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| pitti | hello | 14:58 |
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| cjwatson | I didn't screw up the timezone, did I? I can never remember whether Google Calendar is an hour off or not | 14:59 |
| pitti | looks fine to me | 15:00 |
| kees | \o | 15:00 |
| mdz | cjwatson: hi | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: around? | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | I have been having a frustrating day involving elusive VESA BIOS specifications and repeated reboots, so a meeting is almost a welcome relief :P | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | ok, we have quorum, Keybuk can join in if/when he notices | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | #startmeeting | 15:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is cjwatson. | 15:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Action review | 15:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action review | 15:02 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: I'm here | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | are there any actions? I saw none in the minutes from last time | 15:02 |
| Keybuk | IRC client wasn't bouncing loud enough | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: ah, hello | 15:02 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: my day has been less frustrating | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | and there was christmas pudding | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | lucky you ;-) | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | I'll take it that there are no actions then | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Reorganizing drivers/owners/release managers permissions in Launchpad (Matt Zimmerman) | 15:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Reorganizing drivers/owners/release managers permissions in Launchpad (Matt Zimmerman) | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | mdz: you have the floor | 15:04 |
| mdz | cjwatson: ok | 15:04 |
| mdz | so it's time to throw the switch | 15:04 |
| mdz | I want to make sure that we've told folks that this is happening, so that if there are rough edges, they know how to get them fixed | 15:04 |
| mdz | I've passed the word down within Canonical | 15:05 |
| mdz | but that's obviously not enough | 15:05 |
| mdz | nothing should actually change in practice | 15:06 |
| mdz | it's just cleaning up the disorganization in LP | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | agreed; can we use ubuntu-release for the "release manager" role? | 15:06 |
| mdz | that sounds appropriate; is that not already what's in the bug report? | 15:07 |
| pitti | if we can't, there woudl still be something wrong in LP | 15:07 |
| mdz | [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/174375 | 15:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/174375 | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 174375 in Launchpad Registry "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] | 15:07 |
| mdz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/17 | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | mdz: you said "Create a new team to fill the 'release manager' role, and populate it appropriately (if we don't already have one)" | 15:07 |
| mdz | [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/17 | 15:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/17 | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | so I was just filling that in | 15:07 |
| mdz | cjwatson: right, if ubuntu-release is the right set of people for those permissions, then we just use that | 15:07 |
| mdz | if there should be some extra people in there for whatever reason, we should create a new team and put ubuntu-release into it | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | well, ubuntu-release is kind of informational/social, and I don't think it currently occupies any explicit slots in LP | 15:08 |
| mdz | oh | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | so if we need to extend that team we can just extend it, IMO | 15:09 |
| mdz | the other question is what to do with the 'maintainer' slot for Ubuntu | 15:09 |
| mdz | that's the one which can do things like administer mirrors | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | given the description in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/18, I think it would be appropriate for that to be techboard | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 174375 in Launchpad Registry "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] | 15:09 |
| mdz | and announcements | 15:09 |
| mdz | and AdminSpecification and EditSpecificationSubscription which sound like they should be ubuntu-drivers | 15:10 |
| pitti | hm, u-release actually sounds more appropriate for this to me | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | hm, well, announcements aren't all techboard | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I agree with pitti on reflection | 15:10 |
| pitti | for both mirroring and annoucnements | 15:10 |
| mdz | I think blueprint stuff should -> ubuntu-drivers | 15:10 |
| pitti | ^ +1 | 15:10 |
| mdz | and announcements -> release manager | 15:10 |
| pitti | that's tech leads, team managers, track leads, etc. | 15:10 |
| pitti | the blueprint-fiddling folks | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | it might also make sense to add techboard to ubuntu-release | 15:10 |
| mdz | the more I think about it the less ready I feel... | 15:11 |
| pitti | out of interest, where in LP does one assign the ubuntu-archive team? | 15:11 |
| pitti | is that hardcoded? | 15:11 |
| mdz | somebody needs to make another pass over this and write it down in a comprehensible form | 15:11 |
| mdz | maintainer can do this, release series manager can do that, drivers can do this | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ubuntu-archive has queueadmin privileges on components | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | you can see that with lp:ubuntu-archive-tools edit_acl.py | 15:12 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, thanks | 15:12 |
| pitti | mdz: do you still see something where we disagree? | 15:12 |
| mdz | pitti: who do you think should be the 'maintainer' of ubuntu? | 15:12 |
| pitti | mdz: ubuntu-release | 15:12 |
| Keybuk | ubuntu-release seems obvious | 15:13 |
| pitti | mdz: that's for announcements and mirrors, right? | 15:13 |
| mdz | pitti: and AdminSpecification and EditSpecificationSubscription and the other things in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/18 | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 174375 in Launchpad Registry "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | -release is the team most naturally involved with that day-to-day; I agree with mdz that the specification stuff there should be moved to drivers | 15:13 |
| mdz | so apparently people who need to be able to admin blueprints need to go in there | 15:13 |
| pitti | mdz: those would be ubuntu-drivers IMHO | 15:13 |
| mdz | pitti: they are currently inseparable | 15:13 |
| Keybuk | isn't the only admin being the targetting to releases? | 15:14 |
