[00:29] <RenatoSilva> what is the acl package used for?
[00:29] <RenatoSilva> seems useless, no package depends on it, and the package which suggests it is not installed
[00:34] <JanC> it's used for accessing file ACLs
[00:39] <RenatoSilva> ok, just removed it
[00:40] <JanC> if you are on a single user system, it's probably not that useful...
[00:40] <RenatoSilva> I have more than one user here
[00:41] <RenatoSilva> do you mean if I just use standard unix permissions?
[00:41] <JanC> it allows more fine-grained file permissions than the standard unix permissions
[00:41] <RenatoSilva> that package seems installed out of nothing
[00:42] <RenatoSilva> no one depends on it, the only one who suggests it is not installed, and acl package description is broken, non-ascii chars not properly displayed
[00:42] <JanC> ?
[00:43] <JanC> is it a translated description?
[00:43] <RenatoSilva> crazy! now after that I removed it and went there to c&p to you, description is fixed!
[00:44] <RenatoSilva> hmm no wait, it's in english now, for some reason
[00:44] <RenatoSilva> but was in portuguese when installed, now I install and description still remains in english
[00:45] <crimsun> acl is quite useful in troubleshooting sound bugs, actually
[00:46] <RenatoSilva> crimsun: interesting, I was having trouble to hear that sound when you log in, I accidentally fixed it by deleting ~/.pulse which had some links to /tmp inside, so I guessed it was some permission issue
[00:47] <RenatoSilva> JanC: maybe this and the sound issue, and other issues, are related to not having done a clean install since a long time
[00:47] <crimsun> that's a pulse bug, yes, and it's somewhat difficult to trace
[00:47] <RenatoSilva> JanC: I have been upgrading since a few years
[00:48] <JanC> RenatoSilva: the 'acl' package only contains the command line tools for POSIX ACL support
[00:48] <JanC> you still have the libraries and kernel components installed...
[00:48] <RenatoSilva> ok
[00:49] <RenatoSilva> I have had some trouble trying to clean my system from useless packages you know
[00:49] <JanC> I haven't installed this system since 2006 or 2007 either  ;)
[00:49] <RenatoSilva> apt-get autoremove does some job, system > admin > maintainer too, gtkorphaned too, but that's not enougth
[00:50] <RenatoSilva> well the maintainer just does the same as autoremove it seems
[00:50] <JanC> "maintainer"?
[00:51] <JanC> I guess that's Computer Janitor?
[00:51] <RenatoSilva> Mantenedor do sistema in portuguese, I guess it's "System maintainer" under System > Admin menu
[00:51] <RenatoSilva> http://images.tothetech.com/2009/07/ubuntu-menu-computer-janitor.jpg
[00:52] <RenatoSilva> that's it, janitor
[00:52] <JanC> janitor does more than only autoremove
[00:52] <JanC> but autoremove is one part of it
[00:52] <RenatoSilva> example of gtkorphan not being enough: there's a check which shows hpricot which is a ruby lib I actually need
[00:53] <RenatoSilva> and when libtool was installed, it wasn't showing in the list (when you check the show all not only libs option)
[00:53] <RenatoSilva> JanC: yeah I just mean about the useless packages, in that case janitor is the same as autoremove
[00:54] <JanC> it's not always possible for the computer to know what you still need
[00:54] <JanC> or not
[00:54] <RenatoSilva> so now I need to manually guess, package by package, which ones are not dependency of some other one, then look at package description and name, and decide to purge or not. A lot of fun :)
[00:55] <RenatoSilva> oh gtkorphan also lists ubunt-desktop, and *itself* o.O
[00:55] <JanC> do you use aptitude sometimes?
[00:56] <RenatoSilva> apt-get sometimes, aptitude not so much
[00:56] <RenatoSilva> mostly I don't use aptitude, but apt-get
[00:56] <JanC> I'd suggest you don't mix aptitude with other apt tools
[00:57] <JanC> because it keeps it's own, different database of packages that were installed on purpose vs. as a dependency
[00:57] <RenatoSilva> I just think there should be a command telling the packages which were manually installed and are not dependency of no other package (end-user apps etc). This way we could know all packages that were (in theory) installed by the users, so we can clean the system (I think I probably have a lot of useless packages still installed but I have no easy way to figure out what they are)
[00:58] <RenatoSilva> I think I have never installed or removed anything with aptitude
[00:58] <RenatoSilva> I'm using today for 'why package', I remember using it some time ago but I think it wasn't for [un]installing
[01:03] <RenatoSilva> thanks all anyway
[01:54] <hallyn_> my natty netbook seems to have lost netbook.  when i choose 'ubuntu desktop edition'  in gdm, i get an empty screen.  are there some directories i can just remove to reset, or is this expected at the moment?
[01:55] <hallyn_> (i can control-alt-t to get a terminal, and compiz is running - but no panels or anything)
[01:57] <hallyn_> oh and i can log into 'classic desktop' just fine.  so is 'ubuntu desktop edition' supposed to work?
[02:13] <charlie-tca> hallyn_: yes, if your video card supports it
[02:13] <charlie-tca> It has to have enough onboard memory, openGL, and 3d support
[03:46] <RenatoSilva> how about finger, is it an important package? I'm about to purge it
[03:46] <crimsun> not really ;)
[03:50] <RenatoSilva> thanks, how about humanity-theme x human-theme? about to purge the latter
[03:51] <RenatoSilva> sorry it's humanity-icon-theme
[03:51] <RenatoSilva> but human-theme shows as orphan in deboprhan
[03:51] <RenatoSilva> *deborphan
[03:52] <micahg> RenatoSilva: these sound like support questions
[03:54] <RenatoSilva> micahg: sorry #ubuntu is often useless
[03:54] <RenatoSilva> but thanks all
[07:44] <pitti> Good morning
[09:05] <seb128> hey
[09:05] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:06] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:06] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:06] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:07] <seb128> how are you?
[09:07] <pitti> my cold now is pretty bad :/
[09:08]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[09:08] <didrocks> take care
[09:09]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:37] <seb128> heh
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, you didn't wait for me to remind you about the reminder!
[09:38] <seb128> ;-)
[09:39] <didrocks> seb128 is sooooo disapointed :)
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: je suis desolat
[09:40] <pitti> (if only I'd know how to spell that)
[09:41] <seb128> désolé
[09:41] <seb128> ;-)
[12:02] <davmor2> didrocks: Hey unity seems a bit broken this morning on natty is there a workaround at all?
[12:11] <didrocks> davmor2: hey, how broken?
[12:13] <davmor2> didrocks: no top bar, no app launcher,  just looking at the .xsession-errors now.
[12:13] <didrocks> davmor2: are you up-to-date with dbusmenu and all indicators?
[12:14] <davmor2> didrocks: apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade is showing no updates available
[12:14] <didrocks> davmor2: ok, do you have compiz starting at least?
[12:15] <didrocks> davmor2: you should try resetting your settings (unity --reset)
[12:17] <davmor2> didrocks: that's done it thanks :)
[12:17] <didrocks> davmor2: nice :)
[12:36] <davmor2> didrocks: now I have a desktop but no updates so I have videod Ubuntu One with a similar issue until there are some updates to install :)  bug #689929
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689929 in unity (Ubuntu) "Update managers Apply Settings window doesn't trigger unity's smarthide (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689929
[12:36] <didrocks> davmor2: seems that the upload isn't finished yet :)
[12:37] <davmor2> didrocks: no worries you'll at least understand what is happening I hope :)
[12:37] <didrocks> davmor2: just ping me once your file upload is finished
[12:38] <didrocks> oh
[12:38] <didrocks> davmor2: it's ok now, I get it (some proxy cache issue?)
[12:38] <davmor2> :)
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, trying to figure out which bit of the indicator stack goes where is a real pain :/
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> too many indicator projects, all with pretty much the same name!
[12:41] <seb128> lol
[12:41] <seb128> indeed
[12:42] <seb128> I've been trying to push people to make a clear description of the dx components and what they do
[12:42] <chrisccoulson> i think the letters "i", "n", "d", "c", "t" and "a" are burned in to my retina's now ;)
[12:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00050.html
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, something like that would be useful :)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> all i'm trying to do is figure out how to tell firefox when someone clicks on a menu item, and it's pretty hard working out where to look ;)
[12:46] <didrocks> davmor2: pretty clear, thanks!
[12:49] <pitti> *phew*, there -- debconf GNOME backend without libgnome2-perl
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, great work!
[13:03] <dpm> hi pitti, a quick question that's come up in the translators list while testing the maverick langpacks: if someone has got the langpacks PPA enabled, do the langpacks in maverick-proposed take precedence and get installed?
[13:04] <seb128> dpm, the newest version get installed
[13:04] <seb128> what version are in the ppa and in the proposed update?
[13:05] <dpm> hey seb128. They're both the same version, that's why I'm asking, as I'm not sure what happens in that case
[13:05] <seb128> does it matter?
[13:05] <seb128> if they are the same version they should be the same content?
[13:06] <seb128> check with mvo but I don't think it's a fixed order if you have the same version in different sources
[13:07] <seb128> dpm, the proposed updates a pocket copy from the ppa no?
[13:07] <dpm> you're right, it does not matter, but the question came up, and I wasn't sure what to answer. So I take it if they're both the same version one does not take precedence over the other, i.e. if the langpack from the ppa is installed, the one with the same version in maverick-proposed will not be installed
[13:07] <dpm> seb128, yes, it's a copy
[13:08] <seb128> I would think that if the checksum is the same for both there is no reason it would be reinstalled
[13:08] <seb128> but check with mvo to be sure
[13:08] <dpm> mvo, if you are around and you've got a minute, here's a question for you ^^ :)
[13:10] <dpm> pitti, if that is the case, could you disable the next ppa langpack scheduled for tomorrow until testing has finished? Otherwise people might be testing a newer langpack if it is built tomorrow in the ppa
[13:32] <rickspencer3> hmm, getting python 2.7 on dist-upgrade
[13:32] <rickspencer3> is my natty about to break into a million small pieces?
[13:39] <mterry> didrocks, my unity won't come up anymore.  I remember seeing some chatter about unity being broken right now?
[13:39] <didrocks> mterry: you should reset your config, unity --reset
[13:40] <didrocks> it's a allscreens/screen0 issue
[13:41] <mterry> didrocks, oh, OK
[13:41] <mterry> didrocks, yay
[13:41] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, there were some renaming leftover
[13:42] <mvo> dpm: hi, if they are exactly the same version then nothing will happen but they really need to be same version and same content. but if that is the case, the maverick-proposed one is not installed (as there is no reason to do that)
[13:43] <dpm> mvo, great, that's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks!
[13:43] <mvo> yw!
