[01:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Jones] Old and new: Mixing irssi and iPhones for fun and no profit - http://www.tenshu.net/archives/2010/12/14/old-and-new-mixing-irssi-and-iphones-for-fun-and-no-profit/
[06:42] <nigelb> popey: Hey, I could use some RT love :) http://twitter.com/#!/nigelbabu/status/14570773956005888
[07:39] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:55] <AlanBell> morning MooDoo and all
[07:55] <Apacheuk> morning all
[07:56] <MooDoo> :)
[08:15] <diplo> Morning all
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:37] <dwatkins> ello
[09:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:03] <nperry_> Morning All o/
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:03] <nperry_> czajkowski: Re the ubunt hour, are you around Sat evening/day time?
[09:04] <czajkowski> no sorry I head back to ireland then
[09:05] <nperry_> Damm, only time I've got free this week :<
[09:05] <diplo> Where are you staying czajkowski ?
[09:05] <czajkowski> diplo: Bath
[09:05] <diplo> yeah i mean where in bath sorry, should have been  more specific, live in trowbridge a few miles out of bath
[09:06] <czajkowski> hmm good question
[09:06] <diplo> heh
[09:07] <czajkowski> http://www.cheritonhouse.co.uk/  staying here
[09:07] <daubers> Morning
[09:09] <diplo> nice part of bath, well actually there aren't that many bad parts
[09:09] <diplo> you have a school opposite you there though, well a little up on your right
[09:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:13] <czajkowski> diplo: aye but I walked past and down to work
[09:14] <czajkowski> thoug I did find a nice short cut which cuts dow a load of th hill walk
[09:14] <diplo> yeah loads of little alleys down there
[09:15] <dwatkins> Bath is lovely.
[09:15] <jpds> I prefer showers.
[09:15] <dwatkins> I prefer Edinburgh ;-)
[09:16] <diplo> never been there yet
[09:19] <czajkowski> I hope to do some looking around one of the days
[09:20] <czajkowski> perhaps take a half day and go see some of hte place in daylight
[09:22] <samelco> hi, when does support stop for karmic 9.10?
[09:25] <samelco> even though i have screen-saver off and power-management set to never the screen goes off after 10 minutes
[09:29] <samelco> i found a thread here, .. http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/229/disable-screensaver/ ... seems to be dealing with this issue
[09:30] <samelco> just have to find autostart.sh now
[09:35] <screen-x`> morning :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Hi screen-x`
[09:35] <bigcalm> What's with the jaunty hat?
[09:35] <screen-x`> oooh
[09:35]  * screen-x removes hat
[09:36] <bigcalm> Last ice hockey match we attended, I had to remove GF's hat for God Save the Queen
[09:37] <bigcalm> I know it's cold, but still
[09:37] <popey> MORNING!
[09:37] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[09:38] <bigcalm> popey: where do you use your Joggler?
[09:38] <popey> it usually sits in the kitchen
[09:38] <popey> but I don't "use" it much
[09:38] <bigcalm> Ah, so my alarm clock app won't be much use to you :(
[09:42] <popey> heh
[09:42] <popey> i used my ipad for the first time as an alarm clock this morning
[09:42] <hoover> mornin all
[09:43] <dwatkins> Which sound did you have it make, popey?
[09:43] <czajkowski> daft question time, have an open office document in a .docx need to make some of the pages landscape and the rest portrait, but every time I change a the ones I need to landscape it changes the entire document to landscape :(
[09:43] <gord> depends if he falls asleep in the kitchen really
[09:44] <maco> czajkowski: afaik, not possible, but if you find a way, please blog it
[09:44] <czajkowski> maco: that's what I thought :( feck
[09:44] <maco> czajkowski: any chance you just need to end up with a funky-directions pdf?
[09:44] <popey> dwatkins: i had it play radio 2 :)
[09:44] <maco> if so, make a file of portrait and a file of landscape, pdf-ify both, then use pdfshuffler to mash
[09:45] <popey> czajkowski: i think you can carve it up into sections
[09:45] <czajkowski> maco: document is already over 40 pages long
[09:45] <popey> thats how you do it in word anyway
[09:45] <czajkowski> popey: aye in office I know I change the pages as I go along but doesnt seem to be the case in oo
[09:45] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:45] <czajkowski> much swearing at the computer again today I suscpect. thanks folks
[09:49] <samelco> umm, my eeebox display cuts out after 10 minutes even though scrreen-saver is off and power-management is set to never
[09:50] <czajkowski> maco: plan B it is, create a seperate landscape document and will merge to other document  and create as pdf
[09:50] <czajkowski> good idea
[09:50] <bigcalm> 10 minutes of inactivity?
[09:50] <samelco> yes bigcalm
[09:50] <bigcalm> Can't say that I've experienced that
[09:51] <samelco> i did disable and re-enabled screen-saver in startup programs that made no difference
[09:51] <dwatkins> popey: nice, I clearly need to get me one of those
[09:52] <samelco> i found a thread were others have this issue, there is a reference to autostart.sh for karmic but i cannot find it
[10:57]  * daubers waits for windows to boo
[10:57] <daubers> t
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> "boo" works ;)
[10:58] <exobuzz> mornin
[10:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Especially as it gives me a desktop thats not responsive for 5 minutes after its booted :(
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:00] <bigcalm> Humm. This works but web is down
[11:00] <bigcalm> Weird
[11:00]  * kazade throws IE8 out of the window
[11:00] <kazade> I hate IE :/
[11:01] <bigcalm> Facebook and BBC are both down for me
[11:01] <kazade> bigcalm, dns?