| pitti | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu has a separate "mirror admins", though | 15:14 |
| mdz | how about this | 15:14 |
| pitti | which already seems to be set correctly | 15:14 |
| mdz | we set it up so that there is a team for each slot | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | how about we create an ubuntu-maintainer team, which has ubuntu-release and ubuntu-drivers in it | 15:14 |
| mdz | ubuntu-drivers, ubuntu-maintainers, ubuntu-release-managers | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | ... is this GMTA? | 15:14 |
| mdz | write down in the description of each team what it can actually do | 15:14 |
| mdz | so that it's self-documenting | 15:14 |
| pitti | mdz: blueprints and announcements are inseparable? wasn't this the very thing that this bug was all about? | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | pitti: it was more about separating blueprint admin and bug supervision | 15:15 |
| mdz | pitti: if so, it's not fixed, according to comment #17 | 15:15 |
| mdz | though bdmurray said he thought it was done | 15:15 |
| mdz | we just passed the 3-year anniversary for this bug *sigh* | 15:16 |
| mdz | I'd like to withdraw the agenda item until I can work on it some more | 15:16 |
| mdz | unless someone wants to take it over from me | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | your suggestion of writing things in the description of each team sounds good to me | 15:16 |
| mdz | yeah, then all we need to do is get LP fixed...again | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu-maintainers can be a temporary team until the last bits of separation get fixed | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | and it should be less damaging than the ubuntu-drivers conflation, and we'll actually more or less understand what it's for | 15:17 |
| mdz | ok, I'll propose that as the first phase then | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | except perhaps a better name than ubuntu-maintainers, since maintainer == developer for many people | 15:18 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu-owner | 15:18 |
| pitti | that might stir some emotional response | 15:18 |
| mdz | I chose that because the Launchpad page says 'maintainer' | 15:18 |
| mdz | but we could ask for that to be changed | 15:18 |
| Keybuk | ubuntu-leads | 15:18 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu-release-plus-drivers | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | since that's what it is. :) | 15:19 |
| pitti | and it's ugly enough to point out that it's a temporary team | 15:20 |
| mdz | I'll draft an email to t-b and launchpad-dev and turn the crank on this again | 15:20 |
| pitti | cjwatson: +1 :) | 15:20 |
| * kees nods | 15:20 | |
| cjwatson | ok, are we done with this item for now then? | 15:22 |
| mdz | yes | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Appoint Ubuntu Launchpad stake holder | 15:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Appoint Ubuntu Launchpad stake holder | 15:23 |
| mdz | there's no name next to this one? | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | persia | 15:23 |
| mdz | looks like it was pitti | 15:23 |
| pitti | it was sent to the ML | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | persia sent the mail to the list | 15:23 |
| pitti | and we forgot about it last time | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | I would like to clarify whether this is in addition to Marjo, or replacing him | 15:23 |
| pitti | I understood "in addition" when I was talking to him | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | I spoke to persia about this in Orlando, and we reached agreement then ... but I've forgotten what that agreement was | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | the few stray neurons I have that remember that conversation think that this was essentially somebody to represent Ubuntu-as-project separately from the Ubuntu platform team | 15:24 |
| pitti | I proposed Bryce, as he has written tons of scripts for Launchpad, and is also doing massive regular bug triage, and also has experience on LP hacking | 15:25 |
| mdz | this is for Ubuntu, as opposed to Ubuntu Platform (part of Canonical) | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | in that case my memory is accurate. OK. | 15:25 |
| kees | is it ours to appoint? | 15:25 |
| kees | should this be TB or CC? | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | how close an interaction does Bryce have with the wider Ubuntu community, beyond X? | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | kees: I certainly think the representative should come from the development community; it's not strictly a technical matter but the TB may be better placed to judge | 15:26 |
| Keybuk | it was definitely persia | 15:26 |
| pitti | he hangs out in #ubuntu-desktop and discusses integration matters there as well | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: since you're one of the people persia suggested, do you have any thoughts on this you'd like to share? | 15:27 |
| Keybuk | I think I got shanghaid on the basis I'm going to shortly be the only TB member who won't be working at Canonical | 15:27 |
| Keybuk | but I wasn't really clear on why that was important | 15:28 |
| Keybuk | or indeed, why we needed a new and different stakeholder to LP than the one we already have | 15:28 |
| pitti | I think the point was to have a strong voice who doesn't have a commercial bias/pressure | 15:28 |
| Keybuk | I'd vaugely thought that we just needed a bigger stake to stab them with | 15:28 |
| Keybuk | pitti: everyone has bias or pressure of some sort | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | my understanding was that the Launchpad stakeholder meetings tend to be somewhat commercial-stake-driven, and that an explicit project representative would find it easier to stand apart from that | 15:29 |
| pitti | right, they just need to average themselves out | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | Launchpad certainly used to solicit input from the platform team and the Ubuntu community somewhat separately | 15:29 |
| kees | is this stake-holder position something the LP team has agreed to having show up? (also, AIUI, such a person would need to sign an NDA due to some of the topics being discussed at the meeting) | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-November/000571.html says that Francis agreed that this would be appropriate | 15:31 |
| kees | okay | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | as overall Launchpad manager I assume that he's authoritative on this :) | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | do we need to reach agreement on whether this is an appropriate thing to do at all? | 15:32 |
| mdz | I support it | 15:33 |
| kees | I think it's reasonable | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | my view is that I can't easily say whether it will definitely be useful, but since Marjo has asked us to try and Francis is receptive to it it seems worth a go | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | I would like to hear from each of the suggested candidates before trying to select someone, though. Does anyone feel that we should issue a wider call for nominations? | 15:34 |
