[08:19] <dpm> good morning all
[08:26] <andrejz> morning
[08:41] <Hazel-> can i ask for a french translator here?
[08:48] <andrejz> @Hazel: I am not sure, if anyone from french team is on the channel and behind the computer
[08:48] <andrejz> you can wait for somebody to show up or look here - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-fr
[08:48] <andrejz> and here - http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu-l10n-fr
[08:55] <Hazel-> andrejz: ok thanks
[09:34] <dpm> morning TLE, thanks for sending the reminder on language packs to the list
[11:49] <gtriderxc> can anyone help me : "There are 2 errors in the translations you provided. Please correct them before continuing.": "	
[11:49] <gtriderxc> format specifications in 'msgid' expect a mapping, those in 'msgstr[1]' expect a tuple "
[11:50] <gtriderxc> Copy text 	
[11:50] <gtriderxc> Install %(amount)s Item
[11:50] <gtriderxc> Install %(amount)s Items
[11:51] <gtriderxc> an example: "Instalacja % elementów"
[11:51] <gtriderxc> should I give brackets or what??
[11:54] <yurchor> No. You should not.
[11:55] <yurchor> The string in brackets is the context. Keep it intact.
[11:55] <dpm> gtriderxc, exactly, you should not translate %(amount)s and leave it as it is
[11:56] <gtriderxc> THX
[11:57] <gtriderxc> BUT!
[11:57] <gtriderxc> there is gonna be a problem in Polish
[11:57] <gtriderxc> cause
[11:57] <gtriderxc> in Polish we do not say one time
[11:57] <gtriderxc> we say once
[11:58] <gtriderxc> so if i leave it the programm will interpret it as:
[11:59] <gtriderxc> ok, I first check it and then complain:P
[11:59] <gtriderxc> *i'll
[12:02] <gtriderxc> oK. I made it work. THX 4 help
[12:24] <TLE> dpm: np
[12:24] <gtriderxc> "Welcome back! There is" "Welcome back! There are"  but
[12:24] <gtriderxc> in Polish we've got three possibilities
[12:25] <gtriderxc> first for 1
[12:25] <gtriderxc> second for 2
[12:25] <gtriderxc> third for all over >2
[12:26] <gtriderxc> I'm also provided to give three translation suggestions though there R only two strings
[12:26] <TLE> gtriderxc: when you translate an application, you give it the appropriate plural definition that will tell it how many plural forms there are in your language
[12:26] <gtriderxc> but who is gonna know that the second possibility is only for "2 recomendationS"
[12:27] <TLE> that is the number you are asked to translate
[12:27] <TLE> the msgid wil always be 2 strings since there are 2 plural forms in english
[12:27] <TLE> who is gonna know ?
[12:28] <TLE> well you need to check how the plural forms for your language is defined before you start translating, that is the way you will know
[12:28] <gtriderxc> in Polish I always try to avoid two forms and I always succeded but now it's just impossible:)
[12:29] <TLE> I don't think I understand, you say you try to avoind 2 forms?
[12:29] <danilos> gtriderxc, you can see what form is for what number on the language page
[12:29] <gtriderxc> i try to make the second form suitable for all plural possibilities
[12:30] <gtriderxc> but and doesn't always work
[12:30] <TLE> gtriderxc: that won't work
[12:30] <danilos> gtriderxc, why would you do that?
[12:30] <gtriderxc> and now it won't
[12:31] <danilos> gtriderxc, also, https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/pl says it's a bit more complex than what you cited above
[12:31] <TLE> ah we can't be two people talking at once, danilos will you take it?
[12:31] <danilos> TLE, nah, you go ahead :)
[12:32] <TLE> gtriderxc: ok I'll try to explain
[12:32] <gtriderxc> sometimes the sentence construction require only one plural form
[12:32] <TLE> gtriderxc: yes and then you shoul fill that in for all three cases
[12:33] <gtriderxc> ok, now i understand:) thanks
[12:34] <TLE> gtriderxc: no problem, you see the point is that which one of you translations that will be used may depend on a number in one of the variables, and so, nomatter how many of the strings you have filled in, it will always just use the one that corresponds to that number
[12:34] <gtriderxc> ok but
[12:35] <gtriderxc> in my present case I'm gonna need the second plural form for all digits from 2-4
[12:35] <TLE> yes and that is already coded into launchpad as you can see in the page danilos linked to
[12:35] <TLE> Polish has 3 plural forms:
[12:35] <TLE> Form 0 for 1.
