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| makdt | hi, | 05:22 |
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| makdt | how do i submit a report for what I think is a bug in Kubuntu/Ubuntu? | 05:22 |
| micahg | makdt: ubuntu-bug | 05:23 |
| makdt | which is another channel? | 05:24 |
| micahg | makdt: no, a utility | 05:24 |
| makdt | ah ok thanks. I saw link at the top of the page. Will try that first | 05:24 |
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| gtriderxc | will anyone help a neewbie??:-) | 11:48 |
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| ElPasmo | hi, will the bugsquad meeting be now here? | 16:58 |
| pedro_ | i think so , it says 1700 UTC | 17:00 |
| ElPasmo | great, thanks pedro_ | 17:01 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, are you chairing the meeting? the wiki says so :-P | 17:01 |
| c2tarun | anyone here? | 17:12 |
| yofel | c2tarun: we're searching for hggdh | 17:12 |
| c2tarun | ok :) | 17:12 |
| hggdh | oh | 17:13 |
| hggdh | sorry, busy | 17:13 |
| hggdh | so... | 17:13 |
| hggdh | #startmeeting | 17:13 |
| hggdh | hellooooo | 17:13 |
| pedro_ | hi there! | 17:13 |
| gtriderxc | 8 | 17:13 |
| hggdh | where's the bot? | 17:13 |
| ElPasmo | hi there :) | 17:13 |
| c2tarun | busy too .. :P | 17:13 |
| yofel | mistook the 1 in the date for a 2 and went on vacation too early | 17:14 |
| hggdh | OK. The meeting is officially started (late, though, sorry). The bot does not seem to be here | 17:14 |
| hggdh | first, on the actions from the previous meetings | 17:15 |
| hggdh | er. This does not seem to be correct, but there I go: | 17:15 |
| hggdh | 1. Bug Day to be created for regression-potential tags | 17:16 |
| hggdh | did we not already discuss this? | 17:16 |
| pedro_ | i think we already did that, yes | 17:16 |
| hggdh | heh. So the agenda is out-of-date... at least for the "previous meetings" | 17:17 |
| hggdh | so let's jump over to Mentorship programme update | 17:17 |
| pedro_ | it was ran on 2010 10 21 | 17:17 |
| * charlie-tca waves | 17:18 | |
| hggdh | mentors -- please update on status | 17:18 |
| hggdh | from my side: ojap is slowly going on | 17:19 |
| hggdh | pedro_, vish, charlie-tca, yofel, & co: any updates on mentorship | 17:20 |
| hggdh | ? | 17:20 |
| * yofel isn't a mentor | 17:20 | |
| pedro_ | as in now , i don't have any student | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | I am going to have the logo images broken down for us | 17:20 |
| * hggdh considers yofel *should* be one ;-) | 17:20 | |
| charlie-tca | I have no mentees | 17:20 |
| pedro_ | yeah yofel, definitely ;-) | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | +1 for yofel to have at least oen | 17:20 |
| * charlie-tca should hide now | 17:21 | |
| ElPasmo | oen? | 17:21 |
| pedro_ | heh | 17:21 |
| * yofel hides and put's on an invisibility cape before anything more happens.. | 17:21 | |
| pedro_ | s/oen/one ? :-) | 17:21 |
| ElPasmo | :P | 17:21 |
| hggdh | dyslexia, please pardon me | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | See, I knew you would know what I meant | 17:21 |
| hggdh | what I see: mentorship is still slow | 17:22 |
| * charlie-tca trying to use three keyboards and two mice at once again | 17:22 | |
| hggdh | mentees propose themselves, but do not really devote time | 17:22 |
| charlie-tca | Have we added people to group A yet? | 17:22 |
| hggdh | we have two there, yes | 17:23 |
| yofel | did the beginners team cooperation result in anything yet btw.? | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | Can't we add a few more to the team? | 17:23 |
| hggdh | yes, we should | 17:24 |
| hggdh | [ACTION] I will look at the pending list and add some more | 17:24 |
| hggdh | next | 17:24 |
| hggdh | nigelb to edit bugsquad headers to be similar or link to each other appropriately | 17:24 |
| pedro_ | yofel, as far as i know there's no much input on that | 17:24 |
| hggdh | nigelb: how has that gone? | 17:25 |
| ElPasmo | In fact I have a question about mentees, Should I have done some contributions before asking for a mentor or anyone can ask without any previous contribution? | 17:25 |
| nigelb | hggdh: I delayed it waiting for wiki update. NOw that the update has hit, I'll get on it. | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | ElPasmo: ask anytime you desire a mentor. Experience is not needed first | 17:25 |
