[05:22] <makdt> hi,
[05:22] <makdt> how do i submit a report for what I think is a bug in Kubuntu/Ubuntu?
[05:23] <micahg> makdt: ubuntu-bug
[05:24] <makdt> which is another channel?
[05:24] <micahg> makdt: no, a utility
[05:24] <makdt> ah ok thanks. I saw link at the top of the page. Will try that first
[11:48] <gtriderxc> will anyone help a neewbie??:-)
[16:58] <ElPasmo> hi, will the bugsquad meeting be now here?
[17:00] <pedro_> i think so , it says 1700 UTC
[17:01] <ElPasmo> great, thanks pedro_
[17:01] <pedro_> hggdh, are you chairing the meeting? the wiki says so :-P
[17:12] <c2tarun> anyone here?
[17:12] <yofel> c2tarun: we're searching for hggdh
[17:12] <c2tarun> ok :)
[17:13] <hggdh> oh
[17:13] <hggdh> sorry, busy
[17:13] <hggdh> so...
[17:13] <hggdh> #startmeeting
[17:13] <hggdh> hellooooo
[17:13] <pedro_> hi there!
[17:13] <gtriderxc> 8
[17:13] <hggdh> where's the bot?
[17:13] <ElPasmo> hi there :)
[17:13] <c2tarun> busy too .. :P
[17:14] <yofel> mistook the 1 in the date for a 2 and went on vacation too early
[17:14] <hggdh> OK. The meeting is officially started (late, though, sorry). The bot does not seem to be here
[17:15] <hggdh> first, on the actions from the previous meetings
[17:15] <hggdh> er. This does not seem to be correct, but there I go:
[17:16] <hggdh> 1. Bug Day to be created for regression-potential tags
[17:16] <hggdh> did we not already discuss this?
[17:16] <pedro_> i think we already did that, yes
[17:17] <hggdh> heh. So the agenda is out-of-date... at least for the "previous meetings"
[17:17] <hggdh> so let's jump over to Mentorship programme update
[17:17] <pedro_> it was ran on 2010 10 21
[17:18]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:18] <hggdh> mentors -- please update on status
[17:19] <hggdh> from my side: ojap is slowly going on
[17:20] <hggdh> pedro_, vish, charlie-tca, yofel, & co: any updates on mentorship
[17:20] <hggdh> ?
[17:20]  * yofel isn't a mentor
[17:20] <pedro_> as in now , i don't have any student
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I am going to have the logo images broken down for us
[17:20]  * hggdh considers yofel *should* be one ;-)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I have no mentees
[17:20] <pedro_> yeah yofel, definitely ;-)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> +1 for yofel to have at least oen
[17:21]  * charlie-tca should hide now
[17:21] <ElPasmo> oen?
[17:21] <pedro_> heh
[17:21]  * yofel hides and put's on an invisibility cape before anything more happens..
[17:21] <pedro_> s/oen/one ? :-)
[17:21] <ElPasmo> :P
[17:21] <hggdh> dyslexia, please pardon me
[17:21] <charlie-tca> See, I knew you would know what I meant
[17:22] <hggdh> what I see: mentorship is still slow
[17:22]  * charlie-tca trying to use three keyboards and two mice at once again
[17:22] <hggdh> mentees propose themselves, but do not really devote time
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Have we added people to group A yet?
[17:23] <hggdh> we have two there, yes
[17:23] <yofel> did the beginners team cooperation result in anything yet btw.?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Can't we add a few more to the team?
[17:24] <hggdh> yes, we should
[17:24] <hggdh> [ACTION] I will look at the pending list and add some more
[17:24] <hggdh> next
[17:24] <hggdh> nigelb to edit bugsquad headers to be similar or link to each other appropriately
[17:24] <pedro_> yofel, as far as i know there's no much input on that
[17:25] <hggdh> nigelb: how has that gone?
[17:25] <ElPasmo> In fact I have a question about mentees, Should I have done some contributions before asking for a mentor or anyone can ask without any previous contribution?
