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jferhi. i am having some trouble changing my theme for the wiki to the newest one. can someone help me?07:15
nisshhjfer, wiki.ubuntu.com?07:24
nisshhgah!07:24
head_victimjfer: you still need wiki help?09:38
gorillaDid I miss the meeting?09:46
jferhi. i found that there was a bug with the wiki in changing themes.09:46
jferdoes anyone know of a fix?09:46
head_victimjfer: ah not sure, link to the bug I can ask around?09:46
head_victimgorilla: not yet, another hour09:47
gorillahead_victim: heh.. typical.. still better than being an hour late :-D09:47
head_victimgorilla: haha indeed09:47
jferhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/68543609:47
* gorilla will shut up now.09:48
nisshhhehe09:48
nisshhjfer, does that happen when changing to the 'light' theme or to any theme?09:48
head_victimgorilla: glad you're here though09:49
nisshhyeah]09:49
jferany theme09:49
head_victimjfer: that's a login issue not a theme change issue09:49
nisshhjfer, hmm, ok, its never happened to me09:49
head_victimMake sure you're properly logged in (I had the same issue so I logged out of everything launchpad ish I was in then went back and completely relogged in) and it seemed to work09:49
nisshhjfer, are you logged into the wiki properly when you try and change themes?09:49
jferyes09:50
nisshhtook the words right out of my mouth head_victim :)09:50
nisshhjfer, try what head_victim is suggesting, that will probably work09:50
head_victimnisshh: wikis are about the only thing I'm confident on :D09:50
jferok09:51
nisshhhead_victim, hehe09:51
nisshhhead_victim, wiki's are just the thing you have the most experience with :)09:51
head_victimnisshh: that is true09:52
nisshhhehe09:52
head_victimI can't do any real website stuff though but I can pretend I can with wikis.09:52
nisshhhaha09:52
nisshhhead_victim, oh cmon, html is easy :)09:52
head_victimnisshh: htm what?09:53
nisshhlol09:53
head_victim:D09:53
nisshhif you cant write basic HTML, you cant operate a car :)09:53
head_victimI'm sure I could steal someone else's work and make it do something remotely like what I want to do, does that count?09:53
nisshhbrb, getting something to eat09:53
jferstill doesn't work09:53
nisshhhead_victim, no, thats what darkrose would do :)09:54
head_victimjfer: ok does it give you any errors logging in to the wiki?09:54
nisshhjfer, make sure to log out of launchpad and the wiki, not just the wiki09:54
head_victimI've pinged the person who wrote that bug report but he lives in Finnland from memory so probably not at his PC09:54
head_victimjfer: still searching for answers mate, haven't forgotten. Let me konw if you find a fix so I can pass it on10:06
jferhead_victim:thanks mate10:14
jellywareis the meeting on now?10:31
head_victimin 30 mins jellyware 10:32
jellywarehuh?  10pm?10:32
jellywarethought it was 9:30pm10:32
head_victim9pm for gmt+1010:32
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings for agenda items or to add your own :D10:33
nisshhhead_victim, looks like we might get a slightly better than normal turnout :)10:34
head_victimnisshh: here's hoping10:34
jellywarewas'nt 9pm aest half an hour ago???10:36
nisshhjellyware, 9pm AEST GMT+10 is in 22 minutes10:37
jellywareconfused10:37
nisshhjellyware, you must be GMT + 11 if its nearly 10pm for you10:38
nisshhjellyware, im in GMT + 8 and its only 6:30 :)10:38
nisshh6:38 to be exact10:38
jellywareIts 9:38 in melb10:38
jellywarebut I thought I was living in AEST10:39
nisshhno10:39
head_victimWell you are but you have DST at the moment.10:39
nisshhthats an hour before AEST10:39
head_victimI hate timezones10:39
nisshhyeah10:39
nisshhoh i see, year10:39
nisshhyeah10:39
nisshhWA doesnt do DST now, we trialled it for 3 years but it fell through (again)10:40
jellywareright10:40
nisshhstupid damn politicians10:40
nisshh:)10:40
head_victimI don't get what the fuss is either way. It wouldn't change anything about my life except having to change every clock in the house twice a year.10:41
nisshhyeah10:41
head_victimBut I am a Qld'er10:41
nisshhhead_victim, im a bit the same, i dont see the advantage of it10:41
nisshhif there is one10:41
nisshhhead_victim, pm quickly?10:42
joey168nisshh, yes, you look at least twice a year after your clock10:43
nisshhjoey168, is that the only advantage>10:44
nisshh+?10:44
joey168I guess, yes10:44
joey168confusion10:44
nisshhi se10:45
nisshhsee10:45
nisshhgrr10:45
nisshhmy spelling is bad today10:45
joey168english spelling and grammar was never my strength10:46
head_victimOk it appears to be heading towards the scheduled time10:55
head_victimAnyone else here or has everyone gone afk10:56
gorillahead_victim: I'm still here.10:57
head_victim*phew* starting to think I had network issues10:57
jellywareI"m here10:57
jellywarenot sure how long I can hang about though10:58
