[00:29] what is the acl package used for? [00:29] seems useless, no package depends on it, and the package which suggests it is not installed [00:34] it's used for accessing file ACLs [00:39] ok, just removed it [00:40] if you are on a single user system, it's probably not that useful... [00:40] I have more than one user here [00:41] do you mean if I just use standard unix permissions? [00:41] it allows more fine-grained file permissions than the standard unix permissions [00:41] that package seems installed out of nothing [00:42] no one depends on it, the only one who suggests it is not installed, and acl package description is broken, non-ascii chars not properly displayed [00:42] ? [00:43] is it a translated description? [00:43] crazy! now after that I removed it and went there to c&p to you, description is fixed! [00:44] hmm no wait, it's in english now, for some reason [00:44] but was in portuguese when installed, now I install and description still remains in english [00:45] acl is quite useful in troubleshooting sound bugs, actually [00:46] crimsun: interesting, I was having trouble to hear that sound when you log in, I accidentally fixed it by deleting ~/.pulse which had some links to /tmp inside, so I guessed it was some permission issue [00:47] JanC: maybe this and the sound issue, and other issues, are related to not having done a clean install since a long time [00:47] that's a pulse bug, yes, and it's somewhat difficult to trace [00:47] JanC: I have been upgrading since a few years [00:48] RenatoSilva: the 'acl' package only contains the command line tools for POSIX ACL support [00:48] you still have the libraries and kernel components installed... [00:48] ok [00:49] I have had some trouble trying to clean my system from useless packages you know [00:49] I haven't installed this system since 2006 or 2007 either ;) [00:49] apt-get autoremove does some job, system > admin > maintainer too, gtkorphaned too, but that's not enougth [00:50] well the maintainer just does the same as autoremove it seems [00:50] "maintainer"? [00:51] I guess that's Computer Janitor? [00:51] Mantenedor do sistema in portuguese, I guess it's "System maintainer" under System > Admin menu [00:51] http://images.tothetech.com/2009/07/ubuntu-menu-computer-janitor.jpg [00:52] that's it, janitor [00:52] janitor does more than only autoremove [00:52] but autoremove is one part of it [00:52] example of gtkorphan not being enough: there's a check which shows hpricot which is a ruby lib I actually need [00:53] and when libtool was installed, it wasn't showing in the list (when you check the show all not only libs option) [00:53] JanC: yeah I just mean about the useless packages, in that case janitor is the same as autoremove [00:54] it's not always possible for the computer to know what you still need [00:54] or not [00:54] so now I need to manually guess, package by package, which ones are not dependency of some other one, then look at package description and name, and decide to purge or not. A lot of fun :) [00:55] oh gtkorphan also lists ubunt-desktop, and *itself* o.O [00:55] do you use aptitude sometimes? [00:56] apt-get sometimes, aptitude not so much [00:56] mostly I don't use aptitude, but apt-get [00:56] I'd suggest you don't mix aptitude with other apt tools [00:57] because it keeps it's own, different database of packages that were installed on purpose vs. as a dependency [00:57] I just think there should be a command telling the packages which were manually installed and are not dependency of no other package (end-user apps etc). This way we could know all packages that were (in theory) installed by the users, so we can clean the system (I think I probably have a lot of useless packages still installed but I have no easy way to figure out what they are) [00:58] I think I have never installed or removed anything with aptitude [00:58] I'm using today for 'why package', I remember using it some time ago but I think it wasn't for [un]installing [01:03] thanks all anyway [01:54] my natty netbook seems to have lost netbook. when i choose 'ubuntu desktop edition' in gdm, i get an empty screen. are there some directories i can just remove to reset, or is this expected at the moment? [01:55] (i can control-alt-t to get a terminal, and compiz is running - but no panels or anything) [01:57] oh and i can log into 'classic desktop' just fine. so is 'ubuntu desktop edition' supposed to