| kees | seems only fair -- if someone in ubuntu really wants to jump on this, we should give them a chance. | 15:35 |
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| pitti | my gut feeling is that three candidates are enough, and we already confirmed their willingness to act for this role; and as there are no particular hard privileges assigned to this, I don't think we really need a democratic vote of teh community here | 15:35 |
| pitti | (not that I'd veto one, I just feel it's a bit overkill) | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | well, except I'm not really sure I'm the right person | 15:35 |
| kees | I'm fine with that too | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | yet I ended up on the list ;) | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | so I'm not so sure about confirmed their willingness | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | :p | 15:35 |
| pitti | Keybuk: hmkay -- that's what Emmet wrote, anyway | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | sounds like a bit of chinese-whispers going on | 15:36 |
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| Keybuk | (not that I'm saying I'd be bad at it, I just suspect ENOTIME for the next several months) | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | this sounds to me as though it would be worth a quick call for anyone else who's interested, and in parallel ask the existing candidates to send in a short note to technical-board@ describing their plans? | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: would you like to explicitly excuse yourself, then? | 15:38 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: yes, for now | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | OK | 15:38 |
| Keybuk | if the position was regularly chosen, I may well put myself up for it in future, for example | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | fair enough | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | so shall I do the above as part of writing up minutes for this meeting, then? | 15:39 |
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| mdz | cjwatson: fine by me | 15:39 |
| mdz | though we shouldn't wait too long | 15:39 |
| mdz | persia already canvassed and got volunteers | 15:39 |
| mdz | so we don't really need any more | 15:39 |
| mdz | but if someone is dying for the job I don't mind them coming forward | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | I agree, I was thinking no longer than two weeks | 15:40 |
| kees | sure. could even go 1 week, just to avoid holidays, but yeah, 2 is fine. | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | one week is OK by me | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Schedule and chair (Matt Zimmerman) | 15:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Schedule and chair (Matt Zimmerman) | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | I shall not be here on the 28th | 15:41 |
| mdz | just some points of order | 15:41 |
| mdz | I'll just paste from the wiki | 15:42 |
| mdz | Next meeting is scheduled for 28 December | 15:42 |
| mdz | Will we have quorum, or should we skip it? | 15:42 |
| mdz | Mark is unavailable to chair 11 January | 15:42 |
| mdz | will anyone else be absent the 28th? | 15:42 |
| pitti | I won't be online | 15:42 |
| pitti | I'm in a train on that day | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | will Mark be around on the 28th? | 15:43 |
| mdz | cjwatson: I don't know | 15:44 |
| mdz | I've negotiated with clan that she will tell me when he's unavailable for TB | 15:44 |
| kees | I won't be here the 28th | 15:44 |
| mdz | so we don't end up without a chair | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | sounds to me as though we'll be at most barely quorate on the 28th, and probably inquorate | 15:44 |
| Keybuk | I'm unlikely to be available that day | 15:44 |
| mdz | so no pitti, no cjwatson, no kees, no keybuk | 15:44 |
| mdz | no quorum | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | ok, that's a definite no. next meeting on the 11th, then? | 15:45 |
| pitti | sounds like skipping then | 15:45 |
| mdz | so we just need a chair for the 11th | 15:45 |
| cjwatson | next in alpha sequence is kees | 15:45 |
| kees | \o/ | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | I'll take that as a yes :) | 15:46 |
| kees | :) | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | there are a few dangling items regarding SRUs and the like | 15:46 |
| kees | 11th is the rally. | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | are any of them currently blocked on TB approval? | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | kees: I think we can probably manage, maybe with a time adjustment | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | we have: | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | bzr (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-December/000596.html | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | ) | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | xubuntu-docs (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-December/000599.html) | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | linux (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-December/000597.html) | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: do you know which of those if any are outstanding? | 15:49 |
| pitti | xubuntu and bzr are missing a few more votes | 15:49 |
| pitti | which could just be sent to the ML (should be straightforward), then I'll add them to the exception page | 15:49 |
| pitti | the kernel process has by and large been worked out now | 15:49 |
| pitti | there was some misunderstanding at first | 15:49 |
| pitti | but now it's by and large what we had before, just that we now copy from teh PPA instead of accepting from -proposed | 15:50 |
| pitti | although there are still some technical difficulties, it didn't change on a policy level | 15:50 |
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| cjwatson | I will follow up to xubuntu-docs and bzr then | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | ok | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | Check up on community bugs: no change from last time | 15:51 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 15:52 |
| mdz | I'd like to make a suggestion | 15:52 |
| mdz | that we ask for AOB at the start of the meeting, rather than at the end | 15:52 |
| mdz | so that if someone turns up with an issue, we can get it on the agenda and leave time for it if necessary | 15:52 |
| Keybuk | you have OB, don't you? ;-) | 15:52 |
| mdz | just that | 15:52 |
| Keybuk | doesn't seem unreasonable | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | I'm fine with that, I'll adjust the agenda | 15:53 |
| kees | yeah | 15:53 |
| Keybuk | should be a call for additional points or something | 15:53 |
| mdz | so the first agenda item becomes "make sure the agenda is complete" | 15:53 |
| mdz | I've started doing this in my meetings and it's more effective | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | sounds like that's a wrap, then | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:54. | 15:55 |
