| tjaalton | hum, what's the diminutive english word for "wave"? (wavelet?) | 09:13 |
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| tjaalton | nevermind | 09:29 |
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| ilmari | tjaalton: microwave :) | 13:11 |
| tjaalton | hehe :) | 13:13 |
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| Sarvatt | mdeslaur: how did nouveau 3D go for you? | 15:05 |
| Sarvatt | unity work? | 15:05 |
| mdeslaur | Sarvatt: yeah, unity worked. But I'm back to nvidia, unfortunately. images.google.com is basically unusable with nouveau, and when I viewed a couple of large images in firefox, all my desktop pixmaps stopped working | 15:07 |
| mdeslaur | Sarvatt: I'll try and reproduce later to file a bug | 15:08 |
| Sarvatt | mdeslaur: hmm, what GPU do you have? | 15:08 |
| mdeslaur | a black one? :) | 15:08 |
| mdeslaur | hold on, I'll look | 15:08 |
| mdeslaur | NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 140M (G86) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0) | 15:09 |
| bjsnider | that is what blocked it from working, instead of compiz? i'd never have guessed | 15:09 |
| bjsnider | what about in a different browser than firefox? | 15:09 |
| mdeslaur | bjsnider: in chromium, images.google.com works fine | 15:10 |
| bjsnider | yeah, firefox on linux is a piece of crap | 15:10 |
| mdeslaur | bjsnider: well, it's something particular about the way firefox handles images.google.com | 15:11 |
| Sarvatt | don't tell me images.google.com uses webgl in firefox 4.0 now too :) | 15:12 |
| bjsnider | i've heard people say that firefox is faster out of wine than the native linux version, so clearly it must be optimized for windows performance | 15:12 |
| mdeslaur | Sarvatt: I had the same images.google.com issue with firefox 3 in maverick with nouveau | 15:14 |
| bjsnider | i think we're really headed towards chromium as the default browser in ubuntu eventually | 15:15 |
| Sarvatt | mdeslaur: thanks, was just curious what your experience was with the 3D side since we don't get much feedback. will try to reproduce that on my G86 when I can hijack it from the wife :) | 15:15 |
| mdeslaur | Sarvatt: during the limited testing I did with unity, it worked great | 15:16 |
| mdeslaur | Sarvatt: I did install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental even if I didn't know if I needed it or not | 15:17 |
| mdeslaur | oh, I guess I do...geforce 4 is ancient | 15:18 |
| JanC | bjsnider: the Mozilla binary build for linux is also faster than the one in the Ubuntu package... | 15:19 |
| Sarvatt | yeah it was, would like to enable it by default or make it easier to install (like through jockey) at some point, we should probably put out a call for testing for it | 15:19 |
| Sarvatt | if anything just to get more exposure that people can use unity without the blob on a livecd with it | 15:20 |
| mdeslaur | Would be nice to have unity working on nvidia without the binary driver | 15:20 |
| Sarvatt | wow cairo xlib actually faster than the image backend for images.google.com on the blob | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ 0] xlib firefox-4 0.148 0.150 1.84% 6/6 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ # ] image: pixman 0.18.4 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ 0] image firefox-4 0.160 0.162 0.95% 6/6 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | sure as heck isn't on intel | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ 0] xlib firefox-4 1.044 1.093 2.23% 6/6 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ # ] image: pixman 0.21.2 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | [ 0] image firefox-4 0.724 0.731 1.65% 6/6 | 15:42 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: just waiting for the nocompat32 release to update the blob in the PPA | 16:05 |
| Sarvatt | they didn't upload stuff to the FTP this time | 16:06 |
| bjsnider | i don't see a new driver | 16:24 |
| bjsnider | oh, now i see | 16:25 |
| bjsnider | http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/260.19.29/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.29-no-compat32.run&lang=us&type=GeForce | 16:27 |