head_victimOk I'll start the meeting10:58
head_victim#startmeeting10:58
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gorillahead_victim: in that case I wish I had stayed quiet.10:58
head_victimIf we can all just say something into the channel to register your attendance10:58
head_victimgorilla: no banana for you10:58
jellywareevening all10:58
gorillahead_victim: had mango smoothie instead.10:58
gorillayes, evening all.10:59
head_victimWhile we are waiting for people to show attendance if we can all look at the agenda at:10:59
head_victim[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings10:59
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head_victimI realise it's a little later for those in the eastern states with DST so I thought I'd just ask if anyone had anything to bring up before they had to leave?11:00
nisshhit seems not11:00
jellywareonly that I think these meetings used to be at 9:30pm11:01
head_victimI just thought I'd check because I'd hate to miss someone's specific input because it was getting late.11:01
jfergood evening11:01
jellywareor even 9pm11:01
head_victimjellyware: they are at 2100 just not including DST11:01
gorillajellyware: the times go messed up.. just roll with it.11:01
MoLE_evening all11:02
head_victimWe could try and split the difference and hold them 30 mins earlier during DST if that helps, just if we have it too early those in the western states won't be home from work.11:02
nisshhhey MoLE_ the meeting has started11:02
head_victimMoLE_: welcome11:02
MoLE_Sorry about being late11:02
head_victimOk being that no one has anything urgent before they leave I'll start off from the wiki agenda11:02
nisshhhead_victim, no, its 7pm here, there wont really be any issues11:02
head_victim[TOPIC] Update on LCA201111:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Update on LCA2011 11:02
head_victimBasically I have had confirmation from the LCA organisers that we have been reserved a table.11:03
nisshhMoLE_, your not, it started 2 minutes ago :)11:03
nisshhawesome11:03
MoLE_you stirrer nisshh 11:03
gorillahead_victim: nice work.11:03
MoLE_wd head_victim 11:03
jellywarenice11:03
head_victimNow what I need is to make sure that people register their interest at the wiki AND at the official event page 11:03
gorillaMoLE_: don't feed the troll-ite.11:03
head_victim[LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/587/detail/11:03
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nisshhMoLE_, lol11:03
jellywarewhere is it next year?11:03
head_victim[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane11:04
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gorillajellyware: brisbane11:04
gorillajellyware: be there or be absent.11:04
nisshhhead_victim, is registering our interest meaning that we are agreeing to be there?11:04
head_victimnisshh: you might want to look at the options on the loco page I think there is an option to not attend11:04
* darkrose says something to prove she's here11:05
head_victimdarkrose: thanks11:05
nisshhhead_victim, ok, ill have a look11:05
jferhas anyone requested a conference pack from Canonical yet?11:05
head_victimWith a lot of assistance from elky (ping!) we have put together a request for a conference pack11:05
head_victimAs an unofficial loco though we aren't entitled to much11:05
head_victimto *as* much sorry11:05
elkyohai11:06
head_victimI will also be submitting a separate request to shipit to have some CDs to hand out, hoping that we get some.11:06
nisshhcool11:06
head_victimSo what I really need assistance with now is making sure I'm not standing there alone all day talking to myself showing an empty table.11:06
gorillahead_victim: I'll be attending the conference. Need to get away a little early as I have an evening engagement to attend. 11:07
head_victimThe organisers have placed an emphasis on "things you can play with" at the stands so I was hoping we'd have volunteers with laptops/netbooks willing to let people from the public "have a play" even if it is only on a livecd.11:07
MoLE_head_victim, I'd be happy to donate some dosh to get some CDs sent out11:07
head_victimgorilla: thats fine the open day goes from 1000 until 1600 :)11:07
joey168head_victim, what are your ideas in regard to the display11:07
head_victimMoLE_: it's not about the money, if we have to buy them it will be extravagantly expensive so I"m hoping shipit comes to the party.11:08
MoLE_oh, ok11:08
head_victimjoey168: I will be printing out several posters from spreadubuntu11:08
head_victim[LINK] http://spreadubuntu.org/11:08
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MoLE_cool11:08
head_victimOn A3 pages for the back of the stand, I was hoping people could contribute hardware for the table (thanks caryb for putting up something to start with)11:09
