[11:18] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:24] <rmg51> Morning
[11:26] <JonathanD> hey
[11:26] <JonathanD> how goes?
[11:32] <rmg51> I need more sleep! :-/
[11:33] <rmg51> other than that, slowly
[11:35] <maco> i should go to sleep
[14:49] <InHisName> I've got enough sleep but not enough day left to do all my todo list.
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: better take back some of that sleep for a refund.
[15:47] <BeckySanderlin`x> "{#WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, has been granted bail by UK court. http://on.cnn.com/f2l5ct"
[15:47] <PennBot> Title: CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News (at on.cnn.com)
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin`x: I get page not found
[15:50] <BeckySanderlin`x> http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/14/wikileaks-founder-granted-bail/
[15:50] <PennBot> Title: WikiLeaks founder granted bail This Just In - CNN.com Blogs (at news.blogs.cnn.com)
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> That one works.
[16:06] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: and where do I find the sleep refund dept ?
[16:07] <InHisName> Working on fixing boot problems with older machine and ubuntu upgrade failed [10.04]
[16:08] <InHisName> /dev/sda5 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced
[16:09] <InHisName> I ran gparted CD and run fsck on '/dev/sda5'    gparted called it /dev/hdb5     STILL get not cleanly unmounted error. What else do I need to do before rebooting ?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: I SAW YOUR PAGE ON REDDIT :) upvote
[16:17] <InHisName> More notes on screen - next several:
[16:18] <InHisName> sda2: clean,   sda6: clean        skipping Appmor profile    [what's this thing?]
[16:20] <InHisName> Long one:  since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an UpStart job, you may also use  the start(8) utility e.g. start S49console-setup
[16:21] <InHisName> start: unknown job S49console-setup
[16:24] <InHisName> I'd like to learn how to salvage this one and bring it back to life.  Seems like a useful ubuntu learning challenge.
[16:35] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: at the counter with the sheep behind it with the number tattooed on its side.
[16:40] <ChinnoDog> Is it proper etiquette to list cousins that are not first cousins on fb in the family relationship section?
[16:40] <BeckySanderlin`x> lol
[16:40] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: if so, then what about 3rd cousins twice removed ?
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> Exactly. Generally you would just call them all "cousins" unless you want to be specific. I'm specific, but fb isn't.
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> So, do I add my 2nd cousin as my cousin?
[16:41] <InHisName> sure - then like having GIANT family
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> So you don't think this is a good idea?
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> If you can legally date them, don't list them as family?
[16:43] <InHisName> Depends on whether THEY like or object to that
[16:43] <andrew> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/CousinTree_kinship.svg
[16:43] <ChinnoDog> Well, there is no way for me to know that. The only question is, will my first cousin be offended that I list all those other cousins?
[16:43] <InHisName> If you goal is to race to over 5,000 friends go for it! All all you can find.
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> andrew: it wasn't until I looked it up on wikipedia and studied that graphic that I understood cousin relationships correctly
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> I didn't say they were my friend. I said I was related to them. haha
[16:44] <InHisName> I keep forgetting the removed part.  What was the wikipedia link ?
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> removed = separation in generations
[16:44] <andrew> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/CousinTree_kinship.svg
[16:45] <andrew> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin
[16:45] <PennBot> Title: Cousin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[16:46] <InHisName> Ha Ha  language choice 'simple english'     alot shorter and few words than normal english
[17:17] <InHisName> well, where are the ubuntu guru s ?
[17:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> i need one
[17:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> seems Pulseaudio
[17:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> is not working properly
[17:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> w/ my system
[17:22] <InHisName> I had that too a while ago.  Not sure what I did though.
[17:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> THINK!
[17:23] <InHisName> May have been UNinstalling it then REinstalled it     but only a guess.
[17:25] <InHisName> I had tried the other audio driver but it didn't do me any good either.  Then after REinstalling pulseaudio it started to work,  I think.
[17:25] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: thanks for the comment :)
[18:55] <jthan> BeckySanderlin`x: what about pulse isn't working?