| Sarvatt | thanks, I didn't see it anywhere | 16:27 |
| bjsnider | i just typed the no-compat32 part into the url figuring it might be there and it was | 16:29 |
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| tseliot | Sarvatt: are evergreen cards fully supported in Natty? | 17:12 |
| Sarvatt | tseliot: nope | 17:14 |
| Sarvatt | tseliot: needs a git x-x-v-ati | 17:14 |
| tseliot | Sarvatt: ah, so mesa should be fine, right? I'm sure about drm | 17:15 |
| bryceh | tseliot, Sarvatt, I'm writing the X.org report for this week... got anything I should include mention of? | 18:03 |
| Sarvatt | hm, could mention the nvidia/fglrx xorg.conf thing maybe. nothing really exciting on my end | 18:08 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, ahh yes good idea | 18:10 |
| bryceh | I've posted status to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-14 | 18:11 |
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| hrw | hi | 19:37 |
| hrw | does someone know why 'intel' driver does not load on i855 chipset in maverick? | 19:37 |
| hrw | it matches only vesa and fbdev. | 19:39 |
| hrw | when I used Debian 'sid' on this machine months ago all was working. | 19:40 |
| hrw | KMS works fine - inteldrmfb works | 19:40 |
| hrw | brb | 19:43 |
| * ilmari is getting occasional X hangs on resume from supend with the latest maverick kernel update (2.6.35-24.42) | 19:50 | |
| ilmari | i915/arrandale | 19:51 |
| hrw | i915.... lucky you | 19:52 |
| hrw | i855 here - piece of crap | 19:53 |
| ilmari | it's actually core i7 integrated graphics ;) | 19:53 |
| ilmari | i915 is just the kernel driver name | 19:54 |
| hrw | ah | 19:54 |
| hrw | ilmari: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/4658/how-to-install-intel-82852-855gm-driver-on-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat maybe? | 19:55 |
| hrw | ignore 855 in it - it just gives younewer driver | 19:56 |
| ilmari | well, it didn't do this with the previous maverick kernel, so it seems like a regression | 19:56 |
| bryceh | hrw, the 8xx support has been decaying upstream and accumulating regressions. It's proven too time consuming to support in ubuntu, esp. since we don't have anyone on the ubuntu-x team with that hardware | 19:58 |
| bryceh | ilmari, I think that's a known issue... an incompatibility between the newer kernel and older -intel. You need to update to a newer -intel to use it with the newer kernel. | 19:58 |
| bryceh | ilmari, get a newer -intel for maverick from the x-updates ppa. | 19:59 |
| ilmari | ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ? | 19:59 |
| bryceh | that's the one | 19:59 |
| hrw | bryceh: Canonical hardware lab also lacks i855 devices? | 20:07 |
| hrw | ~curse intel for i855 | 20:07 |
| bryceh | hrw, they do not have i855, no | 20:08 |
| hrw | this laptop is still fine for my wife when it comes to size/hwardware (12", pentium m 1.6GHz) | 20:08 |
| bryceh | however even if they did, I'm uncertain if their testing procedures would be sufficient to catch the types of bugs we see | 20:09 |
| hrw | bryceh: if this can help then I can take this laptop with me for ubuntu platform rally in dallas,tx | 20:09 |
| bryceh | hrw, no, like I said it's too time consuming to support 8xx so we pretty much don't support it anymore | 20:11 |
| hrw | ok | 20:11 |
| hrw | will have to live with fbdev then | 20:11 |
| hrw | good that at least inteldrmfb works | 20:12 |
| bryceh | it's not that we need to just fiddle a few bits to make it work, but that someone needs to sit down and do some serious debugging/development work on it, and that could take several man-weeks | 20:12 |
| hrw | waste of time then it would be | 20:12 |
| bryceh | as well as routine and regular testing for regressions on new code drops (e.g. xorg-edgers), and working with upstream to get issues resolved | 20:12 |
| hrw | 1.6GHz pentium m is still fast enough to do some desktop effects in software | 20:13 |
| hrw | 5-6 years old hardware requires some sacrifice | 20:14 |
| hrw | bryceh: thanks for help | 20:16 |
| hrw | bye guys | 20:16 |
| bryceh | hrw, sure, ssorry it isn't better news | 20:16 |
| speakman | hi folks | 21:13 |
