[00:17] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:39] <bitplane> halp! I think I found a bug... can one of you please help me confirm and then walk me through the bug reporting process?
[02:40] <bitplane> I changed the switcher with the Simple CompizConfig settings thing, but I can't do alt+shift+tab on the new fancy switchers. alt+tab works fine, alt+shift+tab doesn't do anything in the new switchers
[02:40] <bitplane> but it works in the old one
[02:40] <bitplane> I'm using a UK keyboard if that makes any difference. I've also tried both shift keys, which shouldn't
[02:55] <cozziemoto> bitplane,   are you sure you have 11.04 installed because the compiz that is default is  0.9
[02:56] <cozziemoto> bitplane,  also I think you might want to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:56] <cozziemoto> billybigrigger,  rather than simple ccsm
[02:58] <bitplane> all my software sources say maverick
[03:29] <Volkodav> Half the plugins' icons are not visible in xfce or is it just me ?
[03:30] <Volkodav> in xfce panel*
[03:41] <charlie-tca> Volkodav: icons in the system tray shrink until they disappear.
[03:42] <Volkodav> charlie-tca: I am talking about the panel
[03:42] <Volkodav> some are visible - some are not
[03:42] <charlie-tca> The tray is in the top panel, next to the speaker, normally.
[03:43] <Volkodav> I add them - they are in the panel but not visible
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Most of us have them right after we log in, then they dsisappear through the day
[03:43] <Volkodav> :)
[03:44] <charlie-tca> hm, try changing icon sets or appearance theme?
[03:44] <Volkodav> panel 2 has it Ok
[03:44] <Volkodav> yes I changed icons not the theme though
[03:45] <Volkodav> nope - still the same
[03:45] <charlie-tca> and, it does still have some bugs in 4.7, too
[03:46] <charlie-tca> Some of the plugins are still broken, they won't work yet. They have to fix weather app and something else yet
[03:46] <Volkodav> That i already see - the panel was substantially rewritten and is full of glitches with compiz on top of it....
[03:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:46] <Volkodav> say you add any launcer and it is still invisible - you click on where the blind spot is and it works
[03:47] <Volkodav> with or withpit compiz
[03:47] <Volkodav> i am sure they'll square it out
[03:47] <Volkodav> any idea how i restart the panel now?
[03:47] <Volkodav> Old one would give a menu on the corner right click
[03:48] <charlie-tca> places plugin is gone, too
[03:48] <nit-wit> Volkodav, killall gnome-panel
[03:48] <charlie-tca> restart it by using Alt+F2, xfce4-panel &
[03:49] <charlie-tca> If you did not pick keep old configuration, you no longer have a menu
[03:49] <nit-wit> charlie-tca, that makes more sense
[03:49] <Volkodav> no workie charlie-tca
[03:49] <charlie-tca> you have a top panel, right?
[03:50] <Volkodav> yeah
[03:50] <Volkodav> old one used to have restart on right click
[03:50] <Volkodav> this new one does not
[03:50] <charlie-tca> no it doesn't
[03:50] <charlie-tca> Try this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[03:51] <charlie-tca> Kill them, then restart it
[03:51] <Volkodav> why they removed restart though - was very handy
[03:51] <Volkodav> when killing it will not save the config
[03:52] <Volkodav> I need it saved
[03:52] <charlie-tca> They completely re-wrote the panel code. It may have just got missed
[03:52] <Volkodav> They's better put it back in - I will file it as a bug before they forget
[03:55] <charlie-tca> I picked "default configuration" in natty. Got the top panel with what used to be in the bottom and the quit button. Bottom is 4 launchers, one of which is application finder. That replaced the menu for me
[03:56] <Volkodav> charlie-tca: I change the panels all around - do not even remember how it was day one :)
[03:56] <charlie-tca> It was different! I got that down
[03:57] <charlie-tca> Well, time for bed. Good luck with that. Might have to logout/login, or even restart to get the panel working right again
[03:57] <Volkodav> Laters charlie-tca
[06:01] <timboy> are we seriously going to have a global menu like mac?
[06:01] <rww> yes
[06:04] <timboy> will the menu follow the windows when they aren't maximized or are they always going to be at the top?
[06:04] <timboy> that's my biggest hatred of OSX
[06:06] <rww> If I recall correctly, they stay at the top.
[06:06] <timboy> so gay
[06:07] <rww> timboy: Don't use "gay" as a pejorative, please.
[06:09] <timboy> it's a suitable pejorative i believe. I'll use it if I want. it means wrong or absurd or bad or backwards
[06:09] <rww> No, it's not. It's offensive, and not acceptable for Ubuntu's channels.