jferI think it would be cool if we could show off some of the new features coming in Natty in particular with Unity.11:09
head_victimjfer: yes I agree.11:09
joey168head_victim, you also want to show some PC's, laptops whatever with Ubuntu 11:09
head_victimThe issue we might face is that the table space will be limited so big bulky displays are probably out.11:10
joey168nice and neat netbooks?11:10
head_victimTo get people interested I thought if we had 3 or 4 people with netbooks willing to walk around and engage people it might be useful as well11:10
gorillayes.. a projector is nice as it captures peoples attention.. but depends on the table.11:10
nisshha couple of netbooks and maybe a laptop or two would be the best bet11:11
head_victimUnfortunately I have no hardware to speak of that would be suitable as the only laptop I have barely runs Lubuntu and consistently shuts down due to overheating.11:11
head_victimgorilla: we need to specifically request projector space but we could have a floor pointing one?11:11
head_victimnisshh: I agree. 11:11
head_victimThere is a place for all brainstorming and volunteering on the wiki link posted above.11:11
nisshhyeah11:11
gorillahead_victim: or possibly projecting onto the roof if it's low enough.11:12
head_victimThat about sums up what I wanted to report about the issue. I just want to keep the team informed as it will be a team effort and I'm hoping to see some of you all there.11:12
nisshhcool11:12
joey168the netbook I have is with Ubuntu Netbook and some business apps11:12
head_victimDoes anyone have any questions they can think of at the moment (if you think of them later, shoot to the mailing list!)11:12
jferdoes anyone have a touch device?11:12
nisshhjfer, nice one11:13
head_victimjfer: wouldn't appear so, maybe hit up the mailing list for a volunteer?11:13
bwrightHello.11:13
nisshhhey bwright11:14
MoLE_jfer, I do, but it runs android11:14
head_victimgday bwright11:14
nisshhthe meeting is on11:14
bwrightRight now?11:14
nisshhyes11:14
nisshhright now :)11:14
nisshhbwright, it started 15 minutes ago11:14
head_victimMoLE_: if it's able to run Ubuntu fairly well it might be worth having a tinker but as it's an Open Day and we're representing Ubuntu I think it will have to be specific. Maybe see if you can get Ubuntu on it?11:14
bwrightnisshh: So what are we all talking about?11:15
head_victimbwright: if you need something non meeting related pop into -chat :)11:15
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings11:15
nisshhbwright, Linux.Conf.Au11:15
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MoLE_head_victim, I'll have a go11:15
head_victimMoLE_: great, shoot the list an email with how it goes.11:16
jferyes i would be interested to hear11:16
head_victimOk, so it sound slike we have some good ideas coming up. Please everyone, add them to the wiki, email the list and lets get something happening.11:16
jferhow does natty fit in with LCA?11:16
jferwhere will it be at in the release schedule?11:16
head_victimjfer: LCA is January, Natty is April.11:16
head_victimjfer: only alpha 111:17
head_victimOk so we don't spend the whole meeting on the LCA would anyone be upset if we take further discussion to the list so that everyone can join in?11:17
nisshhi think alpha 2 might be out around when LCA is on11:17
gorillaperhaps have a laptop with Natty as a preview but only if it's realiable.11:18
elkyjust a warning, the more of natty you show, the more you'll have people wanting. that. right. now. And breakages. Be careful to pretty much drown out the natty demo with non-alpha stuff11:18
gorillaelky: point!11:18
head_victimelky: good point, to be honest I don't think alphas are something we want to be showing to people who don't know Ubuntu11:18
elkyunless you want to personally hand hold everyone who'll take it on11:19
head_victimThey regularly crash, freeze, don't work and this changes on a daily basis.11:19
nisshhhead_victim, maybe have it there and whip it out if someone asks?11:19
joey168I think people want to see what they can do with Ubuntu - Apps11:19
elkynisshh, if they're actually interested in dev, they'll download. really11:19
head_victimnisshh: possible, depends on the number of devices available on the day.11:19
elkykeep the message simple11:20
jferi think it is important that people can see where Ubuntu is headed11:20
nisshhelky, im not talking about dev, im talking about showcasing whats coming soon11:20
nisshhhead_victim, yeah11:20
head_victimjfer: agree but with the limited time of an Open Day I think maybe some screenshots printed out would be about all we could really achieve.11:20
elkynisshh, that's like saying "here, look at this. but no you can't have"11:21
dejaielky: That has worked for apple :-)11:21
nisshhelky, no, its about "here look at this, this is whats coming soon"11:21
jferhaha my thoughts exactly11:21