[18:56] <BeckySanderlin`x> umm
[18:56] <BeckySanderlin`x> it stutters
[18:56] <BeckySanderlin`x> when i have it installe
[18:56] <BeckySanderlin`x> installed*
[18:56] <jthan> Just all sounds, in general
[18:56] <BeckySanderlin`x> yes, flash, mp3, movies skip too
[18:56] <jthan> Hm. Back in my Gentoo days I had a lot of run-ins with Pulseaudio problems.
[18:57] <jthan> Let me think for a few minutes.
[18:58] <jthan> btw - how do we all feel about the possibility for "daily updates" or whatever term they used for the next major release?
[18:58] <BeckySanderlin`x> 11.04?
[18:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> daily as in.. everyday an update will be pushed out?
[18:59] <ChinnoDog> So, something new can break every day?
[18:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> eredai
[19:00] <jthan> hold on..
[19:00] <jthan> I think it might have been ssweeny that posted it on twitter.
[19:01] <jthan> ssweeny: was it you? :-P
[19:01] <jthan> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opensuse-and-ubuntu-rollercoasters
[19:01] <PennBot> Title: The openSUSE and Ubuntu Rollercoasters | Linux Journal (at www.linuxjournal.com)
[19:01] <jthan> The Register quoted Mark Shuttleworth, founder of Canonical and Ubuntu, as saying he would be moving the popular distribution from its six-month release cycle to daily updates through the Ubuntu Software Center. This sent shock waves throughout Ubuntu with lots of cheers and a few jeers, but mostly lots more speculation. Some thought this was another indication of Canonical's newly forming direction while many worried that more bugs and instability 
[19:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> eh. my pc is filled w/ bugs, it really doesnt matter
[19:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> plus, i get Update monitor asking for me to allow updates anyways almost every week
[19:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> so theres no real diff
[19:03] <jthan> Right - but there are certain things that only change with major releases whereas with said ^ system, it could happen.. anytime
[19:03] <jthan> Or - that's how I'd imagine it works.
[19:04] <jthan> @stats
[19:04] <PennBot> jthan: I have 2 registered users with 1 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
[19:04] <jthan> logs?
 we haz logs, http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/PennBot/ or What happens in #ubuntu-us-pa stays in the logs
[19:04] <BeckySanderlin`x> i'd welcome it i guess. i have no sound so if it helps me to get some, i'd gladly be alll for it
[19:04] <ssweeny> jthan: what did i do now?
[19:05] <jthan> ssweeny: Did you RT that link that I just shared? About the possibility for "rolling releases" of sorts with Ubuntu?
[19:05]  * ssweeny posted no such link about rolling releases
[19:05] <ssweeny> and besides that was just a rumor
[19:05] <jthan> Was it?
[19:05]  * jthan doesn't know
[19:05] <jthan> I just read it.
[19:06] <ssweeny> the man himself said that wasn't what they're doing
[19:06] <jthan> "the man"
[19:06] <jthan> haha
[19:06] <ssweeny> he said it should be easier to get fixes into ubu
[19:06] <jthan> I see.
[19:06] <ssweeny> and that might include updating packages more often
[19:06] <jthan> Well thank you for furthering our Ubuntu education.
[19:06]  * ssweeny does what he can
[19:06] <pleia2> he was just talking about ppas and other rapid dev tools
[19:07] <pleia2> mangling that into "ubuntu becomes rolling release" gets more page hits though :)
[19:07] <jthan> Haha. I'd imagine.
[19:07] <jthan> If Ubuntu /did/ become rolling release, I'd probably throw a party.
[19:07] <jthan> I would invite everyone I knew. And everyone I don't know.
[19:08] <jthan> pleia2: on a similar note (but not really) when is Debian 6.0 set to be stable?
[19:08] <pleia2> "when it's ready"
[19:09]  * jthan puts it on his calendar
[19:09] <pleia2> they don't really do estimates, probably early next year though, the beta2 installer just came out last week
[19:09] <pleia2> RC bugs are still over 100, so it won't be by the end of the year
[19:10] <jthan> Yeah I saw your approval of the installer. Haha
[19:10] <jthan> I was going to work on Debian bugs for Google Code in but then I got hit hard with work so.. :-(
[19:10] <pleia2> yeah, mostly I'm just happy they didn't mess it up, still the good old debian installer I know and love
[19:11] <jthan> I'm a big fan of the ncurses installer.
