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seb128well either way that will need to be sorted in dallas00:00
robert_ancellI think we've made the right choice not pushing ahead with GNOME3 in natty.  The changes are really good, but there's just too many of them00:00
seb128but until then we should make gtk3 use in natty in hold00:00
seb128which we sort of did already00:00
robert_ancellThere's also a lot of layout changes in GTK3 that seem to be causing bugs.00:00
seb128yeah00:00
seb128I think the current way is the best one00:01
seb128we can work in the ppa easily, we don't need to block on freezes00:01
seb128and we don't risk natty stability00:01
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, oh, I just re-read that empathy issue - yes, webkit needs a patch and rebuild  - I'll do that00:02
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, thanks.  Sorry to add to your long list.00:02
bcurtiswxif only i could figure out my bzr issue00:02
seb128robert_ancell, ok, I think I cleaned my list of things I wanted to talked about00:02
robert_ancellseb128, get some sleep!! :)00:03
seb128do you have anything you want to talk about before I leave?00:03
seb128;-)00:03
robert_ancellseb128, nope, I'm good00:03
seb128ok00:03
seb128I think you have enough to keep you busy00:03
seb128I will probably be online tomorrow or thursday evening00:03
seb128just to catch up before holidays00:03
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, what is your LP login?00:04
seb128bye00:04
robert_ancellbye00:04
bcurtiswxbcurtiswx00:04
bcurtiswxwhat used to happen was that i'd bzr get and an authentication GUI would pop up asking for my password00:07
bcurtiswxnow it just hangs where that GUI would have come up00:08
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, sorry I have been meaning to find out how that stack works but I don't know enough about it :(00:11
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, not a problem.  my issue is an open one for anyone who may know.00:12
TheMusoThats an ssh agent of some sort, not sure what provides it in maverick/natty etc.00:12
bcurtiswxTheMuso, do you know what _might_ provide it ?00:14
TheMusoNo, but examining the xxh agent script in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d directory may point you in the right direction.00:15
TheMusossh agent even00:15
bcurtiswxTheMuso, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543844/00:17
bcurtiswxi see an ssh-agent2 but there is none in /usr/bin00:18
TheMusossh-agent is part of the openssh-client package00:18
TheMusoand I also have ssh-askpass-gnome installed00:19
bcurtiswxyeah all installed and match versions00:22
bcurtiswxfrom rmadison00:22
bcurtiswxTheMuso, do you know if there's a way to turn this off?00:27
TheMusoNo I don't.00:28
bcurtiswxTheMuso, thanks for your help.00:28
TheMusono problem.00:28
kevin__hello01:28
kevin__What is the difference between the ubuntu dvd iso and the regular live-cd?01:28
bcurtiswxunset SSH_AUTH_SOCK   that fixed my problem01:41
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543866/ i've disabled nautilus-sendto for now and came across that in the build02:05
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, uh, the 31 patch needs updating02:09
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, is there a resource that would help me find the fixes ?02:12
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, not that I know of.  The GDK documentation says what to replace GDK_DISPLAY with.  And aside from that the other change is GdkDrawable doesn't exist anymore (it's now all GdkWindow)02:16
robert_ancellthere are similar patches for the other packages in GNOME3 that you could look at02:16
bcurtiswxknow onw off the top of your head?02:16
bcurtiswxone*02:16
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, where is the GDK documentation ?02:18
bcurtiswxi googled, but idk what to look for exactly02:18
robert_ancellhttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-X-Window-System-Interaction.html02:19
robert_ancellThe short answer is, replace GDK_DISPLAY() with gdk_display_get_default()02:20
robert_ancellgdk_x11_drawable_get_xdisplay() with gdk_x11_window_get_xid()02:21
robert_ancellGDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() with gdk_x11_window_get_xid()02:22
robert_ancelland GtkWindow->window with gtk_window_get_window()02:22
bcurtiswxim amazed at how fast you just did that.. i was just finishing up the first one02:22
robert_ancellI mean gtk_widget_get_window()02:22
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, that last one did you mean GtkWidget02:34
robert_ancellyes, sorry02:34
bcurtiswxI see (GTK_WIDGET (window)->window)02:34
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bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, ^^ i don't see anything in that guide about GDK_WIDGET02:36
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, you have to access window through the gtk_widget_get_window method now02:37
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, remove that entire segement of code above? or just part of it02:37
bcurtiswxreplace*02:37
robert_ancelli.e. GTK_WIDGET (window)->window becomes gtk_widget_get_window (GTK_WIDGET (window))02:38
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE  to gdk_window_?is_visible ()02:54
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE  to gdk_window_is_visible ()  ?02:54
cyphermoxbcurtiswx, isn't it gtk_widget_get_visible() ?02:55
bcurtiswxcyphermox, idk how to find exactly what it is02:56
cyphermoxbcurtiswx, I just google or run straight to library.gnome.org: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.21/GtkWidget.html#GTK-WIDGET-VISIBLE:CAPS02:56
cyphermoxfortunately, I did some of this recently in synaptic :)02:56
bcurtiswxGTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE (priv->window); to gtk_widget_get_visible(priv->window); ?02:57
cyphermoxbcurtiswx, likely. is priv->window a GtkWidget?02:57
* bcurtiswx would not know at all, how would i02:59