head_victimOk time to move on? (we can set up a specific LCA meeting if need be or continue on the list).11:22
nisshhyeah, lets move on11:22
joey168let's move on11:22
elkynisshh, it's still not a good way to deal with newbies. they don't understand that they can't have it.. look you have it, why can't i!11:22
elkyit works great for you, why are you not giving it to me. i'll pay you!11:22
nisshhelky, they CAN have it, they just shouldnt use it yet11:23
head_victim[ACTION] Continue discussion on the mailing list and get brainstorming on the wiki11:23
MootBotACTION received:  Continue discussion on the mailing list and get brainstorming on the wiki 11:23
elkynisshh, and you won't win that arguement11:23
nisshhno, i wont, not with you11:23
head_victim[TOPIC] Discuss current IRC structure - nisshh 11:23
MootBotNew Topic:  Discuss current IRC structure - nisshh  11:23
nisshhright11:23
head_victimnisshh: it is an open day not a tech day also11:23
nisshhhead_victim, fair enough11:23
nisshhok, so i added this topic in relation to one of the loco council's recommendations11:24
head_victimnisshh: take it away11:24
head_victimLink?11:24
nisshhwhich was "sort out your irc structure, its confusing for newbies"11:24
nisshhone sec ill find the link11:24
dejaiIRC is just a protocol it isn't hard to get into a chatroom press a button on a website.11:24
nisshhdejai, not that sort of thing dude, and if you want to bash, please do so elsewhere11:25
head_victim[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006166.html11:25
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dejaiI thought that was the issue.11:25
head_victimfound it nisshh 11:25
head_victimdejai: I think it's more about the -au and the -au-chat separation11:26
nisshhthats the one11:26
nisshhthanks head_victim11:26
nisshhok11:26
nisshhso they were wondering why we had a seperate offtopic channel11:26
dejaiI can certainly see the need for one11:26
nisshhand i want to put this up for discussion, because its evidently detracting from our main channel11:27
dejaiBeen hanging out mainly in -au-chat for around two years it has nothing at all to do with ubuntu11:27
head_victim[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2007-December/002653.html11:27
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head_victimThat was the original reasoning11:27
nisshhi find that much of the chat in -chat is somewhat ubuntu/linux related11:27
nisshhyet people dont use the main channel11:27
nisshhor rarely do11:28
dejaiWell from personal experience if there is a question about ubuntu it gets answered quick in -au11:28
dejaiAnd that is aided by the seperation imo11:28
nisshhyeah, true11:28
nisshhbut many times i have seen people join the main channel, ask, not get a reply and quit11:28
head_victimThe question is if we combine the channels back into one it will mean ALL conversation is logged not just the loco related stuff11:28
nisshhbecause people tend to watch -chat more11:28
MoLE_nisshh, I agree11:29
nisshhwhich i dont really see a problem with11:29
dejaiGet a lot of people interested in an irc channel it is bound to go off topic it is better to just keep one clean which would certainly be less confronting to new users as well11:29
nisshhi mean, if you want to troll, go somewhere else, if you want to discuss something way offtopic, go somewhere else, but i think -au can be used for general chat11:30
dejaiWell it would just kill -au all together11:30
nisshhno other loco that i know of, or Ubuntu team for that matter, has an offtopic seperate channel11:30
dejaiThe best thing about -au is it is very straight forward.11:30
nisshhdejai, but thats it, it isnt for a newbie11:31
MoLE_Another key difference is that -chat isn't logged?11:31
head_victimnisshh: both Ubuntu teams I'm somewhat involved in have offtopic channels though11:31
nisshhMoLE_, correct11:31
nisshhhead_victim, some do yes, but most dont, and no other loco does to my knowledge11:31
dejaiWhich is important to some people however you should assume everything is11:31
nisshhso what do people think?11:31
dejaiKeep it the same.11:31
nisshhhead_victim, MoLE_, elky, darkrose, gorilla?11:32
darkrosehuh?11:32
head_victimThe main issue I see is that if we merge the channels some of the converstaion that currently occurs in -chat would not be acceptable in here.11:32
head_victimIf people were willing to put up with that then it might be feasible11:32
nisshhdarkrose, read the scrollback11:33
darkroseit got split because people weren't willing to put up with it11:33
MoLE_nisshh, probably lean towards a merge.  Much biggers locos than us only have one channel11:33
nisshhyeah11:33
joey168I think the biggest hurdel for newbies is the setup, we have to give more clear instructions11:33
nisshhdarkrose, that was back then though11:33