| hggdh | ElPasmo: anyone can ask, as long as the pre-requisites are fulfilled | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | ElPasmo, anyone can ask for it | 17:25 |
| ElPasmo | thanks :) | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | heh | 17:25 |
| mrand | charlie-tca: check into synergy for the multiple mouse and keyboards | 17:25 |
| pedro_ | why i didn't say : no! ? | 17:26 |
| hggdh | [ACTION] nigelb to keep on with update of bug page headers | 17:26 |
| charlie-tca | mrand: on different computers with three monitors? | 17:26 |
| mrand | charlie-tca: yes | 17:26 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 17:26 |
| charlie-tca | thanks | 17:26 |
| hggdh | next: devildante to split HowToTriage page up into a simple page and an advanced page | 17:26 |
| hggdh | devildante is MIA today. Anybody knows how this is progressing? | 17:27 |
| pedro_ | i know he was working on it, but don't know the real progress as in today | 17:27 |
| pedro_ | we can ask him on the ML though | 17:27 |
| hggdh | yes | 17:27 |
| hggdh | [ACTION] check with devildante about the split on basic/advanced HowToTriage | 17:28 |
| hggdh | and before I forget | 17:28 |
| hggdh | [ACTION] find out what happened with the meetingcology bot | 17:29 |
| pedro_ | indeed | 17:29 |
| hggdh | now | 17:29 |
| hggdh | GNOME3 bug handling -- micahg | 17:29 |
| hggdh | micahg: please take over | 17:29 |
| hggdh | heh. micahg seems to be here only physically, mind elsewhere | 17:30 |
| hggdh | so | 17:31 |
| hggdh | Open Discussions. | 17:31 |
| micahg | ok, sorry | 17:31 |
| hggdh | micahg: please go on | 17:31 |
| hggdh | :-) | 17:31 |
| hggdh | micahg: I did the same just a few ago | 17:31 |
| micahg | so, the desktop team would like a way to tag bugs for the GNOME3 transition, most of it won't happy until natty+1, but they would like to be able to track bugs against their GNOME3 staging PPA | 17:32 |
| micahg | I wanted to propose a GNOME3 tag to be official at least for the next 2 cycles, how does everyone feel about that | 17:32 |
| hggdh | only one tag? | 17:33 |
| micahg | do we need more? | 17:33 |
| pedro_ | what for you'd need more? | 17:33 |
| hggdh | IDK, I am not familiar with the desktop effort on Gnome3 | 17:33 |
| seb128 | there is nothing specific there | 17:34 |
| bdmurray | a gnome3 tag works for me | 17:34 |
| seb128 | rather than landing the usual GNOME updates to natty we use a ppa | 17:34 |
| seb128 | we might decide to move the ppa to natty if it's ready | 17:34 |
| seb128 | otherwise it will land in natty+1 | 17:34 |
| seb128 | it's just that we are not confident yet that GNOME3 will be ready for natty | 17:34 |
| hggdh | OK. So bugs on the Gnome3 PPA are valid Ubuntu bugs -- folks, please do not forget this | 17:35 |
| seb128 | well, they are valid but not targetting natty so far | 17:35 |
| seb128 | so the same settings might not apply | 17:35 |
| seb128 | they should not show on the r-t list | 17:35 |
| seb128 | or the rc bugs listing | 17:36 |
| hggdh | seb128: the warning was mostly due to the fact that PPA-based bugs usually are not accepted | 17:36 |
| hggdh | seb128: so no targeting/milestoning these bugs, correct? | 17:36 |
| seb128 | yeah, I'm still not sure we want to accept bugs about upstream issues | 17:36 |
| seb128 | we do want bugs about distribution integrations issues though | 17:36 |
| seb128 | or patches to updates | 17:37 |
| yofel | seb128: can't you have your own project for that bugs like kubuntu-ppa does? | 17:37 |
| seb128 | seems suboptimal | 17:37 |
| yofel | you'll need an apport hook anyway since they're ppa packages | 17:37 |
| hggdh | there is that, yes | 17:37 |
| seb128 | not sure we want apport bugs | 17:38 |
| yofel | and if you add a hook, then you can make to hook add the gnome3 tag | 17:38 |
| yofel | s/to/the/ | 17:38 |
| hggdh | seb128: it sounds to me that you expect most of these bugs to be opened by developers or "official" testers, is this correct? | 17:39 |
| hggdh | i.e. manually opening them | 17:39 |
| Pici | w/22 | 17:39 |
| Pici | sorry. | 17:39 |
| seb128 | hggdh, well micahg raised the topic | 17:40 |
| seb128 | I didn't think about it yet | 17:40 |