[11:01] <bigcalm> And we're back
[11:01] <bigcalm> kazade: google
[11:01] <kazade> oh, that was gonna be my suggestion :p
[11:01] <bigcalm> kazade: I blame VirginMedia
[11:02] <bigcalm> I always blame them for any interweb problems
[11:02] <kazade> so do I, and I don't even use them :p
[11:02] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:11] <kazade> Words cannot describe how much IE sucks
[11:12] <kazade> I want to do something very simple (have an image as a button which when clicked submits the attached "value" attribute), I've succeeded in 3 different ways on Firefox, none of which work on IE
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> kazade: input type=image?
[11:30]  * screen-x ingests lartc
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> LARTc?
[11:30] <screen-x> http://lartc.org
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://catb.org/jargon/html/L/LART.html
[11:31] <screen-x> :p
[11:32] <BigRedS> I was expecting lartc to be related to that sort of lart
[11:36] <MooDoo> i was just thinking about ls -lart :)
[11:37] <kazade> MartijnVdS, input type=image doesn't submit the value on IE
[11:38] <kazade> and <button value="123"><img src=""></button> submits the bit inbetween the <button> tags on IE, not the value
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> tell the IE9 team :)
[11:39] <kazade> I eventually got it working with input type="submit" but with an ugly IE hack to make the text of the value not display
[11:40] <BigRedS> Is there such a thing as a non-ugly IE hack?
[11:40] <kazade> BigRedS, nope
[11:57] <samelco> ifconfig
[11:57] <samelco> oops!
[11:57] <MooDoo> samelco: eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 23:re:45:44:32:ss
[11:57] <MooDoo> :)
[11:57] <samelco> XD
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's not a valid mac
[11:58] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yes i know i was having a joke
[11:58] <daubers> Bah, how can I get the grace time remaining of an xfs quota'd thing in seconds instead of "X days"
[12:01] <directhex> daubers: locally or over nfs?
[12:01] <daubers> directhex: locally
[12:02] <daubers> xfs_quota -x -c 'report -p ' /mount/bigfs gives it to me in days, I'd like it in seconds so I can scripts some stuff
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> $days * 86400 = $seconds
[12:03] <aaronr> anyone familiar with apparmor? mysql won't start after upgrading a machine from 8.10 > 10.04: http://pastie.org/1375800
[12:03] <daubers> MartijnVdS: What if it expires at 13:00 that day?
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: have you rebooted?
[12:03] <aaronr> or at least i think its apparmor that's upsetting it
[12:03] <aaronr> yeah
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> the "profile_replace" is part of the upgrade process
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> what does it log when you restart it manually?
[12:07] <aaronr> "service mysql restart" is still running, but i'm seeing this in syslog: http://pastie.org/1375829
[12:08] <directhex> aaronr: 8.10->10.04?
[12:08] <aaronr> yeah, stopping off along the way
[12:08] <aaronr> 8.10 > 9.04 > 9.10 > 10.04
[12:09] <aaronr> this server isn't loved enough.
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> no idea
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> did you put the database in a non-default location?
[12:13] <aaronr> hmm.
[12:13] <aaronr> i think the apparmor thing is me barking up the wrong tree
[12:13] <aaronr> just read something that says profile_replace isn't an error
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> profile_replace shouldn't happen on restart though
[12:13] <aaronr> running mysqld directly interactively shows other issues
[12:15] <aaronr> hmm, seems my my.cnf could be the problem.
[12:16] <BigRedS> is there an easy way to change the username of a mysql user?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> UPDATE users?
[12:16] <BigRedS> I'm guessing   update User set user='newname' where user='oldname';  will still require me to faff with grants?
[12:22] <bigcalm> http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hockeywaffle.gif?w=222&h=150
[12:22] <bigcalm> Slightly bored, sorry :)
[12:22] <daubers> Ah ha!
[12:23] <daubers> The xfs_db actually stores the time it expires in seconds since the epoch
[12:23] <daubers> so I can just query that
[12:28] <kazade> haha, you gotta love Windows fanboys, take a look at the comments by "The_Bob_Dole" here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374193,00.asp?obref=obinsite
[12:29] <kazade> I also love the fact that they tried to installed Windows from a USB stick and they couldn't because: "the USB port isn't recognizing any of my peripherals or a network" seems like a job for Ubuntu to me..
[12:41]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski just to remind her I'm about still :D
[12:42] <aaronr> (for the log's sake: my mysql problem was due to "skip_bdb" being in my my.cnf. That makes newer mysql barf as the deprecated BDB support got removed completely a while back and that directive isn't recognised anymore.)
[12:50]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and goes back to work 
[12:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oh your so awesome :D
[13:25] <iggy_> http://i.imgur.com/7cghx.jpg
[13:26] <BigRedS> fnarr
[13:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:31] <popey> not really appropriate for here iggy_
[13:32] <iggy_> popey: sorry wrong room!
[13:33] <dwatkins> safe for work? I assume not
[13:33] <iggy_> dwatkins: probably not..
[13:34] <suprengr> o/
[13:34] <dwatkins> thanks iggy_ - I won't click it, then
[13:35] <suprengr> anyone fancy a spreadsheet quikkie? [have flu & brain is stuck]
[13:37] <czajkowski> dwatkins: not very Ubuntu friendly
[13:40] <dwatkins> ah I see, czajkowski
[13:47] <dwatkins> that's better
[14:08] <screen-x> suprengr: what's your spreadsheet problem?
