[01:43]  * Pici rolls his eyes
[01:45] <Flannel> Pici: 6 4
[01:46] <Pici> !dualboot =~ s/MACs/Macs/
[02:56] <nhandler> bilalakhtar, hypa7ia, Jordan_U, and rww: You should all now be restricted-editors. This should allow you to add new factoids to ubottu in #ubuntu-ops (so that other operators can monitor the changes). After the probation period, if everything goes well, you will be given full editor privileges (so you can add factoids in PM as well).
[02:57] <nhandler> For other OPs, we should be sorting out the list of who should have factoid editing privileges (see the logs from the last IRCC meeting for details) and granting the privilege hopefully by the end of the day tomorrow
[02:58] <nhandler> Be sure to checkout http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia for information on adding/editing factoids
[04:56] <rww> whee!
[07:33] <maco> @mark #ubuntu evilaim started swearing /after/ being told language rules
[07:33] <maco> (is that one malformed too? if so i still don't know what im doing wrong)
[07:35] <rww> looks good
[07:35] <rww> I do @help mark all the time :)
[09:36] <Myrtti> insmod is steering himself towards catastrophe
[09:38] <Myrtti> does anyone want to talk with him here apart from me?
[09:39] <Myrtti> ANYONE?
[09:51] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'll take him
[09:52] <Myrtti> I think I smacked him hard enough now
[09:52] <Myrtti> next one will cause him more pain
[09:53] <Tm_T> I PM'd him
[09:56] <Tm_T> 1154.41 <insmod> fuck off
[09:56] <Myrtti> such a lovely guy
[09:56] <Myrtti> next slip might just end up being his last on #ubuntu
[09:56] <Tm_T> yup
[09:57] <Tm_T> for the record I kindly asked him to stop for a moment and think why "my way" isn't what we support in our channels in general
[10:38] <Myrtti> he's going to have a bad day
[10:39] <maco> yeah he's not getting benefit of the doubt on a perfectly-formatted forkbomb after the way he's been
[10:39] <jpds> Myrtti: He's gone.
[10:39] <maco> was only a remove, not a ban, just so's ya know
[10:39] <Myrtti> jpds: the roulette is still spinning on guesses for how long
[10:39] <Myrtti> bets are taken in
[10:39] <jpds> Maybe not.
[10:39] <Myrtti> ah, and there we have it
[10:39] <maco> rejoined
[10:40] <Jordan_U> maco: I was actually surprised you didn't ban for that.
[10:40] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: escalation
[10:40] <Myrtti> start gently and if the clue doesn't stick, hit them with harder tools
[10:40] <maco> and there it is
[10:40] <Myrtti> as demonstrated here
[10:41] <Jordan_U> Telling users to run mallicious commands seems like a zero tolerance type thing to me.
[10:41] <elky> adorable
[10:41] <jpds> "Ah, **** it, dude; let's go bowling"
[10:41] <maco> Jordan_U:  it was "what's this?" not "do this:" so ... slightly different
[10:41] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: "assume good faith"
[10:41] <Myrtti> it sucks as a guideline at times, but oh well
[10:42] <Tm_T> hello insmod, how can we help you?
[10:43] <insmod> you guys are a joke -- no one knows anything
[10:43] <insmod> funny really
[10:43] <jpds> Good, humour is good.
[10:44] <maco> a funny one, i hope?
[10:44] <Tm_T> insmod: our job is not to know but make sure our channels are smooth and safe for everyone
[10:44] <insmod> no just an observation
bad move
[10:45] <Tm_T> what is?
help is help -- being attack for another way to do the same thing is dumb
[10:46] <Myrtti> insmod: if the another way potentially breaks stuff, then it's in everyones interest to not use or guide others to use the another way
[10:46] <insmod> i drink with a straw i don't --- so?
[10:46] <Jordan_U> insmod: The "way" that you gave commonly causes people to no longer be able to log into their systems.