cyphermoxbcurtiswx, ok, check for a definition of whatever priv is in the current function, then the definition for that struct around the top of the file usually (or in the .h file), to know what window happens to be... though I would guess it is a widget03:01
bcurtiswxcyphermox, EmpathyStatusIconPriv *priv = GET_PRIV (icon);03:02
cyphermoxbcurtiswx, great. is a EmpathyStatusIconPriv defined somewhere?03:03
bcurtiswxcyphermox, G_DEFINE_TYPE (EmpathyStatusIcon, empathy_status_icon, G_TYPE_OBJECT); ??03:06
bcurtiswxwait nvm.. forgot the priv03:07
cyphermoxwell, no need to look03:07
cyphermoxpriv->window seems to me like it's a GtkWindow03:08
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543888/ im going to assume this is some dep we need to add or bump ?03:19
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, it looks like empathy-indicator hasn't been properly added into the Makefile.am03:22
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543894/ <--affected patchfile03:29
bcurtiswxi can't say I'd have any idea on whats wrong03:30
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, im going to head out.  did you want me to do anything with my changes?03:40
bcurtiswxits not finished, but the fixes i've made so far03:41
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, just push them to bzr03:41
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, my own branch?03:41
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, yes, for now.  If you merged with the other branch then do a merge request03:42
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, oh, i see the problem03:43
bcurtiswxOK, I can make the fix before i go03:44
robert_ancellyou also need to add empathy-indicator to empahthy_chat_SOURCES - it must be new03:44
robert_ancelland probably empathy-indicator-manager.[ch] too03:45
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, what to where? im confused03:45
psusiI have a bug with the login sound not playing correctly.. is that something that ubuntu-desktop should be subscribed to?03:46
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, in the Makefile.am part of the patch it adds the new empathy indicator files to empathy_handwritten_sources, but they should also be added to empathy_chat_SOURCES03:46
robert_ancellpsusi, sure03:46
psusiok03:47
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, is that a new section like empathy_handwritten_source ?03:48
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, so I suspect you have to copy empathy_handwritten_source += empathy-indicator-manager.c ... and add empathy_chat_SOURCES += empathy-indicator-manager.c ...03:50
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, OK, will do03:50
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, no else added?03:52
robert_ancellI don't think so, but I'm not sure what empathy-chat is03:53
bcurtiswxOK, i'll build now see if i get same error03:53
bcurtiswxpatch applied OK, at least i know my patch edits03:54
psusiis there a good channel to talk about pulseaudio in?  or is this it?  it looks like startup applications both runs a program to initialize pulse audio, and another to play the login sound... and so the former may not yet be ready for the latter to play sound03:57
bcurtiswxpsusi, #pulseaudio03:57
hallyn_yay, latest natty update may hae fixed my netbook compiz config woes.  i was actually able to log in without having to do 'unity --reset' :)03:58
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/543896/ is the fail.. but i gotta go.   if you get a chance to look if you want to e-mail me the direction to go with that i'll work on that tomorrow04:00
robert_ancellbcurtiswx, ok, cya later04:00
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, thanks for everything04:01
bcurtiswxgoodnight everyone04:01
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pittiGood morning07:41
pittibryceh: I can add a check there, but this will hit you just the same with software-center and update-manager, I guess?07:41
asacmvo: was it ever discussed to install already downloaded packages while download is still proceeding? i assume so ... too hard to do? or just not much benefit?08:06
pittiyou'd need to sort the downloads per the dependency tree08:11
pittiwould be kinda cool, though :)08:11
mvoasac: yes, discussed a bunch times, medium hard with aptdaemon, hard with libapt itself08:19
mvoasac: a bunch of times08:19
* pitti really misses the system monitor now08:20
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asacmvo: ok thanks. so no priority it seems.08:28
mvoasac: well, yes and no, we don't have anyone working on it and no free resources08:28
mvoasac: but if you have someone in your team …08:28
asacheh08:29
asacunlikely08:29
asacwas just my personal annoyance about long running dist-upgrades for now08:29
mvoyeah08:30
mvoasac: I have some code for this, but its very premature/experimental08:31
asacawesome. good to know that there is innovation on this front08:32
pittiwget -O- archive.u.c. | tar xz; easy :)08:38
mvodebs are overrated anyway!08:46
pittimvo: yeah, what could *possibly* go wrong with above!?08:48
* pitti hugs mvo08:48
pittipython-libindicate! it's all your fault!08:48
pitti"Depends: libpython2.6"08:49
* mvo hugs pitti08:50
pittikenvandine: would you mind if we change ~indicator-applet-developers/libindicate/ubuntu to ~ubuntu-desktop?08:51
pittikenvandine: I'll try to fix above dependency now (it's keeping python2.6 on the CDs)08:51
pittiah, seems that's a relic from an earlier Debian merge08:53
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seb128hey08:58
pittihey seb128, bonjour08:58
seb128hey pitti, guten tag08:58
seb128wie geht's? ;-)08:58
pittislightly better, thanks08:58
seb128great08:58
pittiand CDs look better, too :) i386: +5 MB, amd64: +1508:59
pitti(oversizedness)08:59
* seb128 jump into the cockpit today08:59
pittiand alternates are in limit08:59
seb128nice08:59
pittiseb128: ooh, happy piloting08:59
seb128thanks ;-)08:59
pittiseb128: I'm fixing libindicate now (drop libpython2.6 dependency, and fixing the GIR build); was that already discussed by any chance?08:59
seb128pitti, what is broken? ken did an upload yesterday09:00