[14:13] <suprengr> hi screen-x & thanks.  a formula [=CONCATENATE("C",(1000-(COUNTBLANK(B1:B1000)))) returns the wanted cell but nothing I do allows me to use the result to reference the cell  :(
[14:17] <screen-x> suprengr: in google docs, the function is indirect()
[14:18] <screen-x> maybe different in your spreadsheet of choice
[14:21] <suprengr> screen-x: I searched google docs, the ooo help and ended going round & round in circles with no result.  I bow to your superior searching :)
[14:21] <screen-x> suprengr: I looked in the function list under lookup :)
[14:23]  * suprengr wonders... should have checked in function list for "searching_for_hours_when_ brain_&_body_stuffed_with_flu()
[14:24] <suprengr> screen-x: thanks a mil, very grateful.
[14:25] <screen-x> flu sucks :(
[14:26] <suprengr> it sucks more than the suckiest thing made at the suckiest thing factory in sucky-land
[14:27] <screen-x> Is there a way to temporarily force chrome/chromium to treat address bar input as a url, rather than search terms?
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: just type an url?
[14:30] <screen-x> some of my urls look very like search terms..
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: your search terms start with "http://" ?!
[14:31] <screen-x> heh, ok dns names, rather than urls..
[14:31] <suprengr> screen-x: cancel dns pre-fetch ???
[14:33] <screen-x> http:// prefix does the job.
[14:54] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ to all a funny Christmas :D
[15:18] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[15:18] <bigcalm> Morning AlanBell
[15:18]  * AlanBell is not impressed with the wiring in his house
[15:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what ya break
[15:18] <AlanBell> what numpty put the sockets in my office on the same ring as the cooker!
[15:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: did you put them on the same ring
[15:19] <AlanBell> nope
[15:19] <AlanBell> like that when I bought the place, but I only just found out about it
[15:19] <czajkowski> was your office always the office?
[15:19] <screen-x> "wodim: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status." followed by tray eject and insert, what's all that about?
[15:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yup, it is in an extension
[15:20] <bigcalm> The cooker should never be on a ring. It should be a radial connection to the consumer unit. Same situation with an electric shower
[15:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yup
[15:20] <AlanBell> that is why I turned it off at the CU and didn't expect anything else to go off with it!
[15:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so you have a cookie connected to 2.5mm ring?
[15:21] <screen-x> mmm cookie
[15:21] <bigcalm> Doh
[15:21] <bigcalm> Cookie?
[15:21] <bigcalm> Damn it
[15:21] <bigcalm> Cooker
[15:21]  * popey has had enough of changing passwords today
[15:21] <screen-x> yes please bigcalm
[15:21] <bigcalm> I have a bad of cookies in my draw...
[15:21] <bigcalm> popey: your own passwords?
[15:22] <AlanBell> bigcalm: well not sure, there is a cooker isolation switch above the worksurface
[15:22] <AlanBell> and one wire popping out behind the cooker wired into the cooker
[15:22] <AlanBell> I don't know what goes on between the CU and the switch
[15:22] <AlanBell> but it isn't right, whatever it is
[15:22] <bigcalm> Is the CU full of MCBs rather than fuses?
[15:23] <AlanBell> yes
[15:23] <bigcalm> Better than nothing then :)
[15:23] <screen-x> MCB?
[15:23] <AlanBell> and it is on the one labled "kitchen sockets"
[15:23] <AlanBell> magnetic circuit breakers
[15:23] <bigcalm> Miniture Circuit breaker
[15:23] <screen-x> different from RCD?
[15:23] <AlanBell> oh ok
[15:23] <bigcalm> screen-x: yes
[15:24] <screen-x> better?
[15:24] <AlanBell> RCD trips on earth leakage
[15:24] <bigcalm> Different
[15:24] <bigcalm> You generally have 1 RCD and a butt load of MCBs
[15:24] <AlanBell> MCB trips on over amps, like a bit of fusewire burning out
[15:24] <screen-x> ok
[15:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I'd get a sparky in to check the wiring of the whole house
[15:26] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I think I will
[15:26] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[15:26] <screen-x> I'm attempting to burn an ISO that I need to boot an old server from in order to P2V it, I'd forgotten how much I dislike the whole coaster making process.
[15:26] <popey> bigcalm: i was one of the people that had a lifehacker account
[15:26] <bigcalm> popey: Gawker?
[15:26] <AlanBell> I knew the socket next to the cooker switch was connected to it, but I thought that was just a cheeky little spur off the switch
[15:26] <popey> ya
[15:26] <bigcalm> :(
[15:26] <popey> and I happened to have quite a few sites with the same password
[15:26] <popey> where "quite a few" is "about a hundred"
[15:27] <bigcalm> Ouch
[15:27] <bigcalm> So you've changed all of them to the same new pw? ;)
[15:27] <popey> you are not the first person to make that joke :)
[15:27] <popey> no
[15:27] <bigcalm> Awww
[15:27] <bigcalm> Joke? :P
[15:29] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I like gooy commands
[15:30] <czajkowski> well I just had to sit through the Debian V Ubuntu server debate
[15:31] <czajkowski> now command line V  GUI
[15:31] <czajkowski> I see cider in my future
[15:31] <bigcalm> Awww
[15:31] <MooDoo> czajkowski: lots i assume
[15:33] <screen-x> yay, burnt a readable CD...
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> uhm.. wow? :)
[15:34] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: its an achievement!
[15:35] <screen-x> I never did get on very well with optical media, especially the writeable types..
[15:38] <daubers> screen-x: That probably had more to do with the state of the laptop you where burning them on
[15:39] <screen-x> daubers: it's a desktop, but it is quite loaded
[15:39] <daubers> heh :)
[15:49] <winterweaver> my public ssh key is the .pub file, yes?