| cjwatson | oh, mdz: thanks for organising that brainstorm review, it seems to have been a success | 15:55 |
| mdz | cjwatson: indeed, the thanks goes to the folks who wrote the responses | 15:55 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 15:57 |
| kees | thanks! | 15:57 |
| hggdh | ~รด~ | 15:58 |
| hallyn_ | \0 | 15:59 |
| Daviey | /o\ | 15:59 |
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| jjohansen | \o | 16:00 |
| JamesPage | o/ | 16:00 |
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| smoser | ok. weell, its that time of day again | 16:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | \O/ | 16:00 |
| smoser | err... week. | 16:00 |
| smoser | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | smoser: take us out Mr. Sulu | 16:01 |
| smoser | how do i "start meeting " ? | 16:01 |
| SpamapS | you say <pound>startmeeting | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | or for some.. <hash>startmeeting | 16:02 |
| zul | mmmm...hash | 16:02 |
| smoser | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is smoser. | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:02 |
| robbiew | o/ | 16:02 |
| * robbiew will lurk today....call in 30min | 16:02 | |
| ScottK | \o | 16:02 |
| smoser | hm.. seems my clever trick to get someone else to scribe has failed. | 16:02 |
| JamesPage | smoser: nice try :-) | 16:03 |
| smoser | fyi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot has such info | 16:03 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| smoser | * ALL: please check the SRU tracker for 'needs-verification' bugs [http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html] | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | Imre Gergely has been *heroic* in verifying server SRU's | 16:04 |
| smoser | it looks like i need to take a look at that. | 16:04 |
| smoser | and i will. | 16:04 |
| smoser | thanks to Imre | 16:04 |
| smoser | * ACTION: robbiew to review ServerTeam wiki | 16:05 |
| smoser | robbiew, ? | 16:05 |
| robbiew | yeah..yeah...slowly but surely | 16:05 |
| robbiew | keep it | 16:05 |
| robbiew | damn it! | 16:05 |
| smoser | [ACTION]: robbiew to review ServerTeam wiki [carried over] | 16:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: : robbiew to review ServerTeam wiki [carried over] | 16:05 |
| smoser | * ACTION: Kernel team to follow up on bug 661294 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 661294 in linux (Ubuntu) "System lock-up when receiving large files (big data amount) from NFS server" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661294 | 16:05 |
| smoser | jjohansen, smb ? | 16:06 |
| smb | I added some potential debuuging steps today | 16:06 |
| smb | Though that is the one I am not able to reproduce | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | smb: there are 2 users who are reproducing it consistently, right? | 16:07 |
| smb | I think yes. A third one has opened another bug as he thinks it might be a too different setup | 16:07 |
| smb | bug 688437 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 688437 in linux (Ubuntu) "NFS load locks processes and mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688437 | 16:08 |
| Daviey | smb: Would it help if we try and reproduce it? | 16:08 |
| smb | Daviey, Sure, it helps to know what exactly triggers it | 16:08 |
| * Daviey will try this. | 16:09 | |
| smb | The second bug seems to have some vmware involved. (at least on a quick look) | 16:09 |
| smoser | Daviey, you want an action ? | 16:09 |
| Daviey | smoser: Yeah... i have rouble with committment without an action item. | 16:09 |
| smoser | [ACTION] Daviey to try to reproduce bug 661294 | 16:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Daviey to try to reproduce bug 661294 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 661294 in linux (Ubuntu) "System lock-up when receiving large files (big data amount) from NFS server" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661294 | 16:10 |
| smoser | hope that helps your rouble. | 16:10 |
| Daviey | smoser: Yeah, that has changed my life for the better... thanks :) | 16:10 |
| smoser | It sounds to me like smb has a handle on it. if anyone else can add reproduce, that would be nice. | 16:10 |
| smoser | * ACTION: JamesPage to arrange URL for Hudson CI Server | 16:11 |
| Daviey | ^ done | 16:11 |
| JamesPage | Done: http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org:8080 | 16:11 |
| smoser | JamesPage, ^ | 16:11 |
| JamesPage | Cheers Daviey! | 16:11 |
| smoser | gracias. | 16:11 |
| Daviey | hah | 16:11 |
| hggdh | FWIW, I have seen other bugs with a hang on remote FS, and a kernel trace involving sys_sync | 16:11 |
| SpamapS | JamesPage: any reason that has to run on 8080 ? | 16:12 |
| JamesPage | SpamapS: only my lack of time to make it run on port 80 - will do by the end of the week | 16:12 |
| SpamapS | JamesPage: btw, that is amazing. ;) | 16:12 |
| hggdh | SpamapS: not really, but now we have the firewall set, and I would rather not mess with it | 16:13 |
| Daviey | to be fair, the subdomain only went live about 30 mins ago... give JamesPage a break :) | 16:13 |
| hggdh | JamesPage: mind the firewall... | 16:13 |
| JamesPage | hggdh - will do | 16:13 |
| smoser | * ACTION: spamaps to talk to his friend to try and get more info on Bug 684304 | 16:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 684304 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "cciss module does not identify resources" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684304 | 16:13 |
| smb | btw it is not only cciss that has problems | 16:13 |
| hggdh | just tried the options given by smb, but no luck (and a kernel trace) | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | smb: oh? | 16:14 |
| smb | hggdh, yep just saw it | 16:14 |
| smb | sadly no luck | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | I just spoke with him yesterday and he has the hardware in the rack but not hooked up to the network yet.. should be getting a DL360 G5 with ILO support to play with. | 16:14 |
| smb | SpamapS, Yes, there is something odd going on here, all of the pcie root ports have msi not enabled and no drivers bound | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | so carry that one forward, but maybe carry it forward as "spamaps to confirm bug #684304 on borrowed DL360 G5" | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 684304 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "cciss module does not identify resources" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684304 | 16:15 |
| hggdh | smb: you are aware that you can play with the machines, right? | 16:15 |
| smoser | [ACTION] spamaps to confirm bug #684304 on borrowed DL360 G5 | 16:15 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: spamaps to confirm bug #684304 on borrowed DL360 G5 | 16:15 |
| smb | hggdh, No, you probably need to make me aware offline | 16:15 |
| hggdh | ack | 16:16 |
| smoser | [ACTION] hggdh to tell smb about how to get at machines | 16:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: hggdh to tell smb about how to get at machines | 16:17 |