[06:09] <timboy> i know being gay is offensive
[06:10] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct | timboy
[06:10] <timboy> i didn't come here for a debate and i don't want to try to dissuade your wrong opinions.
[06:11] <rww> timboy: Opinions have nothing to do with it. Part of this channel's guidelines are respect for others. Using sexual orientation as a pejorative is disrespectful and unacceptable behavior.
[06:11] <timboy> lol
[06:27] <Volkodav> I noticed really weird behaviour of the right click in xfce with compiz - the menu of the right click shows up behind the app - I noticed that only on a half transparent window - otherwise it feels like it does not work at all
[06:27] <Volkodav> any app
[10:04] <h4f> I have installed natty for testing purpose on my notebook. what is what is the key to see menu in all windows ?
[10:05] <h4f> how do I see the list of running programs ? its not displayed in notification
[10:10] <rumpe1> h4f, do you use unity?
[10:18] <xharx> i have installed natty from life system, but install does not start. also not able to invoke konsole (alt ctrl f1)
[11:26] <xharx> i have installed natty from life system, but install does not start. also not able to invoke konsole (alt ctrl f1)
[14:48] <indus> i cannot enable unity
[14:48] <indus> any suggestions, my system is uptodate
[15:02] <coz_> gawd the lanche is ugly ;0
[15:02] <coz_> launcher
[15:54] <coz_> what ever happened to the sounds that were suppose to be changed?
[15:56] <IdleOne> art and sounds come later on in the cycle don't they
[16:02] <Pici> Usuaully.
[16:02] <Pici> Usually too.
[16:02] <coz_> ok
[16:02] <coz_> does anyone know who was picked to create the new sounds?
[16:03] <IdleOne> I don't think that info is revealed until the packages are released
[16:04] <IdleOne> I could be completely wrong
[16:09] <Pici> I'd guess that the art team might have that information, but I may be wrong as well.
[16:09] <coz_> Pici,  i;ll check
[16:10] <coz_> although they did have a site to upload examples of new sounds from the user community
[16:13] <IdleOne> coz_: a wiki page iirc
[16:14] <IdleOne> best bet is to ask the art team
[16:14] <coz_> ok
[17:39] <duffydack> umnm, so I got alpha1 (tried daily-live also same problem) and I made usb with persistence but its not using the casper-rw.  ?
[17:58] <fagan> hmmmm is anyone else getting unity segfaulting
[17:59]  * fagan updated but thought unity would be fine to update 
[17:59] <IdleOne> the joy of alpha release
[18:00] <fagan> IdleOne: yeah but it was relatively stable up to now
[18:00] <IdleOne> things break
[18:00] <fagan> its interesting that they let an update thats segfaulting in
[18:01] <IdleOne> it's to be expected that your alpha os will not boot
[18:01] <IdleOne> or run properly
[18:01] <fagan> IdleOne: yeah things break but thats where developers at least run their code before pushing an update. I know all that I have been testing for a crap load of releases now.
[18:01] <rumpel__> or doesn't damage anything
[18:02] <rumpel__> perhaps it's a very hardware-specific bug
[18:02] <fagan> when we are the upstream (in things like unity) I presume that the sky isnt going to fall for an update
[18:02] <fagan> rumpel__: probably not
[18:05] <charlie-tca> fagan: did you try unity --reset  ?
[18:11] <fagan> charlie-tca: nope
[18:11] <fagan> ill give it a go
[18:11] <charlie-tca> it was fixing things yesterday
[18:12] <fagan> charlie-tca: that fixed it
[18:13] <fagan> hanks
[18:13] <fagan> *thanks
[18:13] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:13]  * charlie-tca got my one right today
[18:13] <IdleOne> one a day keeps the devs away?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I only seem to get one answer right each day
[18:14]  * charlie-tca thinks no point in trying to answer any more questions todya
[18:17] <coz_> did I mention the Launcher is gosh darn ugly :)
[18:18] <charlie-tca> no :-)
[18:18] <coz_>  The launcher is gosh darn ugly :)
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Thank you for mentioning that
[18:29] <charlie-tca> virtualbox is broken in natty?
[18:39] <bongmaster__> does anyone know why tehre is an extra x64 mac version?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> anybody know how to make VBox puel version work again in natty?
[20:29] <duffydack> Ive tried lucid and maverick to make a natty usb stick with casper-rw but its just not using the casper-rw,  is this a common problem?
[20:52] <ghostcube> nkt dass der chip + velo damals 190 geksotet ham
[20:52] <guntbert> ghostcube: wrong window?