[13:46] <rickspencer3> didrocks, hello
[13:47] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I just did a dist-upgrade, compiz is running, but there's no sign of Unity
[13:49] <mterry> rickspencer3, he just told me the fix above: unity --reset
[13:49]  * rickspencer3 tries
[13:49] <rickspencer3> mterry, thanks
[13:50]  * bcurtiswx waves to channel
[13:50] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/vte/ubuntugtk3/+merge/43642
[13:50]  * mterry waves back at bcurtiswx
[13:50] <mterry> seb128, (I don't have upload rights for vte)
[13:51] <didrocks> rickspencer3: did it fix it?
[13:52] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yes
[13:52] <seb128> hey mterry
[13:52] <rickspencer3> all is well
[13:52] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[13:52] <mterry> seb128, hi!  :)
[13:53] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[13:59] <pitti> dpm: we don't set priorities for the PPA; if you have the PPA enabled, the next weekly auto-update will supersede -proposed
[14:00] <pitti> dpm: disabled
[14:00] <dpm> pitti, ok, thanks! I'll let you know when we've finished testing to enable it again.
[14:01] <seb128> mterry, I've asked cjwatson if desktop can get access to vte
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, if that doesn't work I will sponsor it for you ;-)
[14:02] <mterry> seb128, k  :)
[14:08] <hallyn_> charlie-tca: laptop supports it.  so my .config or whateve files must have gotten corrupted.  which ones are used for netbook and not classic desktop?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> hallyn_: as far as I know, compiz and unity
[14:10] <seb128> mterry, ok, you should have rights
[14:11] <mterry> muhahaha
[14:11] <seb128> ;-)
[14:11] <cyphermox> seb128, what was the issue you had with emerillon and the new libchamplain?
[14:12] <seb128> cyphermox, the current archive version still use the old libchamplain which is nbs
[14:12] <cyphermox> ah, ok
[14:12] <hallyn_> charlie-tca: I see .cache/compiz-1 and .config/compizconfig1 but nothing resembling 'unity'
[14:12] <seb128> hallyn_, unity --reset
[14:13] <cyphermox> seb128, fair enough, I had to fix building w/ gdk-pixbuf but otherwise libchamplain-0.8 works fine... for varying versions of fine. I still can't use the map :/
[14:13] <seb128> cyphermox, well if "still" seems to indicate it was not working so it's something which got broken
[14:14] <hallyn_> seb128: ah, well that certainly did something, thanks :)  now i just have an extra gnome-panel to get rid of.  back in a flash
[14:14] <seb128> upload ;-)
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, no bonus point for you, you didn't use the -v option :p
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, but otherwise the vte upload worked it seems ;-)
[14:24] <Riddell> pitti: are we not doing activity reports any more?
[14:24] <mterry> seb128, darn it :)
[14:25] <seb128> Riddell, no
[14:25] <pitti> Riddell: not individual ones, just interesting news from the week
[14:26] <bcurtiswx> seb128, mterry. libgirepository-1.0-1 reminder in the GNOME3 PPA
[14:26] <mterry> bcurtiswx, ah, right.  The PPA
[14:26] <seb128> bcurtiswx, seems only gedit uses the wrong one
[14:27] <seb128> but the current version doesn't build with the current GTK
[14:27] <bcurtiswx> so a test would be to remove gedit and see if it installed
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> nope, it still wants to remove ubuntu-desktop. hmm
[14:29] <seb128> can you copy the upgrade log?
[14:29] <seb128> on pastbin or something
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543614/
[14:31] <seb128> bcurtiswx, what is the issue with that log?
[14:32] <seb128> well only gedit needs a rebuild
[14:32] <seb128> you can sudo apt-get install gedit/natty
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:32] <cdbs> IS there some issue with unity ATM? I am unable to start 'Ubuntu Desktop Edition'
[14:32] <cdbs> after an update
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> cdbs, did you disable the plugin in ccsm by any chance?
[14:33] <mterry> cdbs, try unity --reset in a terminal (ctrl+alt+t to get one)
[14:33] <cdbs> mterry: :o will try that
[14:33] <cdbs> bcurtiswx: I didn't open ccsm for a long time
[14:33] <hallyn_> hm, well, unity --reset from classic desktop works, but subsequent logins still fail, and then i wasn't getting my network notifier
[14:33] <mterry> cdbs, some gsettings path changed or something like that
[14:33] <hallyn_> (so i couldn't get on my broadband net)
[14:33] <mterry> hallyn_, oh, I hadn't tried logging out/in again
[14:34] <cdbs> okay, attempt according to what mterry said
[14:34] <hallyn_> mterry: after unity --replace, is it safe to just kill gnome-pane?
[14:34] <seb128> why do you need that?
[14:34] <mterry> hallyn_, should be
[14:34] <hallyn_> well, what is the name of the network indicator?
[14:34] <hallyn_> so i can restart it?
[14:34] <seb128> gnome-panel should not be running under unity
[14:34] <bcurtiswx> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543618/ says gedit already newest version
[14:35] <mterry> hallyn_, nm-applet
[14:35] <hallyn_> it's running in the classic desktop,
[14:35] <hallyn_> so when i then do 'unity --reset' it stays up
[14:35] <mterry> hallyn_, oh you might want to log into new desktop then
[14:35] <seb128> oh, compiz --replace then
[14:35] <hallyn_> mterry: i thought we werent' usig applets
[14:35] <hallyn_> mterry: i might, but it hangs with a little clock cursor
[14:35] <hallyn_> mterry: pretty sure nm-applet just said it was already running
[14:35] <seb128> bcurtiswx, gedit=2.30.4-1ubuntu3
[14:36] <seb128> then
[14:36] <hallyn_> oh maybe that was the problem, didn't shut down cleanly?
[14:36] <mterry> hallyn_, it doesn't use a notification-icon, but the binary is called nm-applet and shows an indicator
[14:36] <hallyn_> hm
[14:36] <cdbs> mterry: worked
[14:36] <mterry> hallyn_, right.  When you get that hang, press ctrl+alt+t and run unity --reset
[14:36] <mterry> hallyn_, not that the command is --reset not --replace
[14:36] <hallyn_> mterry: that's what i used to do until yeterday
[14:36] <hallyn_> mterry: now, it *really* hangs, and ctrl-alt-t does nothing
[14:36] <mterry> hallyn_, I see.  didrocks ^
[14:37] <cdbs> hallyn_: its best to create a launcher on the desktop to start unity --reset
[14:37] <cdbs> since ctrl+alt+t doesn't work when compiz hangs
[14:37] <hallyn_> cdbs: ?
[14:37] <mterry> didrocks, is unity --reset something one has to run every time?
[14:37] <hallyn_> mterry: correction, i used to do ctrl-alt-t and then run 'compiz'
[14:37] <cdbs> hallyn_: create a launcher on your desktop
[14:37] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK, to try the upgrade i'll have to manually upgrade everything instead of a dist-upgrade.. right?
[14:38] <didrocks> mterry: no, there is an compiz upstream gconf path change
[14:38] <mterry> hallyn_, right.  unity --reset is a one-time thing that fixes some gsettings paths that recently got migrated (is my layman's understanding).  So I believe you are hitting that.  but compiz --replace just restarts compiz
[14:39] <seb128> bcurtiswx, just apt-get upgrade
[14:39] <seb128> bcurtiswx, it should do the right thing
[14:39] <bcurtiswx> seb128, haha, it tried to upgrade gedit.. and not updating the gtk like i had hoped
[14:40] <hallyn_> ok, htanks guys - at this point i'm afraid of logging out again for fear of not being able to get back on the net, so i'll just stay put, get some work done, and try again later :)
[14:40] <mterry> hallyn_, :)
[14:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well just remove gedit for now
[14:40] <seb128> or wait for it to be rebuilt
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> seb128, libgirepository-1.0-1 still tries to remove ubuntu-desktop.. as far as I know i _should_ be able to upgrade the GTK's
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> mterry, you still use the gnome3 PPA right?
[14:41] <seb128> sudo apt-get install ...
[14:42] <seb128> just upgrade libgtk3.0-0
[14:42] <mterry> bcurtiswx, no
[14:42] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you don't even need the ppa to use gtk3 it's in natty
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK.  still gtk3.0 wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.. what can I do to narrow down whats causing that?
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> aptitude why-not ubuntu-desktop?
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> doesn't know why to remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:44] <seb128> comment the ppa source?
[14:46] <bcurtiswx> PPA completely removed, still hates ubuntu-desktop.  hmm
[14:46] <seb128> hum
[14:46] <seb128> can you copy the "sudo apt-get install libgtk3.0-0" log on pastebin?
[14:47] <mterry> seb128, btw, I found the source of libgda4 breakage yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gobject-introspection/+bug/689821
[14:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689821 in gobject-introspection (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Nested types should be allowed in aliases (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:47] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/543625/
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> seb128, ^^
[14:50] <seb128> bcurtiswx, sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-selected/natty
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK that did it.  now to cherry pick updates from the GNOME3 PPA is there a sudo apt-get install */PPPA i can do ?
[14:52] <seb128> well just enable the ppa and sudo apt-get install
[14:52] <seb128> then comment the ppa again
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> OK
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> rebooting, hopefully to non-crashign nautilus
[15:05]  * bcurtiswx throws a mini party
[15:06] <seb128> ;-)
[15:06] <bcurtiswx> now im building empathy from source to see if im right that the new gtk fixes my empathy issues
[15:08] <seb128> ok
[15:13] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543639/ i'm using the gnome empathy 2.91.3, not from git source.  Do you know about this?
[15:14] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, nope
[15:14] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the libgda investigation
[15:14] <seb128> mterry, did you try asking on the upstream channel?
[15:14] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, OK i will file a bug
[15:15] <seb128> rickspencer3, is appmenu somewhere on your list of things you watch?
[15:15] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, well check first what's the cause of the error
[15:15] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, are these API been deprecated ?
[15:15] <rickspencer3> seb128, yes
[15:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, ok great, it's really buggy currently and I've been trying to get dx-ers to work on some bugs since before 10.10 without success
[15:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, we have over 60 bugs registered
[15:17] <seb128> some about popular applications getting no menu at all
[15:17] <seb128> or menus items being missing or not working
[15:17] <mterry> seb128, no.  glib upstream?
[15:17] <seb128> or doing the wrong action
[15:17] <seb128> mterry, rather gir guys
[15:17] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, seems to be a webkit problem, not an empathy one
[15:18] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, OK thx.
[15:18] <bcurtiswx> hmm, where to go from here
[15:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, is there anything we can help to make sure we track those?
[15:19] <seb128> mterry, try pinged walters when he's on #gnome-hackers maybe?
[15:19] <mterry> seb128, ok
[15:20] <seb128> or ask pitti who he usually pings for gir issues ;-)
[15:21] <bcurtiswx> are there any webkit knowledgeable people here ?
[15:21] <pitti> mterry: usually I just join #introspection on irc.gnome.org
[15:21] <mterry> pitti, ok
[15:22] <seb128> bcurtiswx, seems an issue with --as-needed on natty
[15:22] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you can open a bug or email robert_ancell
[15:22] <seb128> or ping him when he's online later
[15:23] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK.  How did you know it was with --as-needed ?