[15:50] <screen-x> winterweaver: yep
[15:50] <winterweaver> tx
[16:00] <BigRedS> anyone here familiar with fail2ban and custom rules?
[16:03] <winterweaver> hg == mercurial? True|False
[16:04] <BigRedS> true, AFAIK
[16:04] <BigRedS> 'cause hg is mercury
[16:04] <BigRedS> who says foss uses cryptic names?
[16:05] <popey> o/
[16:05] <winterweaver> hehe
[16:05] <winterweaver> thx
[16:33] <morleypotter> does anyone know anything about HD radeon graphics cards, specifically ubuntu support?
[16:37] <BigRedS> My radeon works in ubuntu
[16:37] <BigRedS> but I don't knwo what it is
[16:55] <X3N_> BigRedS: it's probably a graphics card, but that's not important right now
[16:55] <popey> FUNNY MAN!
[16:56] <X3N_> :p
[16:56] <bigcalm> HEh
[16:57] <X3N_> it's my tribute to leslie nielsen to use that joke at every opportunity
[16:57] <popey> surely not?
[16:57] <X3N_> and don't call me surely
[16:58] <X3N_> doesn't quite work as well written
[16:58] <bigcalm> All together?
[16:58] <popey> it's a different kind of joke all together
[16:59] <popey> "it's a different kind of joke"
[17:02] <davmor2> X3N_: It's probably a badly written pun, but that's not import right now
[17:06] <X3N_> :)
[17:39] <screen-x> anyone used nbd recently?
[17:39] <Flashtek> network block devices ?
[17:39] <screen-x> yeah
[17:39] <Flashtek> not int he last 5 minutes..
[17:40] <screen-x> I can't seem to get nbd-server to start, its whinging about the config file, but I commented everything out, and it still doesn't start..
[17:40] <Flashtek> kicked it ?
[17:40] <screen-x> yeah, pretty hard.
[17:40] <Flashtek> mind you, ifyou comment everything out, it'll likely not work
[17:40] <screen-x> the default config file only has two options set, which it claims are optional
[17:41] <screen-x> well, when I see default, I mean template, as the package doesn't actually install a default config file.
[17:43] <screen-x> It appears to have started working.. how strange.
[17:45] <screen-x> \o/ partprobe added partitions to the nbd device
[17:46] <BigRedS> Linux in 'just works' shocker? ;)
[17:47] <screen-x> not all devices support partitions, I can't remember which type I came across that didn't...
[17:47] <screen-x> I think it was loops
[18:00] <Azelphur> I'm thinking about getting a HTC Desire Z o.O
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: get a Nexus S
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> it > *
[18:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: except it's obvious lack of a keyboard.
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> (it has no crappy htc sense)
[18:00] <screen-x> unless you want a keyboard..
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> lack of keyboard++
[18:00] <Azelphur> htc sense is removable :)
[18:01] <screen-x> Depends if you like samsung plastic build as well..
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but it's hard
[18:01] <Azelphur> it's hard?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I'll stick to my nexus one until the /next/ google phone (after nexus s) arrives
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yeah you have to root and run custom roms... that's a lot of work
[18:01] <screen-x> yeah, I think the N1-->NS is a step down in build quality
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> N1 is metal :)
[18:02] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: did that on day 1 with my G1 :)
[18:02] <jacobw> rooting and running custom ROMs isn't much work
[18:02] <jacobw> takes about 20 minutes
[18:03] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:03] <Azelphur> CyanogenMod <3
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Sure it takes 20 minutes.. but not rooting saves me that :)
[18:04] <jacobw> i had cyanogen on my G1
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> Google's own android builds tend to suck a lot less than HTCs
[18:04]  * jacobw lost his G1 :(
[18:04]  * jacobw now has a nokia 2330
[18:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:05] <Azelphur> My G1 is a bit slow for my tastes
[18:05] <Azelphur> It struggles a lot with 2.2
[18:06] <BigRedS> yeah, when I went from my G1 to my Galaxy I was astounded at how smooth android can be
[18:06] <BigRedS> it's a lot less crap when it's on good hardware :)
[18:06] <BigRedS> (but Samsung have done horrible things to Android)
[18:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:06] <Azelphur> I flash cyanogen on day 1 anyway so doesn't bother me
[18:07] <BigRedS> Yeah, there is no cyanogen for my galaxy :(
[18:07] <Azelphur> :(
[18:07] <BigRedS> I've been looking for a vanilla android for it, too, but I can't find one
[18:07] <Azelphur> but yea full keyboard is a must for me because I mainly use it for typing rather than talking
[18:07] <BigRedS> apparently the hardware's quite esoteric, so there's not a lot of effort in its direction
[18:07] <Azelphur> so it's between Milestone, G2 and N900
[18:07] <BigRedS> Azelphur: I did think that, but I've got quite used to an on-screen keyboard
[18:07] <moreati> BigRedS: Oh, I'd used HTC Android (which is slower than it need be), but not Samsung. Had assumed Samdung Android is okay, thaks for th info
[18:07] <Azelphur> (afaik there is no milestone 2, and galaxy S pro is US only)
[18:07] <BigRedS> even found an ssh client that works with a virtual keyboard :)
[18:08] <Azelphur> BigRedS: so you play games with your on screen keyboard? :p
[18:08]  * Azelphur breaks out the megadrive emulator on his G1 a lot
[18:08] <Flashtek> :)