[20:53] <ghostcube> oh lol sorry i was typing in another chan as the channels openeing all
[20:53] <ghostcube> my fault
[20:53] <guntbert> :)
[20:54] <guntbert> as there is not much talking anyway I see no problem - it was only intended as a reminder :-)
[20:54] <ghostcube> thx so far i havent noticed till you told me :)
[21:39] <feros> Hello there :) Searching for help about Ubuntu 11.04 :)
[21:39] <feros> Good sign :P I ask for help and 1 quits >:
[21:40]  * rumpel__ quits too
[21:40] <feros> Anyone wanna help me a bit with my Microphone problem :/? my "sudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf" is blank,
[21:41] <feros> Whitor :D Pro Ubuntu user :3?
[21:43] <feros> 206 people here, and none can help :P
[21:43] <feros> Wooohoooo
[21:44] <rww> !helpme
[21:44] <feros> errr,
[21:44] <feros> I feel shot after that
[21:45] <tejaishot> Amaranth: i have a problem when i am trying to install updates...shows an error connection to daemon lost....what is this called?
[21:45] <tejaishot> i have a problem when i am trying to install updates...shows an error connection to daemon lost....what is this called?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yo
[22:08] <feros> dyo
[22:08] <feros> yo*
[22:14] <coz_> whoa   gksudo nautilus is giving an error  ..."underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does not allow you tu run this program
[22:19] <IdleOne> coz_: not seeing that here
[22:19] <Amaranth> whoa OpenGL ES is still broken for i965 :/
[22:19] <IdleOne> Amaranth: fix it :)
[22:20] <Amaranth> IdleOne: I'm compiling the i965 gallium driver now
[22:20] <Amaranth> If the driver itself doesn't fall over GLES is free
[22:21] <IdleOne> sounds good
[22:21] <Amaranth> Although this doesn't look promising: "<Dr_Jakob> Amaranth: its dead jim."
[22:34] <BUGabundo> -root   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[22:34] <BUGabundo> +root   ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[22:34] <BUGabundo> are we changing sudoers?
[22:48] <crucialhoax> hello all
[22:50] <crucialhoax> I created a live usb and when it boots it stops as soon as it shows the 'Debian`date` Peter et all' screen is this a bug?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: look like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/690873
[22:59] <BUGabundo> OOPS
[22:59] <BUGabundo> should I revert ?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> it is being discussed in #ubuntu-devel
[23:00] <crimsun> if you can revert, yes
[23:01] <crimsun> bah
[23:01] <crucialhoax> I created a live usb and when it boots it stops as soon as it shows the 'Debian`date` Peter et all' screen is this a bug?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> crimsun: too late
[23:19] <BUGabundo> crimsun: charlie-tca I have my /etc with etckeeper and bazaar
[23:20] <BUGabundo> sufice to revert that? or do I need the binaires too?
[23:20] <bjsnider> crimsun, why would vlc have a volume control that operates independently of pulse if it's using pulse's output driver?
[23:21] <duffydack> I cant create a live usb with persistence, it just wont use the persistence part..
[23:21] <crimsun> bjsnider: "operates independently"?
[23:21] <crimsun> bjsnider: note that we still disable flat volumes
[23:24] <bjsnider> crimsun, what i mean is, vlc's volume control moves separately from the one that appears in pulse's applications tab, and can move the volume higher than pulse can get it
[23:25] <BUGabundo> bugabundo is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I guess its to late for me
[23:26] <BUGabundo> live cd here I come
[23:26] <bjsnider> reported to whom? the swiss navy?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> chroot here I come
[23:31] <BUGabundo> so I'm no longer ROOT of my own laptop... awesome
[23:31] <BUGabundo> machines are taking over
[23:32] <bjsnider> yeah, the matrix has you
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> watch out with updating the sudoers file
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> oh
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> it's in the topic :p
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> to bad :D
[23:34] <Amaranth> bjsnider: vlc runs an audio filter to boost the volume before sending it to pulse
[23:34] <Amaranth> So it gets overdrive, 400% volume
[23:34] <bjsnider> is it possible to turn that off?
[23:34] <Amaranth> Not that I know of
[23:35] <bjsnider> well, i don't want the sound filtered
[23:39] <fagan> I updated but I still have root access
[23:39] <fagan> so am I still good?
[23:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:40] <fagan> yay
[23:50] <h00k> So, there was just an update...I allowed it to install package-maintainers version of /etc/sudoers, suddenly I can't sudo on my box.
[23:51] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/690873
[23:51] <h00k> yeah. Cool.
[23:52] <h00k> wonder how I should take car eof this :D
[23:54] <charlie-tca> h00k: boot a live cd, mount your root disk and:
[23:54] <charlie-tca> echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers
[23:54] <charlie-tca> to /etc/sudoers on your root disk, of course
[23:54] <h00k> charlie-tca: yeah, I have my USB drive here...I'll do that