[15:24] <seb128> well your pastbin is clear
[15:24] <seb128> "undefined reference to"
[15:26] <kenvandine> lool, thx for fixing libubuntuone!
[15:27] <bcurtiswx> seb128, so everytime i see "undefined reference to" i should think --as-needed ?
[15:30] <dobey> lool: ping
[15:31] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no, it's just that it doesn't use all the libraries it should
[15:31] <kenvandine> mterry, do you know how to make python look for un-installed girs
[15:31] <kenvandine> or anyone
[15:31] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the --as-needed just mail build stop on such errors
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> i think i've finally solved my menu problems for ffox now, but i need to patch indicator-appmenu, dbusmenu and unity to fix it :)
[15:31] <mterry> kenvandine, no, not off hand
[15:31] <kenvandine> ok
[15:32] <mterry> kenvandine, is there not a function or something in the gi module to set paths?
[15:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess you will need ted
[15:32]  * kenvandine will just dive in and hope to not drown
[15:32] <kenvandine> mterry, maybe, you know there is just a ton of docs
[15:32] <kenvandine> :)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - ted will have some patches to review when he gets back from vacation ;)
[15:34] <mterry> kenvandine, :)  dir() is all the docs we get
[15:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, great ;-)
[15:35] <kenvandine> mterry, yup... gotta love it, i guess
[15:35]  * mterry_ tests webchat
[15:37] <lool> dobey: pong
[15:41] <dobey> lool: did debuild switch to srcdir != builddir builds recently?
[15:42] <lool> dobey: No
[15:42] <lool> dobey: debuild just calls dpkg-buildpackage which calls debian/rules <various targets>; it all depends on the package
[15:43] <lool> dobey: In the case of libubuntuone, there are multiple builds to accomodate for various python versions (e.g. one build for python2.6, and one for 2.7 for instance)
[15:44] <dobey> lool: hrmm, i am just very surprised this hasn't ever broken before
[15:45] <lool> dobey: this as introduced recently:
[15:45] <lool> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libubuntuone/0.3.8-0ubuntu4
[15:45] <lool>   * debian/rules:
[15:45] <lool>     - Use separate build dirs for all the builds, so that we can build ok when
[15:46] <lool>       different Python versions are installed (LP: #684983)
[15:46] <lool>  -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo.moya@canonical.com>   Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:30:31 +0100
[15:46] <lool> dobey: this one failed to build, then ubuntu5 was fixed to build, but it actually failed to sign the .dll
[15:47] <dobey> right
[15:49] <dobey> i guess distcheck doesn't care if the dll is unsigned though
[15:55] <dobey> lool: do you know if there is an easy wya to check if the dll is signed properly, without building the package and trying to install it?
[16:06] <dobey> nm, i found something
[16:07] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hello, i just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/690045
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> hi ricotz
[16:08] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, does this mean the gnome3 builds (like gnome-session-daemon) wont make it into natty?
[16:09] <ricotz> seb128, hi, ^
[16:09] <GunnarHj> pitti: Wow, that was fast. ;-) Glad that I succeeded in convincing you about the 'odd' use of the dmrc Language field.
[16:09] <GunnarHj> pitti: I encountered a side issue: My attempts to update my ppa for Maverick were rejected with the message: "Unhandled exception processing upload: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'md5'"
[16:09] <seb128> ricotz, they will not
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, most probably, yes (which is the reason for removing gnome-shell. we'll be evaluating which packages to upgrade this cycle
[16:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690045 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Please remove and blacklist gnome-shell (affects: 1) (heat: 18)" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[16:10] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, no idea about that exception; perhaps the changes didn't get signed or so?
[16:10] <seb128> ricotz, or rather it's not likely (not really decided yet though)
[16:10] <ricotz> seb128, chrisccoulson, :(, that's a bummer
[16:10] <ricotz> what are the main problems?
[16:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: I've tried just about everything. Seems like something has happened at the Launchpad side.
[16:10] <seb128> ricotz, read the gnome3 blueprint?
[16:11] <seb128> ricotz, I did summaries in the whiteboard
[16:11] <GunnarHj> pitti: Uploading for Natty worked fine.
[16:11] <ricotz> seb128, oh, no i didnt, could you give the link?
[16:11] <pitti> GunnarHj: hm, that's a #launchpad matter then, I'm afraid
[16:12] <seb128> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3
[16:12] <seb128> ricotz, ^
[16:12] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, I'll report it there.
[16:12] <seb128> ricotz, but basically we don't feel confident we can integrate GNOME3 in one cycle
[16:12] <seb128> ricotz, it's not even clear it will be ready in time
[16:13] <seb128> ricotz, integrate -> do a solid work of integrating it
[16:13] <ricotz> mhh, i see, but isnt it a bigger problem to introduce it partly
[16:13] <seb128> you mean
[16:13] <seb128> ?
[16:13] <seb128> ricotz, we don't introduce it at all, we maintain a ppa with it
[16:14] <ricotz> yeah, i relalized that ;)
[16:14] <seb128> you can't easily bring pieces in
[16:14] <seb128> see the whiteboard on the spec
[16:15] <ricotz> but i think i should be the goal to introduce it, debian experimental has cought up this weekend
[16:15] <seb128> well it's already in the ppa
[16:15] <seb128> what debian experimental has to do with that?
[16:15] <seb128> experimental is like a debian ppa
[16:15] <seb128> the ppa has lot of GNOME3 sources that debian doesn't have yet
[16:16] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543667/
[16:16] <ricotz> seb128, ok, alright
[16:16] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, thats in the natty empathy version not the one i'm building
[16:16] <seb128> ricotz, having it in the ppa almost mean we can get contributors particpating in an easy way
[16:17] <seb128> ricotz, we also don't need to stop on freezes
[16:17] <seb128> ricotz, we will revisit moving it to natty if it's ready in time
[16:17] <seb128> ricotz, I don't see what is your issue with that
[16:17] <seb128> it should allow us to do a better job on GNOME3
[16:17] <seb128> getting updates after freezes if required
[16:17] <ricotz> seb128, mhh, yes, this sounds right
[16:17] <seb128> and getting testing easily without breaking natty
[16:17] <seb128> ricotz, great ;-)
[16:18] <seb128> ricotz, btw we welcome people helping getting it in shape or working on updates
[16:18] <ricotz> seb128, i just was hooping to get a working gnome-shell ppa for natty again
[16:18] <seb128> ir you want to help there...
[16:18] <seb128> ricotz, you can base your ppa on th GNOME3 one
[16:18] <seb128> if you want to maintain g-s releases in the GNOME3 ppa please do
[16:19] <seb128> we have nobody actively working on that yet
[16:19] <seb128> bcurtiswx, grep libindicate in the debian dir?
[16:19] <ricotz> yeah, currently the gnome3-build are a bit broken with latest gtk update
[16:19] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, if you want to fix gedit for example please do ;-)
[16:19] <ricotz> seb128, unfortunatelly, there are mostly git snapshots needed
[16:20] <seb128> well we can backport patches
[16:20] <seb128> it's easier than snapshot
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thats with the natty version, which was working fine. keyword _was_
[16:20] <ricotz> seb128, mhh, i think git snapshots are easier
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, well I use git diff > patch
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, then copy in the debian dir
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, I find it easier than doing tarballs
[16:21] <ricotz> seb128, doing patches for packages which will get new release every week or two
[16:21] <seb128> well you drop the git diff at the next version update
[16:21] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, i know, but it it likely there are more dependend changes
[16:21] <seb128> bcurtiswx, what is crashing this way?
[16:22] <seb128> ricotz, well let's wait for the next tarballs then
[16:22] <ricotz> seb128, ok, it see
[16:22] <seb128> ricotz, gtk3 should stop breaking abi in the next weeks
[16:22] <seb128> then it will be easier
[16:22] <seb128> or maybe it stopped already with some luck
[16:22] <seb128> so after the next tarballs it should be better
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> seb128, empathy 2.32.2-0ubuntu2 the maverick/natty version
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> stable release
[16:23] <seb128> bcurtiswx, dpkg -l empathy
[16:23] <seb128> grep use-libindicate /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.Empathy.gschema.xml
[16:24] <bcurtiswx>  seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543678/
[16:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx, which empathy?
[16:25] <seb128> (that's a command)
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> i did a sudo apt-get install --reinstall empathy before all this happened, so it's the maverick/natty version
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> 2.32.2-0ubuntu2
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> Oh
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> im a retard
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> /usr/bin/empathy
[16:27] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ?
[16:27] <seb128> bcurtiswx, dpkg -l | grep empathy
[16:27] <bcurtiswx> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543679/
[16:29] <seb128> $ strace empathy 2>&1 | grep gschema
[16:29] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ^
[16:30] <bcurtiswx> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543681/
[16:30] <seb128> open("/usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled", O_RDONLY) = 8
[16:30] <seb128> bcurtiswx, ^ remove that file?
[16:30] <seb128> seems you did a make install which take over the distro version
[16:30] <pitti> GunnarHj: seems to work nicely! merged gdm and pushed
[16:31] <pitti> GunnarHj: I'll upload it soon, and also take a look at the language-selector changes
[16:31] <and471> hey mpt, sorry my internet connection died yeterday :)
[16:31] <pitti> MEETING O'CLOCK
[16:31] <seb128> pitti, indeed
[16:31] <mpt> and471, no worries, I left work a couple of minutes later anyway
[16:32] <tkamppeter_> hi
[16:32] <bcurtiswx> seb128, ah yes, i thought I did a make uninstall but i didn't
[16:32] <pitti> bryceh, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox: meeting time
[16:32]  * kenvandine waves
[16:32] <tremolux> heyo
[16:32] <Riddell> hi
[16:32]  * bcurtiswx gets out of the way
[16:32] <didrocks> hey o/
[16:32] <pitti> seems chris coulson, mterry, and rodrigo are missing
[16:33] <pitti> [TOPIC] action review
[16:33] <pitti> first seems obsolete, second done
[16:33] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-14
[16:33] <pitti> for this week's reports
[16:34] <pitti> any non-regular meeting topics from anyone?
[16:34] <seb128> what is obsolete and one?
[16:34] <seb128> done
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: the actions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-07
[16:34] <pitti> jasoncwarner: here by chance? feeling better now?
[16:34] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, I was reading the next meeting agenda
[16:34] <seb128> oh, mterry and chrisccoulson ;-)
[16:35] <mterry> hihi
[16:35] <pitti> chrisccoulson, mterry: hello
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> breaking unity before desktop meeting = not good :)
[16:35] <pitti> so, nobody else had some news for last week? the weekly status is quite short this time
[16:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, -before desktop meeting
[16:35] <ricotz> seb128, is it possible to get access to the gnome3 ppa?
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[16:36] <pitti> [TOPIC] partner update
[16:36] <pitti> kenvandine:
[16:36] <kenvandine> yup
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, nothing fancy, standard updates and bug cleaning...