| seb128 | but we don't want to be spammed with upstream bugs | 17:40 |
| njin | hello to all, does we have a 2.6.37 kernel-pae ? | 17:40 |
| seb128 | we just want to know about integration issues | 17:40 |
| hggdh | njin: please wait a bit, in the middle of a meeting | 17:40 |
| micahg | hggdh: I would think mostly yes, but some things like gnome-shell will only be in the PPA unless GNOME3 lands, so we might get some users as well | 17:41 |
| hggdh | OK. Would it be fair to say, then, that we are adding the gnome3 tag, and details on how to deal with the _triaging_ will be ironed out later? | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | If we at least get them tagged for gnome3, the ones that are not ours, someone who knows the package could delete, couldn't they? | 17:41 |
| hggdh | sounds plausible, charlie-tca. But I worry about triagers doing the Wrong Thing | 17:42 |
| seb128 | hggdh, well we can start by adding the tag and see how it goes | 17:43 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if we want the topic to reflect that as well | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ups | 17:43 |
| seb128 | topic -> title | 17:43 |
| seb128 | so those bugs are spotted easily from a bug list | 17:44 |
| hggdh | micahg, seb128: how about adding the tag to the official list, and adding a note on the HowToTriage asking to leave these bugs alone right now? | 17:44 |
| charlie-tca | If the tag is added to the tags page, it can explain what is happening with it | 17:44 |
| seb128 | hggdh, works for me | 17:44 |
| micahg | wfm, too | 17:45 |
| seb128 | we can tweak later when required | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | and, of course, there will be hundreds of bugs we get questions about :-) | 17:45 |
| seb128 | or if required | 17:45 |
| hggdh | seb128: a [GNOME3] in the title would make is immediately visible | 17:45 |
| seb128 | yes | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | I like that | 17:45 |
| njin | yes | 17:45 |
| hggdh | and, since right now they would have to be entered manually (no apport hook), this limits the number of probable OPs | 17:46 |
| hggdh | these pretty much know what to do | 17:46 |
| hggdh | How will update the tag list? | 17:46 |
| hggdh | /How/who/ | 17:47 |
| bdmurray | I will | 17:47 |
| hggdh | [ACTION] bdmurray to add 'gnome3' as an official (temporary) tag, with a comment to leave these bugs alone for now | 17:48 |
| hggdh | anything else on GNOME3? | 17:48 |
| micahg | thanks hggdh, bdmurray, seb128 | 17:48 |
| hggdh | OK | 17:49 |
| hggdh | Open Discussion | 17:49 |
| hggdh | anyone would like to share/comment/ask anything related to triaging? | 17:49 |
| hggdh | <dead silence ensues/> | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | o/ | 17:50 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: please go ahead | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | Launchpad is having a 2010BugJam | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | They would like to close 6500 bugs | 17:50 |
| hggdh | oooohhhh | 17:50 |
| hggdh | OOOOHHHH | 17:50 |
| hggdh | when? | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | https://dev.launchpad.net/BugJam | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | now | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | 13th-24th December 2010 | 17:51 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: I believe those are launchpad project bugs :) | 17:51 |
| ElPasmo | Is tomorrow a class at #ubuntu-classroom about Basic Triaging at 17:00 UTC? | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | Does that mean we can't help? | 17:51 |
| hggdh | but important to us also ;-) | 17:52 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no, it only means it's tangentially related ;) | 17:52 |
| hggdh | ElPasmo: I think yes | 17:52 |
| * micahg thought it was today | 17:52 | |
| charlie-tca | I thought the class was today? | 17:52 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: on the 15th | 17:52 |
| micahg | well, calendar says tomorrow, but I thought it was today | 17:52 |
| charlie-tca | Isn't that where devildante is today? | 17:53 |
| micahg | Yeah, I think the wrong date was entered | 17:53 |
| ElPasmo | oh no... I've missed it :( | 17:53 |
| yofel | classroom is dead silent though | 17:53 |