pittiseb128: g-ir-scanner: link: libtool --mode=link --tag=CC --silent gcc -o /home/martin/ubuntu/libindicate/libindicate-gtk/tmp-introspectgLOLL4/Indicate-0.2 -export-dynamic -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2 -L. -lindicate-gtk -pthread -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lglib-2.0 /home/martin/ubuntu/libindicate/libindicate-gtk/tmp-introspectgLOLL4/Indicate-0.2.o09:00
pittiERROR: can't resolve libraries to shared libraries: indicate-gtk09:00
pittiseb128: that, and it depends on libpython2.609:01
pittiseb128: that keeps python2.6 on the CDs09:01
seb128weird09:01
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicate/0.4.4-0ubuntu609:01
pittiI think I know how to fix the latter09:01
seb128it built on the buildds this week09:01
pittiooh09:01
pittiargh09:01
pittilibindicate (0.4.4-0ubuntu2~ppa1) maverick; urgency=low09:01
seb128nobody talked about the libpython issue09:01
pittiseems we abandoned ~indicator-applet-developers/libindicate/ubuntu ?09:01
pittiseb128: right, that one seems easy to fix09:02
seb128right, all the dx sources are in lp:ubuntu09:02
pittiseb128: I thought we wanted to keep branching from trunk09:02
seb128which is mirrored to ubuntu-desktop vcs I think09:02
* pitti will drop teh Vcs-Bzr then09:02
seb128james_w did the magic for us09:02
pittinice!09:02
seb128he made lp:ubuntu use the ubuntu-desktop vcs not the auto imports09:02
seb128pitti, it has been this way for over a year for indicators09:03
pittiseb128: hm, but lp:ubuntu/libindicate is an auto-import branch09:03
seb128gra09:03
seb128so maybe we miss some :-(09:03
pittiVcs-Bzr! Vcs-Bzr!09:03
seb128pitti, try ~ubuntu-desktop/libindicate/ubuntu09:03
pittiseb128: that's missing the latest upload, but I can commit that manually09:04
pittiseb128: kenvandine did a manual commit to lp:ubuntu/libindicate for ubuntu609:04
seb128ok, I guess kenvandine forgot to push09:04
seb128lol09:05
seb128yeah for confusion09:05
pittino, I think he fell into the same trap as me09:05
pittiseb128: ok, I'll use ~ubuntu-desktop, fix Vcs-Bzr, and commit ubuntu609:05
seb128kenvandine is maintaining those though, he should know better :p09:05
seb128pitti, sounds great, thanks!09:05
pittikenvandine: ^ FYI09:06
mvoseb128: the nautilus case from yesterday is fixed now too btw09:20
seb128mvo, nautilus not being listed? or the stacktrace?09:21
mvoseb128: not being listed (or rather only as a technical item)09:21
mvoseb128: the stacktrace is next09:21
seb128mvo, great09:37
seb128pitti, could you review pidgin in the lucid sru queue?09:37
seb128pitti, icq is broken on lucid for some weeks, we sort of lagged behind on that, would be nice to get that moving to resolution09:38
pittiyep, will do09:38
seb128thanks!09:39
* korben greets all10:12
repetemvo, ping10:16
repetemvo, alright to do a call right now?10:16
repetemvo, if so, what number shall we call?10:16
mvorepete: see /msg10:22
repetemvo, thx10:23
seb128mvo, s-c hates me :-(10:25
pittilibindicate hates me ..10:34
seb128pitti, how so?10:36
pittibuilding from trunk behaves completely different than building from the ubuntu package10:36
pittiand autoconf hates me while I'm fixing bug 69055510:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 690555 in libindicate "Don't force Python 2.6 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69055510:36
pittiWhat the effing bloodly hell -- I have wasted 1.5 hours now, why can't I use "... | grep" in a configure.ac script??11:10
seb128pitti, try asking Keybuk or cjwatson I guess11:11
cjwatsonhm?  | grep should work fine11:14
pittiI really don't get it11:14
cjwatsoncan I have a source tree showing the bug?11:14
pittiecho "Python 2.6.6" | grep -o '[0-9]\.[0-9]'11:15
pittiworks just fine11:15
pittiPYTHONVER=`${PYTHON:-python} --version 2>&1 | grep -o '[0-9]\.[0-9]'`11:15
cjwatsonyou know about [ ] escaping in autoconf?11:15
pittithat just gives me an empty result11:15
pittieven just putting above echo | grep into configure.ac (which lands unaltered in configure) gives me an empty grep result11:15
pittiI already tried strace, type, etc.11:15
cjwatsontry replacing [ with @<:@ and ] with @:>@11:15
pittiuh11:15
cjwatsoninfo autoconf Quadrigraphs11:15
pitticjwatson: ah, thanks; that drove me mad11:16
pitticjwatson: I actually resorted to11:16
pittiPYTHONVER=`${PYTHON:-python} --version 2>&1`11:16
pittiPYTHONVER=${PYTHONVER# *}11:16
pittiPYTHONVER=${PYTHONVER# *}11:16
pittinow11:16
cjwatsonthough can't you use AM_PYTHON_CHECK_VERSION and such?11:16
pittierm11:16
pittiPYTHONVER=${PYTHONVER# *}11:16
pittiPYTHONVER=${PYTHONVER% *}11:16
cjwatson/usr/share/aclocal-1.11/python.m4 should be useful ...11:17
pitticjwatson: I need to call python<version>-config with stuff11:17
cjwatsonit gets the python version number like this:11:18
cjwatson  AC_CACHE_CHECK([for $am_display_PYTHON version], [am_cv_python_version],11:18
cjwatson    [am_cv_python_version=`$PYTHON -c "import sys; sys.stdout.write(sys.version[[:3]])"`])11:18
cjwatsonwhich should work for you too11:18
pitticjwatson: ah, many thanks11:19
seb128pitti, I guess use AM_PATH_PYTHON and then $PYTHON_VERSION?11:21
pittiseb128: that'd need m4/python.m4, right?11:21
seb128pitti, right, but that's part of automake1.n11:22
seb128so that should not been an issue11:22
seb128pitti, that seems what GNOME sources do11:23
seb128pitti, libindicate already used AM_PATH_PYTHON11:25
seb128pitti, so you can use $PYTHON_VERSION11:25
seb128$ grep PYTHON_VERSION config.log11:26
seb128PYTHON_VERSION='2.7'11:26
seb128pitti, in a libindicate build11:26
pittiseb128: that works indeed; thanks!11:26
seb128you're welcome11:27
chrisccoulsondoes compiz store it's setting anywhere other than gconf? i could really do with resetting my profile :/11:34
chrisccoulsonsince yesterday, it crashes on startup and the animations are really jerky11:34
seb128chrisccoulson, unity profile?11:41
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i have the unity profile selected (and i tried getting rid of my compiz profile yesterday after i messed around with it), but everything is really choppy still11:42
chrisccoulsonespecially moving windows11:42