[18:08] <BigRedS> moreati: There's a bunch of crapware and bloatware, and they've got their own replacements for things (like contacts, and dialer) which are confusingly namesakes of their 'replacements' so sometimes you get oen, other times the other
[18:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure it's fine if you dont' mod it *at all*, but then you've got an imitation iphone
[18:09] <Azelphur> also the screen is small enough without 60% of it going to a keyboard xD
[18:09] <BigRedS> Azelphur: not keyboard-based games :)
[18:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:09] <Azelphur> so yea, physical keyboard for me
[18:09] <BigRedS> I know where you're coming from, 'cause that's exactly where I was before I got this. But it turns out on-screen isn't as bad (for me) as I thought it would be
[18:09] <BigRedS> ssh on a phone is an excercise in patience anyway
[18:09] <Azelphur> haha
[18:10] <Azelphur> BigRedS: I use SSH on my G1 all the time
[18:10] <Azelphur> besides the slowness, once you get logged in it's fine
[18:10] <Azelphur> I type quite fast on my G1
[18:10] <moreati> BigRedS: okay, interesting that they didn't remove the stock dialler after replacing it, or did an incomplete job
[18:10] <BigRedS> yeah, I've got to the same sort of speed on teh landscape keyboard as on the hardwre keyboard
[18:10] <BigRedS> moreati: there's a dialer built into their own contacts thing, which you almost always get
[18:11] <BigRedS> there's one particular way of getting there that gets the standard ndroid one, but I've forgotten what it is
[18:12] <jacobw> my dad has a HTC Hero, so i've had quite a lot of dealing with HTC Sense
[18:12] <jacobw> i.e. can you phone this number for me? its too confusing
[18:13] <moreati> I rooted my Desire last week and flashed with a CyanogenMod derivative. Couldn't believe the difference in smoothness. Only bit of Sense I miss is the time/stopwatch/countdown/alarm app, haven't huntd out a suitable replacement yet
[18:13] <jacobw> old people shouldn't be allowed smartphones
[18:13] <jacobw> i noticed that when rooted my G1 with cyanogon moreati
[18:14]  * moreati imageines a Vietnamese city being invaded by Cylons
[18:20] <daubers> o/
[18:25] <Flashtek> darn
[18:26] <Flashtek> cant find rj45 connectors
[18:29] <BigRedS> what? They're all over the place?
[18:29] <BigRedS> I don't know why the second sentence was a question there. That was definitely supposed to be a statement.
[18:33] <Flashtek> as in the unused ones
[18:47] <BigRedS> No , I know
[18:47] <BigRedS> but surely RS or someone will sell you a bag?
[18:47] <BigRedS> Ahhh, unless you mean ones you've already bought!
[18:47]  * BigRedS is slow at this time of day
[18:49] <Flashtek> BigRedS: yes, a bag i got from maplin recently..
[18:53] <moreati> Flashtek: Boot of car/seat of bus?
[18:57] <Flashtek> moreati: they should be in my bag.. i'll have another look in a few..
[18:59] <davmor2> BigRedS: Hey come on don't say your slow this time of day,  your this slow all day honest ;)
[19:02] <Oli````> Damn the Humble Indie Bundle is good this time around.
[19:03] <Flashtek> lol
[19:04] <Oli````> Braid, Cortex Command, Machinarium, Osmos and Revenge of the Titans
[19:05] <Oli````> All running native (save Machinarium) on Linux. Today is a good day.
[19:07] <exobuzz> ive still not got around to playing stuff from the last pack
[19:08] <Oli````> exobuzz: ditto. And I bought Psychonauts for a fiver today. And I've got AvP to play at some point. And the bottomlessness of Minecraft.
[19:08] <exobuzz> heh
[19:08] <Oli````> Gaming on Linux has never been better.
[19:09] <exobuzz> ive got about 3 wii games still in wrapping too
[19:09] <Oli````> [Thankfully] I don't own any consoles. I'm sure I'd have no money or time if I did.
[19:09] <exobuzz> no consoles? not even a megadrive or something? :)
[19:10] <Flashtek> I own a Wii, a PS3 and Xbox classic.. I barely use 'em
[19:10] <exobuzz> xbox classic i use daily.. xbmc ftw
[19:10] <Flashtek> but i do have a speccy emulator on my wildfire
[19:10] <jacobw> i'm like the opposite, i've got a PS3 an most of hit games of this year; i just can't find time to play them
[19:10] <Oli````> Oh I *have* owned consoles in the past (Master System, Snes and a PSX) but no "modern" ones
[19:10] <exobuzz> my favourite console is probably my vectrex, although i dont play on it all that often. should get it out for a session
[19:11] <Oli````> (I refuse to call them modern without pseudo-air-quotes because they're all pensioners in the hardware world)
[19:11] <exobuzz> Oli````, should never throw em away but build up a massive collection in the loft ;-)
[19:11] <exobuzz> or better still under the tv..
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: Biggest problem is RAM
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: Especially on PS3 (though even a little more CPU wouldn't hurt)
[19:12] <Oli````> heh, I did go through a phase while at uni where I had the master system, snes and psx all plugged in...
[19:12] <exobuzz> nice
[19:12] <Oli````> But the sharp corners on the Master System controller gave somebody rabies and we had to have him put down.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: soldering iron at the ready?
[19:12] <exobuzz> super metroid on snes.. <3
[19:12] <exobuzz> Oli````, lol
[19:15] <Flashtek> grrr... why is my boss not replying to my calls and texts ?
[19:20] <Flashtek> i've only been calling him for 7 hours..
[19:20] <Flashtek> perhaps I should take it as a hint and return my laptop..?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> \o issyl0
[19:25] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: yay!