| hggdh | yes, nothing happening there | 17:54 |
| hggdh | and, on the Fridge calendar, it is scheduled for tomorrow | 17:54 |
| hggdh | so... | 17:55 |
| hggdh | ElPasmo: it is indeed tomorrow, I guess ;-) | 17:55 |
| ElPasmo | Well, and excuse my ignorance, but I suppose that the mentoring processs you talked before is the motu mentoring process? | 17:55 |
| ElPasmo | Thanks hggdh | 17:55 |
| hggdh | ElPasmo: no, not at all | 17:55 |
| hggdh | we deal with *triaging*, not with packaging/development | 17:56 |
| hggdh | although a lot of us also do that | 17:56 |
| ElPasmo | I see, Are they incompatible? | 17:56 |
| hggdh | not incompatible, just two completely different things | 17:56 |
| hggdh | MOTUs also do triaging | 17:57 |
| hggdh | but not necessarily triagers do packaging/developing | 17:57 |
| ElPasmo | Can you point me a link with the bugsquad mentoring? | 17:57 |
| yofel | ElPasmo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors | 17:57 |
| ElPasmo | thanks :) | 17:57 |
| hggdh | any other questions? | 17:58 |
| hggdh | given the silence... | 17:59 |
| hggdh | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| hggdh | and yes, I know the bot is not there ;-) | 17:59 |
| hggdh | uffff | 17:59 |
| hggdh | sorry for the delay again, folks | 17:59 |
| ElPasmo | You have finished just in time :P | 17:59 |
| hggdh | well, I started it late also... | 18:00 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for chairing, hggdh | 18:01 |
| charlie-tca | You done good! | 18:01 |
| hggdh | oh | 18:05 |
| hggdh | I forgot! | 18:05 |
| hggdh | Who will be the next chair... I will take it again | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, I got caught by that in the qa meetings | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | chaired for two meetings in a row | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | hggdh: add it to the agenda this time? | 18:09 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: well, now you are asking for a LOT ;-) | 18:09 |
| hggdh | I will do it, of course | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | heh, Just seemed like an idea ;-) | 18:09 |
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| ScottK | Someone who looks after standard bug replies might want to look at the "sync request process" thread that just started on ubuntu-devel-discuss. | 19:53 |
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| hggdh | ScottK: thank you for the heads up | 20:07 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 20:08 |
| hggdh | sigh. An over-entusiastic triager... we recommend sync/merge *not* to be touched by triagers... | 20:19 |
| Aqua | Help, I think I submitted a bug in a wrong category, or how do you call it | 20:25 |
| Aqua | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/690334 | 20:25 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 690334 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Some special keys Microsoft Digital Media Keyboard 3000 don't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 20:25 |
| Aqua | how do I transfer it to the general ubuntu bug queue? | 20:26 |
| Aqua | or just tell me what the fuck I have to do | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | Aqua: it is already in the general queue. | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | Please watch your language in this channel and keep it family friendly | 20:28 |
| Aqua | yes, but it is not supposed to be in release notes for Ubuntu I think | 20:28 |
| Aqua | lol | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | fixed | 20:29 |
| Aqua | charlie-tca : you put the status on invalid, that's all it takes? | 20:30 |
| Aqua | thanks | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 20:30 |
| njin | Problem in download page, iot refere to click the button to download the latest version, but iut will download 10.04.1 bug 690229, at wich assign ? thanks | 21:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 690229 in ubuntu "wrong wubi on Ubuntu download page (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690229 | 21:10 |
| yofel | njin: close the ubuntu taks and open a task for the 'ubuntu-website' project | 21:21 |
| yofel | *task | 21:21 |
| njin | yofel:thanks | 21:28 |
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