seb128chrisccoulson, unity --reset11:42
chrisccoulsonah, i didn't know that existed ;)11:42
seb128it does reset the profile for you11:42
seb128that's quite new11:42
chrisccoulsonhmmm, it's still quite slow. i'll try rebooting in a minute though11:43
ftapitti, hi, did you have chance to look at the dbgsym corrupted index?11:58
pittifta: not yet, sorry; last week was nothing but firefighting, still catching up11:59
pittiI'm flushing SRUs now, then I can get back to my bugs12:00
ftapitti, ok, thanks12:00
Amaranthchrisccoulson: I imagine the problem started for you right around the time your 0.8 profile was imported12:12
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* bcurtiswx waves to room13:42
kenvandineseb128, I didn't push the branch?  ugh... sorry13:53
pittikenvandine: you did commit, but into the lp:ubuntu/ one13:56
pittikenvandine: I update the ~ubuntu-desktop one now (including vcs-bzr:, which was pointing at an ancient one), but at some point we need to make up our minds which one to use, I guess :)13:57
kenvandinepitti, yeah... we really need to13:57
kenvandineit is confusing having a mix13:58
kenvandinepitti, so you fixed it already?13:58
pittikenvandine: as I said, I committed ubuntu6 into ~ubuntu-desktop, and then added my ubuntu7 upload there as well13:58
kenvandineok13:59
kenvandinejust making sure :)13:59
pittikenvandine: seb128 said that james_w applied some magic to have lp:ubuntu/... point at our ~ubuntu-desktop brnches, but apparently not that one13:59
pittiperhaps because the vcs-bzr was wrong, and he didn't see it?13:59
kenvandinemaybe13:59
kenvandinewhat was it set to?13:59
james_wpitti, I didn't do a bulk update14:00
kenvandinei think as we asked :)14:00
james_wI think so14:00
james_wI'd like to help you, I'm just a bit snowed under right now14:01
james_wfiguratively and literally :-)14:01
kenvandineoh... ~i-a-d14:01
kenvandinehehe14:01
james_wif you could led me know what you would like to happen then I'll take care of it14:01
seb128hey james_w14:02
seb128how are you?14:02
seb128busy it seems ;-)14:02
kenvandinesome of those changes keep coming back in tedg's merges14:02
james_whey seb12814:02
kenvandinejames_w, pkgme looks very interesting14:02
james_wgood thanks, how are you?14:03
seb128I'm fine thanks14:03
joaopintoare there special requirements for a PNG image used in an appindicator custom icon ?14:09
seb128joaopinto, should not14:10
joaopinto/usr/share/tacacsaclient-gtk/ui/regular_tray.png: PNG image, 32 x 32, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced14:10
joaopintoand I just get a missing image icon14:10
joaopintothe indicator menu works fine14:10
seb128kenvandine, ^ do you have any clue?14:10
joaopinto            ind = appindicator.Indicator("tacacs-auth-client", "/usr/share/tacacsaclient-gtk/ui/regular_tray.png", appindicator.CATEGORY_APPLICATION_STATUS)14:11
kenvandinehumm14:11
kenvandinei think it needs to be smaller14:11
kenvandinebut14:11
joaopinto20x20 ?14:11
kenvandinei wouldn't think you would get a missing image14:11
kenvandine22x2214:11
kenvandinei think14:11
kenvandineoh... and it might not take a full patch14:11
joaopintouff, I will need to create new icons for appindicator :P14:11
kenvandines/patch/path14:12
kenvandinei could be wrong :)14:12
joaopintoI have read on some blog that a full path was required to use a custom icon, otherwise it would use a theme icon14:12
kenvandineok14:12
kenvandinethat is good then14:12
kenvandinei know it uses the theme, so providing a hicolor one is usually good14:13
kenvandinelet me test here14:13
joaopinto22x22 did not help :(14:15
nisshhkenvandine, my app uses a 24x24 and it works fine14:16
kenvandineyeah, 32 works too14:17
kenvandineand setting the full path14:17
kenvandineoh14:17
kenvandinejoaopinto, did you set it to active?14:17
kenvandine ind.set_status (appindicator.STATUS_ACTIVE)14:17
kenvandinejoaopinto, without that, it doesn't display the indicator14:18
kenvandineit defaults to STATUS_PASSIVE14:18
kenvandinewhich isn't displayed14:18
joaopinto            ind.set_status(appindicator.STATUS_ACTIVE)14:18
joaopinto            ind.set_attention_icon("regular_tray.png")14:18
kenvandine:q:q14:18
joaopintohum, maybe is this second set_attention_icon ?14:18
joaopintowhich is breaking the icon ?14:18
joaopintonope, was not it14:19
joaopintohttp://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3369/regulartray.png <- I am using this14:19
kenvandinetry removing that set_attention_icon14:20
kenvandinejust to see14:20
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joaopintoI am getting http://img2.imagebanana.com/img/l2exr5b4/Seleco_001.png, left is appindicator, right is the gtk.StatusIcon14:21
kenvandinewell you set_attention_icon must not be found14:22
kenvandineadd a full path for that14:22
nisshhyeah14:22
nisshhthat might be it14:22
joaopintoI have removed the set_attention*14:22
joaopintowell, let me try from a clean minimal code14:23
nisshhjoaopinto, add it back in and add the full path14:23
nisshhdotn start over14:23
nisshhdont*14:23
joaopintostill broken14:24
nisshhdid you add the full path to set_attention_icon joaopinto?14:25
joaopintonisshh, yes, same result, missing image icon14:25
nisshhhmm14:25
kenvandinejoaopinto, try just not setting draw attention14:25
nisshhjoaopinto, is there anywhere else in your code where the full path is not used?14:25
kenvandinedoes it work then?14:26
joaopintokenvandine, no14:26
kenvandinehumm14:26
seb128kenvandine, could you review the patch on bug #619932?14:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 619932 in adium-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[UIFe] message timestamps are too verbose (affects: 17) (dups: 4) (heat: 108)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61993214:26
kenvandineworks here14:26
joaopintokenvandine, with my image ?14:26
kenvandineno... but let me try that14:26
nisshhjoaopinto, just to be sure, are you on 10.04 or 10.10?14:26
joaopinto10.0414:26
kenvandineseb128, i had, but i wanted input from design14:27
seb128kenvandine, can you make that happen?14:27
seb128ivanka, hey14:27