[16:36] <seb128> ricotz, let's discuss that after the meeting
[16:36] <kenvandine> DX:
[16:36] <pitti> seb128: (I just feel bad about owning this section)
[16:36] <seb128> ricotz, but basically not easily right now the team gives access to ubuntu upload as well, but you can do merge requests we review them often
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, I will add some ;-)
[16:37] <kenvandine> dbusmenu, appindicator and libindicate fixes for GI and python are in which required a rebuild of the whole indicator stack
[16:37] <kenvandine> hopefully the fallout is over from that
[16:37] <kenvandine> the port to gdbus is stuck
[16:37] <pitti> kenvandine: is that the reason for all the crashes?
[16:37] <kenvandine> pitti, apparently :)
[16:37] <kenvandine> are they still happening?
[16:37] <pitti> (it still crashes for me, dist-upgrade from an hour ago)
[16:37] <kenvandine> humm
[16:38] <pitti> but anyway, off-meeting topic
[16:38] <kenvandine> ping me after please
[16:38] <pitti> kenvandine: stuck> anythign blocking from our side?
[16:38] <kenvandine> no...
[16:38] <kenvandine> tedg on vacation
[16:38] <kenvandine> dbusmenu and appindicator are ported
[16:38] <pitti> ah, holiday-stuck
[16:38] <kenvandine> and in a ppa
[16:38] <kenvandine> but
[16:38] <kenvandine> can't be used until appmenu-gtk is ported to gdbus
[16:38] <seb128> pitti, define crash
[16:39] <seb128> pitti, do you still run a gnome-panel and get applets crashing on login?
[16:39] <pitti> seb128: tons of "indicator-blah crashed [Reload] [Remove]" dialogs at session start
[16:39] <seb128> pitti, if that's the case that's a known compiz bug
[16:39] <seb128> compiz bug then
[16:39] <pitti> seb128: yes, I run g-p
[16:39] <seb128> smspillaz and didrocks know about it
[16:39] <pitti> kenvandine: sorry for keepign interrupting you
[16:39] <seb128> it's being worked but non trivial to fix it seems
[16:39] <seb128> yeah sorry kenvandine
[16:40] <didrocks> compiz is agressive at reparenting
[16:40] <pitti> seb128: thanks for heads-up
[16:40] <kenvandine> don't have much for U1, the have the control panel in NEW
[16:40] <kenvandine> that is all i have
[16:40] <seb128> didn't I new that last week?
[16:40] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks; can you please add some notes to teh report page, too? that was quite interesting
[16:40] <seb128> or is it binNEW now?
[16:40] <kenvandine> sure
[16:40] <kenvandine> i think sourceNEW
[16:41] <pitti> UNity and Software-Center reports are on the wiki page
[16:41] <kenvandine> i'll check and ping you
[16:41] <pitti> do you guys think we should paste them here again, or do you prefer reading it there?
[16:41] <didrocks> I'll just add once the lock is away " Working on making the reset automatic for people right now."
[16:41] <didrocks> otherwise, it's on the wiki :)
[16:42] <didrocks> kenvandine: you expired, can I paste?
[16:42] <kenvandine> didrocks, done
[16:42] <pitti> didrocks: that's just an issue for intra-natty upgrades, I suppose? (but nice to hear anyway)
[16:42] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's just intra natty
[16:43] <didrocks> in fact, doing that properly isn't easy with the gconf compiz backend
[16:43] <didrocks> still experimenting to get the easiest solution…
[16:43] <pitti> didrocks: temporary autostart .desktop?
[16:43] <didrocks> pitti: will be started after compiz
[16:44] <seb128> not if you put it in the init section?
[16:44] <didrocks> a script can have race issue and putting that in compiz.desktop to wrap compiz isn't nice for crasher and such
[16:44] <didrocks> I try setting a new gconf default key
[16:44] <seb128> didrocks, change the exec line to "unity --reset; compiz"?
[16:44] <didrocks> seb128: hum? in the init phase, yeah, hackish but will work
[16:45] <didrocks> (won't be unity --reset as it starts it, but yeah)
[16:45] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, that can work
[16:45] <didrocks> wrapping is definitively not the solution and setting a default neither
[16:45] <didrocks> will change the .desktop file then
[16:46] <pitti> aaanyway, OT for meeting again
[16:46] <pitti> (sorry)
[16:46] <pitti> tremolux: do you want to bring up anything extra for software-center?
[16:46] <tremolux> pitti: nope, not unless somebody has questions
[16:47] <tremolux> the new search help feature from mvo is cool  :)
[16:47] <pitti> @all: any questions or other meeting topics? otherwise we can call this done, and let didrocks and seb128 continue to discuss unity stuff :)
[16:47] <seb128> pitti, sort of meeting related but what did you make use gtk3 yet?
[16:47] <pitti> seb128: language-selector, aptdaemon, and apport
[16:48] <Riddell> pitti: Kubuntu update?
[16:48] <pitti> they currently look ugly, apparently we recently dropped the GTK3 theme handling or so
[16:48] <pitti> Riddell: argh, sorry; I'll fix the meeting template
[16:48] <pitti> Riddell: please go ahead
[16:48] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6 Beta 2 all in, working well
[16:48] <Riddell>  * Kontact 4.6 Beta 2 in PPA only, more testing to be done before decision is made (testing plan has been made with Kolabsys)
[16:48] <Riddell>  * New Digikam and Kipi plugins in
[16:48] <Riddell>  * Bugfixes to dbusmenu-qt
[16:48] <Riddell>  * New phonon-backend-vlc in, still more buggy than gstreamer, which is more buggy than xine
[16:48] <Riddell>  * ARM compiles going well, mostly caught up for KDE packages.  Fixing ongoing for KOffice, KTorrent, kdenetwork
[16:49] <pitti> Riddell: oh, the video backends seem to change every week now?
[16:49] <Riddell> pitti: not it's still gstreamer
[16:49] <Riddell> by default
[16:49] <Riddell> we just have other options available too
[16:49] <Riddell> s/not/no/
[16:49] <pitti> indeed, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html looks much better now, congrats for workign that out
[16:49] <pitti> Riddell: btw, I remembered that beta2 was supposed to fix interactions with upower for suspend/hibernate; does that work now, or does this still require debugging?
[16:50] <Riddell> hmm, good question, I still have hal installed, I need to check how it works with hal not installed
[16:50] <Riddell> I'll test and get back to you
[16:50] <pitti> Riddell: cool, thanks
[16:51] <pitti> I think we stopped debugging that on the ubuntu side as it was said to be fixed upstream
[16:51] <pitti> any other business?
[16:51] <seb128> gtk3? ;-)
[16:51] <seb128> sorry to bring that back, but upstream basically changed how gtk theming works
[16:51] <seb128> dropping the old gtk2 way
[16:51] <seb128> they use some css theming now
[16:52] <seb128> Cimi says it's not really possible to port murrine to that
[16:52] <kenvandine> ugh
[16:52] <seb128> there is no way to get a pointer on the widgets from the theme anymore
[16:52] <seb128> so basically we will need a new theme
[16:52] <pitti> seb128: doesn't upstream gnome have a reasonable GTK3ish theme?
[16:52] <seb128> since we have almost no gtk3 rdepends yet I'm wondering if we should stay put for now
[16:53] <seb128> pitti, they do
[16:53] <seb128> but we don't want gtk2 applications to look ubuntu
[16:53] <seb128> with gtk3 ones being totally different
[16:54] <didrocks> how many gtk3 app do we have for now?
[16:54] <seb128> well since it seems we will not go for GNOME3 by default
[16:54] <didrocks> apport/jockey?
[16:54] <pitti> seb128: so does that mean you want me to revert to the pygtk2 versions? or want me to package a theme?
[16:54] <seb128> didrocks, I asked just before the kubuntu update
[16:54] <seb128> language-selector and apport basically
[16:54] <pitti> seb128: I just wonder why it still worked like a week ago
[16:54] <pitti> didrocks: jockey is still in a branch, blocked on appindicator
[16:54] <mterry> deja dup will be gtk3 :)
[16:54] <pitti> seb128: aptdaemon, too
[16:54] <seb128> pitti, it worked a week ago because the css theming landed in gtk .6
[16:54] <seb128> last week
[16:54] <pitti> ah
[16:55] <seb128> pitti, well as said before there is no theme to package
[16:55] <seb128> Cimi tried to port murrine
[16:55] <seb128> he says that's not possible
[16:55] <seb128> it will be easier to write a new theme
[16:55] <ricotz> the official adwaita theme for gtk3 is available in gnome-themes-standard
[16:56] <seb128> ricotz, thanks but we don't want to change our theme ;-)
[16:56] <seb128> we want something which is similar to what we have still
[16:56] <seb128> pitti, I would suggest we sort that at the sprint
[16:56] <ricotz> yeah, but this could be a base for creating the ubuntu theme
[16:56] <seb128> but until now maybe stop adding extra gtk3 use in natty
[16:57] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, I think Cimi knows how to do a theme, it's just that he can't get one similar to our gtk2 one
[16:57] <seb128> the new theming way is limited compared to what murrine is doing for some things
[16:57] <pitti> seb128: ok
[16:57] <pitti> seb128: although I guess any theme will look better than the current state
[16:58] <seb128> in any case we will need an ubuntu theme on gtk3
[16:58] <seb128> would it be only for the GNOME3 ppa
[16:58] <pitti> seb128: we could even tweak it a bit to look more similar
[16:58] <seb128> pitti, I can see people who will not take "similar" as an option
[16:58] <pitti> heh, yes
[16:58] <seb128> like people who care about each pixel and will want every application in our default desktop to look right
[16:59] <seb128> not "similar" ;-)
[16:59] <seb128> anyway we will not sort that today
[16:59] <seb128> I just wanted to raise it as an issue
[16:59] <pitti> thanks for bringing it up
[16:59] <pitti> at least I know the reason now
[16:59] <pitti> [TOPIC] AOB}
[16:59] <pitti> ?
[16:59] <seb128> thanks everybody ;-)
[17:00] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:00] <seb128> oh btw we will have a gir transition coming
[17:00] <seb128> not sure if we want to do it this week
[17:00] <pitti> again? *sigh*
[17:00] <pitti> okoay
[17:00] <didrocks> thanks :)
[17:00] <kenvandine> yuck
[17:00] <seb128> well debian renaming the girs
[17:00] <seb128> to 1.2
[17:00] <seb128> so it's no code change
[17:00] <kenvandine> just a rebuild
[17:00] <seb128> "just" the binaries to renam
[17:00] <kenvandine> whew
[17:01] <seb128> rename
[17:01] <seb128> kenvandine, well, rather editing the control and .install and rules
[17:01] <seb128> debian decided to handle the 0.9.5 abi break by renaming the gir
[17:01] <kenvandine> yeah, but we won't have g-ir-scanner problems and stuff
[17:01] <seb128> to match the version
[17:01] <seb128> right
[17:03] <pitti> ok, that should be relatively painless
[17:03] <seb128> right, just letting people know
[17:03] <kenvandine> pitti, appindicator with gtk3 is also blocked until ted gets back
[17:03] <seb128> so nobody is surprised by the upload and people know what to change
[17:03] <kenvandine> i did the build system work for gtk2/3
[17:03] <kenvandine> and it is merged into the new package split and gdbus stuff
[17:03] <pitti> seb128, kenvandine: FYI, I'll be on holidays from Thursday on; I'll probably work a bit anyway next week, but irregularly
[17:03] <seb128> oh
[17:04] <seb128> same here
[17:04] <seb128> well I'm still pondering working friday
[17:04] <pitti> seb128, kenvandine: as I'll be on a train Friday evening, could either of you sit in teh release team meeting?