| smoser | next is | 16:17 |
| smoser | * ACTION: zul to request feedback on the install-service blueprint to the mailing list | 16:17 |
| zul | not done | 16:17 |
| Daviey | smoser: Is that a topic shift, or a warning what is the next stop? | 16:18 |
| smoser | topic shift. | 16:18 |
| smoser | [ACTION] zul to request feedback on the install-service blueprint to the mailing list (carry over) | 16:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to request feedback on the install-service blueprint to the mailing list (carry over) | 16:18 |
| smoser | moving on | 16:18 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Natty Development | 16:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Natty Development | 16:18 |
| smoser | robbiew, are you leading this topic ? | 16:18 |
| Daviey | I have one thing relevant under that topic.... | 16:19 |
| Daviey | Did everyone see the FTBFS email? | 16:19 |
| JamesPage | Yep | 16:19 |
| kirkland | Daviey: yup | 16:19 |
| robbiew | sure...I'll start with I need someone to represent us in the weekly status meeting | 16:19 |
| zul | ill do it | 16:19 |
| Daviey | robbiew: rota? :) | 16:20 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: indeed, looks like there are a few still left. | 16:20 |
| kirkland | Daviey: one question about that ... what's difference between that and Lucas Nussbaum's? that yours focuses on server packages, perhaps? | 16:20 |
| Daviey | kirkland: mine is JUST the server seed. | 16:20 |
| kirkland | Daviey: okay | 16:20 |
| robbiew | zul: thnx | 16:20 |
| kirkland | robbiew: what does that entail? | 16:21 |
| smoser | so everyone should take a look at that and see if they can't knock off a few ftbfs. | 16:21 |
| robbiew | Daviey: as long as the rotation doesn't involve me...I'm fine with it | 16:21 |
| Daviey | robbiew: heh. | 16:21 |
| robbiew | kirkland: means keeping https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty up-to-date | 16:21 |
| Daviey | robbiew: assume this is the release meeting? | 16:21 |
| Daviey | ah yes. | 16:21 |
| robbiew | mostly just tracking the bug stuff | 16:21 |
| kirkland | robbiew: ah | 16:21 |
| robbiew | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty/Detail is generated from a script | 16:21 |
| kirkland | robbiew: okay cool; zul -- it's all yours :-P | 16:21 |
| robbiew | and pulls into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 16:21 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:22 |
| Daviey | zul: If you want a hand, lemme know. :) | 16:22 |
| ScottK | Daviey: Server seed or server package set? | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | robbiew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty/Detail doesn't exist | 16:23 |
| zul | Daviey: ack | 16:23 |
| smoser | anything else here ? | 16:23 |
| robbiew | SpamapS: add an "S" | 16:23 |
| Daviey | ScottK: Seed | 16:23 |
| kirkland | zul: (yeah, i'm happy to back you up too) | 16:24 |
| ScottK | OK. I thought there were Universe packages in there, but OK. | 16:24 |
| robbiew | SpamapS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/NattyDetail | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | ah | 16:25 |
| * kim0 knocked off 2 ftbfss | 16:25 | |
| smoser | anything else here ? | 16:25 |
| smoser | hggdh, you're on | 16:25 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 16:25 |
| hggdh | I am still dead in the water re. testing UEC | 16:25 |
| === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum | ||
| robbiew | hggdh: is this to do with that kernel bug | 16:26 |
| hggdh | I have requested two machines to be set local, but right now I simply cannot test any | 16:26 |
| hggdh | robbiew: yes | 16:26 |
| robbiew | smb is supposed to be looking at it | 16:26 |
| hggdh | the only machines I currently have access to -- the UEC test rig have not been working on Nattty | 16:26 |
| robbiew | was on patch pilot yesterday | 16:27 |
| hggdh | this is blocking UEC testing | 16:27 |
| smb | right, robbiew pinged me yesterday and I checked what I could about it | 16:27 |
| hggdh | apart from that... JamesPage, myself, and others have been adding tests under Hudson. Contributions are welcome (and machines to run them under) | 16:28 |
| smb | So atm we don't have anything new | 16:28 |
| smoser | hggdh, i dont think it will affect you (my test was that it did not affect lucid UEC) but bug 688773 affects euca2ools on natty with python2.7 | 16:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 688773 in euca2ools (Ubuntu) "euca2ools give 'SignatureDoesNotMatch' error" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688773 | 16:28 |
| smb | But maybe when I know how to play remotely | 16:28 |
| hggdh | smoser: I will add it in to test when I can | 16:28 |
| hggdh | thank you | 16:29 |
| smoser | hggdh, well, if it fails, it will fail all over the place, as you wont be able to upload images :) | 16:29 |
| smoser | anything else, hggdh ? | 16:29 |
| hggdh | heh | 16:29 |
| hggdh | no, I am done, smoser | 16:29 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:30 |
| smb | There are more? :) | 16:30 |
| * smoser claps for smb and bug 651370 | 16:30 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651370 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "ec2 kernel crash invalid opcode 0000 [#1]" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651370 | 16:30 |
| smoser | and i'm under the impression that bug 667796 is soon to be fixed | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 667796 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "kernel only recognizes 32G of memory" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667796 | 16:31 |
| smb | Thanks, though I think that was still jjohansen at work | 16:31 |
| smb | smoser, right that one is simply the option | 16:31 |
| smoser | and also that jjohansen is epxecting to push bug 614853 into lucid (with the wonderful patch attached there) | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 614853 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "kernel panic divide error: 0000 [#1] SMP" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614853 | 16:31 |
| smb | its in the next proposed kernel | 16:31 |
| smb | I hope so, though we would need to ask him | 16:32 |
| smoser | all in all, i'm quite happy. i expect to have refreshed maverick images as soon as that one gets into maverick-proposed | 16:32 |
| smb | I had been tied up severely by a support escalation and another nfs bug | 16:32 |
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| jjohansen | smb: no its not yet, and I believe its likely causing another bug | 16:33 |
| smoser | and hiping for lucid update this week, which will include lucid images that can be booted with pv-grub | 16:33 |
| smoser | s/hiping/hoping/ | 16:33 |
| smb | (or to say which was another nfs bug) | 16:33 |
| smoser | that will make jjohansen and smb's life easier, as pv-grub makes kernel testing much easier. | 16:33 |
| jjohansen | \o/ | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | I haven't tried natty on ec2 yet.. is it working? | 16:33 |
| smoser | [ACTION] smoser to write a blog entry on how to use grub 'fallback' with our images. | 16:33 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: smoser to write a blog entry on how to use grub 'fallback' with our images. | 16:33 |