work? [02:13] hallyn_: yes, if your video card supports it [02:13] It has to have enough onboard memory, openGL, and 3d support === asac_ is now known as asac [03:46] how about finger, is it an important package? I'm about to purge it [03:46] not really ;) [03:50] thanks, how about humanity-theme x human-theme? about to purge the latter [03:51] sorry it's humanity-icon-theme [03:51] but human-theme shows as orphan in deboprhan [03:51] *deborphan [03:52] RenatoSilva: these sound like support questions [03:54] micahg: sorry #ubuntu is often useless [03:54] but thanks all === chris|| is now known as chris| [07:44] Good morning [09:05] hey [09:05] hey seb128 [09:06] lut didrocks [09:06] hey seb128 [09:06] hey pitti [09:07] how are you? [09:07] my cold now is pretty bad :/ [09:08] * didrocks hugs pitti [09:08] take care [09:09] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:37] heh [09:38] pitti, you didn't wait for me to remind you about the reminder! [09:38] ;-) [09:39] seb128 is sooooo disapointed :) [09:40] seb128: je suis desolat [09:40] (if only I'd know how to spell that) [09:41] désolé [09:41] ;-) === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === soren_ is now known as soren === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:02] didrocks: Hey unity seems a bit broken this morning on natty is there a workaround at all? [12:11] davmor2: hey, how broken? [12:13] didrocks: no top bar, no app launcher, just looking at the .xsession-errors now. [12:13] davmor2: are you up-to-date with dbusmenu and all indicators? [12:14] didrocks: apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade is showing no updates available [12:14] davmor2: ok, do you have compiz starting at least? [12:15] davmor2: you should try resetting your settings (unity --reset) [12:17] didrocks: that's done it thanks :) [12:17] davmor2: nice :) [12:36] didrocks: now I have a desktop but no updates so I have videod Ubuntu One with a similar issue until there are some updates to install :) bug #689929 [12:36] Launchpad bug 689929 in unity (Ubuntu) "Update managers Apply Settings window doesn't trigger unity's smarthide (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689929 [12:36] davmor2: seems that the upload isn't finished yet :) [12:37] didrocks: no worries you'll at least understand what is happening I hope :) [12:37] davmor2: just ping me once your file upload is finished [12:38] oh [12:38] davmor2: it's ok now, I get it (some proxy cache issue?) [12:38] :) [12:41] hmmm, trying to figure out which bit of the indicator stack goes where is a real pain :/ [12:41] too many indicator projects, all with pretty much the same name! [12:41] lol [12:41] indeed [12:42] I've been trying to push people to make a clear description of the dx components and what they do [12:42] i think the letters "i", "n", "d", "c", "t" and "a" are burned in to my retina's now ;) [12:42] chrisccoulson, https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00050.html === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:43] yeah, something like that would be useful :) [12:43] all i'm trying to do is figure out how to tell firefox when someone clicks on a menu item, and it's pretty hard working out where to look ;) [12:46] davmor2: pretty clear, thanks! [12:49] *phew*, there -- debconf GNOME backend without libgnome2-perl [12:52] pitti, great work! [13:03] hi pitti, a quick question that's come up in the translators list while testing the maverick langpacks: if someone has got the langpacks PPA enabled, do the langpacks in maverick-proposed take precedence and get installed? [13:04] dpm, the newest version get installed [13:04] what version are in the ppa and in the proposed update? [13:05] hey seb128. They're both the same version, that's why I'm asking, as I'm not sure what happens in that case [13:05] does it matter? [13:05] if they are the same version they should be the same content? [13:06] check with mvo but I don't think it's a fixed order if you have the same version in different sources [13:07] dpm, the proposed updates a pocket copy from the ppa no? [13:07] you're right, it does not matter, but the question came up, and I wasn't sure what to answer. So I take it if they're both the same version one does not take precedence over the other, i.e. if the langpack from the ppa is installed, the one with the same version in maverick-proposed will not be installed [13:07] seb128, yes, it's a copy [13:08] I would think that if the checksum is the same for both there is no reason it would be reinstalled [13:08] but check with mvo to be sure [13:08] mvo, if you are around and you've got a minute, here's a question for you ^^ :) [13:10] pitti, if that is the case, could you disable the next ppa langpack scheduled for tomorrow until testing has finished? Otherwise people might be testing a newer langpack if it is built tomorrow in the ppa [13:32] hmm, getting python 2.7 on dist-upgrade [13:32] is my natty about to break into a million small pieces? === almaisan` is now known as al-maisan [13:39] didrocks, my unity won't come up anymore. I remember seeing some chatter about unity being broken right now? [13:39] mterry: you should reset your config, unity --reset [13:40] it's a allscreens/screen0 issue [13:41] didrocks, oh, OK [13:41] didrocks, yay [13:41] mterry: yeah, there were some renaming leftover [13:42] dpm: hi, if they are exactly the same version then nothing will happen but they really need to be same version and same content. but if that is the case, the maverick-proposed one is not installed (as there is no reason to do that) [13:43] mvo, great, that's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks! [13:43] yw! [13:46] didrocks, hello [13:47] didrocks, I just did a dist-upgrade, compiz is running, but there's no sign of Unity [13:49] rickspencer3, he just told me the fix above: unity --reset [13:49] * rickspencer3 tries [13:49] mterry, thanks [13:50] * bcurtiswx waves to channel [13:50] seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/vte/ubuntugtk3/+merge/43642 [13:50] * mterry waves back at bcurtiswx [13:50] seb128, (I don't have upload rights for vte) [13:51] rickspencer3: did it fix it? [13:52] didrocks, yes [13:52] hey mterry [13:52] all is well [13:52] hey rickspencer3 [13:52] seb128, hi! :) [13:53] hi seb128 [13:59] dpm: we don't set priorities for the PPA; if you have the PPA enabled, the next weekly auto-update will supersede -proposed [14:00] dpm: disabled [14:00] pitti, ok, thanks! I'll let you know when we've finished testing to enable it again. [14:01] mterry, I've asked cjwatson if desktop can get access to vte [14:02] mterry, if that doesn't work I will sponsor it for you ;-) [14:02] seb128, k :) [14:08] charlie-tca: laptop supports it. so my .config or whateve files must have gotten corrupted. which ones are used for netbook and not classic desktop? [14:10] hallyn_: as far as I know, compiz and unity [14:10] mterry, ok, you should have rights [14:11] muhahaha [14:11] ;-) [14:11] seb128, what was the issue you had with emerillon and the new libchamplain? [14:12] cyphermox, the current archive version still use the old libchamplain which is nbs [14:12] ah, ok [14:12] charlie-tca: I see .cache/compiz-1 and .config/compizconfig1 but nothing resembling 'unity' [14:12] hallyn_, unity --reset [14:13] seb128, fair enough, I had to fix building w/ gdk-pixbuf but otherwise libchamplain-0.8 works fine... for varying versions of fine. I still can't use the map :/ === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs [14:13] cyphermox, well if "still" seems to indicate it was not working so it's something which got broken [14:14] seb128: ah, well that certainly did something, thanks :) now i just have an extra gnome-panel to get rid of. back in a flash [14:14] upload ;-) [14:24] mterry, no bonus point for you, you didn't use the -v option :p [14:24] mterry, but otherwise the vte upload worked it seems ;-) [14:24] pitti: are we not doing activity reports any more? [14:24] seb128, darn it :) [14:25] Riddell, no [14:25] Riddell: not individual ones, just interesting news from the week [14:26] seb128, mterry. libgirepository-1.0-1 reminder in the GNOME3 PPA [14:26] bcurtiswx, ah, right. The PPA [14:26] bcurtiswx, seems only gedit uses the wrong one [14:27] but the current version doesn't build with the current GTK [14:27] so a test would be to remove gedit and see if it installed [14:28] nope, it still wants to remove ubuntu-desktop. hmm [14:29] can you copy the upgrade log? [14:29] on pastbin or something [14:30] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543614/ [14:31] bcurtiswx, what is the issue with that log? [14:32] well only gedit needs a rebuild [14:32] you can sudo apt-get install gedit/natty [14:32] it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop [14:32] IS there some issue with unity ATM? I am unable