[17:04] <kenvandine> but it is using apis from gtk that have changed and wants to look at
[17:04] <mvo> have fun during the vacation
[17:04] <seb128> since didrocks finish today
[17:04] <seb128> so I will handle the unity update
[17:04] <seb128> then I'm on vac until eoy as well
[17:04] <pitti> ah, ok; well, I'll update the status tomorrow
[17:04] <seb128> didrocks finish = he's on holidays starting tonight until eoy
[17:04] <pitti> if everything else fails, I'll just send them the wiki page
[17:04] <kenvandine> i can do it
[17:05] <kenvandine> wait, i think i can do it :)
[17:05] <seb128> is anybody still there next week?
[17:05] <seb128> not sure if it's worth having a meeting
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> i probably won't be
[17:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are on holidays?
[17:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you are please stop working, or at least hack on fun stuff out of IRC ;-)
[17:06] <kenvandine> pitti, i should be able to make the release meeting, can you get the wiki page updated?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> well, not yet, but i will likely book it off. i've still got quite a few days to take off ;)
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> i'll be hacking on the globalmenu-extension over christmas ;)
[17:06] <kenvandine> i should be here next week
[17:06] <kenvandine> but out the week after christmas
[17:08] <kenvandine> but i need to double check my days, might take some off next week :)
[17:09] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[17:09] <seb128> cyphermox, I assigned you some evolution bugs seems you have stepped out for the updates and other backports
[17:09] <seb128> cyphermox, let me know if you don't have time for it though
[17:10] <cdbs> Whenever I start my system, Unity/Compiz doesn't start automatically. I have to manually start it each time by clicking the launcher on my desktop which I made to run the command 'compiz' . Ctrl+Alt+t doesn't work even when compiz isn't running. Is this an issue with the recent gnome-session upload?
[17:10] <didrocks> seb128: hum, Exec=foo ; bar is a fail, let me try with ""
[17:11] <seb128> didrocks, sh -c "..."
[17:11] <lool> dobey: Yes; you can run "sn -T foo.dll"
[17:11] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but we don't have nice autorespawn in that case?
[17:12] <seb128> didrocks, hum...
[17:12] <lool> dobey: Sorry for the lag, was in calls in the last hours
[17:12] <seb128> can you hack the compiz code to do the reset? ;-)
[17:13] <cdbs> yes I can
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: well, I'm leaving in less than one hour for holidays and will not having any internet connexion as I'm moving. So you know who will have to handle breakage :-)
[17:13] <cdbs> seb128: is it a known issue?
[17:13] <seb128> cdbs, I was speaking to didrocks, not sure about your issue
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: more seriously, we can maybe scratch autorespawn now
[17:13] <seb128> cdbs, did you try to unity --reset?
[17:13] <cdbs> seb128: thrice
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: and then, back after alpha2
[17:13] <seb128> didrocks, well it seems unity --reset is not enough
[17:14] <didrocks> so sh -c "" for now
[17:14] <seb128> or at least didn't work after a session restart for cdbs
[17:14] <didrocks> seb128: hum? I saw 5 people fixed by that today
[17:14] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks, will do
[17:14] <seb128> well cdbs said it fixed for him but it's back after a session restart
[17:14] <didrocks> hum, weird
[17:14] <cdbs> didrocks: the problem is, somehow when I start the system, compiz doesn't start up
[17:14] <didrocks> cdbs: it doesn't start or it starts with no plugin?
[17:15] <cdbs> didrocks: it doesn't start at all
[17:15] <cyphermox> seb128, ok, looking into it now
[17:15] <seb128> didrocks, do what we can in the hour you have before leaving, we will handle from there
[17:15] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:15] <cdbs> didrocks: wait, I am a bit doubtful about that, let me reproduce
[17:15] <cdbs> brb
[17:16] <didrocks> seb128: ok, just rebuilding compiz with the script to reinitialize and testing there
[17:20] <cdbs> didrocks, it isn't starting at all. However, everything is fine if, after a reboot, I log out and log back in properly. If I go to a virtual terminal when compiz isn't running, restart gdm, then still problem occurs.
[17:20] <cyphermox> seb128, it's good, in fact I wanted to ask you or didrocks about backporting all those fixes from git or simply updating evo to git?
[17:20] <cdbs> err, I wrote that out in a confusing way
[17:20] <cdbs> the only workaround for me is the launcher on the desktop thing
[17:21] <seb128> cyphermox, do whatever you find easier I guess, seems doing a git diff between the tarball tag and trunk would be easier
[17:21] <seb128> like git diff > backport
[17:21] <seb128> would avoid having to redo a tarball and upload it
[17:21] <cyphermox> ah, right, one big patch for the bunch
[17:23] <didrocks> cdbs: what compiz version do you have?
[17:24] <cdbs> didrocks: 1:0.9.2.1+glibmainloop3-0ubuntu2
[17:24] <seb128> do you have any error in .xsession-errors?
[17:26]  * cdbs checks
[17:29] <cdbs> I am having some text like :
[17:29] <cdbs> the end time is 0.207723** (<unknown>:2232): DEBUG: perf-logger.vala:76: shonk le donk
[17:29] <cdbs> the end time is 0.207795** (<unknown>:2232): DEBUG: perf-logger.vala:76: shonk le donk
[17:29] <cdbs> I don't understand what it means, though my locale is Engligh
[17:29] <cdbs> *English
[17:30] <seb128> cdbs, dpkg -l | grep nux?
[17:31] <seb128> njpatel, ^ what does that error mean for unity?
[17:35] <njpatel> it's not an error, it's just debug output that's no in trunk
[17:35] <njpatel> not in trunk now*
[17:36] <cdbs> okay, I guess its some problem with my gnome-session configuration or something
[17:36]  * cdbs checks
[17:36] <seb128> cdbs, what about the dpkg -l?
[17:36] <cdbs> seb128: it gives info that nux and related packages are installed
[17:37] <seb128> cdbs, I want to see the versions
[17:37] <seb128> can you copy that on paste bin or something?
[17:38] <didrocks> sorry, my session crashed
[17:38] <didrocks> cdbs: did you answer?
[17:38] <cdbs> yes, I did
[17:38] <cdbs> just a sec..
 cdbs: what compiz version do you have?
 didrocks: 1:0.9.2.1+glibmainloop3-0ubuntu2
[17:38] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:38] <didrocks> hum wierd…
[17:39] <cdbs> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/543714/
[17:39] <didrocks> enjoy your evening pitti, nice christmas as well :)
[17:39] <didrocks> weird*
[17:39] <didrocks> cdbs: I think have will have to gdb attach
[17:39] <seb128> 'night pitti
[17:39] <didrocks> and then bt
[17:39] <cdbs> How do I reset gnome-session 's properties?
[17:39] <didrocks> properties?
[17:40] <didrocks> not sure what do you mean
[17:40] <cdbs> I mean configurations
[17:41] <didrocks> what configuration?
[17:41] <didrocks> compiz configuration is reset on unity --reset
[17:41] <didrocks> bbiab, need to do some restart test
[17:41] <seb128> didrocks,
[17:41] <seb128> ups
[17:53] <seb128> didrocks, re
[17:54] <didrocks> re seb128
[17:54] <didrocks> seb128: there is something weird with sh -c "foo ; bar". not sure how it work, it seems that foo isn't executed sometimes
[17:54] <didrocks> I'm then launching the script from src/main.cpp in compiz
[17:56] <seb128> didrocks, hum, weird
[17:56] <seb128> btw
 do you have any error in .xsession-errors?
[17:56] <seb128> * cdbs checks
 I am having some text like :
[17:56] <seb128>  the end time is 0.207723** (<unknown>:2232): DEBUG: perf-logger.vala:76: shonk le donk
[17:56] <seb128>  the end time is 0.207795** (<unknown>:2232): DEBUG: perf-logger.vala:76: shonk le donk
[17:56] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[17:56] <didrocks> that's leftover of unity plugins
[17:56] <seb128> ok
[17:56] <didrocks> so the unity plugins is starting
[17:56] <didrocks> maybe he doesn't have the right nux version
[17:57] <seb128> he does
[17:57] <didrocks> like, if he's using the daily build
 seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/543714/
[17:57] <didrocks> hum :/
[17:57] <didrocks> there is not unity there
[17:57] <seb128> that was a dpkg -l | grep nux
[17:58] <didrocks> if he's using the daily unity build, it's not compatible with natty nux
[17:58] <seb128> oh ok
[17:58] <seb128> ok, let's not focus on that
[17:58] <seb128> didrocks, why do you say ' sh -c "foo ; bar"' doesn't work?
[17:58] <didrocks> yeah, I'll just launch the script from main.cpp
[17:58] <seb128> seems the easiest way
[17:58] <didrocks> seb128: that's weird, I print in it, and can see that foo isn't launched…
[17:58] <didrocks> yeah
[17:58] <seb128> doesn't make sense to me
[17:59] <seb128> if you run the command manually does it work?
[17:59] <didrocks> same for me hence the "i'm going crazy"
[17:59] <didrocks> yeah, I tried that
[17:59] <didrocks> and it then reset my settings
[17:59] <didrocks> and print the debug
[18:00] <seb128> if you can hack the main.cpp do that
[18:00] <seb128> it will avoid the issues like respawn
[18:00] <seb128> it's also the easiest change to drop if needed
[18:00] <didrocks> yeah
[18:00] <didrocks> it's building
[18:00] <seb128> didrocks, if you need to go now let me know
[18:00] <seb128> I can pick up from there
[18:01] <didrocks> seb128: no, I still want to finish that :)
[18:01] <didrocks> I already doesn't like the idea to upload something before leaving
[18:01] <seb128> do you have any moving starting tonight?
[18:01] <didrocks> no, it's tomorrow, fortunately :)
[18:01] <didrocks> and they just announce the freebox V6 \o/
[18:01] <didrocks> perfect timing
[18:01] <seb128> didrocks, don't worry if it breaks we will not fix it and complain about you for the week
[18:01] <didrocks> seb128: of course, like "screw didier"
[18:02] <didrocks> I see, I see :)
[18:02] <seb128> we would complain about it next week as well but we are in holidays :p
[18:02] <didrocks> insult emails I hope too? :)
[18:03] <seb128> sure, why not ;-)
[18:06] <didrocks> ok, trying that, bbiab
[18:12] <seb128> tremolux, mvo: hey
[18:13] <seb128> so searching for "unity" in s-c returns the unity items in rank 9.