elkyI do not agree with any proposal to merge the channels or any proposal to log -chat.11:34
gorillaI know that logging a channel is a bad idea as it tends to change the atmosphere. Sure it's worth logging the channe but not make it public.11:34
nisshhelky, why?11:34
head_victimgorilla: this room is publically logged and always has been11:34
darkroseelky++11:34
elkyThe channels have distinct purposes. There is no need for everything someone says on the internet to be archived forever.11:34
gorillahead_victim: yes and I rarely come here ;-)11:34
dejaiSame I never am in ubuntu-au unless I want to talk about locos or have a question11:35
dejaiOr if I feel like answering questions11:35
nisshhelky, so that outweighs the issue of -au being dead all the time?11:35
elkyWe split the channels because people asking help were getting ignored and talked over by people who just wanted to chat rubbish about football etc11:35
elkynisshh, it's only dead because people aren't thinking before asking things in -chat11:35
darkrosewhich is what happens still if someone asks for help in chat most of the time11:36
elkydarkrose, exactly11:36
nisshhhmm11:36
gorillaBut yes, the biggest stumbling block is the installation. It's intimidating to re-partition your hard drive and hope for the best.11:36
nisshhshould we put it to a vote here and now then?11:36
nisshhor on the mailing list?11:36
elkynisshh, i don't think so11:36
elkythe mailing list, sure.11:37
head_victimnisshh: include the 2 links we've already put in this topic and then put in your comments and we'll see if anyone else has any other opinions we can discuss :)11:37
MoLE_sounds fair - give those not here a say11:37
nisshhfair enough, mailing list it is11:38
darkroseyeah, give those who don't use irc a say on the irc chan's11:38
joey168that's o.k.11:38
dejaiOr just make -au-chat not official11:38
dejaiWhich would happen anyway? Or is the plan to lock people out of the channel11:38
nisshhas a closing comment, i just dont think its right if some of you dont want anything to change for the benefit of the whole team11:38
head_victimdarkrose: not necessarily, just those that use them that aren't here now11:38
head_victimdejai: the -chat channel is currently not logged and is about as unofficial as you can get while still maintaining attachment to the group.11:39
nisshhyeah11:39
nisshhas i see it, if you want to be offtopic more than the usual amount, there are better places11:39
dejaiI don't think the loco needs to officially maintain it11:39
elkydejai, it does in that the ubuntu namespace is officially registered with freenode11:40
darkroseso it comes down to "do we say they're merged, even if the merge is ignored by people that use the channels. or just keep it as is... which is basically the same thing anyway"11:40
nisshhexactly11:40
dejaielky: Fair enough11:40
simplechatnisshh, I find #-au-chat to be invaluable for finding likeminded ubuntu using peoples :)11:40
simplechatits full of win, in other words11:40
head_victim[ACTION] nisshh to take IRC Channel discussion to be taken to mailing list to allow those not present to also discuss11:40
MootBotACTION received:  nisshh to take IRC Channel discussion to be taken to mailing list to allow those not present to also discuss 11:40
simplechatnisshh, and I personally would feel great sorrow at its most premature destruction :(11:40
nisshhsimplechat, but almost everyone who sits in -chat also sits in the main channel, so nothing would change for you11:41
simplechatnisshh, but you can't talk about random issues on the main chan11:41
dejaiAlso a lot of -chat members don't subscribe to the mailing list they are ubuntu users that are casually attached to the loco in the sense they use the operating system11:41
simplechatyou can't get to know people11:41
darkroseit's the almost that makes the difference11:41
nisshhsimplechat, general chat could be done in the main channel easily enough11:41
simplechatnot really11:41
dejaiWell it would11:41
simplechatit just plain derails11:41
simplechatit will derail serious conversation11:41
dejaiI am sure I would be banned within a day or two for off topic11:42
simplechatdejai, same11:42
dejaiOr half the people would idle and never chat11:42
simplechatnisshh, basically you need clear divisions11:42
dejaiand slowly leave.11:42
nisshhi really dont get why we cant have one channel if every single other loco has just one, why is this such a big problem to everyone?11:42
dejaiYes.11:42
simplechateither this is for ubuntu related issues only and no random discussions11:42
elkywe could just enforce offtopicness in the offtopic channel, too.11:42
simplechator this will basically be full of randomness and nothing useful will happen here11:42
darkrosethere's casual chat happening in -chat now... for the pro-mergers do you really think this wouldn't interfere with the meeting?11:42
