[00:00] * yofel likes software center actually, esp. that it shows software by PPA [00:00] muon will have that too now though [00:00] yes, it is a bit simplistic, most of these reviews are.. download CD, boot into VM, use for a bit, write review [00:30] yofel, I am looking forward to muon [00:30] and true, I was using 10.04 software center, to give Ubuntu credit [00:31] but really, I was only trying to get back to kubuntu with it [00:31] and it did the worst possible job of installation [00:31] just horrible mess up [01:10] valorie: yofel, btw it's on my TODO to show sf by PPA (lots of users keep asking that), but first i need to make the ui a bit simpler :P [01:11] cool [01:11] I was looking for some info like that the other day, but didn't know how to dig it out [01:11] dantti: sadly jonathan is going to beat you to it :P [01:12] dinner.... [01:12] valorie: what kind of what? you mean knowing from which repo the package came from? [01:14] yofel: well what can I do? :P I'm a bit busy trying to fix some bugs before fedora has a decent release, and suse guys are also waiting for a patch to a conflicting file so ... [01:15] hopefully openSuse will have it as default too, which means more consistent desktop :) [01:15] cool :) [01:15] and now I have a Debian guy helping on adding an important aptcc feature so hopefully USC will use PK :D [01:52] dantti, indeed [01:53] so people in #kubuntu and elsewhere who can't seem to find certain packages can be given better advice [01:54] hola [05:05] ScottK: ppc box firing up [05:05] nixternal: Thanks. [05:05] just made the silly apple noise, so give it a minute [05:05] K [05:07] ScottK: go to yahoo.com, is it working for you? [05:07] seems to not work on anything other than IE for me :/ [05:07] nixternal: Yes. Works in chromium [05:07] interesting [05:08] ahh haa, damn cookies! [05:37] nixternal: I did what I have time for tonight. I've got more for tomorrow, so I'd appreciate it if you'd either leave it up or fire it up again in the morning. Thanks. [05:47] ScottK: I will just leave it up because I would forget in the morning === fabo_ is now known as fabo === alvin_ is now known as alvin === Squt is now known as Sput === mkv is now known as m4v === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok === amichairo is now known as amichair === a1 is now known as al [11:01] device notifier can now list remote shares [11:01] that is overkill when you are at university [11:01] omg omg [11:01] ScottK: libpackagekit-qt14 is all in main according to the change-override script [11:02] apachelogger: do you have a lot? [11:02] ScottK: ../../../../../../../../kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc:375:3: error: control reaches end of non-void function [11:02] ScottK: ../../../../../../../../kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc:233:3: error: no return statement in function returning non-void [11:02] -Werror=return-type [11:03] wrong or no return types are fatal to this build [11:03] Riddell: a bazillion [11:03] more coming up every minute [11:06] is that because of UpnP? [11:06] the remote shares? [11:07] *shrug* [12:05] Riddell: packaging of kdetoys 4.5.85 maverick is done... can u please upload it? [12:07] aakshay: where can I find your package? [12:08] Riddell: debdiff is here "http://pastebin.com/MNv7bu42" [12:09] Riddell: and rest how can i give you? [12:10] aakshay: actually a debdiff against the natty version of 4.5.85 would be better [12:12] Riddell: ok.. let me make one against natty 4.5.85 and the tarball i have used is kdetoys-4.5.85 which i used for packaging natty 4.5.85 [12:19] Riddell: new debdiff is at "http://pastebin.com/9vxY6JTK" [12:23] Riddell: is there any problem?... [12:23] aakshay: from that debdiff I can see some problems with your package [12:24] aakshay: the changelog entry for 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 is missing [12:24] and the version on kde-sc-dev-latest is too small [12:24] Riddell: oops!! the tarball i have used is kdetoys-4.5.85 which i used for packaging natty 4.5.85 [12:25] Riddell: i think thats why it has these issues..? [12:26] that tarball is fine but you don't seem to have