nisshhthere might have been some changes to appindicator in maverick14:27
seb128ivanka, ^ can you get someone to give design input on that bug14:27
nisshhkenvandine, could that be possible?14:27
kenvandinethat was something djseigel was going to do...14:27
kenvandinenisshh, very possible14:28
kenvandinein fact in 10.04 it might not have been possible to set a full path14:28
nisshhthats what im thinking too14:28
kenvandinei recall early on there be discussion about that14:28
nisshhi think it was a recent addition14:28
nisshhyeah14:28
seb128kenvandine, well, if we can't get design to comment just do what you think is right and wait for them to complain if they don't like it ;-)14:29
kenvandinelet me try his icon just to see14:29
nisshhok14:29
kenvandineseb128, will do!14:29
seb128thanks14:29
seb128or at least comment on the bug saying it's blocked on design input14:29
seb128the bug is sitting in the review queue14:29
joaopintouff, it will be hard to be forced to move to appindicator if it doesn't support custom icons :P14:30
seb128it does14:31
bcurtiswxseb128, I believe that http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60687500/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.brasero_2.91.3-0ubuntu1~build3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz isn't ubuntu's "fault" (as in none of our patches mess with that file).  What do I do?  File a bug upstream with the FTBFS ?14:32
nisshhjoaopinto, it does, its just a recent addition14:32
nisshhand its still a WIP14:32
seb128bcurtiswx, http://git.gnome.org/browse/brasero/commit/?id=a3b0605e2bc2e7f6262a43338f254d22d75f1b9014:33
seb128bcurtiswx, it's already fixed in git14:33
bcurtiswxmental note: check upstream git14:33
joaopintoright, but if it was not backported to lucid, it means I will have to keep legacy tray in the LTS, and appindicator on the current14:33
nisshhjoaopinto, why not upgrade to maverick and release for that?14:34
joaopintothis is an enterprise targeted app, LTS is the main userbase14:35
nisshhi see14:35
bcurtiswxseb128, so is policy to wait for the upstream fix or backport that commit ?14:35
kenvandinejoaopinto, your icon does work here14:35
joaopintoactually I am on maverick, but I would expect this to work on lucid14:35
kenvandinejoaopinto, let me check on lucid14:35
joaopintokenvandine, are you running natty ?14:35
kenvandineoh... it should really work on maverick14:35
kenvandinethat api hasn't changed since then14:35
joaopintoI am on maverick14:35
seb128bcurtiswx, no policy, you are welcome to backport the commit if you want14:35
nisshhi can check on maverick if you like14:36
kenvandinejoaopinto, sorry to ask a silly question, but you did confirm the path is right?14:36
nisshhif it isnt working on maverick for you there is something strange going on14:36
seb128kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu/natty/nfs-utils/1.2.2-4ubuntu1/+merge/4298414:37
seb128kenvandine, why do you need sponsoring? can't you just upload?14:37
joaopintofile /usr/share/tacacsaclient-gtk/ui/regular_tray.png14:37
joaopinto/usr/share/tacacsaclient-gtk/ui/regular_tray.png: PNG image, 32 x 32, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced14:37
kenvandinejoaopinto, can you try this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544057/14:37
joaopintocopy/paste from the code14:37
kenvandinejust change the path to the image14:37
bcurtiswxseb128, so backporting that commit would entail what? copying the commit from upstream, creating a patch file in brasero, and editing series to show the change ?14:37
seb128kenvandine, oh, ignore me, I just read the comment14:38
kenvandineseb128, :)14:38
kenvandineit looked good to me, just wanted someone more familiar to test it14:38
seb128bcurtiswx, indeed14:38
bcurtiswxseb128, OK.  How do I know what to number the patch ?14:39
seb128bcurtiswx, it doesn't matter14:40
seb128the order is made by the serie14:40
seb128no need of any number14:40
bcurtiswxbut it doesn't matter where I put it in the series ?14:40
joaopintokenvandine, it shows a missing icon here, according to strace there is no attempt to open the file14:41
joaopintoit just reads some /usr/share/themes/Radiance/gtk-2.0/apps/img/panel*14:41
kenvandineodd14:41
seb128bcurtiswx, no, as long as it applies14:42
kenvandinei am almost certain that api didn't change since maverick14:42
kenvandinejoaopinto, /usr/share/libindicator/icons/hicolor/32x32/status/indicator-messages.png14:42
kenvandinemake it use that icon14:42
kenvandinejust give it the full path14:42
joaopintosame result14:43
* kenvandine looks at the bzr history14:43
cyphermoxseb128, I'll get the patches for e-d-s backported soon, was just struggling with one of the bugs that didn't seem to have been fixed14:43
cyphermoxI think I just got it now... sad because it's really simple and didn't see it in > 5 hours debugging :/14:44
kenvandinejoaopinto, unless the python bindings are broken in maverick... ugh14:45
* kenvandine boots a maverick VM14:45
joaopintoeh :)14:45
james_wkenvandine, it would be great to have a GNOME backend for pkgme14:45
seb128cyphermox, ok, thanks for working on those14:46
kenvandinejames_w, indeed... i already have a project for the christmas break :)14:46
james_w\o/14:46
seb128joaopinto, it's normal that strace doesn't list it14:47
seb128joaopinto, it's the container that load the icon14:47
seb128unity or indicator-applet14:47
joaopintoah, good point14:48
seb128I've straced unity there14:48
seb128it loads it correctly14:48
seb128it shows correctly as well14:48
seb128but I'm on natty...14:48
joaopintowill there me some editable whitelist for gtk apps to use the notification area ? I could switch to app indicator later :P14:50
seb128joaopinto, it's not planned no14:51
joaopinto:(14:51
joaopintocan the app indicator icon be changed at runtime to a custom image ?14:59
pittidon't pretty much all the indicators have their own icon anyway?15:02
kenvandinejoaopinto, ok that appind.py script worked in my maverick VM15:03
seb128joaopinto, no reason it can't15:04
seb128pitti, btw could you review libsqlite?15:04
kenvandinejoaopinto, with your icon15:04