MoLE_what do the other locos do?  Do they divide random chat from ubuntu core business?11:43
elkyMoLE_, many do yes11:43
MoLE_elky, examples?11:43
dejaiWhy do we need to follow other locos?11:43
nisshhdarkrose, everyone currently chatting in -chat is also part of the meeting, so no it wouldnt11:43
elkygerman team, french team, etc11:43
head_victimIs it a case of an understanding issue about what should be in what channel maybe nisshh or just the fact that 2 channels exist?11:43
MoLE_dejai, we don't have to but looking at what other locos do is a good way of getting re-recognised11:44
darkroseso it comes down to "do we say they're merged, even if the merge is ignored by people that use the channels. or just keep it as is... which is basically the same thing anyway"11:44
nisshhhead_victim, both really11:44
gorillanisshh: what about during the footy season/11:44
gorilla?11:44
nisshhgorilla, then create #football :)11:44
gorillanisshh: I'm not discussing that silly round ball game.11:45
simplechatnisshh, it boils down to conditioning. If you know that if you go to #ubuntu-au you'll get a good serious response to your question, that is where you'll go when you have a ubuntu related question. If it's just a place for random chatter, that is where you'll go for that.11:45
dejaiprobably taken by something thinking of that other football11:45
simplechatnisshh, you'll basically turn #ubuntu-au into #ubuntu-au-chat and destroy #ubuntu-au in the process11:45
nisshhhmmm, i dont think so, no11:45
darkrosesimplechat++11:45
dejaiI have actually been told to go to -au when asking an ubuntu question11:45
dejaisimplechat++11:45
darkrosethat's why the split happened in the first place11:45
dejaiAnd I think most people know that11:45
head_victimWell I think for tonight we should agree that we should all be more proactive about using the correct channels appropriately and assisting others to do the same. And bring up the issue of a merge on the mailing list in an appropriate manner that won't incite trolling/flaming11:45
simplechatnisshh, which is why even on my small irc server, we have #beta and #beta-offtopic11:45
gorillaI don't see the point of merging</devils advocate>11:45
simplechatfor the same reason11:45
nisshhso at the very least we would need people to properly use each channel11:46
simplechathead_victim++11:46
MoLE_I think we can agree to disagree at this point and perhaps thrash it out on the mailing list.11:46
nisshhagreed11:46
dejaihead_victim++11:46
darkrosenisshh: at present, your the number one misuser of -chat as a support channel11:46
nisshhok11:46
head_victim[ACTION] we should all be more proactive about using the correct channels appropriately and assisting others to do the same. And bring up the issue of a merge on the mailing list in an appropriate manner that won't incite trolling/flaming11:46
MootBotACTION received:  we should all be more proactive about using the correct channels appropriately and assisting others to do the same. And bring up the issue of a merge on the mailing list in an appropriate manner that won't incite trolling/flaming 11:46
head_victimMoving on?11:47
nisshhdarkrose, i never said i was not misusing it, i think we all are11:47
gorillaplease do.11:47
head_victim[TOPIC] nisshh - Discuss ways we can get the word out there about the LoCo11:47
MootBotNew Topic:  nisshh - Discuss ways we can get the word out there about the LoCo 11:47
nisshhok11:48
head_victimnisshh: you again buddy :)11:48
nisshhso this11:48
nisshhis about using our social things more to promote the loco and get word out there11:48
nisshhso our facebook and identica, etc11:48
nisshhas well as people who post to  Planet Ubuntu (me and a few others as far as i know)11:49
head_victim[LINK] http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/11:49
MootBotLINK received:  http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/ 11:49
nisshhcurrently we dont use our social stuff to announce events about the loco or anything11:49
nisshhhead_victim, i meant the actual PU not the loco one, but yeah11:50
head_victimnisshh: ah k, sorry11:50
nisshhits ok :)11:50
head_victimThngs like http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au ?11:50
nisshhyeah11:50
nisshhthat too i guess11:50
nisshhevents can be listed there i think11:50
head_victimelky: any progress on having that page updated?11:50
nisshhand there is also the fridge calendar11:50
head_victimnisshh: we should have listed the meeting for starters.11:50
elkyeh?11:50
nisshhhead_victim, heh, +111:51
head_victimelky: it has next to nothing on it :/11:51
nisshhso what do people think?11:51
head_victimas far as resources and things go11:51
elkyhead_victim, it looks to be getting info on there from the events. what else are you expecting?11:51
gorillaAgreed... publish all related events no matter how trivial it may seem.11:52