[17:25] <nigelb> hggdh: I delayed it waiting for wiki update.  NOw that the update has hit, I'll get on it.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> ElPasmo: ask anytime you desire a mentor. Experience is not needed first
[17:25] <hggdh> ElPasmo: anyone can ask, as long as the pre-requisites are fulfilled
[17:25] <pedro_> ElPasmo, anyone can ask for it
[17:25] <ElPasmo> thanks :)
[17:25] <pedro_> heh
[17:25] <mrand> charlie-tca: check into synergy for the multiple mouse and keyboards
[17:26] <pedro_> why i didn't say : no! ?
[17:26] <hggdh> [ACTION] nigelb to keep on with update of bug page headers
[17:26] <charlie-tca> mrand: on different computers with three monitors?
[17:26] <mrand> charlie-tca: yes
[17:26] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:26] <charlie-tca> thanks
[17:26] <hggdh> next: devildante to split HowToTriage page up into a simple page and an advanced page
[17:27] <hggdh> devildante is MIA today. Anybody knows how this is progressing?
[17:27] <pedro_> i know he was working on it, but don't know the real progress as in today
[17:27] <pedro_> we can ask him on the ML though
[17:27] <hggdh> yes
[17:28] <hggdh> [ACTION] check with devildante about the split on basic/advanced HowToTriage
[17:28] <hggdh> and before I forget
[17:29] <hggdh> [ACTION] find out what happened with the meetingcology bot
[17:29] <pedro_> indeed
[17:29] <hggdh> now
[17:29] <hggdh> GNOME3 bug handling -- micahg
[17:29] <hggdh> micahg: please take over
[17:30] <hggdh> heh. micahg seems to be here only physically, mind elsewhere
[17:31] <hggdh> so
[17:31] <hggdh> Open Discussions.
[17:31] <micahg> ok, sorry
[17:31] <hggdh> micahg: please go on
[17:31] <hggdh> :-)
[17:31] <hggdh> micahg: I did the same just a few ago
[17:32] <micahg> so, the desktop team would like a way to tag bugs for the GNOME3 transition, most of it won't happy until natty+1, but they would like to be able to track bugs against their GNOME3 staging PPA
[17:32] <micahg> I wanted to propose a GNOME3 tag to be official at least for the next 2 cycles, how does everyone feel about that
[17:33] <hggdh> only one tag?
[17:33] <micahg> do we need more?
[17:33] <pedro_> what for you'd need more?
[17:33] <hggdh> IDK, I am not familiar with the desktop effort on Gnome3
[17:34] <seb128> there is nothing specific there
[17:34] <bdmurray> a gnome3 tag works for me
[17:34] <seb128> rather than landing the usual GNOME updates to natty we use a ppa
[17:34] <seb128> we might decide to move the ppa to natty if it's ready
[17:34] <seb128> otherwise it will land in natty+1
[17:34] <seb128> it's just that we are not confident yet that GNOME3 will be ready for natty
[17:35] <hggdh> OK. So bugs on the Gnome3 PPA are valid Ubuntu bugs -- folks, please do not forget this
[17:35] <seb128> well, they are valid but not targetting natty so far
[17:35] <seb128> so the same settings might not apply
[17:35] <seb128> they should not show on the r-t list
[17:36] <seb128> or the rc bugs listing
[17:36] <hggdh> seb128: the warning was mostly due to the fact that PPA-based bugs usually are not accepted
[17:36] <hggdh> seb128: so no targeting/milestoning these bugs, correct?
[17:36] <seb128> yeah, I'm still not sure we want to accept bugs about upstream issues
[17:36] <seb128> we do want bugs about distribution integrations issues though
[17:37] <seb128> or patches to updates
[17:37] <yofel> seb128: can't you have your own project for that bugs like kubuntu-ppa does?