| smb | except micro it should by now | 16:33 |
| smb | SpamapS, ^ | 16:34 |
| smoser | SpamapS, natty boots on non-t1.micro | 16:34 |
| smoser | and... possibly (if ami-2470864d works) we have an hvm image now (cluster compute) | 16:34 |
| === emma is now known as em | ||
| smoser | smb, jjohansen the other bug that I see getting hit in maverick is bug 613273 | 16:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 613273 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel panic on ec2 in system_call_fastpath" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613273 | 16:35 |
| SpamapS | ack | 16:35 |
| smoser | although my "in system call fastpath" description is probably competely bogus | 16:35 |
| smb | well it only means in a system call | 16:35 |
| smoser | right. not generally helpful. | 16:36 |
| smoser | so thats all from me... | 16:36 |
| smb | I will update the description when I know more | 16:36 |
| smb | There was one I was looking at today which had mostly screenshots as jpg which is hard to reassemble in mind | 16:37 |
| smoser | smb, i can provide more console logs (i think) if necessary from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/ec2-test-results | 16:37 |
| smoser | anyone else have anything for kernel team ? | 16:37 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 16:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 16:38 |
| smoser | mr sommer ? | 16:39 |
| sommer | hey all, don't have anything new this week | 16:39 |
| sommer | should have time to works on docs soon | 16:39 |
| sommer | :-) | 16:39 |
| smoser | any one have questions for the great sommer ? | 16:39 |
| SpamapS | sommer: wb! | 16:40 |
| smoser | if not, then we move onto kim0 | 16:40 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 16:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 16:40 |
| kim0 | Hey everyone | 16:40 |
| kim0 | Daviey has agreed himself to be bugged about identifying venues for community contributions to cloud related projects | 16:40 |
| kim0 | Such venues will be featured on the cloud portal, and regularly advertised on our communication channels (blogs, twitter, FB, IRC events ...etc), with the aim of hopefully attracting more contributors | 16:40 |
| kim0 | I think it shouldn't be overly technical, however still fairly challenging | 16:40 |
| SpamapS | kim0: have you linked to harvest from the cloud portal yet btw? | 16:40 |
| SpamapS | kim0: last time I looked, harvest was pretty low on server specific stuff to do | 16:41 |
| kim0 | I think I need a good way to link cloud stuff to harvest first | 16:41 |
| kim0 | the portal is only cloud btw .. | 16:41 |
| SpamapS | the cloud is the server is the cloud ;) | 16:41 |
| kim0 | not sure .. cloud seems to be part of server for me | 16:42 |
| kim0 | anyway, @everyone, if you think something cloudy you're working on, is a good candidate for community contributions, please send suggestions to me kim0@ubuntu.com | 16:42 |
| zul | well....a cloud would be nice if you have something to run in it | 16:42 |
| * kim0 hugs Daviey for all the help | 16:42 | |
| smoser | for anyone not aware, kim0 is making some really nice blog posts that can be seen there on the http://cloud.ubuntu.com or at http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/ | 16:42 |
| Daviey | kim0: Ubuntu One is personal cloud... covering that? :) | 16:42 |
| kim0 | Daviey: I guess it would count :) | 16:42 |
| kim0 | smoser: and screencasts | 16:43 |
| kim0 | which brings up the other topic | 16:43 |
| smoser | i really liked http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/11/ubuntu-server-in-ec2-cloud-easy.html | 16:43 |
| kim0 | any suggestions on "trainings" or screencasts | 16:43 |
| smoser | kim0, one thing... you should be syndicated on "cloud planet" if you are not already | 16:43 |
| kim0 | you guys think would be useful | 16:43 |
| kim0 | please flood me | 16:43 |
| SpamapS | There is no 'cloud' section of harvest, and the ubuntu-server section has *one* package.. erlang | 16:43 |
| kim0 | smoser: where is that ? isn't that the one on the portal ? | 16:44 |
| smoser | hm.. i guess you handled it. | 16:44 |
| kim0 | smoser: yep .. | 16:44 |
| smoser | nijaba, used to have it. | 16:44 |
| smoser | ok. good. | 16:44 |
| kim0 | aha yeah .. I'm on that | 16:44 |
| kim0 | SpamapS: I can add a cloud section to harvest | 16:44 |
| kim0 | I'd just need you guys to point at some jobs | 16:44 |
| kim0 | the community can help with | 16:44 |
| kim0 | that's really all for me .. don't forget .. flood me :) | 16:44 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 16:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 16:45 |
| * RoAkSoAx has an announcement to make! | 16:45 | |
| * kim0 makes drum roll | 16:45 | |
| RoAkSoAx | The Cluster Stack is Finally in Main!! | 16:45 |
| kim0 | woohooo | 16:45 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 16:45 |
| SpamapS | oohhhh snap | 16:45 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: Awesome!! | 16:45 |
| RoAkSoAx | Next steps are to enable some missing features, update to latest versions, and continue with the research on HA for UEC | 16:45 |
| nijaba | RoAkSoAx really rocks | 16:46 |
| RoAkSoAx | and will announce it via blog post and ML later today | 16:46 |
| kim0 | RoAkSoAx: awesome | 16:46 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: Does it need better docs? | 16:46 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: well I wanna get docs into the server guide | 16:47 |
| RoAkSoAx | that's also what I've planned for this cycle | 16:47 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx -> talk with sommer... :) | 16:47 |
| smoser | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 16:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 16:47 |
| sommer | I'll help definitely | 16:47 |
| smoser | next meeting: Tuesday 2010-12-21 at 1600 UTC | 16:47 |
| Daviey | sommer: \o/ | 16:48 |
| smoser | i'm sure it will be well attended, since lots of people will have more time for such things since they'll be taking vacation. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | yeah the community will probably show up in droves. ;) | 16:48 |
| zul | ill be on vacation :) | 16:49 |
| JamesPage | me too :-) | 16:49 |
| Daviey | zul: Great... turn up as a community member :) | 16:49 |
| zul | Daviey: umm....no :) | 16:49 |
| kim0 | hehe | 16:49 |
| smoser | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:49. | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | quick, shut it down! | 16:49 |
| * zul is going to go see tron that day | 16:49 | |
| RoAkSoAx | lol | 16:49 |
| sommer | yay for tron! | 16:49 |
| RoAkSoAx | i could have watched it yesterday if I haven;t had to graduate | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | boo for sark! | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | RoAkSoAx: congrats! | 16:50 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: priorities! | 16:50 |
| RoAkSoAx | thanks ;) | 16:50 |
| * JFo straggles in | 16:54 | |
| * ara waves | 16:55 | |
| JFo | straggling is very tiring | 16:55 |
| JFo | ara! :) | 16:55 |