| speakman | how dow I enable TCP listening on X? I'd like to connect remotely with DISPLAY env var | 21:14 |
| Sarvatt_ | good question, gdm sets that and I'm not seeing the option to disable it in a GUI anymore | 21:28 |
| speakman | seems like it's configured in gconf nowadays? | 21:29 |
| speakman | but no idea how.. | 21:29 |
| Sarvatt_ | if it's anything like the other args passed to gdm now it might be hardcoded in the gdm source, hope thats not true.. | 21:30 |
| speakman | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590100 | 21:31 |
| speakman | That's not very clear... | 21:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | speakman: ahh /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@" | 21:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | speakman: looks like you can remove it from there, and change the gconf key | 21:32 |
| Sarvatt_ | ...which i'm not finding | 21:33 |
| speakman | is it really hard coded..? | 21:33 |
| Sarvatt_ | oh edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and add [security] | 21:34 |
| Sarvatt_ | DisallowTCP=false | 21:34 |
| Sarvatt_ | nope, -nr is though :( | 21:34 |
| speakman | exactly, but your paste of xserverrc looks scary | 21:34 |
| speakman | -nr ? | 21:34 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, btw with pulling a new -ati into the archive, I'd be cool with it. We've even shipped git snapshots of -ati with decent results in the past. | 22:37 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, is there anything to beware of that you know of with -ati 6.13.99 if I were to pull it into ubuntu now-ish? | 22:38 |
| bryceh | (Or would it be better to wait until after we're all back from holidays?) | 22:38 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: nothing that I'm aware of, evergreen acceleration was making X crash with SIGBUS until recently but we have a fixed up kernel in natty | 22:39 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, ok I may do the -ati merge if I have time this week | 22:40 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt, i can do that nvidia blob if you're busy | 23:38 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: sure, thanks for that. my cable modem resets every 5-10mb uploaded and haven't been able to be without net that long today to do it | 23:40 |
| bjsnider | why the bleep does it do that? | 23:41 |
| bjsnider | you must have north american internet to put up with that crap | 23:42 |
| Sarvatt | you know it.. I tried to upload it on 3G earlier but apparently they dont let you upload more than 30MB at once on it, yay t-mobile | 23:43 |
| bjsnider | what is your ISP's pathetic excuse for the cable modem issue? | 23:44 |
| Sarvatt | they're comcast | 23:45 |
| bjsnider | that's what they said? "we're comcast"? | 23:46 |
| Sarvatt | got a fios install schedule for next month, goodbye comcast :) | 23:46 |
| bryceh | yay! | 23:47 |
| bryceh | yeah comcast sucks, although thats a level of suckatude I hadn't experienced when I was on it | 23:48 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: the only gotcha I forsee with an ati checkout.. | 23:50 |
| Sarvatt | they are doing funky version bumps | 23:50 |
| Sarvatt | they change the version on master from 6.13.99 down to 6.13.x, release, then bump it back up to 6.13.99 after | 23:51 |
| bryceh | huh | 23:51 |
| Sarvatt | not sure if it should be 6.13.3 for a git snapshot | 23:51 |
| Sarvatt | guess we can check what fedora is doing | 23:51 |
| bryceh | yeah | 23:51 |
| Sarvatt | sorry I was in a call when you asked earlier and forgot to mention that | 23:52 |
| Sarvatt | 84 * Wed Dec 01 2010 Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com> 6.13.2-0.3.20101201gite142e55c5 | 23:52 |
| Sarvatt | 6.13.3 is probably going to be newer than our 6.13.99 checkout if we do it normally looking at what they did with 6.13.[12] | 23:55 |
| Sarvatt | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=cc5005af61f45a3552f7358dc5aa711e42f5af54 and http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=ad999e633ff41d27eed9d2c6535e163a7181b0bd | 23:55 |
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