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:26] <issyl0> I know! I didn't realise I was as Guest until just now!
[19:27]  * MartijnVdS is watching a theme night on nuclear power/war on a Dutch history channel
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> with old cinema/newsreel footage etc.
[19:34]  * popey points Daviey at exobuzz 
[19:35] <dwatkins> Flashtek: tried calling someone else who might know where your boss is?
[20:04] <screen-x> trying to run memtest86+ and I get "error: too small lower memory", then a memory range any ideas?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> not enough memory <1MB free
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> are you running it from grub?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> what's the range?
[20:06] <screen-x> from grub
[20:06] <screen-x> 0x99100 > 0x96400
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> wow.. do you have "memory hole" in your BIOS (they stopped doing that in Pentium 2 machines I think?)
[20:07] <screen-x> Its a dual xeon, so probably not.
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea what it could be
[20:08] <screen-x> just found bug 560839
[20:08] <screen-x> looks like a memtest problem.
[20:11] <screen-x> doesn't work from lucid cd either, but blinking cursor instead of error message.
[20:14] <jerkman> hey guys
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:15] <screen-x> lo
[20:17] <popey> hi jerkman
[20:19] <exobuzz> "popey points Daviey at exobuzz " someone asked something ?
[20:19] <exobuzz> s/someone/daviey
[20:20] <jerkman> anyone in here from FLUG?
[20:21] <popey> jerkman: F?
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> France?
[20:21] <popey> exobuzz: Daviey has a joggler
[20:21] <exobuzz> aah
[20:24] <jerkman> faversham linux users group
[20:26] <popey> jerkman: Azelphur lives not tooo far from there
[20:26] <popey> he's about the closest I can think of
[20:26] <popey> Gary is closer if you're looking over the water
[20:26] <Azelphur> didn't know faversham had one
[20:27] <Azelphur> there was a thanet one but it died
[20:27] <popey> neither did I! :)
[20:27] <popey> http://lug.org.uk/lugs/south-east
[20:27] <popey> not listed there
[20:27] <popey> jerkman: do they have a website?
[20:29] <Azelphur> secret ninja lugs clearly :p
[20:32] <screen-x> hmm, I can't memtest86 to run on this box, tried lucid and hardy CDs :(
[20:33] <jerkman> http://flug.org.uk/
[20:36] <screen-x> \o/ memtest ISO from memtest.org works :)
[20:36] <czajkowski> Despicable me is one of the funniest things I've watched in a long time
[20:40] <popey> jerkman: do you know who runs the LUG?
[20:40] <popey> jerkman: be good to get whoever it is listed on lug.org.uk
[20:40] <popey> they should join the lugmaster mailing list
[20:41] <jerkman> urm, jake rayham
[20:41] <jerkman> i think anyway
[20:42]  * daubers used to ponder becoming a thudmeister
[20:42] <daubers> Not quite the same as a lugmaster though....
[20:45] <screen-x> popey: seems to be a member of a group of lugs http://hyperlug.org/
[20:46] <jerkman> mpearce isn't a group i don't think. I went to his demo, but as part of flug
[20:47] <jacobw> http://pastebin.com/wqzvh7qq
[20:48] <screen-x> chrome only takes one click to ignore a bad ssl cert, that's about 6 less annoying than FF.
[20:49] <jacobw> why does n1 always equal ~4000000, surely if c is an int and a blank is ascii decimal 32, c should equal the number of blanks in the input
[20:51] <screen-x> jacobw: I know nothing about c, but do you need {} for those if statements? Maybe a case statement would be better?
[20:54] <jacobw> don't need { } for a one line statement
[20:58] <jacobw> i always encounter strange problems with C/C++
[21:17] <gord> jacobw, you don't want to do n1, n2, n3 = 0
[21:17] <gord> jacobw, n1 and n2 are uninitialised that way
[21:17] <gord> thats why tabs and spaces are both crazy numbers
[21:22] <jacobw> ah, now I didn't know it worked that in C
[21:22] <jacobw> it works like that in Python :(
[21:24] <jacobw> so in C, if I want to set a common value to a series of variables I have to do
[21:24] <jacobw> n1 = 0;
[21:24] <jacobw> n2 = 0;
[21:24] <jacobw> etc
[21:25] <gord> New humble indie bundle on by the way, five games, all commercial quality all work on linux. pay what you want for them http://www.humblebundle.com/ (worth a re-tweet if your like popey and have a billion followers?)
[21:25] <gord> ^^ for charity too
[21:25] <Azelphur> gord: yay, I bought the first bundle myself
[21:26] <ali1234> int n1, n2, n3; n1 = n2 = n3 = 0;
[21:28] <gord> its worth noting that the average amount paid by windows users is $5.67, mac users is $7.65 and the mightly linux users pay $14.04
[21:28] <Azelphur> gord: similar happened last time
[21:29] <Azelphur> was pretty much the same numbers, I remember Linux paid just shy of twice mac users, and windows cheaped out
[21:29] <Azelphur> :)
[21:29] <popey> done Gary
[21:29] <popey> er gord
[21:30] <gord> \o/
[21:33] <jacobw> thanks gord, ali1234 :)
[21:33] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/d47RgRrV
[21:37] <jacobw> ha, smartarse :)
[21:38] <Darael> ...That's one of the best comments I've ever entered an IRC room to.
[21:38] <Azelphur> Anyone here on orbital/vfast?
[21:38] <AlanBell> popey: are you still using unity?