[18:13] <seb128> what component is buggy? s-c? xapian?
[18:13] <tremolux> seb128: hey!
[18:13] <seb128> like unity places, and libs are before it
[18:14] <seb128> also shouldn't the libraries be under "technical items" or something?
[18:14] <seb128> that's s-c 3.1.6 on natty
[18:14] <tremolux> seb128: yep, I see that
[18:15] <tremolux> seb128: we do have one open bug about the package being searched not being returned first
[18:15] <seb128> ok, so "known issue", thanks ;-)
[18:15] <tremolux> seb128: but please feel free to file against s-c and we will sort it
[18:16] <seb128> let me see if I find a matching bug
[18:16] <seb128> ok, bug #509318
[18:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 509318 in software-center (Ubuntu) "search for specific application does not return that application at top of results list (affects: 10) (dups: 5) (heat: 67)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509318
[18:16] <seb128> it has 5 dups
[18:16] <seb128> can we get that on some natty buglist of yours? ;-)
[18:17] <tremolux> seb128: you bet  :)
[18:17] <seb128> thanks
[18:18] <bryceh> pitti, btw have you had a chance to look at bug #685017 ?
[18:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685017 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Jockey should warn on insufficient disk space in LiveCD environment, else get error "package nvidia-current 260.19.21-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" (affects: 10) (dups: 8) (heat: 406)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685017
[18:18] <seb128> bryceh, I think he left for the evening
[18:18] <seb128> (he will probably read the backlog tomorrow though)
[18:18] <bryceh> seb128, ah bummer
[18:46] <seb128> mterry, btw what happened to your workspace switcher fix
[18:46] <seb128> the one to make the expose change on single click
[18:46] <seb128> change -> activate
[18:47] <mterry> seb128, I never had a fix for workspace switcher.  I had a fix for when you 'expose' an app
[18:47] <mterry> seb128, they didn't like an aspect of my fix and a dev is working on it
[18:47] <mterry> seb128, it's in their hands now  :)
[18:48] <seb128> mterry, I though you changed the workspace overview to act on single click rather than double click
[18:48] <seb128> oh ok
[18:48] <mterry> seb128, I was complaining about that.  :)  I filed a bug, but haven't worked on it
[18:49] <seb128> ok, I must have been confusing that with some other bug you worked on
[18:49] <seb128> I'm annoying by it as well now :p
[18:49] <seb128> annoyed rather
[18:49] <mterry> seb128, heh  :)  eventually someone will patch it
[18:49] <seb128> I started using the launcher as much as the keyboard
[18:49] <seb128> I like it but that one is annoying me :p
[18:54] <ricotz> seb128, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/1395455/+listing-archive-extra ;)
[18:55] <seb128> ricotz, weird
[18:56] <ricotz> seb128, weird?
[18:57] <seb128> urg
[18:57] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60602544/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.gedit_2.91.3-0ubuntu1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:57] <seb128> "/build/buildd/gedit-2.91.3/gedit/theatrics/gedit-theatrics-animated-widget.c:101: undefined reference to `GDK_DRAWABLE'"
[18:57] <seb128> that doesn't seem to be something the git commit fix
[18:57] <ricotz> yes
[18:57] <seb128> ?
[18:58] <seb128> ups, it does
[18:58] <seb128> can't read today ;-)
[18:59] <seb128> thanks!
[18:59] <ricotz> libgnomekbd - 2.91.3.1-1~build1 the same problem
[19:00] <ricotz> http://git.gnome.org/browse/libgnomekbd/commit/?id=5caef9597d141367afbfbd54fbb3f94b6509c291
[19:00] <seb128> ricotz, do you want to fix it as well?
[19:00] <seb128> if you have fixes for the ppa feel free to use merge requests
[19:01] <seb128> we try to review those regularly
[19:01] <seb128> or open a bug with the url to your ppa
[19:01] <seb128> or a debdiff
[19:01] <seb128> what works best for you ;-)
[19:05] <ricotz> seb128, i will do a mergerequest
[19:05] <seb128> thanks
[19:27] <ricotz> seb128, i proposed gedit, but libgnomekbd wont work like this, because it isnt stacked
[19:28] <seb128> stacked?
[19:28] <ricotz> launchpad recognizes the parent branch when i push the changed branch
[19:29] <ricotz> i dont know how to create a branch for my account stacked on the branch in ubuntu-members
[19:30] <seb128> ricotz, what do you mean?
[19:31] <seb128> ricotz, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:31] <seb128> work work work
[19:31] <seb128> bzr commit
[19:31] <seb128> bzr push lp:~ricotz/libgnomekbd/update
[19:31] <ricotz> if i push my changes to lp:~ricotz/gedit/ubuntugtk3, launchpad recognizes the parent branch
[19:32] <ricotz> seb128, yes, but the libgnomekbd isnt a branch of the official libgnomekbd branch
[19:32] <seb128> well if you do what I said it should just work
[19:32] <ricotz> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:32] <seb128> click on "Propose for merging"?
[19:32] <ricotz> but i can propose a merge to the ubuntu-members!
[19:32] <seb128> and set lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:33] <ricotz> seb128, i know, but they dont have a common base
[19:33] <seb128> ?
[19:33] <seb128> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:33] <seb128> r41 is lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:33] <seb128> no?
[19:33] <ricotz> it is a copy
[19:34] <ricotz> because launchpad has stacked
[19:34] <ricotz> it
[19:34] <seb128> what do you mean by stacked?
[19:34] <seb128> what happen if you open https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3/+register-merge
[19:34] <seb128> set lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:34] <seb128> and click propose merge?
[19:34] <ricotz> seb128, it doesnt work this way
[19:35] <seb128> ok, I guess I don't understand what you did
[19:35] <ricotz> like i said, to be able to merge branches they must have a common parent
[19:35] <seb128> yeah, I would assume that
[19:35] <seb128>  ricotz, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:35] <seb128>  work work work
[19:35] <seb128>  bzr commit
[19:35] <seb128>  bzr push lp:~ricotz/libgnomekbd/update
 well if you do what I said it should just work
[19:35] <seb128> it's just a commit over a checkout
[19:36] <seb128> or did you do something different?
[19:36] <seb128> r41 should be common
[19:36] <ricotz> the problem is that ~ubunut-members/libgnomekdb/ubuntugtk3 isnt a child of lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntu
[19:36] <seb128> it doesn't need to
[19:37] <seb128> you want to merge to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:37] <seb128> not "ubuntu"
[19:37] <seb128> ubuntu is the natty version
[19:37] <seb128> "ubuntugtk3" the ppa one
[19:38] <seb128> ricotz,
[19:38] <seb128> $ bzr merge lp:~ricotz/libgnomekbd/ubuntugtk3
[19:38] <seb128> +N  debian/patches/100_gdkwindow_patch.patch
[19:38] <seb128>  M  debian/changelog
[19:38] <seb128>  M  debian/patches/series
[19:38] <seb128> All changes applied successfully.
[19:38] <seb128> ricotz, I can merge your change
[19:38] <seb128> I don't get why it wouldn't work on launchpad
[19:38] <ricotz> yes, but i cant propose the merge over launchpad
[19:38] <seb128> what error does it give you?
[19:38] <seb128> what vcs did you select to merge?
[19:41] <ricotz> now it works, i seems i had to wait for time before trying it :(
[19:41] <seb128> ok, weird
[19:41] <ricotz> sorry
[19:41] <seb128> no worry, sorry that launchpad is being stupid
[19:42] <seb128> you are sure you didn't pick the "ubuntu" rather than "ubuntugtk3" before?
[19:42] <ricotz> yes
[19:42] <seb128> ok, so launchpad bug I say
[19:42] <seb128> well at least it worked now ;-)
[19:50] <mvo> seb128: re unity> one problem is that its not a app, just a package
[19:50] <mvo> hey glatzor
[19:50] <mvo> seb128: but let me check why its not nr 1 in the search
[19:52] <seb128> mvo, how do you define an application?
[19:52] <mvo> seb128: if it has a desktop file
[19:52] <seb128> mvo, weird, "nautilus" is not listed at all
[19:52] <seb128> I guess I just pick weird examples :p
[19:53] <glatzor> servus mvo
[19:53] <seb128> hey glatzor
[19:53] <glatzor> mvo, greetings from angeliqùe!
[19:53] <glatzor> evening seb128 !
[19:54] <mvo> seb128: nautilus is hidden as a technical item
[19:54] <mvo> glatzor: greetings to her from me as well :)
[19:54] <seb128> mvo, gnome-control-center lists nothing
[19:54] <seb128> not even technical items
[19:54] <seb128> mvo, why is nautilus a technical item?
[19:54] <seb128> mvo, out of teasing you it seems to work for most applications I tried
[19:55] <seb128> mvo, even when I show technical items nautilus is not showing
[19:55] <seb128> I see nautilus-data though
[19:55] <seb128> wth
[19:55] <mvo> seb128: its there, just way down
[19:56] <seb128> s-c freezes when scrolling with the mouse wheel for several seconds
[19:56] <mvo> oh?
[19:56] <seb128> like compiz set the dialog as frozen
[19:56] <seb128> and it's my new laptop
[19:56] <seb128> i5 on ssd
[19:57] <mvo> what search triggered this freeze?
[19:59] <seb128> nautilus
[19:59] <seb128> in the "provided by ubuntu" list
[20:00] <seb128> hum, now the "provided by ubuntu" keeps spinning
[20:01] <seb128> like it never displays anything
[20:01] <seb128> even after restarting s-c
[20:01] <seb128> I guess I got the backend to bug
[20:01] <mvo> even after restarting? with the same search terms?
[20:01] <mvo> anything in .xsession-errors?
[20:01] <seb128> no, no search
[20:01] <seb128> selecting "provided by ubuntu" after the start give me a right pane spinner
[20:01] <seb128> which never stops
[20:03] <seb128> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543782/
[20:03] <seb128> "2010-12-14 21:01:35,493 - softwarecenter.app - INFO - software-center-agent finished with status 1"
[20:03] <mvo> hm, that should be ok
[20:03] <mvo> ohh
[20:03] <mvo> thanks seb128
[20:03] <mvo> seb128: two bugs in 5 minutes use
[20:03] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[20:03] <mvo> seb128: I should not talk to you anymore ;)
[20:03] <seb128> $ ps ax | grep apt
[20:03] <seb128> 13757 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/sbin/aptd
[20:03] <seb128> 13855 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto apt
[20:04] <seb128> no aptdaemon running
[20:04] <mvo> thats ok
[20:04] <mvo> its doing the querries locally
[20:04] <mvo> without dbus
[20:04] <mvo> KeyError: 'pkgname'
[20:04] <seb128> ok
[20:04] <mvo> that is the catch
[20:04] <seb128> ok
[20:04] <seb128> need to run for late dinner
[20:04] <seb128> see you later ;-)
[20:04] <mvo> see you
[20:04] <mvo> seb128: … and thanks !