bcurtiswxseb128, OK it builds now.  I'm rebuilding with the changelog updated.  I'm allowed to dput into the gnome3-team/GNOME3 PPA now right?15:04
joaopintohum, so there is something wrong, it doesn't work here15:04
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pittiseb128: already done15:06
seb128pitti, thanks15:07
joaopintokenvandine, http://img2.imagebanana.com/img/b2cq77fi/Seleco_002.png15:08
kenvandinejoaopinto, ugh... that works here on maverick15:11
kenvandinejoaopinto, and if you just use the icon name, indicator-messages it works?15:14
joaopintoyes, it does15:14
kenvandinejoaopinto, sorry... i am out of ideas15:15
joaopintolet's see if I can figure how to strace notification-area-applet15:15
joaopintokenvandine, np, thanks anyway :)15:15
kenvandinemaybe someone in #ayatana15:15
kenvandinejoaopinto, good luck :)15:15
bcurtiswxin order to test my deb builds.  is there a way to make dpkg -i smart to look for build-dep probs in the current directory?15:15
bcurtiswxbuild-dep problem fixes*15:16
joaopintoUse dpkg-scanpackages to create a local repository :) ?15:17
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pittibcurtiswx: erm, dpkg -i installs a .deb, what does this have to do with build deps?15:17
bcurtiswxpitti, sorry bad wording.. so i've completed a bzr bd.. now i have all the new .deb files15:18
bcurtiswxpitti, if i don't go in the right order of installs with dpkg -i , it will complain that a package isn't being installed15:19
bcurtiswxthat it needs15:19
bcurtiswxcan i *.deb to fix that?15:19
pittibcurtiswx: dpkg -i doesn't care about the order of the .debs you specify15:19
pittiit'll do the right thing wrt. dependencies15:19
bcurtiswxpitti, OK thx15:19
pittiseb128: too bad that didrocks isn't online, he's on holiday already?15:22
seb128pitti, yes15:22
seb128why?15:22
seb128pitti, he will not come back before next year, he's moving to his new flat starting today15:23
pittiseb128: I finally switched to unity yesterday, and reset my configuration files to what I had in maverick15:23
seb128he has no internet15:23
pittiseb128: and I just wanted to say that it works marvellously well!15:23
seb128;-)15:23
pittimy keybindings work, it even kept my local autostarters15:23
pittiseb128: I have used unity for almost 24 hours no!15:23
pitti"now"15:23
seb128I'm getting used to it and like it now15:24
seb128the launcher is nice15:24
pittiI'm still missing my system monitor and gtimelog in the tray15:24
seb128like it brings the instance of the same application on screen when clicking on the icon15:25
pittibut otherwise I'm getting used to it15:25
seb128I've a gnome-panel running still for the menu and run command15:25
seb128I'm starting using the keyboard less15:25
seb128like I switch to applications on other workspaces with the launcher15:25
seb128where I used to use the keyboard ;-)15:26
pittiAlt+F2 is missing15:26
bcurtiswxseb128, 2.91.3-0ubuntu1~build3 now that i made changes would go to 2.91.3-0ubuntu2~build1 ?15:29
bcurtiswxpitti, ^^ am i right there?15:30
pittibcurtiswx: is that a PPA, or for ubuntu?15:30
bcurtiswxits the ~gnome3-team GNOME3 PPA15:31
pittibcurtiswx: I'm not sure, but I think it should be build415:31
pittii. e. the next regular Ubuntu upload would then be ubuntu215:31
pittioh, erm15:31
bcurtiswxpitti i tried that but got rejected Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed.15:32
pittiubuntu2~build1 would work fine with that, too15:32
pittibcurtiswx: that's unrelated; you must upload the source.changes, not the i386.changes15:32
bcurtiswxpitti, Ah OK.  bzr bd doesn't create a source.changes file.. do i need to do something with the .dsc file ?15:33
pittibcurtiswx: bzr bd -S15:33
bcurtiswxah ha.. thats what the -S is for15:34
* bcurtiswx learned something new15:34
bcurtiswxpitti, thanks15:34
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ftahm, i can't rebuild rhythmbox on natty: ayatana-plugin.c:8:26: fatal error: Indicate-0.2.h: No such file or directory16:35
seb128mterry, hey16:51
mterryseb128, hi16:51
seb128mterry, I just discovered that right click does what I want in the workspaces expose :pp16:52
seb128just mentionning it as an user workaround16:52
mterryseb128, :)16:52
seb128mterry, could you review bug #690688 btw?16:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 690688 in libgda4 (Ubuntu) "Please disable gobject-introspection (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69068816:52
seb128kenvandine, could you copy your comment from https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu/natty/nfs-utils/1.2.2-4ubuntu1/+merge/42984 on the bug and close the merge request?16:53
seb128kenvandine, it has merge conflicts so seems invalid16:53
kenvandinesure16:53
seb128thanks16:53
mterryseb128, sure16:54
bcurtiswxseb128, im trying to figure out what went wrong http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60688028/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.poppler_0.15.3-0ubuntu1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:55
bcurtiswxi have all gnome3-team/GNOME3 PPA ftbfs fixed except that one16:56
seb128mterry, thanks16:56
seb128bcurtiswx, not sure about this one16:57
seb128kenvandine, mterry, pitti: you know about ~gnome3-team?17:01
seb128https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team17:01
kenvandineno...17:01
mterryseb128, no, did not17:01
seb128https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team17:01
seb128ups17:01
seb128https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome317:01
mterryseb128, is that the new gnome3-builds?17:02
seb128https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome317:02
seb128grrr copy buggy17:02
seb128mterry, yes, robert_ancell did that yesterday17:02
seb128we decided we need to give access to the ppa without access to ubuntu17:02
kenvandineok17:02
seb128that should let rodrigo ricotz and others be able to work directly there17:02
seb128jcastro, ^17:03
* bcurtiswx has taken full advantage :)17:03
seb128bcurtiswx, thanks ;-)17:03
kenvandine:-D17:03
kenvandinebcurtiswx, keep rocking it!17:03
seb128bcurtiswx, great work fixing those builds!17:03
