[08:28] <vish> doctormo: what is the status of the deviantart group and free culture?
[08:28]  * thorwil wonders what evilvish did
[08:28] <vish> hehe.. ;)
[08:29] <vish> yea, i need to register that nick... i noticed that some people use that as an alternate nick..
[08:30] <vish> thorwil: what is all the confusion with the separate groups? why the new process when there already is a separate group for illustration?
[08:30] <thorwil> vish: i just replied to john's 2nd request to you. if he doesn't get his act together now, i will ask him to leave
[08:30] <vish> thorwil: thanks.. :)
[08:32] <thorwil> vish: it started with me saying that we need no other pool at all. that illustrations can be added to the one flickr pool (i don't recall it ever being limited to photos, that's just what happened because of flickr's audience)
[08:32] <kwwii> isn't leading this community fun?
[08:32] <vish> thorwil: yea.. i noticed, but it was just a failure that the last task never got completed.. :(
[08:33] <thorwil> vish: but saleel thinks illustrations in there would get overlooked, so he wants a separate pool. i said i'm *not opposed* to that
[08:33]  * vish wondering if doctormo is reading the artwork mailing list mails..
[08:34] <vish> thorwil: right, but there already is a group, for illustration.. we did the same thing last time.. freeculture created a new group.. then doctormo can with the community team(laura) and started asking why there are two teams.. and then we merged into the #deviant-artists teamm
[08:35] <vish> we are now again, running round in circles.. :s
[08:35] <thorwil> vish: deviantart sucks even harder than flickr, the collection there is not convincing at all and the failure of the last round is another pointer that we should think twice of relying on canonical where we don't have to
[08:35] <vish> s/ doctormo can / doctormo came
[08:36] <thorwil> i admit i never really understood the path from the showcase to illustrative wallpapers
[08:39] <vish> thorwil: if doctormo's deviantart group doesnt work, then we should make it clear and update it for free culture showcase
[08:41] <thorwil> vish: extra fun, allmost all pieces in that deviantart gallery that i would care about are from John, of all people!
[08:41] <vish> yea.. ;p
[10:59] <vish> doctormo: i'v cc'd you on the mail.. regarding the deviant art.. pls read! ;)
[11:03] <vish> sheesh..!  john has some fire lit somewhere!
[11:07] <vish> thorwil: i took up your role.. "deliverer of the bad news" ;p
[11:08] <vish> just this once.. ;)
[11:30] <thorwil> vish: great mail
[11:31] <vish> thorwil: thanks.. we cant let you be the only one writing the good mails always.. ;)
[13:09] <doctormo> vish: I haven't got an email yet, what is this all about please?
[13:46] <vish> doctormo: you should have got a mail with the subject" Community-wallpapers package  .."  i sent it to the nic@gmail.c id..
[13:47] <vish> doctormo: are you still subscribed to the artwork list?
[13:48] <doctormo> vish: yes
[13:48] <vish> doctormo: well, it is also there..
[13:49] <doctormo> there are a lot of emails in that thread, the original one?
[13:49] <vish> doctormo: the whole issue was about the deviant art FCS failure last cycle
[13:49] <vish> free culture showcase
[13:51] <doctormo> Yes, that was a bit of a bummer, I thought we'd worked it out.
[13:51] <doctormo> Just read your summary email
[13:51] <vish> doctormo: john conveniently forgot about the free culture thing and is now trying to create a whole new process..
[13:51] <vish> someone needs to smack some sense into him!
[13:52] <doctormo> I'll be honest Vish, I've given up trying to make sense of what John is doing and how it relates to the Art team. I'm not feeling to love of putting time into the art team at the moment.
[13:52] <vish> everyone gave up on him..
[13:52] <vish> everyone who knows something.
[13:53] <vish> doctormo: but the issue is, people are being mislead..
[13:53] <vish> he seriously is schizophrenic , and has delusions of grandeur..
[13:53] <doctormo> Well yes
[13:54] <doctormo> We could have a talk with him and if that doesn't convince him to leave, moderate him off the mailing list.
[13:54] <doctormo> It's hard to see how anything else can be done
[13:54] <doctormo> We've tried asking him to not be a jerk over lots of issues.
[13:55] <vish> +1
[14:01] <doctormo> vish: I've sent him an email asking to talk and explaining some things.
[14:02] <vish> cool, thanks..
[14:02] <vish> doctormo: pls cc, the artwork list..
[14:02] <doctormo> vish: I can't, it's a private email. I'll cc the list when it's out of private.
[14:02] <vish> otherwise, everyone just gets mislead by his actions
[14:03] <doctormo> vish: We'll deal with perceptions after the issues are resolved, can't start healing until we've cured.