used the latest natty 4.5.85 packaging [12:27] but it's easy enough to fix, just add back the missing changelog entry and fix the Build-Depends: kde-sc-dev-latest version [12:27] Riddell: while making the bzr checkout i used lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu [12:28] Riddell: changelog will be in debian.tar.gz? [12:28] the changelog will be in debian/changelog inside the package sources [12:29] aakshay: ah yes, lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu is out of date [12:29] Riddell: ohh no!!.. then what to use now? [12:29] aakshay: ok I have now updated lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu [12:30] bzr update should get the new version [12:30] Riddell: :).... now after editing the changelog i have to build the package again? [12:32] aakshay: I don't think you need to build the package again, we know it compiles fine [12:32] aakshay: so just update to the new packaging, add the maverick changelog entry, build the source package (debuild -S), then take the debdiff against the natty package [12:33] Riddell: ok... i need to package it again... :( ... let me do this [12:34] aakshay: you could also just make the changelog entry in your bzr checkout then run bzr diff [12:34] Riddell: this will take time because my internet is working very slow... :-0.. [12:36] Riddell: i will have to run bzr diff against which two? [12:37] against your checkout of lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu [12:37] so checkout is in an ubuntu/ directory, just edit the debian/changelog file within the ubuntu/ checkout then run bzr diff [12:37] Riddell: ok.. this would be easier and shorter one.. i am doing this then... [12:40] wow that is annoying [12:40] the device notifier constantly pops up with new devices [12:40] ewww ewww [12:40] apachelogger: OK. So what do we do about kdenetwork? [12:40] ScottK: patch it [12:41] apachelogger: Can haz patch? [12:41] looking into it [12:41] * apachelogger is currently in a statistics course [12:41] grrr [12:41] * ulysses hates statistic [12:44] odd [12:44] apachelogger: Thanks. [12:44] ScottK: I think our gcc is a bit fishy [12:45] apachelogger: For gcc fishy and improved are in the eye of the beholder. [12:45] * apachelogger notes that the function which apparenlty has no non-void return, actually has one [12:45] it just happens to be ifdef __linux'd [12:45] maybe it complains about just that [12:47] I've got nixternal's PPC box up and running if there's anything you want me to test. [12:48] ScottK: http://pastebin.com/EfsqFDHs [12:48] if you could try that one [12:51] Riddell: as i understood, i updated the changelog entry for maverick [12:51] Riddell: along with New Upstream release i added "Bump kde-sc-dev-latest build dependency to 4:4.5.85." [12:52] Riddell: this i did in source directory/debian/changelog [12:53] Riddell: now when i run bzr, it showing error "not a branch"... i misunderstood something.... err... please check the steps [12:57] apachelogger: liblikeback control file http://pastebin.com/5sej52rh . [12:59] and the build log http://pastebin.com/23x6LcTL [12:59] apachelogger: Seems to do it. [12:59] Once the failed build is done I'll make a proper patch and try a clean build to be sure. [13:01] [kopete] sitter * 1206454 * trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/jabber/googletalk/libjingle/ (patches/08.patch talk/base/physicalsocketserver.cc) make gcc not fall over when building with error on return-type by ensuring int functions always return something, neverminding the ifdef's [13:01] aakshay: I'm suggesting you make the changes within the packaging checkout, so with the ubuntu/ directory made by the bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdetoys/ubuntu === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [13:31] Riddell: bzr diff output is at "http://pastebin.com/LmtRrNVS".. please check it [13:35] aakshay: looks perfect thanks [13:38] Riddell: ok. but can you tell me how this editing will benefit us in the packaged source? how can these two be related? [13:43] Riddell: this is not correct. i know... :p ..i will package it again from the begining and then show you again.. [13:44] Riddell: you don't package it.. i will do it and do correctly next time... :p.. [13:46] Riddell: do correctly this time... :p.. [13:47] Riddell: thanks... bye... :) === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [14:19] JontheEchidna: You were right. ktorrent is already fixed in trunk. I'm trying to cherry pick the change. [14:24] Riddell: How'd your koffice build go on armel? Except for that and someone packaging a kdevplatform snapshot, I think we're about caught up on FTBFS. [14:25] ScottK: it had another qreal problem, fix compiling now [14:25] Riddell: Cool. Almost there ... [14:26] * ScottK has ktorrent and kdenetwork fixes compiling (not on armel fortunately or yours would never finish) [14:29] [muon] jmthomas * 1206469 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationDelegate.cpp ApplicationDelegate.h) Optimize: Create one KRatingPainter in the constructor, and don't create a new one for every paint() [14:39] my ssh passphrase thingie is still borked :( [14:39] I did all that what Mamarok did [14:39] and now the dialog comes up on startup [14:39] I enter the passphrase [14:39] but it's not added to the agent [14:39] but I still have to enter it again for every git pull [14:39] Oo [14:39] but why? [14:40] why me... [14:40] it all worked so nicely [14:40] now it's borked [14:40] another strange error: all my USB sticks/discs that are connected show up twice === bhargav is now known as kronos [14:47] Mamarok: if you still have hal installed, that's probably one from hal and one from udisks, hope they fixed that for rc === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:50] yofel: thanks, I guess that's it [14:50] should I remove HAL myself to try? [14:51] * Mamarok uses Maverick [14:51] you can, the only thing that's broken is powerdevil display brightness control and k3b (I'm using natty) [14:52] yofel: Did you report bugs upstream? [14:53] the brightness control issue was reported already, I didn't check k3b though, but I think that's known, I'll check later [14:58] Thanks. [15:10] http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/kubuntu-10-10-review/ [15:10] o/ [15:11] Fixed kdenetwork and ktorrent uploaded. [15:12] So that just leaves koffice and kdevplatform. [15:12] something tells me, Kubuntu Natty is going to rock hard :) [15:13] but guys, please keep the "kde-devel" package [15:13] A lot of it depends on how well the X stack lands. [15:13] it's essential for new devs [15:13] Did we remove it? [15:13] yes [15:13] cause Debian removed it [15:13] why, noone knows [15:13] it's stupid [15:13] Hmmm. [15:20] why not make Chromium the default browser? [15:20] it beats everything else easily [15:21] especially the darn Konqueror.... [15:21] rekonq isn't that bad [15:21] yofel: yeah, but is it really ready? [15:21] can 3 hackers in their basement keep up with google's army of developers? [15:21] I dunno [15:21] markey: and chromium depends on gtk stuff so I doubt it'll fit on the cd [15:22] you and your funny CD... ;) [15:22] btw, there is a downstream bug that prevents iPod Touch and Nano to work on Amarok with Maverick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/655908 [15:22] this is a bit ridiculous [15:22] Ubuntu bug 655908 in Amarok "iphone zero tracks in amarok" [Unknown,Confirmed] [15:22] might as well use a DVD [15:22] *shrug*, I'm all for dropping the cd and using the dvd, but not all of use have 10Mbit download rates [15:22] s/use/us/ [15:22] isn't chrome(ium) GTK based? [15:22] you could offer both [15:22] tsimpson: it is [15:22] tsimpson: well, "based" is too strong a word [15:22] they use exactly one simple menu [15:23] and some dialogs [15:23] that is it [15:23] everything else is done with other tech [15:23] markey: doesn't change the fact that it depends on libgtk, libgconf, libcairo, ... [15:24] yeah, sadly. I wonder why noone made a Qt fork yet [15:24] exchanging that stupid menu... [15:24] and putting a real file selector in there [15:24] in fact we had this plan once [15:24] but then ran out of time [15:24] I'd rather use opera, at least it's Qt based [15:24] it's not exactly small, either [15:25] and uses KDE open/save dialogs [15:25] tsimpson: and is not FOSS [15:25] which doesn't bother me so much [15:25] but other people [15:25] yeah, but I'd still rather use it to chrome [15:25] not as the default browser, just as opposed to chrome [15:35] markey: We do offer both a CD and a DVD. [15:35] The bigger problem with Chromium is it's library duplication model makes it questionable for security support. [15:39] markey: Can you join #debian-qt-kde on oftc so we can discuss the kde-devel issue? [15:48] ScottK: noone is there [15:48] ah [15:48] oftc? [15:48] hmm [15:48] is that really needed? [15:48] I mean, what is there to discuss? [15:48] the package is very handy [15:48] why on earth would they remove it? [15:48] markey: It's not. [15:49] It was a KDE3 package. [15:49] it still worked though [15:49] installed all the stuff you need [15:49] It happened to almost do what you wanted because many of the package names were the same, but that was just luck. [15:49] heh ok [15:50] anyway, having a replacement for that would rock [15:50] markey: What did it do that apt-get build-dep kde4libs won't do? [15:50] ScottK: it's much easier to type and to explain to new devs [15:50] "install kde-devel" [15:50] done [15:51] Most people will copy/paste from the wiki anyway. [15:53] markey: Debian isn't going to bother. If you want such a thing for Kubuntu, we'd need someone to mind after it and keep it up to date. [15:54] well I dunno. I found the package a good idea, and many others too [15:54] in the end, it's your call :) [15:54] you could make the package call a script that calls "apt-get build-dep kde4libs" ;) [15:56] the meta packages were always a pain to maintain [15:57] it fell out of maintenance for quite some time, especially when things were moving quickly in the early KDE 4 days [15:58] markey: I'd suggest someone who builds trunk edit http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian with the right apt-get build-dep stuff and then just direct people to it to copy/paste. [16:00] tsimpson: That was when things were breakneck speed. Now we are just breaking major limbs [16:01] but who wants to edit and upload 2 packages when you change a build-dep ;) [16:01] apachelogger loves doing these things [16:01] all day [16:02] markey: apachelogger should make shadeslayer do it. [16:02] It's good minion level work that shouldn't overly distract him from his studies. [16:05] hehe === EqS is now known as EgS [16:16] gosh, why are people keeping at bashing Kubuntu [16:16] what is wrong with them [16:16] and what is wrong with Kubuntu? [16:16] "While KDE is a slick, powerful desktop, Kubuntu is possibly the worst implementation. Try Mandriva first, if you’re a newbie. Or, better yet, PCLinuxOS, if you want multimedia to work out of the box." [16:16] ... [16:17] markey: because you'd never do that :) [16:17] Riddell: I wouldn't [16:17] what point is there to troll in forums === valorie_ is now known as valorie [16:24] Riddell: around? [16:28] hi ari-tczew [16:28] Riddell: hey, thanks for accepting clementine's source. could you approve also binaries? [16:31] ari-tczew: if I have time I will [16:31] still many more archive admin bits to do === emma is now known as em [16:41] * yofel thinks plasma is too stupid [16:42] I just got a plasma-desktop crash because plasma-desktop-appletsrc contained and activityID that didn't extst o.O [16:42] s/and/an/ [16:47] * yofel hides again [17:00] shadeslayer: do things [17:00] markey: can you give me your request in a nut shell? [17:00] * apachelogger is a bit short on time this week [17:02] apachelogger: bringing "kde-devel" package back [17:02] jt killed it in a merge... [17:03] he's a real killer [17:03] shadeslayer: bring back kde-devel [17:03] important to upstream [17:03] super important [17:03] if you do not bring it back I shall switch to opensuse [17:03] I shall switch to roast beef [17:03] mhhh [17:04] * apachelogger is living on cookies today [17:04] nothing proper to eat and too cold to go out again [17:04] markey: go to #debian-qt-kde and talk to svuorela, the debian folks don't want it back, or bring the package back yourself [17:04] I know Sune from KDE, no need to go there [17:05] It's really cold