[21:39] <popey> ya AlanBell
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am finding myself instead of going to the unity menu looking for a terminal so I can just type the program name I want
[21:40] <popey> i just ctrl+alt+t
[21:40] <popey> am used to that on gnome
[21:41] <zleap> cool thanks
[21:42] <AlanBell> not just me then
[21:46] <finster> hi all, anybody running 10.04 on their viglen mp-l ?
[21:47] <popey> hehe
[21:47] <popey> my viglen is switched off
[21:47] <gord> AlanBell, is this for starting stuff thats not in your launcher?
[21:48] <AlanBell> gord: I am on mutter unity
[21:48] <danfish> evening
[21:48] <danfish> finster: yup
[21:48] <AlanBell> and starting stuff that is somewhere in that applications page thing
[21:48] <popey> http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/?p=365
[21:48] <popey> that looks _really_ busy
[21:48] <popey> for "busy" read "fugly"
[21:48] <finster> i'm getting some very strange network issues on my viglen and am wondering if a recent update is causing them...
[21:48] <danfish> what sort of issues?
[21:49] <AlanBell> I don't quite know how things stay in the launcher/dock thing
[21:49] <AlanBell> not sure I want them to when not running really
[21:49] <ali1234> popey: believe it or not they have massivle improved it, this is what it used to look like: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png
[21:50] <popey> I love that you had that to hand ali1234 :)
[21:50] <gord> AlanBell, right, in natty places has been re-designed, user testing showed that it wasn't working for people. hopefully it'll suit you better
[21:50] <finster> danfish: errors running apt-get update, can't even wget anything.
[21:50] <gord> ali1234, right click, keep in launcher <-- you can check/uncheck things
[21:50] <gord> AlanBell, even
[21:50] <danfish> finster: can you do a dns lookup?
[21:50] <ali1234> popey: to hand? i made it :)
[21:51] <gord> AlanBell, at the very least, in natty using places to launch applications will be as easy as opening a terminal. but without the annoyance of having that terminal opened :)
[21:51] <popey> yeah, I know, I meant, you know :)
[21:51] <AlanBell> gord: why is Bazaar Notification always in the launcher?
[21:51] <ali1234> i know, i just sit here waiting for someone to mention kde, then i post it...
[21:53] <finster> danfish: yeah, pinging google.co.uk or whatever seems to work fine. but wget hangs at "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..."
[21:53] <ali1234> but lets face it, *all* kde apps are incredibly busy, to the point where they all look the same even if they do radically different things. because they all have to have side bars on both sides of the windows, toolbars at the top and the bottom, and the controls so you can rearrange every UI element in any way you want
[21:53] <gord> AlanBell, i'm assuming you have a bzr indicator? its in there because bamf (what we use for application matching) grabbed the indicator and presented it as a running application, its an edge case =\
[21:54] <danfish> finster: hmm, odd. No firewall or router settings have occured that you are aware of?
[21:55] <danfish> finster: setting changes I meant to say
[21:56] <finster> danfish: no, not that i can think of. mpc-l is plugged directly into my router, another ubuntu machine has no problem running the same commands. only seems to have started in the last few days. even re-installed 10.04 last night but still the same. very strange.
[21:57] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, I get libnotify messages for bzr commits
[21:58] <finster> danfish: here are the results of an "apt-get update". http://pastebin.com/uxBt4dVx
[21:58] <gord> AlanBell, if you feel like testing natty and that still happens, file a bug :)
[21:58] <danfish> I'll do an update on my MPC-L to try and replicate the problem
[22:00] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, I think I will have a play on USB soon and then upgrade
[22:00] <finster> danfish: ok - first I knew of a problem was when my TV failed to connect to miniDLNA on the viglen.
[22:02] <danfish> finster: hmm, no problem here. When you reinstalled 10.04 did you do a test of connection before installing anything else?
[22:03] <danfish> apt-cache search dlna
[22:04] <danfish> oops, wrong window :)
[22:04] <finster> danfish: http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ !
[22:05] <danfish> finster: Tx :) - was seeing if it's in the repos
[22:05] <finster> danfish: the strange thing is that i did a minimal install, where everything is downloaded over the network. very strange.
[22:08] <finster> danfish: btw, not installed minidlna yet - not installed anything additional at all out of the repos yet either - its a fresh install
[22:10]  * danfish is stumped
[22:11] <finster> hmmm. can't think of anything else to check. did it install a new kernel?
[22:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:12] <danfish> uname -r here gives me 2.6.32-26-386
[22:12] <danfish> czajkowski: enjoying Bath?
[22:12] <czajkowski> aye
[22:12] <czajkowski> it's very pretty
[22:13] <bigcalm> Ah, you found your way back then ;)
[22:13]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski :)
[22:13] <finster> danfish: same here - 2.6.32-26-386. Suppose that points the finger at my network connection then?
[22:15] <danfish> finster: Probably :(
[22:15] <czajkowski> bigcalm: aye once I remmebered to cross the bridge I was ok
[22:15] <danfish> czajkowski: I you are looking for a good place to eat 2moro, I can recommend the Firehouse Rotisserie http://www.firehouserotisserie.co.uk
[22:16] <danfish> about standard prices for Bath
[22:16] <finster> danfish: yeah - can't think what it could be though - like I say, I have a crunchbox machine working absolutely fine, and its only a netgear router. anything else i could check on the viglen?
[22:17] <czajkowski> danfish: thanks
[22:17] <danfish> finster: using a static IP config? IP conflicts on the network?
[22:18] <finster> danfish: all using DHCP, assigned by the router by MAC addresses - has been working fine for months.