[10:47] <insmod>  see the thing is ubuntu made it like widows -- so you don't fuck it up -- but there are better easier ways
[10:47] <insmod> the gui is for the week
[10:48] <Tm_T> insmod: using sudo for GUI apps is simply "no", no explanations
[10:48] <insmod> learn the back end then we can chat
[10:48] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | insmod
[10:49] <insmod> wrong sudo is stronger if you know it -- they just don;t trust you using back end
[10:49] <jpds> wut.
[10:49] <maco> that didn't even make sense
[10:49] <insmod> the back end runs the gui
[10:50] <maco> the difference between gksudo and sudo is in how they handle file permissions
[10:50] <maco> that is, sudo on graphical apps results in *broken* ones
[10:50] <insmod> the gui is a front to the back -- the say use the gui because you will fuck it up
no
[10:50] <maco> it's fine to tell people sudo if you're giving it to them with *command ine* apps
[10:50] <Jordan_U> insmod: Please read the link from ubottu.
[10:50] <maco> it is /not/ ok to mix sudo and gui
[10:51] <insmod> you are wrong they just don't think you know it
[10:51] <Myrtti> so there seems not to be anything to discuss
[10:51] <insmod> guess not
[10:52] <Myrtti> sadly, if you can't seem to grasp the idea that giving "your way" instructions in #ubuntu isn't allowed, we can't allow you in
[10:52] <jpds> insmod: Have you tried to actually read the source code maybe?
[10:53] <insmod> if i was a door do you a) walk into me or b) open and go through ? ask ubuntu
lol i write it
[10:54] <maco> are you really so new to irc that you still haven't learned the angle brackets aren't part of the nick?
not new old school
[10:54] <maco> uh...huh...
hence i like the term
[10:55] <popey> cooks
[10:55] <maco> popey: huh?
[10:57] <Tm_T> insmod: something else we can help you with?
[10:58] <insmod> i wrote a lot in the day -- even for trident -- then just i just wrecked it and my prog hence the loop i wrote -- just try to help know  but every one just knows gui
[10:58] <Myrtti> insmod: that's the way Ubuntu rolls
[10:59] <Myrtti> either roll with it, or you'll get your fingers squished
[10:59] <insmod> lol gui is evil
[10:59] <maco> this may not be the right distro for you then
[10:59] <Myrtti> insmod: you're welcome to your opinion, anything else we can help you with?
[11:00] <insmod> lol no i just installed to try for the wife -- it's a great gilr distro!
[11:00] <insmod> girl
[11:00]  * maco rolls eyes
[11:00] <maco> it's a great distro for guys too
[11:00] <insmod> and kids
[11:00] <maco> software doesn't really care about gender or age
[11:01] <maco> (ok, maybe reading abilities for the wee kiddies)
no but how you use it does
[11:01] <Myrtti> can we move over?
[11:01] <Myrtti> or on, or past this chitchat?
[11:02] <Myrtti> insmod: so, was there anything else that we can help you with? you're not getting unbanned with what you've supplied us with for now
nope --- any real linux users here ? i wrote a prog many years ago it's out dated and not current syntax --but if you know your stuff let's do it ( I can make it all ubunto) lol <Myrtti> can you write code you talk a lot
[11:07]  * maco sighs
[11:07] <Myrtti> insmod: byebye
[11:07] <maco> really, you act as though nobody in here has a patch in the linux kernel!
[11:07] <Tm_T> insmod: if you have no other issue to discuss with us ops, I kindly ask you to leave the channel
[11:07] <insmod> :)
[11:08] <insmod> just check it out http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/   7 years old
[11:09] <Myrtti> roulette spins
[11:09] <knome> yup
[11:09] <Myrtti> how many minutes? I say 3
[11:09] <knome> 4
[11:09] <Tm_T> 2
[11:09] <jrib> darn, I was gonna take 2
[11:10] <knome> me too, but then i thought... maybe not *that* quick
[11:10] <knome> oldschool ircers probably send the commands raw to the server and don't use a client for that
[11:10] <Myrtti> oh yeah, telnet
[11:12] <knome> 4 minutes now
[11:12] <jpds> They're probably using ii.