[12:35] <TLE> Form 1 for 2, 3, 4, 22, 23, 24...
[12:35] <TLE> Form 2 for 0, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9...
[12:35] <gtriderxc> is there any form of formatting the string that will tell somebody that in polisch the second from as suitable for 2-4??
[12:36] <TLE> ^^
[12:36] <gtriderxc> exactly
[12:36] <gtriderxc> ok. now i get it
[12:36] <gtriderxc> THX once again
[12:37] <TLE> there isn't anything that will tell you that, the only thing we presently can do, is to write it on the webpages and try and communicate it when a translator volounteers
[12:37] <TLE> you are welcome
[14:25] <gtriderxc> "Translators: full sentence will be: Welcome back! There is/are %(len)i new recommendation/s for you. "
[14:25] <gtriderxc> String is divided into three parts
[14:25] <gtriderxc> :
[14:26] <gtriderxc>  Welcome back! There is/are///         %(len)i new recommendation/s///                  for you.
[14:26] <gtriderxc> we don't need the "for You part" should I just leave it blank??
[14:27] <gtriderxc> or is it gonn be a problem??
[14:29] <andrejz> no it's not
[14:30] <dpm> hm, I think that string needs to use plural forms :(
[14:31] <dpm> gtriderxc, can you give us a link to the string please?
[14:31] <andrejz> i think this is software center
[14:31] <gtriderxc> just a sec...
[14:31] <dpm> We should probably report a bug
[14:31] <gtriderxc> exactly
[14:31] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/pl/+translate?field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&show=untranslated&start=8
[14:32] <dpm> thanks
[14:32] <gtriderxc> software center 211,212,213
[14:33] <andrejz> string is ok
[14:33] <danilos> I don't think that string needs to use plural forms
[14:33] <danilos> just like the first one doesn't (even though it does today)
[14:34] <danilos> however, the first string should be split into "Welcome back!" and "There are %(len)i new recommendations for you", the second of which would use plural forms
[14:34] <dpm> I think mvo or someone else working in Software Center must have had to split the sentence. I don't think they'd have gone the length of adding a comment to each part if they could have used a single, joined, sentence
[14:34] <dpm> but that's just a guess
[14:35] <gtriderxc> i hope no over ambitious man will translate the last part just for fun
[14:35] <danilos> dpm, that's true, but then they should have at least split up "Welcome back!" and "There is"
[14:35] <danilos> not that it matters much
[14:36] <dpm> hm, yeah, I should probably ask mvo
[15:00] <gtriderxc> "Copy text 	Copy _Web Link"
[15:00] <gtriderxc> ??why _Web??
[15:01] <gtriderxc> and why someone translated it this way:?? >>S_kopiuj adres strony WWW<<??
[15:02] <gtriderxc> Skopiuj == Copy
[15:02] <gtriderxc> what is this>> _ <<  for??
[15:03] <andrejz> @gridexc
[15:03] <gtriderxc> ...
[15:03] <andrejz> the chacater _ is used for accelerators
[15:04] <andrejz> So if it says _File
[15:04] <andrejz> this means F in File will be underlined
[15:04] <andrejz> and one can open the menu using Alt Gr + F
[15:04] <gtriderxc> :)THX once again:)
[15:04] <andrejz> so
[15:05] <andrejz> the thing you should be careful about - there shouldn't be the same letter underlined several times in one menu
[15:05] <gtriderxc> that's clear:)
[15:05] <gtriderxc> thanks a lot!:)
[15:05] <andrejz> So if you have Fil_e you cannot have H_elp
[15:05] <andrejz> no problem
[16:38] <trijntje> Hi all, where can I find the langpack-ppa for Maverick? I saw a reference to it on the ML but I cant find a link to it on the wiki
[16:42] <andrejz> just a sec
[16:43] <andrejz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa
[16:59] <trijntje> andrejz, thanks, little crash at this side ;)
[16:59] <andrejz> sure, no problem
[20:36] <gtriderxc> helllo
[20:36] <gtriderxc> can anyone help me??:
[20:37] <gtriderxc> "Install %(amount)s Item"
[20:37] <gtriderxc> I'm gonna translete it into Polish
[20:37] <gtriderxc> &
[20:38] <gtriderxc> should all the interior stay as it is??
[20:38] <gtriderxc> i mean:  %(amount)s
[20:39] <trijntje> gtriderxc, yes
[20:40] <gtriderxc> thanks