cyphermoxmdeslaur, I'm looking at bug 689771 trying to reproduce failure so I can test the upstream commit fixes it. Which gconf file exactly did you find the uri= entry in?17:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 689771 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "[natty] evolution addressbook migration failure (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68977117:03
bcurtiswxseb128, kenvandine, thx.  it just feels good to actually understand what's going on more and more as I learn17:04
seb128cyphermox, ^ as well17:04
cyphermoxseb128, regarding what?17:04
seb128cyphermox, gnome317:05
cyphermoxah, ok17:05
cyphermoxseb128, btw, managed to really fix the To/Cc buttons in evo, I'll put that patch in along with the backports17:05
seb128great17:06
bcurtiswxanyone have any idea on that poppler FTBFS ?17:07
cyphermoxoh cool, this also fixes the calendar issues17:07
seb128cyphermox, rock on!17:08
seb128bcurtiswx, it seems the symbols are different on amd6417:08
cyphermoxseb128, the only issue is, someone uploaded gdata 0.7, but e-d-s limits to 0.617:08
seb128not sure why17:08
cyphermoxso I ported that as well...17:08
seb128cyphermox, oh, it does?17:08
cyphermoxany idea why 0.7 was needed?17:08
seb128I though someone commented on a bug saying that some calendar features were off on 0.617:08
cyphermoxhaha ;)17:08
seb128<pitti>seb128: so for libgdata I'd like to update to 0.7.0, which fixes building the GIR; it's an ABI bump, though17:09
seb128cyphermox, the main reason was that 0.6 didn't build in natty17:09
cyphermox0.7 changed API slightly so upstream decided to block to 0.617:09
cyphermoxah, fair enough17:09
cyphermoxanyway, e-d-s builds and afaict the changes I made work17:09
seb128if you managed to port the code great17:09
cyphermoxit was two simple calls17:09
seb128the breakage was due to that?17:09
cyphermoxbreakage?17:13
seb128Cc crashing17:13
cyphermoxno, completely unrelated17:13
seb128ok17:13
cyphermoxCc/name selector crashing was due to trying to get a label from a GtkComboBox using the GtkComboBoxText apis17:14
bcurtiswxseb128, does the GNOME3-team PPA use the old GNOME3 PPA as a repository ?17:20
seb128bcurtiswx, no17:22
bcurtiswxseb128, should we, or just build the old PPA packages for the new PPA ?17:23
seb128bcurtiswx, oh, I get what you mean now17:25
seb128bcurtiswx, we can ppa copy sources if needed17:26
bcurtiswxthe current build needs gnome-settings-daemon-dev >=2.91.017:27
bcurtiswxits in the old PPA17:27
bcurtiswxseb128, is that something you would have to do ?17:33
seb128bcurtiswx, I will sort it in a bit, I either need to copy things across the ppa or add a dependency17:35
bcurtiswxseb128, OK, thx :)17:35
jcastroseb128: ok all that leaves is banshee for xmas?17:36
pitticyphermox: nice! so your local evo works again? with the natty version I just get a crash when trying to access a google cal17:36
pittiseb128: thanks for the heads-up for g3-team17:36
seb128jcastro, what about banshee?17:38
cyphermoxpitti, right, things look fine. there may be some more work to do though, but I just checked I could load google contacts, update them, and see it shows up back in Gmail17:38
jcastroseb128: when is it going in?17:40
jcastroseb128: have the MIRs been taking this long?17:40
Laneywe should wait for 1.9.1 which is out today17:40
seb128jcastro, yes, the mir are not sorted yet17:40
jcastroLaney: I just saw the announcement which is what reminded me17:41
Laneyi propose we drop libkarma if there can be agreement that if and when the packaging is fixed up then it can be added back in17:41
seb128jcastro, mterry has been helping on those but still some are to do17:41
seb128jcastro, check with doko17:41
jcastrook17:41
Laneyand then it's just a trivial copyright fix17:41
seb128he just sent an email today to say to not pre-promote17:41
seb128so we are blocked on mir review17:42
cdbsseb128: BTW, the latest compiz/unity upload fixes my problem17:42
seb128cdbs, great17:42
Laneymterry: infact, do you think they keyfile# missing copyright attribution you found is a blocker?17:42
Laneyif so then we'll have to do an upload for just that...17:42
mterryLaney, my understanding is that incorrect copyright files were generally MIR blockers, but doko or another MIR person can correct me on that17:43
Laneyit was a nice catch though17:43
Laneyshame on the ftp masters :)17:44
* mterry looks forward to when all copyrights are checked automatically by tools17:44
Laneymmm17:45
ari-tczewseb128: I suggest to complete patch in DEP3 tags, use full name of author in debian/changelog and better description of change. what do you think? bug 68558417:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 685584 in amule (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "amule FTBFS with gcc 4.5 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68558417:47
seb128ari-tczew, I've been saying that to the patch submitter in query already17:49
seb128he pinged me about it17:49
ari-tczewseb128: issues should be commented in bug17:50
seb128ari-tczew, well he's working on an updated debdiff assigning those17:51
ari-tczewseb128: ok17:52
seb128addressing rather17:52
seb128I did put the bug in progress for a reason17:52
seb128but thanks for checking ;-)17:52
ari-tczewnp17:53
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cdbsseb128: As for that problem, it just happened again. BUt the discovery I made is that it occurs only when nm-applet is made to autoconnect to my WiFi, and if the autoconnect happens before compiz starts, compiz segfaults. But if it connects AFTER the thing, then everything goes on fine. My solution is to disable autoconnect19:02
* cdbs files a bug19:02
pittigood night all!19:04
pittiI'm on holiday from tomorrow on, so please email me for urgent things19:05
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seb128cdbs, ok19:41
joaopintokenvandine, that appind.py custom icon also works fine on my 64 bits partition, it's definitively a bug specific to the other partition config19:41
kenvandinejoaopinto, interesting19:42
seb128joaopinto, does it happen with another user on the same box?19:46
joaopintoseb128, didn't try, this is on the same box but using another user / root partition19:47