[17:37] <seb128> seems suboptimal
[17:37] <yofel> you'll need an apport hook anyway since they're ppa packages
[17:37] <hggdh> there is that, yes
[17:38] <seb128> not sure we want apport bugs
[17:38] <yofel> and if you add a hook, then you can make to hook add the gnome3 tag
[17:38] <yofel> s/to/the/
[17:39] <hggdh> seb128: it sounds to me that you expect most of these bugs to be opened by developers or "official" testers, is this correct?
[17:39] <hggdh> i.e. manually opening them
[17:39] <Pici> w/22
[17:39] <Pici> sorry.
[17:40] <seb128> hggdh, well micahg raised the topic
[17:40] <seb128> I didn't think about it yet
[17:40] <seb128> but we don't want to be spammed with upstream bugs
[17:40] <njin> hello to all, does we have a 2.6.37 kernel-pae ?
[17:40] <seb128> we just want to know about integration issues
[17:40] <hggdh> njin: please wait a bit, in the middle of a meeting
[17:41] <micahg> hggdh: I would think mostly yes, but some things like gnome-shell will only be in the PPA unless GNOME3 lands, so we might get some users as well
[17:41] <hggdh> OK. Would it be fair to say, then, that we are adding the gnome3 tag, and details on how to deal with the _triaging_ will be ironed out later?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> If we at least get them tagged for gnome3, the ones that are not ours, someone who knows the package could delete, couldn't they?
[17:42] <hggdh> sounds plausible, charlie-tca. But I worry about triagers doing the Wrong Thing
[17:43] <seb128> hggdh, well we can start by adding the tag and see how it goes
[17:43] <seb128> I'm wondering if we want the topic to reflect that as well
[17:43] <seb128> ups
[17:43] <seb128> topic -> title
[17:44] <seb128> so those bugs are spotted easily from a bug list
[17:44] <hggdh> micahg, seb128: how about adding the tag to the official list, and adding a note on the HowToTriage asking to leave these bugs alone right now?
[17:44] <charlie-tca> If the tag is added to the tags page, it can explain what is happening with it
[17:44] <seb128> hggdh, works for me
[17:45] <micahg> wfm, too
[17:45] <seb128> we can tweak later when required
[17:45] <charlie-tca> and, of course, there will be hundreds of bugs we get questions about :-)
[17:45] <seb128> or if required
[17:45] <hggdh> seb128: a [GNOME3] in the title would make is immediately visible
[17:45] <seb128> yes
[17:45] <charlie-tca> I like that
[17:45] <njin> yes
[17:46] <hggdh> and, since right now they would have to be entered manually (no apport hook), this limits the number of probable OPs
[17:46] <hggdh> these pretty much know what to do
[17:46] <hggdh> How will update the tag list?
[17:47] <hggdh> /How/who/
[17:47] <bdmurray> I will
[17:48] <hggdh> [ACTION] bdmurray to add 'gnome3' as an official (temporary) tag, with a comment to leave these bugs alone for now
[17:48] <hggdh> anything else on GNOME3?
[17:48] <micahg> thanks hggdh, bdmurray, seb128
[17:49] <hggdh> OK
[17:49] <hggdh> Open Discussion
[17:49] <hggdh> anyone would like to share/comment/ask anything related to triaging?
[17:50] <hggdh> <dead silence ensues/>
[17:50] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:50] <hggdh> charlie-tca: please go ahead
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Launchpad is having a 2010BugJam
[17:50] <charlie-tca> They would like to close 6500 bugs
[17:50] <hggdh> oooohhhh
[17:50] <hggdh> OOOOHHHH
[17:50] <hggdh> when?
[17:50] <charlie-tca> https://dev.launchpad.net/BugJam
[17:50] <charlie-tca> now
[17:51] <charlie-tca> 13th-24th December 2010
[17:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: I believe those are launchpad project bugs :)
[17:51] <ElPasmo> Is tomorrow a class at #ubuntu-classroom about Basic Triaging at 17:00 UTC?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Does that mean we can't help?
[17:52] <hggdh> but important to us also ;-)
[17:52] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, it only means it's tangentially related ;)
[17:52] <hggdh> ElPasmo: I think yes
[17:52]  * micahg thought it was today
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I thought the class was today?
