[01:02] <karora> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2
[01:03] <karora> That's just awesome :-)
[01:06] <ajmitch> amusing
[01:07]  * karora is really curious about how many eyeballs are going over the OpenBSD networking code right now...
[01:11] <ojwb> and now, openbsdleaks
[01:14] <ojwb> if they really tried to get backdoors into openbsd code, it's a pretty safe bet they've got backdoors into windows
[01:15] <ibeardslee> and mac
[01:16] <ojwb> indeed
[01:16] <ibeardslee> if it is true .. that is so scarey
[01:16] <ojwb> widespread use of strong crypto is quite scary if you're the fbi
[01:31] <thumper> heh
[01:35] <mwhudson> mmm
[01:35] <mwhudson> seems just a little too closer to a security wonks wet drea^W^Wparanoid fantasy to ring true to me
[02:09] <snail> karora: reading that email, i suspect that the first email has been cleverly forged by someone who knows Theo's buttons are
[02:10] <snail> but it's not a bad thing if it encourages a few dozen people to pore over the code in question
[02:14] <ojwb> if it is forged, the "sender" probably isn't going to be too happy
[02:15] <ojwb> even if they deny having sent it, a significant number of people won't believe them
[02:18] <mwhudson> on thinking about it
[02:18] <mwhudson> "My NDA with the FBI has recently expired" doesn't seem very likely
[02:19] <ojwb> yeah, i wondered about that
[02:20] <ojwb> some NDAs probably do expire, but it seems an unlikely clause to put in if you're funding backdoors getting put in software
[02:24] <snail> ojwb: commercial NDAs expire, but the NDA that i signed when I joined trimble was based on the USA DoD one (because they do/did DoD work), and it was non-terminating
[02:31] <snail> any ex-VUW people who're interested in what's happening in the quad these days: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251834&id=577341636&l=a8a320836e
[02:32] <karora> Other people will be better placed to ascertain the truth of that e-mail, but it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility to me.
[02:34] <ojwb> i could easily believe either
[02:34] <ojwb> or indeed both (that the FBI paid to get a backdoor added, but that the mail is a forgery)
[02:34] <mwhudson> heh
[02:34] <snail> the core talent of a good troll is knowing how to keep things just within the realm of possibility
[02:34] <mwhudson> that would have a certain irony
[02:35] <ojwb> one of the people dropped in it by the mail has denied any FBI connections
[02:35] <ojwb> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129237981610360&w=2
[02:36] <mwhudson> of course he would say that!
[02:36]  * mwhudson gets the popcorn
[02:36] <snail> or that the FBI planted a fake email to deprive wikileaks of technical resource in the short term
[02:37] <ajmitch> all so very amusing:)
[02:37] <ojwb> do wikileaks rely on ipsec VPNs?
[02:37] <snail> ojwb: who knows?
[02:37] <ojwb> the fbi?
[02:39] <snail> interesting phrase: "affiliated with or employed by the FBI" surely you're affiliated or employed by a front company, not directly by the FBI?
[02:39]  * snail knows very little of the details here
[02:40] <ojwb> the next two sentences suggest that's not a deliberate loop hole in though
[02:43] <Atamira> eeepp..talking
[02:43] <Atamira> actual talking
[02:44] <ojwb> morning
[02:44] <Atamira> afternoon
[02:44] <Atamira> its stinking hot
[02:44] <hads> Sure is
[02:44] <snail> Atamira: technically typing ...
[02:44] <Atamira> snail, :P
[02:44]  * mwhudson is reminded of http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2010/05/10/100510crat_atlarge_gladwell?currentPage=all
[02:48] <Atamira> ewww..garlic flavoured chocolate
[02:48] <mwhudson> (which is an extremely fun read in any case)
[02:51] <Atamira> yea..could be a book
[02:51] <Atamira> or even a play
[02:52] <mwhudson> it's in Cryptonomicon
[02:52] <Atamira> its in what?
[02:53] <Atamira> ahh
[02:53] <mwhudson> a book by neal stephenson
[02:53] <Atamira> gotta love google
[02:53]  * ajmitch should probably read that
[02:53] <ajmitch> I bought it a little while ago & intended to read it :)
[02:54] <mwhudson> it's fun
[02:54] <mwhudson> mind you, i probably read it 10 years ago
[02:54] <mwhudson> that's a bit depressing
[02:54] <ojwb> no, it's good to be able to remember things you did 10 years ago
[02:54] <mwhudson> i guess :)
[02:55] <ojwb> well, I assume it would be
[02:55] <Atamira> heh..ive read so many books over the years
[02:55] <Atamira> that i dont realise ive read it till ive started reading it again
[02:55] <mwhudson> i had a moment in arty bees the other week
[02:55] <mwhudson> i picked up a book, nearly bought it
[02:56] <mwhudson> then realized at the last minute that i'd already bought it (from arty bees, too)
[02:56] <Atamira> lol
[02:56] <mwhudson> then got home and realized i'd _read_ it too
[02:56] <mwhudson> doesn't say too much for the book...
[02:56] <Atamira> heheh
[02:57] <Atamira> i hate reading a book then getting nearly to the end and realising ive already read it
[02:57] <ibeardslee> I love reading a book I know I've read and can't remember how it finishes
[02:58] <Atamira> ahh...arty bees sounds like the one in onehunga i used to go to..the 'hard to find bookshop' shop
[02:59] <mwhudson> it's a dangerous place
[03:01] <ibeardslee> you need to setup koha ;)
[03:02] <Atamira> all bookshops are dangerous places for book lovers
[03:02] <Atamira> koha?
[03:03]  * snail works in a library = inoculation against such risks 
[03:03] <ibeardslee> http://koha-community.org/
[03:04] <snail> looks like greenstone is going closed source, got an email today from a waikato paralegal after my residential mailing address. the only thing i can imagine they want is my greenstone copyrights...
[03:08] <ibeardslee> you could sell them for lots of $$
[03:12] <snail>  ibeardslee: i have my fingerprints on a very small number of files, and they have/had a decent version control system
[18:19] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:46] <snail> anyone else find drpobox consuming 100% of a cpu this morning?
[19:03] <ibeardslee> not me
[19:07] <ajmitch> morning
[19:20] <snail> morning
[19:45] <mwhudson> morning
[19:55] <snail> on a sane keyoard, how do i type "Super + M" ?
[19:55] <ajmitch> usually it's the key with a funny windows symbol
[19:56] <ajmitch> but on a sane keyboard?
[20:00] <ibeardslee> the little apple key?
[20:09] <mwhudson> "the one that's not alt or control"
[22:09] <Atamira> mornin