seb128ok19:47
joaopintoi'll reboot and test19:47
kenvandinewonder if it is maybe theme related19:47
seb128kenvandine, would be weird19:48
kenvandineyeah, but i have seen weirder things19:48
kenvandinei know it does some checking for icons and fallbacks19:49
kenvandinei am trying to make the dbus-test-runner package run it's tests at build time, but it's hanging19:50
seb128:-(19:50
kenvandineguess i need to see how ted gets around that in dbusmenu19:50
kenvandinei know there is some magic19:50
kenvandinei am going to get it uploaded today, at least it will end up in universe19:51
seb128ok19:51
kenvandinethen we can request mir for it, bustle, and what ever else bustle might need19:51
kenvandinebefore turning all that on in dbusmenu19:51
joaopintoseb128, good hint, it's user specific19:57
seb128bbl20:02
joaopintoit's odd, both users can read the file20:04
kenvandinejoaopinto, are they both using the same theme?20:10
kenvandinewondering if there is a bug related to the theme icon lookup and fallback20:11
kenvandinelong shot though20:11
kenvandineit would be a strange bug20:11
joaopintokenvandine, yes, both using Radiance20:33
bcurtiswxjoaopinto, but are they both using the same icon theme20:33
joaopintoI don't usually change that, where is set ? I don't see any icon themes on the appeareances app20:34
bcurtiswxjoaopinto, i believe you can customize your theme and in there see which icon theme you're using20:35
joaopintoright, let me check20:37
joaopintonope, setting the global theme also changes the icon theme, they are both set to Ubuntu Mono Light20:44
joaopintohum, I don't have the messaging indicator on the affected user20:50
joaopintoI don't remember how it was removed20:51
joaopintooh boy, I feel so dumb :(20:54
joaopintoI didn't had the indicator applet on the panel20:54
joaopintostill it's odd that it shows a missing image icon20:56
bcurtiswxsomeone care to test the following: open a PDF in evince.  On the top there's a folder icon that says "show the folder that contains this file", click it and see if you get a permission denied error20:59
bcurtiswxin natty20:59
joaopintothe proper way to change the indicato icon is set_attention_icon ?21:04
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mterryseb128, anyone else working on webkit for gtk3?  I can give it a go if not21:27
seb128mterry, it's in the gnome3 ppa for a month or so21:27
mterryseb128, wait what?  I didn't notice it.  :-/  Good thing I asked.  :)21:27
seb128;-)21:28
mterryseb128, oh right, because I was checking new-style gnome3 ppa21:28
mterryI'll just copy it over then21:28
seb128thanks21:28
seb128we should probably just copy the missing sources and clean the other ppa21:28
seb128we can keep the maverick builds in ubuntu-desktop21:29
seb128we probably want an "official" standard for those21:29
seb128since they target stable serie users21:29
ScislaCIs nautilus constantly invisibly relaunching in either the Classic or Unity Desktops on Natty a known issue?21:31
seb128no but seems like it's crashing for you21:32
seb128can you attach gdb to it or enable apport to get a stacktrace?21:32
ScislaCseb128: Which would be preferred?21:33
seb128either21:33
seb128well apport crash file are auto retraced so could be easier21:33
ScislaCseb128: hmmm... let me see if I can get nautilus to manually crash w/ gdb (I'm logged into kde at the moment because of overheating issues in Unity & Classic)21:35
seb128ScislaC, try running nautilus there and see if it starts21:35
ScislaCseb128: I tried launching from a terminal, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544199/21:37
bcurtiswxseb128, im wondering, since gnome-bluetooth has 2.91.2.is.2.91.2 shouldn't that allow for the remove of the .is and before ?21:37
seb128bcurtiswx, you mean?21:38
seb128ScislaC, seems a ground control issue21:39
seb128can you try to uninstall that?21:39
bcurtiswxi guess its a question about epochs (sp?), will you ever be able to make the version on gnome-bluetooth 2.91.2-0ubuntu1 or will you always have to tag on the 2.91.2.is.2.91.221:39
seb128bcurtiswx, we will be able to do 2.91.321:39
bcurtiswxseb128, ah so it has to one up it, not just equal it.. Thx :)21:40
seb128bcurtiswx, but we can't go back to 2.91.2 and don't want to add an epoch over debian just for one upload21:40
ScislaCseb128: sure, I can try that... I have a bt too if you want that http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544201/21:40
seb128ScislaC, seems a python or nautilus-python or gc issue21:40
ScislaCseb128: after uninstalling it we now have nautilus running21:42
seb128ScislaC, ok great21:42
ScislaCseb128: thanks for your help21:42
seb128that's not a fix but at least you get your nautilus back21:42
seb128you're welcome21:42
ScislaCoff to LP to see if anything is filed against groundcontrol yet21:42
Amaranthbcurtiswx: 2.91.2 < 2.91.2.is.2.91.221:48
Amaranthoops, that was a few minutes ago21:48
bcurtiswxAmaranth, i get it now.. Thanks though :)21:52
bcurtiswxkenvandine, somehow the indicator area is screwey.  the menu for apps hides behind windows.. and i can't get the right click menu.. it acts as a left click23:10
bcurtiswxkenvandine, hmm, seems not to be limited to the indicator menu.. all gtkmenu items23:22
Amaranthbcurtiswx: All the indicators treat left and right click the same, afaik that was one of the main design goals23:38
bcurtiswxAmaranth, so how do I get to an "about" section or in case i forget which is which to find out the name of it ?23:38
Amaranthbcurtiswx: File a bug to get About added to the menu23:39
AmaranthOtherwise you don't, there is no right click menu23:39
bcurtiswxAmaranth, thx :)23:39
AmaranthI see nm-applet has an about option23:40
AmaranthI guess applications may want to have an About menu item but the basic indicators shouldn't imo23:40
bcurtiswxif anything a tooltip to distinguish one from another23:41
seb128no and no23:41
bcurtiswxok then, :) hi seb12823:41
seb128why users would care so much knowing about the indicator names?23:41
bcurtiswxseb128, i don't know either way23:42
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