[11:12] <knome> i win
[11:14] <Tm_T> he's not coming yet, as he's PM'ing me
[11:15] <Myrtti> awwwww
[11:15] <knome> how cute.
[11:15]  * maco ftps Tm_T some of those fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies
[11:20]  * jrib is reminded there are cookies in the house
[11:20]  * jrib looks for a maco
[11:20]  * jrib breathes a sigh of relief
[11:20] <jpds> jrib: In your house?
[11:21] <jrib> jpds: yes
[11:22] <maco> O_O i am?
[11:22] <maco> when did you kidnap me?!
[11:22] <jrib> maco: I don't think you understand my sigh of relief :P
[11:23] <maco> jrib: i think you took jpds's question wrong...
[11:23] <maco> at least, i think he was asking if i was in your house...
[11:24] <jrib> ah
[11:24] <jrib> I thought he was asking about the cookies
[12:56] <Pici> yeesh.
[12:57] <jrib> he has to be a troll...
[12:58] <Pici> geoip tells me hes from Cyprus/Greece, so it may be a language issue.
[13:02] <Myrtti> whowhatwhere
[13:02] <Pici> Myrtti: johnbiker in #ubuntu
[13:05] <Pici> Myrtti: no more !hi
[13:06] <Myrtti> Pici: no kidding, the bot just told me that
[13:06] <Myrtti> anyone else want to state the obvious, now that we're at it? ;-)
[13:07] <Pici> Oh oh.
[13:07] <Pici> No.
[13:16] <Tm_T> Myrtti: no more !hi to us ):
[13:16]  * Tm_T hides
[13:24]  * Myrtti facepalms
[13:25] <Pici> 'tean veiwr'
[13:26] <jrib> indeed, I'm off for a bit...
[13:29] <Myrtti> dr_willis needs a medal
[13:30] <Tm_T> he is usually a very good helper
[13:31] <charlie-tca> Myrtti: !hi still works for #xubuntu, though
[13:38] <Myrtti> what is it with people with zero iniative...
[13:39] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: I've always wondered but never really bothered to look into it.
[13:40] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: you should get your mom look into it
[14:24] <Myrtti> are they really trying to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[14:25] <Pici> hrm.  Thats not the first time I've seen someone do that sort of spam.
[14:39] <Pici> I'm going to ask in #freenode, but before I do, does anyone know what this might be: http://pastebin.com/cnWBdRgZ ?
[14:52] <Myrtti> could it have something to do with anonops?
[14:56] <Jordan_U> That seems likely, they do use IRC to control their botnet.
[14:56] <Pici> Starting back in early 2009?
[14:57] <Myrtti> well, it could be a hash of some sort to instruct whatever botnet...
[15:05] <Pici> mquin figured it out.  It looks to be CWirc, raw morse code over IRC.
[15:05] <Pici> http://myspace.voo.be/pcoupard/cwirc/
[15:07] <Myrtti> right
[15:18] <LjL> cwirc <3
[15:19] <Pici> It doesn't surprise me that LjL knows about this.
[15:20] <LjL> !info cwirc
[15:24] <rww> so /that's/ what that was
[15:25] <rww> mystery from months and months ago: solved
[15:25] <topyli> ooh
[15:32] <topyli> why does it require xchat? i want to use my xchat-gnome :(
[15:33] <rww> you should switch to xchat
[15:33] <Pici> Its just going to turn it into bleeps and bloops
[15:33] <Pici> or blips and bleeps if you want to be technical.
[15:33] <topyli> i think i'm going to file a bug instead :)
[16:16]  * tsimpson senses a netsplit coming
[16:31] <i0nic> can i get access to ubunut
[16:36] <popey> i0nic: looks like ikonia still isn't around. I wonder if someone else might be able to help you...?