[17:52] <hggdh> charlie-tca: on the 15th
[17:52] <micahg> well, calendar says tomorrow, but I thought it was today
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Isn't that where devildante is today?
[17:53] <micahg> Yeah, I think the wrong date was entered
[17:53] <ElPasmo> oh no... I've missed it :(
[17:53] <yofel> classroom is dead silent though
[17:54] <hggdh> yes, nothing happening there
[17:54] <hggdh> and, on the Fridge calendar, it is scheduled for tomorrow
[17:55] <hggdh> so...
[17:55] <hggdh> ElPasmo: it is indeed tomorrow, I guess ;-)
[17:55] <ElPasmo> Well, and excuse my ignorance, but I  suppose that the mentoring processs you talked before is the motu mentoring process?
[17:55] <ElPasmo> Thanks hggdh
[17:55] <hggdh> ElPasmo: no, not at all
[17:56] <hggdh> we deal with *triaging*, not with packaging/development
[17:56] <hggdh> although a lot of us also do that
[17:56] <ElPasmo> I see, Are they incompatible?
[17:56] <hggdh> not incompatible, just two completely different things
[17:57] <hggdh> MOTUs also do triaging
[17:57] <hggdh> but not necessarily triagers do packaging/developing
[17:57] <ElPasmo> Can you point me a link with the bugsquad mentoring?
[17:57] <yofel> ElPasmo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[17:57] <ElPasmo> thanks :)
[17:58] <hggdh> any other questions?
[17:59] <hggdh> given the silence...
[17:59] <hggdh> #endmeeting
[17:59] <hggdh> and yes, I know the bot is not there ;-)
[17:59] <hggdh> uffff
[17:59] <hggdh> sorry for the delay again, folks
[17:59] <ElPasmo> You have finished just in time :P
[18:00] <hggdh> well, I started it late also...
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks for chairing, hggdh
[18:01] <charlie-tca> You done good!
[18:05] <hggdh> oh
[18:05] <hggdh> I forgot!
[18:06] <hggdh> Who will be the next chair... I will take it again
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got caught by that in the qa meetings
[18:07] <charlie-tca> chaired for two meetings in a row
[18:09] <charlie-tca> hggdh: add it to the agenda this time?
[18:09] <hggdh> charlie-tca: well, now you are asking for a LOT ;-)
[18:09] <hggdh> I will do it, of course
[18:09] <charlie-tca> heh, Just seemed like an idea ;-)
[19:53] <ScottK> Someone who looks after standard bug replies might want to look at the "sync request process" thread that just started on ubuntu-devel-discuss.
[20:07] <hggdh> ScottK: thank you for the heads up
[20:08] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[20:19] <hggdh> sigh. An over-entusiastic triager... we recommend sync/merge *not* to be touched by triagers...
[20:25] <Aqua> Help, I think I submitted a bug in a wrong category, or how do you call it
[20:25] <Aqua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/690334
[20:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690334 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Some special keys Microsoft Digital Media Keyboard 3000 don't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:26] <Aqua> how do I transfer it to the general ubuntu bug queue?
[20:26] <Aqua> or just tell me what the fuck I have to do
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Aqua: it is already in the general queue.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Please watch your language in this channel and keep it family friendly
[20:28] <Aqua> yes, but it is not supposed to be in release notes for Ubuntu I think
[20:28] <Aqua> lol
[20:29] <charlie-tca> fixed
[20:30] <Aqua> charlie-tca :  you put the status on invalid, that's all it takes?
[20:30] <Aqua> thanks
[20:30] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:10] <njin> Problem in download page, iot refere to click the button to download the latest version, but iut will download 10.04.1 bug 690229, at wich assign ? thanks
[21:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690229 in ubuntu "wrong wubi on Ubuntu download page (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690229
[21:21] <yofel> njin: close the ubuntu taks and open a task for the 'ubuntu-website' project
[21:21] <yofel> *task
[21:28] <njin> yofel:thanks