head_victimelky: there is no team information there, can we list the resources?11:53
nisshhand then we have people on twitter who could retweet this stuff11:53
head_victimhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan using that as an example, without the photos and things11:53
MootBotLINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan using that as an example, without the photos and things 11:53
head_victimwhoops didn't mean that to link :/;11:54
nisshhhaha11:54
elkyhead_victim, i don't know how.11:54
nisshhok, so it seems no one is interested after crapping all over me, shall we end the meeting?11:54
gorillanisshh: I was going to save that untill after the meeting :-D11:54
sagaci_how'd the meeting go11:55
nisshhgorilla, fair enough, maybe in a pm so i dont get attacked :)11:55
MoLE_seems a logical, sensible idead nisshh 11:55
head_victimnisshh: it's a good idea, as co chairs would you be willing to help me add the meetings there monthly as a start?11:55
=== sagaci_ is now known as sagaci
nisshhhead_victim, sure, i cant do facebook, but i can do identica and diaspora :)11:55
nisshhby the way, who here is actually on facebook and willing to maintain our facebook page?11:56
head_victimnisshh: sounds good. Might be worth shooting some examples to the mailing list to get people interested11:56
nisshhthat seems to be where a lot of people are these days11:56
nisshhhead_victim, yeah, will do11:56
gorillanisshh: I'm on facebook but not sure if I could run a page. I'm tapped out with a hackerspace web site atm.11:57
nisshhgorilla, well, basically we just need two or three people to do status updates and post about events on it really, nothing special11:57
gorillanisshh: Ahhh. I could manage that :-)11:57
nisshhgorilla, awesome, im not sure who created the original facebook page for the loco though, are you able to find that out?11:58
gorillanisshh: I'll have a dig around.11:59
gorillanisshh: It was Melissa Draper. Not sure if she is still active in any capacity.12:00
head_victimgorilla: Melissa = elky 12:00
gorillathere are 326 members.12:00
gorillahead_victim: Ahhh. 12:00
gorillaSorry elky 12:00
MoLE_lol12:01
elkyheh12:01
nisshhgorilla, cool12:01
gorillaMoLE_: I don't track real name to irc nick mapping very well.12:01
nisshhim not sure if elky is the only one who can change that page or whatever, i dont use facebook and never will12:01
head_victim[ACTION] Team to be more proactive about posting to social media to promote events and the team.12:01
MootBotACTION received:  Team to be more proactive about posting to social media to promote events and the team. 12:01
MoLE_gorilla, me either12:02
head_victim[ACTION] Co-chairs to make sure all meetings are posted to loco.ubuntu.com events pages.12:02
MootBotACTION received:  Co-chairs to make sure all meetings are posted to loco.ubuntu.com events pages. 12:02
nisshhgorilla, can you and elky work that out then? maybe elky give page rights to you or something?12:02
elkyi didn't make the page afaik, so probably not me exclusively12:02
nisshhok, so it sounds like its no longer updated?12:03
nisshhthought so12:03
gorillaelky: We can discusss this outside of the meeting and have a "play" with it.12:03
elkyi don't think it was ever really closed?12:03
nisshhhead_victim, i think end the meeting :)12:03
gorillanisshh: the last event was the release part in April for sydney.12:03
gorillaparty*12:04
nisshhgorilla, yeah, but if we make progress on some of our projects listed on the wiki we will have more to post/dent/tweet about12:04
head_victimOk, before I end the meeting is there any other topics people want brought up quickly?12:04
gorillanisshh: sure but in the meantime we can list future meetings.12:04
nisshhgorilla, yes, of course12:05
jferI think that we should discuss further on the mailing list12:05
nisshhjfer, yeah, im sending mails off now12:06
elkyhead_victim, geekosophical.net/ubuntuau-bizcard.pdf12:06
head_victimelky: ok so it's agreed, I suck. That looks great!12:07
head_victimSo endmeeting time?12:07
gorillaelky: awesome.12:07
MoLE_yes12:07
dejaiOh yes I stumbled onto the meeting by accident.12:07
gorillahead_victim: I have nothing more to say.12:07
MoLE_Have a great Christmas everyone.12:08
MoLE_Next meeting in the new year?12:08
gorilladejai: don't be afraid to stumble back sometime soon.12:08
elkyhttp://geekosophical.net/ubuntuau-bizcard.svg be the source12:08
MootBotLINK received:  http://geekosophical.net/ubuntuau-bizcard.svg be the source 12:08
elkyohmy, it grabs links automatically now?12:08
gorillaelky: hehe12:09
darkroseif the link is at the beginning of the post12:09
elkythe source will look stupid until you get the ubuntu fonts from font.ubuntu.com12:09
head_victim#endmeeting12:09
MootBotMeeting finished at 06:09.12:09
head_victimOk no more accidental links :D12:09