| * smb \o | 16:59 | |
| * cking \o | 17:00 | |
| JFo | o/ | 17:00 |
| sconklin | \o | 17:00 |
| bjf | # | 17:00 |
| bjf | # lets "get 'er done"! | 17:00 |
| bjf | # | 17:00 |
| bjf | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is bjf. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick | 17:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick | 17:00 |
| bjf | # | 17:00 |
| bjf | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:00 |
| bjf | # | 17:00 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf) | 17:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Status (bjf) | 17:00 |
| bjf | * Marvel (mvl-dove) | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Nothing new this week. | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Texas Instruments (ti-omap) | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Bug 633227: Native building crash. | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Tested with Linaro 2.6.37 kernel which is close to upstream mainline. Native building still fails even with highmem disabled. | 17:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 633227 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Natty) "instabilities with highmem activated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633227 | 17:01 |
| bjf | * X-loader and U-boot update from TI. | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Received 1700+ patch update from TI for 2.6.35 based Natty branch. This has been submitted to the mailing list, applied and pushed. | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Freescale i.MX51 | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Bug 605042: Java crash issue. | 17:01 |
| bjf | * Due to a lack of FSL HW in the kernel team this has been difficult to diagnose. However, some testing was done on a Babbage 2.0 | 17:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 605042 in eglibc (Ubuntu Natty) "[armel] java fails to start with eglibc-2.12-0ubuntu4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605042 | 17:01 |
| bjf | board but was unable to reproduce the issue. | 17:01 |
| bjf | .. | 17:01 |
| tgardner | I uploaded ti-omap4 for natty this AM. | 17:01 |
| tgardner | It includes a new BSP from TI, over 1700 patches since Maverick. | 17:01 |
| tgardner | .. | 17:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) | 17:02 |
| JFo | Release Meeting Bugs (8 bugs, 14 Blueprints) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Alpha 2 Milestoned Bugs (28 across all packages (up 10)) ==== | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 1 linux kernel bugs (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Release Targeted Bugs (133 across all packages (up 7)) ==== | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 11 linux kernel bugs (up 2) | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Milestoned Features ==== | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 54 Linux Bugs (up 2) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Lucid Updates Bugs | 17:02 |
| JFo | * 111 Linux Bugs (no change) | 17:02 |
| JFo | ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:142 (up 2) ==== | 17:02 |
| JFo | * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] | 17:02 |
| JFo | * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] | 17:02 |
| JFo | .. | 17:02 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 17:03 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 17:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 17:03 |
| JFo | nothing to report. | 17:03 |
| JFo | .. | 17:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) | 17:03 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) | 17:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements | 17:03 |
| cking | Changes to fwts (natty development branch): | 17:03 |
| cking | * Method test - check for null object returns | 17:03 |
| cking | * s4 - check for swap before hibernate | 17:03 |
| cking | .. | 17:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb) | 17:04 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance | 17:04 |
| smb | The last piece (script) has been started but users, support and other incidents have a tendency of getting into the path of progress *sigh*. Translation: nothing new | 17:04 |
| smb | .. | 17:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) | 17:04 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review | 17:04 |
| sconklin | Kernels for both Lucid and Maveric had all associated bugs verified last week. | 17:04 |
| sconklin | This means that it was not necessary to revert any fixes or re-upload the kernels, | 17:04 |
| sconklin | as described in the stable cadence process: | 17:04 |
| sconklin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence | 17:04 |
| sconklin | This means that the kernels currently in -proposed could immediately enter | 17:04 |
| sconklin | the Testing phase by the Cert and QA teams. | 17:04 |
| sconklin | Thanks to everyone who tested their bugs promptly. This is the optimal | 17:05 |
| sconklin | way to run the new process, with fast testing and no reverts. It's been | 17:05 |
| sconklin | a little chaotic at times, and I'd like to thank the archive admins, members | 17:05 |
| sconklin | of the cert team, and everyone else who is helping shepard this new process | 17:05 |
| sconklin | through the first few cycles. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | All releases other than Lucid and Maverick (except Hardy) have new packages | 17:05 |
| sconklin | in -proposed, which contain only security CVE fixes. Hardy is delayed due to | 17:05 |
| sconklin | a problem we encountered in moving to the new non-virtualized build ppa, and | 17:05 |
| sconklin | should be built by the end of this week. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | Testing status for these security-only kernels is unknown. They do not follow | 17:05 |
| sconklin | the same testing process as the Lucid and Maverick stable kernels. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | Most members of the kernel team are on holiday until after the new year. We | 17:05 |
| sconklin | plan to try to upload -proposed kernels to begin a new cycle by Friday, Jan 7th. | 17:05 |
| sconklin | .. | 17:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team (ara) | 17:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team (ara) | 17:07 |
| ara | Hello! | 17:07 |
| ara | Very little to update at this point. | 17:07 |
| ara | The certifcation testing has started for Lucid proposed kernel, but we cannot report on results yet. | 17:07 |
| ara | cr3 and brendand are working hard on this and they should be able to have results for both Maverick and Lucid before the end of the week | 17:07 |
| ara | .. | 17:07 |
| JFo | welcome to the meeting ara :) | 17:07 |
| JFo | . | 17:07 |
| JFo | .. | 17:07 |
| ara | JFo, thanks | 17:07 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw) | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Natty (apw) | 17:08 |
| tgardner | The Natty kernel is at 2.6.37-9.22 (rebased against 2.6.37-rc5). Items of interest include: | 17:08 |
| tgardner | 1) A number of external drivers have been updated: dm-raid4-5, omnibook, ndiswrapper, and iscsitarget. | 17:08 |
