never dealt with one in the field, but the log entries should be usable. [03:59] This feature is not enabled. [03:59] This feature has not been enabled in your cable modem. [03:59] Please contact your data services provider for more information about this feature and its availability on the network. [03:59] To exit this page, click on the "Back" button on your browser tool bar to return to the previous page or click on the "System" link above. [03:59] paste the signal info. (SNR, etc. should have something about dbmv and such.) [04:00] bah. why would they disable useful troubleshooting information?? [04:00] everything other than the system page is disabled [04:00] Mine has logs....TWC [04:00] and that just has basic info [04:00] mine is twc as well [04:00] Nothing about Power levels, SNR, etc? [04:01] Receive Power Level [04:01] 0.0 dBmV [04:01] Transmit Power Level [04:01] 47.5 dBmV [04:01] that just changed to 0.1 and 47.5 [04:02] *45.7 [04:02] those are fine. [04:02] ok [04:02] Although the Tx should be pretty constant. [04:02] ok [04:02] Rcv should be between about -3 and 11, Tx between 38 and 50 [04:02] kk [04:02] friend is suggesting to look for a timeout on the router, not sure where to look [04:03] outside those ranges warrants investigation, waaay outside the ranges requires a service call. [04:03] I don't know where you'd find 'em on a router.. The modem logs woud show T3 timeouts, which aren't any big deal, and T4 timeouts, which are an automatic service call in most cases. [04:03] ok [04:03] woo for logs being disabled then :( [04:04] But next time it cuts out, see if you can reach 192.168.100.1, just to make sure you can get all the way through the router. [04:04] ok [04:04] will do, thanks :) [04:04] no prob. [04:05] well I'm outta here guys, gonna get me some rest. [04:05] g'night [04:05] G'night dmcglone [04:05] night [04:06] SB5100 [04:06] ? [04:06] Cable modem (no idea.....) [04:07] can I just take a moment to profess my love for ALDI chocolates? [04:07] Sure [04:07] :) [04:07] OMG TASTY! [04:07] and inexpensive [04:08] Some of the stuff ther are really good... [04:08] there is [04:08] * Cheri703 is eating an austrian chocolate bar with hazelnuts, and it is amazing and it's a 100g (3.52 oz) bar and it was 99 cents [04:08] it's wonderful [04:09] nuts.... I hate all nuts... but I like hazelnut coffee! [04:09] there are few nuts I'm ok with, but hazelnuts are high on that list :) [04:10] SSH feels so wimpy in the other os.... :( [04:10] heh [04:11] ALL of church comps are win (and I have SSH on two of them)... (I'm temp/non temp switching one to linux :D ) [04:12] Another dual boots [04:13] I'd suggest a vm, but they're likely not fast enough for that [04:13] One would be... STUPID V + Norton!!!!! [04:15] Cheri703: Did you see my comment about Feisty ^ above? [04:15] vaguely [04:15] sometimes going back to older versions is very handy for older computers [04:16] The comp wouldn't boot W (lsass.exe error) and the comp has been flaky for the past few months [04:17] So I had an old K CD over there just for this type of thing (installing Linux for the next few weeks) [04:17] nice [04:18] I'll also be gone next Sun (when the computer is used) good luck people! [04:18] heh [04:20] as I said, it's been very ify (alt shell, based on blackbox, for the past few months) [04:29] I couldn't remember the HTTP pass I set for a random router, as a long shot, I looked at the page source and found it.... [04:29] nice [04:29] I have to go run the dogs out, I'll be back in a while [04:29] In one way it is... have fun! [04:59] * Cheri703 is back, it's COLD [05:00] A little. [05:00] and windy [05:01] Heh. wind chill here is .8 degrees. [05:01] ridiculous [05:01] I'm supposed to leave my house at 8am and drive 2 hours to uhrichsville (near new philadelphia if that means anything to anyone), but I'm going to try to get out of it...or at least postpone it [05:01] tomorrow's wind chill will get down to -9. [05:02] * Cheri703 is religiously checking to see if they have a delay/cancellation there [05:02] I hafta work no matter what. Since I'm telephone support, I qualify as 'emergency' personnel. :P [05:02] heh, nice [05:02] * Cheri703 scratches that job of the list of potentials [05:03] one more reason companies should allow telecommuting in this area [05:03] It's not so bad. roads are pretty well plowed here. [05:03] And if it DOES get to a level 3 emergency, they'll let you off the hook if you can't make it. [05:04] since I drive a rear wheel drive pickup truck, I am personally drawing the line at level 2 [05:04] no way I'm going out in that. I'd like to not go out in a level one, I was out today and was slipping all over the place [05:04] Heh. I used to drive a little rwd nissan pickup in all sorts of snow. It was fun. [05:04] even with 300 lbs of sand in the back [05:04] this thing is a piece of crap [05:04] I hate it [05:05] sand was annoying. it always slid to the front of the bed, annoyed the crap out of me. [05:05] I have a 2x10 propped up on the wheel wells, it keeps it from sliding :) [05:05] works pretty well [05:06] Cool. [05:11] * Unit1931 is back from doing the driveway [05:11] did you slip? [05:12] ooo, if you have a spare $15 or so, (other than what you spent on a processor :/ ) I have just the product for you [05:12] Not too badly... [05:12] What would that be? boots? [05:12] getting a link, one sec [05:13] http://www.amazon.com/Yaktrax-Walker-Traction-Cleats-Black/dp/B001CZJIPA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292217176&sr=8-1 [05:14] they go over your shoes and give you traction. I have some, they're AWESOME [05:39] I would need the size L [05:40] They look nice! Good for sledding! [05:40] yeah, they're sweet [05:40] I have 2 pair, one for regular shoes, one for my gigantic honkin' boots [05:41] All of mine are big.... [05:48] Think of our driveway in this snow/ice...and more to come.... [05:59] * BiosElement waves at folks who are up late >.