[14:03] <vish> doctormo: hmm,, well atleast try to cc non-personal stuff..  right now, it just seems like thorwil and I are against any changes in the team..
[14:03] <vish> k.. :)
[14:04] <doctormo> vish: Let's try and do this by the book as it where, I think putting it on the list may be seen at the moment to be counter productive and ask members to take sides.
[14:05] <vish> doctormo: nah, i dint mean about taking sides.. raising questions about his proposals sorta thing
[14:06] <vish> doctormo: anyway.. as you say.. lets try off list, and then let's see
[14:06] <doctormo> vish: Can't deal with the specific technicals until the inter-personal is clear.
[14:06] <vish> yup..
[14:09] <doctormo> vish: Although that recent email seems to suggest he's leaving.
[14:13]  * vish crosses fingers..
[14:13] <thorwil> ok, that last mail of him made it really clear: he's an idiot. and i don't say that lightly
[14:13]  * thorwil -> coffee
[16:15] <coz_> anyone know who was chosen for creating the new sounds on natty?
[17:47] <kwwii> coz_: maybe it will be a contest :D
[17:58] <thorwil> vish: http://www.essentialtpe.com/global/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108:the-icon-battery-pack-for-iphone&catid=57
[18:11] <doctormo> thorwil: We need to call you thor-not-a-contest-will ;-)
[18:14] <coz_> kwwii,  hey guy sorry for delayed response ,,,had to go to the store... I think it sort of already was...there were a number of us that submitted sound examples
[18:14] <coz_> I just wanted to know if a decision as to whom would do the work has been made
[18:41] <thorwil> doctormo, vish: i wonder if the topic of using spreadubuntu or art.ubuntu-owl.org should be brought up again
[18:42] <thorwil> i tolerated john pushing flickr because i was happy having someone else taking care of specs, but obviously it was a mistake (to not block right on the first communication issues)
[18:47] <doctormo> thorwil: I'd be happy to put some mind to the problem, because it's one of those true issues where no solution is truely good enough.
[18:51] <thorwil> doctormo: don't you think that art.ubuntu-owl.org perhaps with few small tweaks or spreadubuntu with the addition of appropriate categories would be good enough as interim solution?
[18:54] <doctormo> thorwil: I think it might indeed.
[18:56] <thorwil> doctormo: you might be the only one knowing both at least from the user side, putting you in the best position to make a choice
[18:57] <thorwil> though for a request regarding spreadubuntu, i might have a small bonus thanks to my recent work for it :)
[19:07] <vish> thorwil: hmm, i think i might have been disconnected in the middle there.. after you gave the link there is doctorm-o's comment about thor-not-a-contest-wil …
[19:07]  * vish confused..
[19:08] <thorwil> vish: no, this channel wasn't vishless
[19:08] <vish> ;p
[19:09] <vish> thorwil:  yea, the art.ubuntu-owl.org needs to be brought up.. but for which?
[19:09] <vish> which task*
[19:10] <thorwil> vish: kwwii mentioned 'contest' to coz, doctormo was reminded of my last blog post, where i said "Feel free to build on the work of others and to collaborate, as this is not a contest". i guess. also http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/on-design-contests-in-floss/
[19:10] <vish> ah! :)
[19:11] <thorwil> vish: switching for the edu/x/l wallpapers might be too disruptive, so whatever comes next with a ned to collect submissions
[19:11]  * vish nods..
[19:12] <vish>  management change ! ;)
[19:13] <doctormo> thorwil: You know my rambling conjunctions better than I could respectfully expect anyone to.
[19:14] <doctormo> vish: sorry for the confusion there.
[19:14] <doctormo> I've had no response from baer yet, he might be offline or might be thinking it over.
[19:14] <vish> doctormo: nah, i was more confused and a bit thrown off by the link thorwil gave.. :)
[19:15] <vish> i was expecting john to blowup somewhere pretty soon..  /o\
[19:15] <thorwil> vish: i just though you would enjoy a battery icon battery
[19:15] <vish>  :)
[19:17] <doctormo> It looked cool, all applish swish
[19:23] <vish> yea.. i wonder if the thing is cylindrical or just flat..
[19:26] <doctormo> The deps on tex really need fixing, pdfjam shouldn't need 250MB of debs.
[19:27] <thorwil> peanuts compared to a full texlive installation :)
[19:28] <thorwil> boo, python just let me down with a "ValueError: too many values to unpack"
[19:36] <doctormo> thorwil: What were you trying to do? I'm a python programmer after all.
[19:36] <thorwil> doctormo: turns out i can't count! ;)
[19:38] <doctormo> I think this is pulling in the entire of texlive, interestingly enough.
[19:40] <thorwil> when i installed texlive manually for the ubuntu manual project (required newer version), i think it wanted about 2 GB, maybe more