[22:20] <danfish> the only thing I can suggest is to give the viglen with a static IP and see if that makes a difference
[22:25] <finster> danfish: righto, will try and do that. i will have to wait for another night though as it will need moving out from the cupboard and connecting to a monitor/keyboard. thanks for the help anyway.
[22:26] <danfish> np. good luck. they are still useful boxes IMO
[22:28] <finster> danfish: yeah - love my viglen. although i've been tinkering with a dockstar that i got from amazon for £25 recently...
[22:29] <danfish> have you hacked it to run openwrt or some such?
[22:30] <Azelphur> Anyone here using/heard about vfast/orbital?
[22:30] <Azelphur> It looks really interesting, unlimited 10mbit wireless internet in quite a lot of areas
[22:32] <finster> danfish: yeah - was pretty easy to install "Plugapps linux" - runs samba, minidlna, apache, ssh etc...
[22:34] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/483501978.png their 10mbit seems to actually be 10mbit too
[22:34] <danfish> finster: looks interesting.....
[22:37] <finster> danfish: yeah, pretty good coupled with external usb storage. might get brought into service if i can't get the viglen running properly!
[22:44] <UtrinqueParatus> Grrrrr why do microsoft always make it difficult for me to stay the right side of copyright law!!!
[22:45] <zleap> lol
[22:45] <zleap> this is why i use ubuntu,  can't be bothered with all the license key nonsense
[22:45] <UtrinqueParatus> MSDN renewal cost £4981!!!
[22:46] <zleap> not to mention having to pay for virus scanners, endless popups
[22:46] <zleap> OUch,  why do you need that,
[22:46] <zleap> ubuntu launchpad membership =- FREE
[22:46] <UtrinqueParatus> I'm a contractor so I need to keep on top of the latest technologies and migration methods to stay ahead
[22:46] <zleap> :D
[22:47] <zleap> ah
[22:47] <UtrinqueParatus> unfortunately most companies are MS based
[22:47] <UtrinqueParatus> but i'm not paying £5k
[22:47] <zleap> they are locked in by microsoft
[22:47] <zleap> who then in crease their charges so they can make more profit
[22:47] <zleap> i don't blame you
[22:48] <zleap> can you not try and get people to use free software
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> its not as if i'm even using the software commercially it will be purely on a non-internet connected Vsphere cluster
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> for testing only
[22:48] <zleap> ah
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> they should have more tiered levels
[22:48] <zleap> what is it exactly
[22:48] <zleap> just testing out their newest software
[22:49] <zleap> microsoft are there to make money nothing else
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> yeah ms exchange migrations and integration and stuff
[22:49] <zleap> exchnage is expensive enough
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> i know
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> and i need all 3
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> 2k3 2k7 and 2k10
[22:50] <zleap> ah versions
[22:50] <zleap> you would think they would pay YOU to test stuff eh
[22:51] <moreati> UtrinqueParatus: would an msdn subscription cover your needs, or would it fall outside the licensing restrictions?
[22:51] <UtrinqueParatus> its just greed, they should allow people who are ms certified ( i.e me ) full access to their software for testing purposes only
[22:52] <UtrinqueParatus> msdn would thats what I am talking about my renewal just came around and is just under £5k
[22:53] <zleap> if you wrote back and said you can't afford it and that canonical have offered you something at less than a 1/4 what would they say,
[22:53] <zleap> also say clients are willing to look at alternatives
[22:53] <moreati> UtrinqueParatus: oh smeg, I understood it to be onyl £100/year or so
[22:54] <UtrinqueParatus> there is an operating system only one which is pretty cheap
[22:54] <UtrinqueParatus> but i need exchange, ocs, sql etc
[22:54] <zleap> ok
[22:55] <UtrinqueParatus> zleap, MS are too big to even care about my subscription fee being lost
[22:55] <zleap> so whatr is their attitude to saying you can't afford it
[22:55] <zleap> ah
[22:55] <UtrinqueParatus> they know that there wont be a significant amount of people willing to move away so its not an issue for them
[22:56] <zleap> not enough people know about the alternatives
[22:56] <zleap> which is the main problem
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> my renewal is just under 5k but to buy as a new customer its 3600
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> :(
[22:57] <zleap> ah,  sounds like a total con to me
[22:57] <zleap> usual scam
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> im still not paying that
[22:58] <UtrinqueParatus> i only paid 890 last year
[22:58] <zleap> so its gone up by a good few hundred percent then
[23:02] <moreati> Oh, I came to ask a question. I'm trying to alter one of the patches to netbeans in the source deb, and I'm confused by the various patch systems. I think the package is using dbs, and I can't work out how to either apply the patches so I can make my change and create a new patch, or just alter a single patch file. Any takers?
[23:02] <moreati> These are the patches under debian/patches
[23:03] <zleap> moreati, you could ask in #netbeans
[23:04] <moreati> zleap: It's not really a netbeans question, it's a debian/ubuntu packaging question
[23:04] <zleap> ah
[23:05] <zleap> try #debian just in case someone there can help,  it seems a bit quiet in here
[23:05] <moreati> zleap: good idea, I just hope I don't stir anti-ubuntu wrath :)
[23:07] <zleap> wel as you said its a debian question
[23:07] <moreati> but an ubuntu package :)
[23:07] <zleap> but i know what you mean
[23:08] <zleap> hmm
[23:09] <AlanBell> moreati: try #ubuntu-motu perhaps
[23:10] <moreati> AlanBell: cheers, will do
[23:19] <moreati> aha cdbs-edit-patch may be the answer
[23:38] <dutchie> cdbs-edit-patch is cool