today [17:05] yeah [17:05] markey: read that first http://paste.ubuntu.com/543693/ [17:06] I don't see much point there either, you'll need trunk to write code anyway, so if anything use neon [17:07] don't need trunk at all [17:07] you don't need trunk to write code (unless you're writing code that needs trunk) [17:08] well, true, but apt-get build-dep should take care of getting the build stuff, no need for a meta-package [17:09] [muon] jmthomas * 1206497 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (7 files) Move the progress bar in the ApplicationExtender into the ApplicationDelegate itself. This way you can see applications that are being installed/uninstalled without having to click on them to extend the extender. [17:09] only if what you're coding on is packaged [17:10] right, but a kde-devel metapackage wouldn't make any difference there [17:10] yes it would, it would be one way to install all the kde library development files [17:12] well, it that's what you want then yes, it would help, but you don't usually need all of them [17:13] [muon] jmthomas * 1206499 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationExtender.cpp ApplicationModel.cpp) - Fix the action button not returning after cancel. - A few more bits of polish [17:15] apachelogger: If you're going to bring back kde-devel, please make sure it's updated to be correct for KDE4. [17:15] [muon] jmthomas * 1206500 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationModel.cpp SVN_SILENT: Non-pointer member items don't need to be intialized in the class initializer list. QList will already be constructed with the default constructor without an initializer list. [17:19] hi [17:19] I heard you guys use PyKDE a bit [17:19] that true? [17:20] [muon] jmthomas * 1206502 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationExtender.cpp Enable the action button after a cancel, since we're now disabling it instead of hiding it. [17:20] Some of us do, but not me. [17:22] * apachelogger uses windows a bit :D :D :D === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth-afk [17:27] apachelogger: can u check the liblikeback pastes i sent earlier ? [17:32] magic.... [17:32] kronos: maintainer needs to be something @ubuntu.com (you make yourself XSBC-Orig-Maintainer [17:33] kronos: description would be a bit needed ;) [17:33] synopsis could use some polishing IMHO [17:33] a -dev package will be necessary to build packages against liblikeback0 [17:33] other than that... :) [17:34] apachelogger: is the liblikeback0 in the control file correct ?? i had this doubt/ [17:34] kronos: yes [17:34] well [17:34] except for the description being a bit undescriptive :) [17:34] hmm.. will look into that [17:36] apachelogger: and in the buildlog lines 1062-67 ?? [17:36] kronos: where is that? [17:36] http://pastebin.com/23x6LcTL [17:37] nevermind that [17:38] apachelogger: hmm... i'll get back to you after changing things .. :) [17:38] ok [17:38] * apachelogger hands kronos a cookie [17:38] * kronos "D [17:38] * kronos :D === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [18:25] hi! kalzium is currently uninstallable in natty because it depends on avogadro which recommends python-avogadro which is curently uninstallable because it depends on python < 2.7 [18:25] do anyone here perhaps know if anyone's working on fixing that? [18:26] highvoltage: I can look into it. [18:28] ScottK: yay, thanks [18:28] highvoltage: Fixed already - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/python-avogadro/1.0.1-3ubuntu1 [18:29] (last night in fact) [18:29] ah, great. it broke edubuntu daily builds === dpm-afk is now known as dpm [18:50] ari-tczew: Your last upload of clementine failed on armel. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60646521/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.clementine_0.6-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [18:51] This should be pretty easy for you to fix. [18:51] ScottK: I saw. [18:51] Do you understand why it failed? [18:52] ari-tczew: ^^^ [18:53] ScottK: /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:187:17: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 ? [18:53] ari-tczew: Nope. [18:53] ScottK: so I don't understand and I don't think so that it's easy fix for me. [18:53] hint: [18:53] It will be once you know just a little more. [18:53] ari-tczew: /build/buildd/clementine-0.6/src/ui/settingsdialog.cpp:589:6: error: prototype for 'void SettingsDialog::SongInfoFontSizeChanged(qreal)' does not match any in class 'SettingsDialog' [18:53] /build/buildd/clementine-0.6/src/ui/settingsdialog.h:101:8: error: candidate is: void SettingsDialog::SongInfoFontSizeChanged(double) [18:54] ari-tczew: On armel qreal != double. [18:54] if you're using qreal, use it everywhere :) [18:54] ScottK: upstream should have a look on this [18:55] ari-tczew: Agreed, but as long as settingsdialog.h isn't a public header just double/qreal and it's good. You can send them the patch then. [18:55] ScottK, tsimpson: does this change (http://goo.gl/rPdia) can fix it? [18:56] looks like it, yep [18:56] ScottK: to avoid your question: I don't have armel device to test building. [18:56] ari-tczew: yes. that's exactly it. [18:56] btw. what a quick response! one minute! [18:56] ari-tczew: We could work that part out. [18:56] sorry, 2 minutes after ask on #clementine [18:57] you should patch first and try to compile, there may be other inconsistencies [18:57] tsimpson: only i386 on my PC [18:58] s/compile/upload/ [18:58] ari-tczew: I can test it. [18:58] ScottK: thanks [19:25] ScottK: do you planning test even today? [19:26] ari-tczew: yes. the build is started, but it's armel, so it will take a while. [19:26] ScottK: aaaa ok [19:29] hmm. koffice failed :( [19:45] Riddell: More qreal fun? [19:45] ScottK: dunno, logs not available yet [19:45] Oh. [19:48] ../../../../../../krita/plugins/extensions/dockers/colorselectorng/kis_color_selector.cpp:164:38: error: no matching function for call to 'qBound(double, qreal&, double)' [19:48] yep [19:49] apachelogger: again the same packaging problem as with Amarok 2.3.0: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259445 [19:49] KDE bug 259445 in Collection "the program does not detect the local collection" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [19:49] mysql dependencies are not installed for non-KDE users [19:49] not good, that... [19:59] ScottK: do you planning upload a fix for clementine or rather should do I do it? [20:00] ari-tczew: I think you should do it, but I can if you don't want to. [20:00] It's still building, BTW. [20:01] ScottK: I'll take care. [20:01] ScottK: Just ping me when builder will done. [20:01] Will do [20:06] It's past where it failed. Now let's see if any other porting issues turn up. [20:07] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1206525 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Simplify VerIterator initialization, and make some stylistic changes for consistency/readability [20:20] ScottK: could you approve binary packages when I have done uploaded fix? [20:20] ari-tczew: Not sure if I'll have time. [20:20] We'll see if i can get to it. [20:20] ScottK: what do you need to do as archive admin to approve new packages? [20:22] I don't see it being documented very well. [20:22] ari-tczew: accepted [20:23] for binary New you are the final review that the packaging is correct and that it's installing files where it should, etc. [20:23] ari-tczew: although I'm not convinved that ./usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-light/apps/24/clementine-panel-grey.png and similar files are in the right place [20:25] ari-tczew: It built, so I think you can upload when ready. [20:25] ScottK: thanks, I'm on it [20:26] ari-tczew: You're welcome. [21:10] apachelogger, Riddell: KDE SC 4.5.85 is now built on all archs .... [21:14] apachelogger: Have you got a minion that could package up a snapshot of kdevplatform and kdevelop so we can knock those off the FTFBS list? [22:09] ScottK: awooga! [22:19] Blogged it. http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/current-kde-sc-development-release-built-on-armel/ [23:32] ScottK has a blog? [23:36] Sure. Don't you read planet ubuntu? [23:36] IIRC I started before Intrepid released. [23:37] I do but not in its entirety === mueslix is now known as muesli