[19:12] <pleia2> yeah, I didn't try their improved gui installer
[19:12] <jthan> The only place I'm using Debian at this point is on my Linode anyhow.
[19:12] <jthan> So that isn't so much of an option even if I liked it.
[20:57] <jedijf> BeckySanderlin`x: i always start with lspci to get audio card info and then google that device and the release you are running -someone has encountered fixed/shot/killed themselves prior
[20:59] <BeckySanderlin`x>  Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
[21:00] <jedijf> @google ubuntu EMU10k1X
[21:00] <PennBot> Bugger all, I dunno.
[21:00] <jedijf> not a good start
[21:00] <jedijf> [ubuntu] [SOLVED] No sound for emu10k1x on Hardy [Archive ...:  <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-846804.html
[21:00] <PennBot> Title: [ubuntu] [SOLVED] No sound for emu10k1x on Hardy [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
[21:01] <jedijf> real bot ^
[21:01] <jedijf> google is your friend
[21:01] <PennBot> I already had it that way, jedijf.
[21:01] <jthan> google?
[21:01] <PennBot> Somebody said google is your friend, jthan
[21:01] <jedijf> everyone should
[21:01] <jthan> ha
[21:01] <jthan> Who does Bing get to be friends with?
[21:02] <jedijf> bing is a friend of bill's
[21:02] <jthan> Oh.
[21:02] <jthan> bing?
[21:02] <PennBot> It has been said that bing is the new default search engine in ie now, jthan
[21:02] <jedijf> aa reference, too for bonus points
[21:02] <jedijf> bing is also a friend of bill's
[21:02] <jedijf> bing?
[21:02] <PennBot> It has been said that bing is the new default search engine in ie now or a friend of bill's, jedijf
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> bing is nice i think.
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> alittle more linux compatability with silverlight would be nice though.
[21:17] <andrew> technically speaking, anything is more than zero
[21:31] <MutantTurkey> moonlight fails
[21:39] <andrew> True, but in the same sentence, I must add, moonlight != silverlight
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> moonlight < silverlight
[21:39] <jthan> which is less than sunlight!
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> don't even get me started about sun... :p
[21:39] <andrew> daystar?
[21:39] <PennBot> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991208
[21:40] <BeckySanderlin`x> GRRRRR... ive had it.
[21:41] <jedijf> the joys of Linux \o/
[21:41]  * jthan wants a new distro
[21:41] <jthan> just to be different.
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> now theres no sound in games.
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> it used to have sound
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> even in Steam games
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> but i musta did something b/c theres no sound in Steam
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> im sad
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> one thing tho.. Vent + Wine works
[21:42] <BeckySanderlin`x> but that used to work in my old config
[21:43] <jthan> Steam.. you using wine there too?
[21:43] <MutantTurkey> wine...
[21:43] <BeckySanderlin`x> i wonder if i should..
[21:43] <jthan> Is there a linux native steam client?
[21:43] <BeckySanderlin`x> yes jthan
[21:43] <jthan> ooh.
[21:43] <BeckySanderlin`x> no
[21:43] <jthan> alright.
[21:43] <jthan> What games do you play?
[21:43]  * jthan never had a whole lot of luck with wine + games + Linux
[21:44] <BeckySanderlin`x> http://steamcommunity.com/id/BeckySanderlin/games?tab=all
[21:44] <PennBot> Title: Steam Community :: c.BeckySanderlin :: Games (at steamcommunity.com)
[21:45] <BeckySanderlin`x> i play more but for some reason steam doesnt display those
[21:45] <jthan> dang.
[21:45] <BeckySanderlin`x> anyways.. DNL is coming on shortly. need foods then TV
[21:45] <andrew> http://twitter.com/#!/google/statuses/14797714273337344
[21:45] <PennBot> Title: Twitter (at twitter.com)
[21:45] <BeckySanderlin`x> thanks for trying to help
[22:00] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: did you buy that bundle? I don't know about the others, but Braid remains one of my favorite games.