[20:14] <glatzor> mvo, problems with aptdaeom
[20:14] <glatzor> ?
[20:14] <glatzor> mvo, have you seen my patch for maverick?
[20:15] <mvo> glatzor: I uploaded it , many thanks
[20:15] <mvo> glatzor: no problems with aptdaemon, just with the seach code :)
[20:16] <glatzor> mvo, you are now using some advanced features of xapian in s-c?
[20:17] <mvo> glatzor: sort of, spelling suggestions, matchdecider and the like
[20:17] <mvo> glatzor: or what do you mean with "advanced" ?
[20:17] <mvo> glatzor: the new fastlist code is pretty neat, displays 30k items in a treeview in 0.2s
[20:18] <glatzor> this is already advanced. :)
[20:19] <mvo> heh :) ok
[20:19] <glatzor> whoa
[20:19] <mvo> why?
[20:19] <mvo> I mean, why do you ask?
[20:19] <glatzor> i wrote on a xapian based OPAC index in the last monthes
[20:19] <mvo> cool
[20:20] <mvo> glatzor: is it available somewhere? or closed ?
[20:20] <mvo> glatzor: maybe you have some tips ?
[20:20] <mvo> for s-c ?
[20:20] <glatzor> mvo, closed source but GPL
[20:20] <glatzor> :)
[20:21] <mvo> lol
[20:21] <glatzor> I perform a second search with the corrected query string before showing it
[20:22] <mvo> glatzor: in case of mistypes?
[20:22] <glatzor> this way I only show corrected queries which would improve the results (max attained)
[20:22] <glatzor> right
[20:23] <mvo> so far I only use it if there are no results, but it sounds like a good idea to always try it
[20:24] <mvo> seb128: unity rank bug is fixed in trunk
[20:24] <glatzor> mvo, with xapian 1.2.3 you also get a corrected query if the original one returned results
[20:24] <glatzor> mvo, a very nice feature are facets
[20:24] <mvo> \o/
[20:24] <mvo> glatzor: I have not explored those, what docs do you recommend (or what code)?
[20:25] <glatzor> I have only found the xapian doc so far. but i read the lucene in action and the solr book.
[20:26] <glatzor> the former one explains a lot of modern search engine features
[20:27] <glatzor> facets allow you to show the number of results in a category without having to perform a second sub query
[20:28] <glatzor> mvo, the german compound words a very evil. The OPAC is for lawyers. so there are very exotic terms, e.g arbeitnehmererfindungsgesetz
[20:29] <mvo> glatzor: hm, the xapian docs look pretty sparse
[20:29] <mvo> glatzor: I will check the lucene book
[20:29] <glatzor> mvo, but they are enough to transfer knowledge if you are familiar with the concepts
[20:30] <glatzor> there is a second edition of lia targeting the 3.0 api
[20:34] <mvo> thanks glatzor
[20:35] <glatzor> mvo, I will ask my friend if I can send you the backends
[20:35] <glatzor> there is a xapian and a lucene one. but the later isn't as feature rich as the former one
[20:35] <mvo> glatzor: that would be cool, especially the facet stuff I would love to learn more
[20:36] <glatzor> mvo, it isn't much code 200 loc with comments
[20:36] <glatzor> that is the nice thing about xapian
[20:36] <mvo> amazing
[20:36] <glatzor> the whole backend is 200loc
[20:37] <glatzor> :)
[20:37] <mvo> !
[20:37] <glatzor> facets 10 :)
[20:37] <mvo> lol
[20:37] <mvo> just send those 10 to me ,)
[20:37] <mvo> its pretty amazing what xapian can do, I'm always pretty stunned
[20:40] <glatzor> mvo, I think that I can send you the code tomorrow
[20:45] <mvo> thanks glatzor
[20:45] <mvo> glatzor: sounds cool, I will leave for bed soonish
[20:45] <glatzor> enjoy yourself!
[20:46] <glatzor> angi also already sleeps next to me
[20:46] <glatzor> amazingly how fast this can go :)
[20:47] <mvo> haha
[20:47]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[20:50]  * glatzor drückt den mvo
[21:02] <seb128> mvo, thanks for fixing the issue ;-)
[21:02] <mvo> seb128: second one is in the works but a but tricky
[21:02] <mvo> for tomorrow
[21:02]  * mvo waves
[21:13] <pitti> bryceh: I didn't see that one yet
[21:14] <pitti> bryceh: I'll have a look later
[21:14] <pitti> good night everyone
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> good night pitti
[21:27] <bryceh> pitti, yeah I figure right now people are testing ubuntu via usb drives a lot, but jono recently posted a blog suggesting maxing out persistent storage on usb drives, and when you do that and try to install kernel drivers, it blows up
[21:27] <bryceh> there've been a bunch of bugs reported that fall into this category
[21:28] <bryceh> pitti, I've set up a usb-creator bug requesting that it be more conservative at not allowing 100% of remaining space to be reserved for the persistent store, to leave some for system updates so new kernels can be installed
[21:29] <bryceh> pitti, but I also think it would be good for jockey to be aware of this situation and pop up an error message when there's not enough space
[22:03] <jasoncwarner> morning TheMuso: bryceh:
[22:04] <TheMuso> Hey jasoncwarner.
[22:04] <jasoncwarner> robert_ancell might not be here for meeting
[22:04] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner: Sorry to hear that you aren't 100%.
[22:04] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-14
[22:04] <cyphermox> jasoncwarner, feeling better now?
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> TheMuso: thanks...feeling a bit better now. hope to rest some more the rest of the day ....
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> cyphermox: getting there! slept more than usual, and that always helps :)
[22:05] <cyphermox> jasoncwarner, +1 on that
[22:05] <TheMuso> Hrm we do not have a RAOF.
[22:05] <cyphermox> gf wanted us to get up at 5 am to take the train to work :/
[22:06] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: TheMuso want to get started and see if RAOF joins us?
[22:06] <TheMuso> Sure.
[22:06] <jasoncwarner> cyphermox: ugh!
[22:06] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] X Update
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: can you update on X (RAOF is on holiday)
[22:09] <bryceh> oh hey
[22:09] <bryceh> sorry was troubleshooting login problems with IS
[22:09] <TheMuso> ah make sense
[22:09] <bryceh> a few X items of note
[22:10] <bryceh> we've made xserver finally able to automatically configure -fglrx and -nvidia
[22:10] <TheMuso> Nice.
[22:10] <bryceh> so now if you have either driver installed you can boot with no xorg.conf
[22:11] <bryceh> we've been troubleshooting a bug with usb drives where if you set your persistent storage to maximum or near-max, it doesn't leave enough space on the drive to update initrd
[22:11] <jasoncwarner> awesome.
[22:11] <bryceh> so that means if you try installing -nvidia or other kernel drivers, it'll make the drive unbootable or fail in other weird ways
[22:11] <bryceh> seems to be a usb-creator usability issue, or perhaps something jockey needs to detect better.
[22:12] <bryceh> beyond that I've been mostly doing testing of wayland and unity on various graphics cards, and doing bug work on X bugs reported against natty
[22:13] <bryceh> ( http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg )
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> ok...I'll grab you after this about something on wayland :)
[22:13] <bryceh> we're still finding it pretty effective to use this workqueue approach to stay on top of things
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> ok.. TheMuso, anything you wanted to comment on?
[22:14] <TheMuso> Not really, have hit a snag with unity and panel accessibiliity enablement, have asked DX for help, but haven't heard anything yet. I forgot to CC gary with my initial message, so will bounce him a copy of the email shortly.
[22:15] <jasoncwarner> ok
[22:15] <jasoncwarner> yeah, check with gary as well.
[22:15] <bryceh> RAOF is off on vacation for the next few days btw and out of town so I don't anticipate him showing up online
[22:15] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: thanks
[22:15] <jasoncwarner> speaking of that, bryceh TheMuso are you guys here next week or are you on holiday?
[22:16]  * TheMuso is on holiday from tomorrow through to the end of the year.
[22:16] <bryceh> jasoncwarner, I'm here, although I have +1 unrequested holiday day I need to schedule
[22:17] <bryceh> also, I think I'm coming down with a cold (both wife and son have been sick the last few days, I think I'm succumbing) so might be out a day or two this week
[22:17]  * bryceh takes some echinecea
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: run!
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> I think I got mine b/c son is in new daycare in new country
[22:18] <jasoncwarner> stupid new germs
[22:18] <bryceh> yep, daycare seems to be a germ breeding ground
[22:18] <jasoncwarner> I'm not sure it makes sense to have a meeting next week, but I'll let everyone know. This might be last meeting of year.
[22:18] <bryceh> I've got a few alpha-2/3 tasks I want to try to do while things are quiet next week, and also have a couple leftover tasks from my launchpad rotation I've been procrastinating that I'd like to finalize
[22:19] <bryceh> and beyond that just continue holding down the bugs fort and keep the graph flat :-)
[22:19] <bryceh> btw, speaking of bugs and unity...
[22:19] <jasoncwarner> :)
[22:20] <bryceh> is it worthwhile to report bugs I find, or should we wait until after the next code drop and/or next year?
[22:20] <bryceh> I think most of the issues I've seen must already be known
[22:21] <jasoncwarner> I would say check with didrocks, but he is without internet for a couple of days
[22:21] <jasoncwarner> check with seb, perhaps.
[22:21] <bryceh> alright
[22:21] <jasoncwarner> I would error on telling someone so we know about the bu rather than not reporting it only b/c we don't want to be surprised later
[22:22] <jasoncwarner> Ok, sounds like we are done
[22:22] <jasoncwarner> anything else before I call it?
[22:22] <bryceh> not from I
[22:23] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[22:23] <TheMuso> not from me
[22:23] <jasoncwarner> Ok... TheMuso enjoy your holiday. :)
[22:23] <TheMuso> Thanks, going to see what I can do today first, i.e try and unsnag myself. :)
[22:48] <seb128> re
[22:50] <hyperair> hmm this is interesting
[22:50] <hyperair> gtk_label_set_text leaks memory
[22:50] <hyperair> whoever knew?
[22:51] <bcurtiswx> hyperair, that a gtk3 string ?
[22:51] <hyperair> unless 6M of memory allocation is okay for that function..
[22:51] <hyperair> bcurtiswx: no, this is maverick, with valgrind running on indicator-applet
[22:51] <bcurtiswx> ok
[22:52] <bcurtiswx> who runs the GNOME3 PPA other than me ? rodrigo_ i know of..but who else?
[22:53] <seb128> bcurtiswx, nobody
[22:53] <seb128> or maybe robert_ancell
[22:53]  * robert_ancell hides
[22:53] <hyperair> another one seems to be dbus_g_proxy_end_call, allocating 37M worth of memory
[22:53] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, do you run the GNOME3 PPA ?