| tgardner | 2) The module RO/NX patches have been re-instated with bug fixes. | 17:08 |
| tgardner | 3) 2.6.37-rc6 is imminent and will likely be the last kernel version until after the holidays. | 17:08 |
| tgardner | 4) New firmware files to support new intel wifi adapters in the 6000 and 6050 family. | 17:08 |
| tgardner | .. | 17:08 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | Package | Upd/Sec | Proposed | TiP | Verified | | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | | | | | | | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | karmic linux-ec2 | 2.6.31-307.22 | 2.6.31-307.23 | 0 | 0 | | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | --- linux | 2.6.31-22.69 | 2.6.31-22.70 | 0 | 0 | | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | | | | | | | 17:08 |
| sconklin | | lucid linux-ec2 | 2.6.32-310.21 | 2.6.32-311.23 | 3 | 3 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-ports-meta | 2.6.32.26.19 | 2.6.32.27.20 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-lts-backport-maverick | 2.6.35-22.34~lucid1 | 2.6.35-23.41~lucid1 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 | 2.6.32-26.25 | 2.6.32-27.26 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux | 2.6.32-26.48 | 2.6.32-27.49 | 3 | 3 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-meta | 2.6.32.26.28 | 2.6.32.27.29 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-meta-ec2 | 2.6.32.310.11 | 2.6.32.311.12 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | | | | | | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | maverick linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 | 2.6.35-23.13 | 2.6.35-24.15 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-ports-meta | 2.6.35.23.17 | 2.6.35.24.18 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux-meta | 2.6.35.23.25 | 2.6.35.24.28 | 0 | 0 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | --- linux | 2.6.35-23.41 | 2.6.35-24.42 | 14 | 14 | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | | | | | | | | 17:09 |
| sconklin | .. | 17:09 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 17:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 17:09 |
| JFo | Incoming Bugs | 17:10 |
| JFo | 38 Natty Bugs (up 6) | 17:10 |
| JFo | 1127 Maverick Bugs (up 14) | 17:10 |
| JFo | 1096 Lucid Bugs (down 14) | 17:10 |
| JFo | Current regression stats (broken down by release): | 17:10 |
| JFo | ==== regression-update ==== | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 26 maverick bugs (up 1) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 76 lucid bugs (down 7) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 6 karmic bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 0 hardy bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | ==== regression-release ==== | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 177 maverick bugs (up 2) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 198 lucid bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 40 karmic bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 2 hardy bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | ==== regression-proposed ==== | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 13 maverick bugs (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 3 lucid bugs (down 3) | 17:10 |
| JFo | * 1 karmic bug (no change) | 17:10 |
| JFo | . | 17:10 |
| JFo | .. | 17:10 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 17:11 |
| JFo | The next bug day will be next week. I'd like for that one to focus on regression-proposed bugs | 17:11 |
| JFo | since the ones that I have on my list have been there too long to be seriously considered as legitimate | 17:11 |
| JFo | bugs in the proposed queue. I've decided to use this small segment of bugs due to the majority | 17:11 |
| JFo | of interested people being on holiday. | 17:11 |
| JFo | .. | 17:11 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) | 17:11 |
| JFo | I have begun testing the script that replaces one tag with another. There is a pre-existing script | 17:11 |
| JFo | that bjf made me aware of, and I am looking at that for some of the other scripts I have/had planned. | 17:11 |
| JFo | .. | 17:11 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:12 |
| JFo | o/ | 17:12 |
| bjf | one thing i'd like to point out is that this will be the last irc meeting of this year, the next will likely be Jan. 4, 2011 | 17:13 |
| bjf | JFo, go | 17:13 |
| JFo | If I don't speak to some of you before the holidays, Happy Holidays!! Hope you enjoy your vacations. | 17:13 |
| JFo | .. | 17:13 |
| JFo | :-) | 17:13 |
| sconklin | +1 | 17:13 |
| kamal | happy holidays all! | 17:13 |
| ara | Happy holidays! | 17:13 |
| smb | \o/ | 17:13 |
| smb | and +1 | 17:13 |
| bjf | thanks everyone | 17:14 |
| bjf | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:14. | 17:14 |
| jjohansen | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
| kamal | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
| JFo | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
| ara | thanks all! | 17:14 |
| smb | thanks bjf | 17:14 |
| sconklin | thanks! | 17:14 |
| ara | you run a fast meeting! | 17:14 |
| JFo | heh | 17:14 |
| JFo | we are infamous for that ara :) | 17:14 |
| smb | ara, we don't like long ones | 17:14 |
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| bioterror | good evening | 22:54 |
| Emerling | bioterror, good evening hi | 22:56 |
| JackyAlcine | Good evening, everyone. I'm pretty excited. | 22:59 |
| ChrisDruif | Your here too JackyAlcine? | 22:59 |
| Emerling | JackyAlcine, :D congratulation | 22:59 |
| JackyAlcine | ChrisDruif: Yup. :D | 22:59 |
| tenach | :) | 23:00 |
| ChrisDruif | I might still be here when the meeting starts....still gotta finish something <_<" | 23:00 |
| JackyAlcine | I'll leave the window open; just so I can check up on it. | 23:01 |
| bioterror | hi phillw ;) | 23:07 |
| phillw | bioterror: nervous yet? | 23:08 |
| bioterror | nope | 23:08 |
| phillw | well, you should be... having people decide if you are a fit and proper person is an ordeal. I trust you are preapred. | 23:10 |
| JackyAlcine | Fit for what? | 23:11 |
| JackyAlcine | And time remaining? | 23:11 |
| ChrisDruif | Thought the same JackyAlcine xD | 23:11 |
| JackyAlcine | you have a launchpad, ChrisDruif ? | 23:12 |
| ChrisDruif | I don't think so, sorry...:) | 23:12 |
| phillw | JackyAlcine: , ChrisDruif https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#Testimonials | 23:12 |
| ChrisDruif | I'm just here to help....don't wanna fuss with a launchpad page of myself... | 23:12 |
| JackyAlcine | Oh, okay. :D | 23:13 |
| ChrisDruif | Did you mean this with launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~chrisdruif | 23:18 |
| JackyAlcine | I'm not sure if I either missed the meeting or it hasn't started. | 23:38 |
| bioterror | starts in 20 minutes | 23:39 |
| bioterror | if you | 23:39 |
| bioterror | if you're talking about the beginners team | 23:39 |
| JackyAlcine | Okay, thanks bioterror | 23:40 |
| UndiFineD | o/ | 23:58 |
| head_victim | \o | 23:58 |
| JackyAlcine | :D | 23:59 |
| hajour | \o | 23:59 |
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