> [06:08] yo BiosElement [06:08] Hey there Cheri703, how's it going? [06:09] alright, and for you? [06:09] Ahh, kinda having a hard time with my project but otherwise good hah. [06:10] anything a non-programmer could help with? [06:10] Ahh ironically 80% of my work with the project is community work. Herding cats is an apt description. [06:11] ah, gotcha [06:11] if you ever need a hand, let me know...I have enough other crazy stuff going on, but sometimes a break dealing with other people's crazy stuff is good :) [06:11] We hit a high point with new members joining daily, now that dies down and people are convinced the project's dying. >.> [06:11] people are dumb [06:12] Well in honesty, the problems could have been avoided if I'd had more experience with managing projects but ahh well, know better now. [06:12] eh, have to learn somehow [06:13] True. [06:14] Oh yeah, and I have to stop laughing at stupid rules lists that have complete breakdowns on what's now allowed. :P [06:14] Since I just wrote one. >.> [06:14] heh [06:16] Is it going any better then before? [06:16] Unit1931, Honestly I'd say it's on the up. But that's just my opinion heh. [06:16] firefox keeps getting gigantic :( I'm annoyed with it. [06:16] I need sleeker firefox [06:16] Mozilla's gonna die if they don't fall back to their roots. >.> [06:17] it was freezing up, and it was at 265MB of memory use [06:17] Ouch [06:17] >.< with like 4 tabs open. I tend to leave firefox open for long periods of time, so it gets bigger and bigger, but I know I closed it earlier today [06:18] I don't have it installed in Lubu waaay too pigy (use midori) [06:19] Firefox: 572M >.< [06:20] Chrome: 54M >.> [06:21] I used chrome for a little while, and the big things were good, but a lot of little things drove me back to ff [06:21] I can't stand ff anymore >.> [06:22] Two days and 40 running tabs... [06:22] I like having my tab options, I like having adblock working properly, I like my add-ons, etc [06:22] and some sites just hate chrome [06:22] well, chromium, that's what I was using [06:22] Like? >.> [06:22] It's webkit [06:22] Any site that fails at webkit fail at life. Full stop. >.< [06:22] I don't remember [06:22] but some stuff wouldn't load properly [06:22] I had flash issues too [06:23] I've never understood why web devs don't rank Webkit higher then Gecko. :| [06:23] I mean really, webkit is just plain awesome. [06:23] * BiosElement coughs [06:32] I don't really know the difference honestly [06:34] I'm off to bed, I'm supposed to be leaving my house in just under 6.5 hours -_- [07:13] BiosElement: What do you think of the DjVu format? [07:13] Unit1931, I don't think anything of it, What is it? :P [07:14] Kinda like PDF [07:14] http://djvu.org/ [07:15] Seems like it might be cool [07:16] I have never seen a DjVu doc online anywhere (excluding their site) [07:17] I had one [07:17] at one point [07:17] * Cheri703 should be asleep [07:17] let me see if I can find the site [07:17] I was going to ask you if you were supposed to be in bed :) [07:18] I am in bed, just not tired at all [07:19] You might be tomorrow [07:20] probably, but I think if I don't use the weather as an excuse to cancel/postpone that appointment, I'm going to use illness, because I still don't feel well at all [07:21] www.archive.org offers books in djvu (among others), this isn't the book I'd downloaded, but it's one: http://www.archive.org/details/littlewomenormeg00alcoiala [07:21] they have ereader formats now too [07:22] I did see that on Wikipedia [07:31] Looking up Poe [08:20] OMG WHY AM I NOT TIRED!?!?!? [08:21] I have been there (Don't try hitting your head!) [08:21] I even went and ate, because sometimes weird blood sugar makes me weird and not tired, but...nope, nothing [08:21] Board and not tired? [08:22] indeed. [08:26] Ever been tired, board and you still can't get to sleep? [08:26] oh yes, often [08:28] I'm really liking finch... (but I still love Pidgin) [08:28] I might check it out [08:29] When/if you join a chat use /users [09:05] Error 404: Time not found [09:06] ? [09:07] Couldn't help it (The time was 4:04AM) [09:07] gotcha :) [09:08] I have stuff sent out at 4:04 everyday [09:08] I'm being moderately productive, printing out business cards that I need, and attempting to get my stupid hp printer that I hate to work as a share from ubu to xp [09:08] the driver is dumb [09:08] yeah? [09:10] I don't think I have issues with our HP... I not being productive at all [09:10] when do you go to school? [09:11] I'm homeschooled (don't have to get up too early) [09:11] ah, I thought that might be the case [09:12] My sisters turned out a bit better... [09:12] heh [09:14] sometimes I wonder what the lurkers think when they read their scrollback... [09:15] I try not to think of that or that's this is logged.... [09:15] heh, yah [09:15] *yeah [09:17] "Who are the two crazy people at that time of night?" [09:18] yeah [09:18] you have the advantage of anonymity though, some of them have met me in person :) [09:20] No others in this area, right? [09:20] nope [09:22] I really should have gone to sleep hours ago... (how are the other U-Hours?) [09:22] they're a bit better attended [09:23] This one is much newer [09:23] true [09:23] and a much smaller area [09:23] I do think you could hang out at panera and catch that one guy if he goes :) I'm going to try to get in touch with him to say I'm not going to be there this week [09:27] I can't go. Only U-Hour I have gone to so I don't know how the Akron one is like [09:27] ok [09:27] yeah, I only went to the one in cbus [09:31] 30th may work, I know a person that can't go to any before Jan [09:36] ok [09:43] I'm out!! [09:43] night [09:44]