[16:37] <Pici> Let me see if I can take a look.  One moment.
[16:37] <popey> thanks Pici
[16:39] <Pici> i0nic: Do you happen to remember why you were banned?
[17:19] <i0nic> Pici: ya i raged on some admin like 3 months ago
[18:20] <IdleOne> i0nic: I will remove the ban if you will agree to follow the rules at the following links https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ let me know when you have read them.
[18:33] <IdleOne> tsimpson: I removed a few of the exempts I could see for threembb.ie
[18:33] <tsimpson> thanks
[18:36] <i0nic> i agre
[18:38] <IdleOne> i0nic: ok. I am going to trust your word
[18:38] <IdleOne> gimme a moment to remove the ban
[18:39] <IdleOne> Please join #ubuntu to make sure I didn't miss anything
[18:42] <IdleOne> i0nic: you should be able to join #ubuntu now. Please part this channel as per the no idling rule in here. have a good day.
[18:48] <IdleOne> was just thinking if I should do that :/
[18:49] <tsimpson> I suspect they went afk
[18:49] <tsimpson> seems strange to just after replying, but meh
[18:50] <IdleOne> yeah
[19:20] <Pici> IdleOne: thanks for taking care of that.  I couldn't wait forever for him to respond to me, had to step away.
[19:23] <IdleOne> Pici: no problem.
[19:27] <tsimpson> Amaranth,  Flannel, funkyHat, Gary, h00k, IdleOne, ikonia, maco, Mamarok, mneptok, tonyyarusso , Daviey, dholbach, popey: you should all now have full factoid editing rights with ubottu
[19:28] <IdleOne> thank you
[19:31] <Mamarok> tsimpson: thanks :)
[19:32] <IdleOne> What is the position on that indie game bundle site?
[19:33] <IdleOne> advertising it in #ubuntu = not allowed?
[19:34] <Pici> IdleOne: Correct, its offtopic for support.
[19:34] <IdleOne> Pici: ok, just wanted to make sure. thank you
[22:23] <Amaranth> tsimpson: I didn't already?
[22:24] <tsimpson> apparently not
[22:24] <tsimpson> either way, you do now
[22:49] <Amaranth> @login
[22:49] <Amaranth> !foo
[22:49] <Amaranth> !no foo is bar
[22:49] <Amaranth> !foo
[22:56] <CarlFK> @login
[22:56] <CarlFK> how do I fix that?
[23:37] <tsimpson> CarlFK: you're an op in #ubuntu right?
[23:37] <CarlFK> tsimpson: yep
[23:37] <elky> i'm confused as to who he is...
[23:38] <tsimpson> odd how we've never really seen you...
[23:38] <tsimpson> CarlFK: do you remember when you became an op?
[23:38] <elky> if this is bilalahtar, for mercy sake, could you choose a single nickname and stick to it?
[23:39] <tsimpson> elky: it's not
[23:39] <CarlFK> about 5 years ago - whenever Breazy was out
[23:39] <maco> haha
[23:39] <maco> elky: bilal is cdbs now
[23:39] <CarlFK> same nick for ages
[23:39] <elky> maco, i know, which is why i suspected
[23:39] <maco> though riddell was getting at him for being obsolete this morning
[23:40] <maco> so we'll see how long that lasts
[23:40] <elky> i've seen him as something else too
[23:42] <elky> CarlFK, when's the last time you were actually active?
[23:43] <CarlFK> active = answering questions or using op privs?
[23:45] <CarlFK> I answer qutestions all the time, like today.  In the last year I have only opped myself at most once a week
[23:45] <maco> ninja op
[23:46] <CarlFK> I was going to say I was soft.  I like ninja better :)
[23:56] <tsimpson> you seem to use +o a lot less than once a week
[23:57] <tsimpson> I see only 5 in the last 3 years (I need to prune my logs)
[23:59] <tsimpson> CarlFK: I guess I should ask if you want to continue as an #ubuntu op any more?