[22:53] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, yes, in a VM
[22:53] <hyperair> or maybe dbusmenu isn't freeing data it's supposed to be
[22:53] <seb128> hey robert_ancell ;-)
[22:53] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[22:54] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, can you bzr get/branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/folks/ubuntu
[22:54] <bcurtiswx> and hi :D
[22:55] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, ok, got it
[22:56] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you guys have your meeting yet?
[22:56] <bcurtiswx> oh, am i interrupting ?
[22:56] <robert_ancell> seb128, I had to head out, and jasoncwarner was sick, so not sure
[22:57] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, was there a meeting?  Also RAOF seems to be away
[22:57] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Yeah rather short, everything that was talked about is on the notes page.
[22:58] <seb128> ok
[22:58] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, the empathy issue is due to a GTK api changes - the branch I made has the patches updated to work with the new GTK
[22:58] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, cheers
[22:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, what's new in your side of the ubuntu world? ;-)
[22:59] <seb128> is there anything you work on that I should know about
[22:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, gdm is pissing me off as normal :)
[22:59] <seb128> or anything I should work on
[22:59] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, you updated all the empathy patches for the new GTK ?
[22:59] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, yes
[22:59]  * bcurtiswx hugs robert_ancell
[23:00] <bcurtiswx> i'll use your branch then
[23:00] <seb128> debian ships the new empathy in experimental
[23:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, in case you didn't notice debian started packaging GNOME3
[23:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, just finishing off updating GNOME, not a lot more to do there.  Will be looking at Unity more over the next two weeks
[23:00] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes and robert_ancell has updated all the patches to make it work with the new gtk
[23:00] <seb128> you can probably see a bit of that from the version page
[23:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, are they using our packages?  Please tell me they are
[23:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, let's say they mostly do so far because mterry and I pushed our patches and work
[23:01] <seb128> not sure they would be proactive at grabbing what we did otherwise
[23:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, into git/svn?
[23:01] <seb128> either into their svn or in the bts
[23:03] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, when i bzr get i end up sitting in a state of purgatory with nothing happening.  do you see this too ?
[23:03] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, on all branches?  The folks branch seemed to bzr pull fine just before for me
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> yeah, seems all branches.
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> but i think its due to something with my keys, as i usually do the get and a window comes up trying to grab my master key
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> but it doesn't right now
[23:06] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, hmm, that sounds like some sort of gnome-keyring/ssh-agent problem.  I don't have that running, so the password prompt is just at the command line
[23:07] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, is there a way I can disable gnome-keyring temporarily ?
[23:09] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, sorry, don't know
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i can confirm its something with my gnome-keyring.. i sudo bzr get and it works as expected (fails, but works)
[23:17] <bcurtiswx> whats the GUI called that comes up asking for authentication ?
[23:18] <robert_ancell> Riddell, pitti, awake anyone?
[23:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, what do you need?
[23:20] <seb128> who is "anyone"?
[23:22] <robert_ancell> seb128, people who can get stuff out of the NEW queue...
[23:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, I can
[23:22] <seb128> but seems you don't want to talk to me :p
[23:22] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh really, you didn't want to tell me that :)
[23:22] <seb128> lol
[23:22] <seb128> it's not new ;-)
[23:23] <seb128> I'm archive admin since between you joined I think
[23:23] <seb128> before
[23:23] <seb128> I usually doing desktop syncs and NEWing for transitions ;-)
[23:23] <robert_ancell> I just uploaded a lightdm package.  It's been rejected twice by pitti and Riddell for different missing copyright information.  I'm hoping third time lucky :)
[23:24] <seb128> lol
[23:24] <robert_ancell> (this means you'll probably find a different copyright I've missed)
[23:24] <seb128> let's see if you get a third one ;-)
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[23:28] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, I notice you were talking to ricotz about the GNOME3 PPA access, what did you decide.  I've also been thinking about this.  Perhaps we should make a gnome3-team on LP so we can get more people to upload to it
[23:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, I was thinking about that as well
[23:28] <seb128> I didn't think that the team was giving upload rights as well when we started
[23:28] <robert_ancell> seb128, shall we do it?  I can set that up today, and upload everything to it
[23:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw can you try to review merge requests on the ppa every now and then?
[23:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, do we have some, I haven't seen any
[23:29] <seb128> we don't get notified about those so it's not trivial to track
[23:29] <robert_ancell> oh, I had no idea.  I'll look at those
[23:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, like you redid gnome-control-center when rodrigo had it done for over a week waiting for sponsoring
[23:29] <seb128> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+activereviews
[23:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, ^ url to wathc
[23:30] <seb128> watch
[23:31] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok.  Do those guys use the versions page?  If they have a bug open I'll see that too (note you have to add the desktop-upgrade tag manually as LP changed API)
[23:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, "those guys"
[23:32] <seb128> ?
[23:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, it's just people who don't have upload rights
[23:32] <seb128> like rodrigo
[23:32] <robert_ancell> and ricotz
[23:32] <seb128> every update rodrigo does need to be reviewed and merged and uploaded
[23:32] <seb128> right, just mentioning rodrigo because he did a lot of updates
[23:33] <seb128> ricotz started today
[23:33] <micahg> robert_ancell: BTW, you can copy the current GNOME3 PPA packages to the new PPA if that's the direction you're going
[23:33] <robert_ancell> seb128, is that his choice?  In terms of the GNOME3 PPA I'd say just upload them
[23:33] <robert_ancell> micahg, yes, I'll migrate them all over, then we can close the old PPA
[23:34] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, ubuntu-desktop membership gives upload rights to the ubuntu desktop set
[23:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, we had to unsubscribe rodrigo
[23:35] <seb128> he still does mistake and was not ready to get upload right to proper ubuntu
[23:35] <seb128> there was a discussion on ubuntu-desktop list a month ago
[23:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, that's right.  Perhaps we should push all the GNOME3 branches to the gnome3-team as well so he can commit to thiose
[23:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, well, we started like this because I think review is the easiest way for rodrigo to get comments on his work
[23:39] <seb128> so the best way to get real commit and upload rights
[23:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, doing merges and uploads is not so much work
[23:39] <seb128> and we win real uploaders after some time
[23:39] <robert_ancell> sure, it's just they get easily missed.
[23:39] <seb128> for you :p
[23:40] <robert_ancell> I don't have people pinging me on IRC during my day :)
[23:40] <seb128> rodrigo is in my tz so he pings me until I do sponsor things :p
[23:40] <robert_ancell> I'll see if I can get versions to show the merge requests
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> i can surely ping you more on IRC robert_ancell :)
[23:40] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, please do!
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> i think that just made seb128 give a sigh of relief :P
[23:41] <robert_ancell> when I'm doing the patch pilot days, there's no-one bugging me!
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> just lemme know when you don't want my annoyingness and i'll leave ya along ;)
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> alone*
[23:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, there is not a lot of IRC pings for patch pilots in our tz either
[23:43] <seb128> the work is mainly on the queue
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> what is a patch pilot ?
[23:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, should be easy to copy the sponsoring queue code to list those
[23:44] <seb128> bcurtiswx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[23:45] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw do you take any end of year break?
[23:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, didrocks started his holidays today, ted is on holiday, pitti starts thursday
[23:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, I'm start at the end of the week
[23:46] <seb128> so starting next week it should be really quiet around
[23:46] <seb128> just to let you know
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> Well happy holidays to all, before you all leave
[23:47] <robert_ancell> I'm just taking the time between Christmas and New Years
[23:47] <seb128> bcurtiswx, to you as well if you have some time off ;-)
[23:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok
[23:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw did you read the meeting page yet?
[23:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry to dump questions and infos on you :p
[23:48] <seb128> using the time we are both online to sync ;-)
[23:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm halfway through it - I'm doing about 5 things at once at the moment :)
[23:48] <seb128> hehe
[23:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, there is a debian gir transition to do
[23:48] <seb128> no build issues but renaming all the girs
[23:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, the 1.2 one.  groan
[23:49] <seb128> do you want to do it before the end of year or after?
[23:49] <robert_ancell> yeah, I can do that
[23:49] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I'm going to prepare a 4 merges to sponsor by you :) it will be done in a few day
[23:49] <ari-tczew> days
[23:50] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, ok, busy next week and a half
[23:51] <seb128> robert_ancell, I was not asking if you want to do
[23:51] <seb128> or rather not asking you to do the transition
[23:51] <seb128> just whether you had a preference on when
[23:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, well in any case it's a matter of merging the new gobject-introspection on debian
[23:52] <seb128> then we can start doing changes
[23:52] <seb128> or syncing on debian the one they renamed we have in sync
[23:52] <seb128> start on it if you want
[23:52] <seb128> tomorrow I patch pilot but I will do work on that on thursday
[23:53] <robert_ancell> my preference is as early as possible, before we really need things to be stable
[23:53] <seb128> if you want to start today feel free
[23:53] <seb128> or tomorrow
[23:53] <seb128> I will start and do what I can on thursday othewise
[23:53] <seb128> I think I will be busy with unity on friday
[23:53] <seb128> didrocks is off and I need to take over the weekly update
[23:54] <seb128> the transition should be pretty trivial since there is no abi change, just binaries to rename
[23:54] <robert_ancell> right - are there any major unity updates before the new year?
[23:54] <seb128> weekly release
[23:54] <robert_ancell> and lots of dependencies to update
[23:54] <seb128> well not lot, the unity stack
[23:54] <seb128> unity
[23:54] <seb128> nux
[23:54] <robert_ancell> do they have a full team working on it?  Or just a few people not on holiday
[23:55] <seb128> the unity team is mostly working
[23:55] <seb128> ted is on holidays
[23:55] <seb128> so the indicator stack is on hold
[23:55] <robert_ancell> being whipped hard then.  Merry Christmas!
[23:55] <seb128> ;-)
[23:56] <seb128> the indicator stack is stucked, they didn't see appmenu was needed to be ported to gdbus at the same time as other things
[23:56] <seb128> ted will resume on that after the holidays
[23:56] <robert_ancell> I has to be ported?
[23:56] <seb128> everything needs to be ported in once
[23:56] <robert_ancell> linking issues?
[23:57] <seb128> no, similar to the gtk2 and gtk3 issue
[23:57] <robert_ancell> yeah
[23:57] <seb128> if some indicators load the old abi and some the new one things are unhappy
[23:57] <seb128> so appindicator has been ported
[23:57] <seb128> but not appmenu
[23:57] <seb128> which means things with a menu and an indicator are unhappy
[23:58] <seb128> the process get both versions loaded and it crashes
[23:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw speaking of which gtk3 theming is a fail
[23:59] <seb128> CImi thinks it's not possible to port murrine
[23:59] <seb128> gtk3 doesn't give him a pointer to the widgets
[23:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, impossible or just really hard?
[23:59] <seb128> he basically needs to write a new theme
[23:59] <robert_ancell> ow