to start 'Ubuntu Desktop Edition' [14:32] after an update [14:33] cdbs, did you disable the plugin in ccsm by any chance? [14:33] cdbs, try unity --reset in a terminal (ctrl+alt+t to get one) [14:33] mterry: :o will try that [14:33] bcurtiswx: I didn't open ccsm for a long time [14:33] hm, well, unity --reset from classic desktop works, but subsequent logins still fail, and then i wasn't getting my network notifier [14:33] cdbs, some gsettings path changed or something like that [14:33] (so i couldn't get on my broadband net) [14:33] hallyn_, oh, I hadn't tried logging out/in again [14:34] okay, attempt according to what mterry said [14:34] mterry: after unity --replace, is it safe to just kill gnome-pane? [14:34] why do you need that? [14:34] hallyn_, should be [14:34] well, what is the name of the network indicator? [14:34] so i can restart it? [14:34] gnome-panel should not be running under unity [14:34] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543618/ says gedit already newest version [14:35] hallyn_, nm-applet [14:35] it's running in the classic desktop, [14:35] so when i then do 'unity --reset' it stays up [14:35] hallyn_, oh you might want to log into new desktop then [14:35] oh, compiz --replace then [14:35] mterry: i thought we werent' usig applets [14:35] mterry: i might, but it hangs with a little clock cursor [14:35] mterry: pretty sure nm-applet just said it was already running [14:35] bcurtiswx, gedit=2.30.4-1ubuntu3 [14:36] then [14:36] oh maybe that was the problem, didn't shut down cleanly? [14:36] hallyn_, it doesn't use a notification-icon, but the binary is called nm-applet and shows an indicator [14:36] hm [14:36] mterry: worked [14:36] hallyn_, right. When you get that hang, press ctrl+alt+t and run unity --reset [14:36] hallyn_, not that the command is --reset not --replace [14:36] mterry: that's what i used to do until yeterday [14:36] mterry: now, it *really* hangs, and ctrl-alt-t does nothing [14:36] hallyn_, I see. didrocks ^ [14:37] hallyn_: its best to create a launcher on the desktop to start unity --reset [14:37] since ctrl+alt+t doesn't work when compiz hangs [14:37] cdbs: ? [14:37] didrocks, is unity --reset something one has to run every time? [14:37] mterry: correction, i used to do ctrl-alt-t and then run 'compiz' [14:37] hallyn_: create a launcher on your desktop [14:37] seb128, OK, to try the upgrade i'll have to manually upgrade everything instead of a dist-upgrade.. right? [14:38] mterry: no, there is an compiz upstream gconf path change [14:38] hallyn_, right. unity --reset is a one-time thing that fixes some gsettings paths that recently got migrated (is my layman's understanding). So I believe you are hitting that. but compiz --replace just restarts compiz [14:39] bcurtiswx, just apt-get upgrade [14:39] bcurtiswx, it should do the right thing [14:39] seb128, haha, it tried to upgrade gedit.. and not updating the gtk like i had hoped [14:40] ok, htanks guys - at this point i'm afraid of logging out again for fear of not being able to get back on the net, so i'll just stay put, get some work done, and try again later :) [14:40] hallyn_, :) [14:40] bcurtiswx, well just remove gedit for now [14:40] or wait for it to be rebuilt [14:41] seb128, libgirepository-1.0-1 still tries to remove ubuntu-desktop.. as far as I know i _should_ be able to upgrade the GTK's [14:41] mterry, you still use the gnome3 PPA right? [14:41] sudo apt-get install ... [14:42] just upgrade libgtk3.0-0 [14:42] bcurtiswx, no [14:42] bcurtiswx, you don't even need the ppa to use gtk3 it's in natty [14:42] seb128, OK. still gtk3.0 wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.. what can I do to narrow down whats causing that? [14:43] aptitude why-not ubuntu-desktop? [14:43] doesn't know why to remove ubuntu-desktop [14:44] comment the ppa source? [14:46] PPA completely removed, still hates ubuntu-desktop. hmm [14:46] hum [14:46] can you copy the "sudo apt-get install libgtk3.0-0" log on pastebin? [14:47] seb128, btw, I found the source of libgda4 breakage yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gobject-introspection/+bug/689821 [14:47] Launchpad bug 689821 in gobject-introspection (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Nested types should be allowed in aliases (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [14:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/543625/ [14:49] seb128, ^^ [14:50] bcurtiswx, sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-selected/natty [14:52] seb128, OK that did it. now to cherry pick updates from the GNOME3 PPA is there a sudo apt-get install */PPPA i can do ? [14:52] well just enable the ppa and sudo apt-get install [14:52] then comment the ppa again [14:52] OK [14:59] rebooting, hopefully to non-crashign nautilus [15:05] * bcurtiswx throws a mini party [15:06] ;-) [15:06] now im building empathy from source to see if im right that the new gtk fixes my empathy issues [15:08] ok === zyga is now known as zyga-food [15:13] cassidy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543639/ i'm using the gnome empathy 2.91.3, not from git source. Do you know about this? [15:14] bcurtiswx, nope [15:14] mterry, thanks for the libgda investigation [15:14] mterry, did you try asking on the upstream channel? [15:14] cassidy, OK i will file a bug [15:15] rickspencer3, is appmenu somewhere on your list of things you watch? [15:15] bcurtiswx, well check first what's the cause of the error [15:15] bcurtiswx, are these API been deprecated ? [15:15] seb128, yes [15:16] rickspencer3, ok great, it's really buggy currently and I've been trying to get dx-ers to work on some bugs since before 10.10 without success [15:16] rickspencer3, we have over 60 bugs registered [15:17] some about popular applications getting no menu at all [15:17] or menus items being missing or not working [15:17] seb128, no. glib upstream? [15:17] or doing the wrong action [15:17] mterry, rather gir guys [15:17] bcurtiswx, seems to be a webkit problem, not an empathy one [15:18] cassidy, OK thx. [15:18] hmm, where to go from here [15:18] rickspencer3, is there anything we can help to make sure we track those? [15:19] mterry, try pinged walters when he's on #gnome-hackers maybe? [15:19] seb128, ok [15:20] or ask pitti who he usually pings for gir issues ;-) [15:21] are there any webkit knowledgeable people here ? [15:21] mterry: usually I just join #introspection on irc.gnome.org [15:21] pitti, ok [15:22] bcurtiswx, seems an issue with --as-needed on natty [15:22] bcurtiswx, you can open a bug or email robert_ancell [15:22] or ping him when he's online later [15:23] seb128, OK. How did you know it was with --as-needed ? [15:24] well your pastbin is clear [15:24] "undefined reference to" [15:26] lool, thx for fixing libubuntuone! [15:27] seb128, so everytime i see "undefined reference to" i should think --as-needed ? === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:30] lool: ping [15:31] bcurtiswx, no, it's just that it doesn't use all the libraries it should [15:31] mterry, do you know how to make python look for un-installed girs [15:31] or anyone [15:31] bcurtiswx, the --as-needed just mail build stop on such errors [15:31] i think i've finally solved my menu problems for ffox now, but i need to patch indicator-appmenu, dbusmenu and unity to fix it :) [15:31] kenvandine, no, not off hand [15:31] ok [15:32] kenvandine, is there not a function or something in the gi module to set paths? [15:32] chrisccoulson, I guess you will need ted [15:32] * kenvandine will just dive in and hope to not drown [15:32] mterry, maybe, you know there is just a ton of docs [15:32] :) [15:32] seb128 - ted will have some patches to review when he gets back from vacation ;) [15:34] kenvandine, :) dir() is all the docs we get [15:34] chrisccoulson, great ;-) [15:35] mterry, yup... gotta love it, i guess [15:35] * mterry_ tests webchat [15:37] dobey: pong [15:41] lool: did debuild switch to srcdir != builddir builds recently? [15:42] dobey: No [15:42] dobey: debuild just calls dpkg-buildpackage which calls debian/rules ; it all depends on the package [15:43] dobey: In the case of libubuntuone, there are multiple builds to accomodate for various python versions (e.g. one build for python2.6, and one for 2.7 for instance) [15:44] lool: hrmm, i am just very surprised this hasn't ever broken before [15:45] dobey: this as introduced recently: [15:45] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libubuntuone/0.3.8-0ubuntu4 [15:45] * debian/rules: [15:45] - Use separate build dirs for all the builds, so that we can build ok when [15:46] different Python versions are installed (LP: #684983) [15:46] -- Rodrigo Moya Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:30:31 +0100 [15:46] dobey: this one failed to build, then ubuntu5 was fixed to build, but it actually failed to sign the .dll [15:47] right [15:49] i guess distcheck doesn't care if the dll is unsigned though [15:55] lool: do you know if there is an easy wya to check if the dll is signed properly, without building the package and trying to install it? [16:06] nm, i found something [16:07] chrisccoulson, hello, i just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/690045 [16:08] hi ricotz [16:08] chrisccoulson, does this mean the gnome3 builds (like gnome-session-daemon) wont make it into natty? [16:09] seb128, hi, ^ [16:09] pitti: Wow, that was fast. ;-) Glad that I succeeded in convincing you about the 'odd' use of the dmrc Language field. [16:09] pitti: I encountered a side issue: My attempts to update my ppa for Maverick were rejected with the message: "Unhandled exception processing upload: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'md5'" [16:09] ricotz, they will not [16:09] ricotz, most probably, yes (which is the reason for removing gnome-shell. we'll be evaluating which packages to upgrade this cycle [16:09] Launchpad bug 690045 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Please remove and blacklist gnome-shell (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [Wishlist,Fix released] [16:10] GunnarHj: hm, no idea about that exception; perhaps the changes didn't get signed or so? [16:10] ricotz, or rather it's not likely (not really decided yet though) [16:10] seb128, chrisccoulson, :(, that's a bummer [16:10] what are the main problems? [16:10] pitti: I've tried just about everything. Seems like something has happened at the Launchpad side. [16:10] ricotz, read the gnome3 blueprint? [16:11] ricotz, I did summaries in the whiteboard [16:11] pitti: Uploading for Natty worked fine. [16:11] seb128, oh, no i didnt, could you give the link? [16:11] GunnarHj: hm, that's a #launchpad matter then, I'm afraid [16:12] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3 [16:12] ricotz, ^ [16:12] pitti: Ok, I'll report it there. [16:12] ricotz, but basically we don't feel confident we can integrate GNOME3 in one cycle [16:12] ricotz, it's not even clear it will be ready in time [16:13] ricotz, integrate -> do a solid work of integrating it [16:13] mhh, i see, but isnt it a bigger problem to introduce it partly [16:13] you mean [16:13] ? [16:13] ricotz, we don't introduce it at all, we maintain a ppa with it [16:14] yeah, i relalized that ;) [16:14] you can't easily bring pieces in [16:14] see the whiteboard on the spec [16:15] but i think i should be the goal to introduce it, debian experimental has cought up this weekend [16:15] well it's already in the ppa [16:15] what debian experimental has to do with that? [16:15] experimental is like a debian ppa [16:15] the ppa has lot of GNOME3 sources that debian doesn't have yet [16:16] kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543667/ [16:16] seb128, ok, alright [16:16] kenvandine, thats in the natty empathy version not the one i'm building [16:16] ricotz, having it in the ppa almost mean we can get contributors particpating in an easy way [16:17] ricotz, we also don't need to stop on freezes [16:17] ricotz, we will revisit moving it to natty if it's ready in time [16:17] ricotz, I don't see what is your issue with that [16:17] it should allow us to do a better job on GNOME3 [16:17] getting updates after freezes if required [16:17] seb128, mhh, yes, this sounds right [16:17] and getting testing easily without breaking natty [16:17] ricotz, great ;-) [16:18] ricotz, btw we welcome people helping getting it in shape or working on updates [16:18] seb128, i just was hooping to get a working gnome-shell ppa for natty again [16:18] ir you want to help there... [16:18] ricotz, you can base your ppa on th GNOME3 one [16:18] if you want to maintain g-s releases in the GNOME3 ppa please do [16:19] we have nobody actively working on that yet [16:19] bcurtiswx, grep libindicate in the debian dir? [16:19] yeah, currently the gnome3-build are a bit broken with latest gtk update [16:19] ricotz, yeah, if you want to fix gedit for example please do ;-) [16:19] seb128, unfortunatelly, there are mostly git snapshots needed [16:20] well we can backport patches [16:20] it's easier than snapshot [16:20] seb128, thats with the natty version, which was working fine. keyword _was_ [16:20] seb128, mhh, i think git snapshots are easier [16:21] ricotz, well I use git diff > patch [16:21] ricotz, then copy in the debian dir [16:21]