head_victimThank you everyone for coming and thank you all for contributing.12:09
gorillaWell done head_victim for chairing the meeting.12:09
jferyes thanks.12:10
jferI look forward to those mailing list discussions12:10
head_victimgorilla: a pleasure as always, good to see people turning up12:11
elky hrm, actually, let me update that source & pdf12:11
elkyyou'll loose tasmania if you take that to be printed as is12:11
sagaciyeah sorry about that, ended up watching family guy and realised the meeting was halfway over when it finished12:12
gorillaelky: but tasmania isn't reall part of Australia :-P12:12
elkyssh, they haven't figured that out yet and still pay us tax12:12
gorillasagaci: I wish that was logged ;-)12:12
sagacigorilla: why12:12
gorillasagaci: it could have been a classic quote :-)12:13
sagaciahh ok12:13
dejaiMeeting over everyone back to -chat!12:13
gorillaright.12:13
head_victimelky: when you're done can I copy or even link to it on the artwork page?12:13
sagaciok, leaving serious channel now12:13
elkyhead_victim, here, take an archive geekosophical.net/ubuntuau-bizcard.tar.gz12:15
elkyyou should be able to upload files to the wiki12:15
head_victimelky: yep that's how I've been doing it12:16
head_victimI'm tempted to remove my poor attempt though so it doesn't look so bad beside yours12:16
elkyhehe12:18
elkysomeone may prefer it12:18
head_victimWell I'll remove the infringing COF though, don't want to get in trouble12:19
gorillaI say leave it... It could be an inspiration for someone else.12:19
head_victimgorilla: ok, I'll leave it. but yeah just modify it, apparently the transparency on the circle of friends I have used as a background infringes trademark policy.12:20
gorillahead_victim: Ahhh. that's a problem then.12:21
=== head_victim changed the topic of #ubuntu-au to: Welcome to the Official Australian Ubuntu LoCo Team channel! - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianinTeam/IRC || Next Team Meeting: Tues 11/01/2011 @ 2100 AEST (GMT+10) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings || Team home: http://ubuntu.org.au || #ubuntu-au-chat now open for non-ubuntu discussions! || Mailing list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists
head_victimNext meeting is January 11th :D12:21
gorillaelky: When's a good time to discuss facebook page.12:22
gorilla?12:22
elkyanother evening before next wednesday12:22
sagacigorilla: what better place than here, what better time than now?12:22
gorillaelky: okay.. what about friday evening?12:23
elkyif i'm around. i'm often at the whim of the boss with the corporate credit card and a penchant for steak and wine12:23
gorillasagaci: because it's nearly midnight here and I am coming off the tail end of some bug.12:23
elkyit's a hard life, i know12:23
elkybut someone has to do it.12:23
gorillaheh. Have a stake and whine for me also then :-)12:24
sagacisteak tried emulating and kerplunked12:25
gorillaelky: I have pm'ed you for further discussion, so it's out of this channel12:25
head_victimWell I have to trundle, thanks everyone for contributing and I look forward to seeing progression.12:32
* gorilla salutes head_victim 12:33
head_victimgorilla: good to see you volunteering as well ;)12:34
head_victim(wiki page update)12:34
gorillahead_victim: the wiki page update was the reason that i was quiet during the meeting.12:35
darkroseoh wow nisshh, could you have made that mailing list post sound any more like you're a bratty child upset 'coz he didn't get his way?12:45
nisshhdarkrose, no, i was saying that i refuse to partake in any issues and i will no longer bring any issues up because its clear people dont want stuff fixed12:48
nisshhobviously no one is replying because you all agree i shouldnt12:48
sagacieh, looked like i missed a decent meeting12:49
darkrosenisshh: it's not broken, therefore it won't get fixed12:49
nisshhdarkrose, i dont care about myself in all of this, im doing it for the loco, but evidently everyone else just likes shitting on my face about issues that are important and need sorting out12:49
nisshhsagaci, you didnt miss anything dude :)12:49
head_victimelky: that really large version of the business card is probably a good poster idea actually btw. I might steal it for that (unless you want to make it even bigger? Thinking A3 or A2 size)17:00
elkyhead_victim, what poster size? that was an au/nz biz card canvas23:16
head_victimelky: from comments last night I thought one of the links you did was accidentally done on a larger size.23:33
elkyno, the cards were susceptible to being ruined by printers need for bleed23:36
head_victimAh sorry misunderstood then23:36
head_victimI was just looking at it full screen thinking it was quite an informative way of displaying team info, even at a large size23:37

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