[03:37] <DoubleB> hello all :D
[03:52] <zillah> and hello from me also
[04:02] <Ahmuck> hi
[04:03] <zillah> hi Ahmuck
[04:06] <zillah> hey TommyT
[04:06] <TommyT> Howdy! I almost forgot to stop by.
[04:07] <zillah> lol
[04:07] <zillah> how are you tonight
[04:08] <TommyT> I'm doing great. I was trying to pull up the logs to catch up on the conversation...
[04:09] <zillah> if i had to guess i'd say there hasn't been much of one
[04:09] <TommyT> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/15/%23ubuntu-us-ar.txt
[04:09] <TommyT> Looks like it, though this log bot is not as "real time" as the old one was
[04:10] <TommyT> Also I wish it was in local time, not UTC
[04:10] <DoubleB> hey
[04:11] <TommyT> .... I do have an Ubuntu topic to ask about
[04:12] <TommyT> someone gave me an Acer Aspire 5100 laptop they had given up on
[04:12] <TommyT> I was able to restore it to "factory fresh" and I thought it was merely afflicted with 5 levels of Hell
[04:12] <TommyT> Microsoft
[04:13] <TommyT> Windows
[04:13] <TommyT> Vista
[04:13] <TommyT> Home
[04:13] <TommyT> Premium
[04:13] <zillah> lol
[04:13] <TommyT> UNFORTUNATELY, however, the Radeon 1100 card in it has a serious bug
[04:13] <zillah> what's the bug?
[04:14] <TommyT> when running Ubuntu, if you suspend it and wake it up, the display is garbled
[04:14] <zillah> hrm
[04:14] <TommyT> I have tried all the possible settings INCLUDING the xorg-crack repository
[04:14] <DoubleB> ha love the five levels of hell
[04:14] <TommyT> even weirder...
[04:15] <TommyT> X won't run at ALL with vesa or fbdev (vanilla) drivers
[04:16] <TommyT> I can't imagine having a laptop you can't suspend, so I've been hacking away at it for over a week now
[04:17] <TommyT> I've been posting in an Ubuntu bug and tracking an xorg bug
[04:17] <zillah> have you using ati catalyst drivers?
[04:17] <zillah> are you*
[04:17] <zillah> sorry for the engrish
[04:17] <TommyT> I don't know catalyst... where do they come from?
[04:19] <zillah> grrr...usually from ATI's site, but i'm getting Service Unavailable
[04:19] <zillah> you might look at this: http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/11436/
[04:19] <TommyT> I'm finding something on http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[04:20] <TommyT> HAH it just went to service unavailable
[04:21] <zillah> lol well at least it's not just me
[04:22] <TommyT> If nothing else the techspot site has a lot of words on it, some of which might help me out
[04:22] <zillah> i had an ati card and was having issues with dual monitors and i think the catalyst driver + edits to xorgconfig fixed it i think
[04:23] <TommyT> great... for whatever reason I haven't run into this much video trouble before
[04:23] <TommyT> especially that vesa won't work at all -- it segfaults
[04:24] <TommyT> I was going to check for a bug on that... xorg calls the vesa driver "failsafe"
[04:24] <DoubleB> zillah i remember that day.
[04:25] <zillah> yeah that was a nightmare DoubleB
[04:25] <DoubleB> yeah but after you found that tutorial all was good
[04:26] <DoubleB> did you delicious that site?
[04:26] <zillah> not sure, i'll look
[04:32] <TommyT> Here's some info for Ubuntu 9.10 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:32] <zillah> here's that tutorial DoubleB was talking about that i used: http://blog.vinceliu.com/2009/02/setting-dual-head-displays-with-radeon.html
[04:34] <TommyT> THAT looks pretty helpful.... UNFORTUNATELY....
[04:35] <TommyT> "Ah, suspend/hibernate - this is one of the difficult issues when it comes to Linux in general. Neither of my colleagues nor I could make it work properly, and some of them are really hard-core guys :P"
[04:35] <TommyT> drat
[04:36] <TommyT> Thanks for the leads, however. That gives me a lot more to try when I should be getting my work done. ;-)
[04:37] <zillah> i've never had much luck with it either from what i remember
[04:39] <TommyT> I'll have to go soon... I think the reason the laptop thing galls me so much is...
[04:40] <TommyT> I can watch Vista grinding away horribly but it can suspend OK. Ubuntu fairly screams, but tears up the screen if you forget and close the lid
[04:40] <zillah> lol
[04:40] <zillah> i know what you mean
[04:40] <zillah> that's my complaint with freebsd
[04:41] <zillah> it's rock solid, but forget using Flash  :(
[04:41] <TommyT> Last time I used Gnash it was ALMOST functional.
[04:41] <TommyT> Maybe it will work with freebsd
[04:41] <zillah> yeah i saw something about that the other day
[04:42] <TommyT> it has probably been two years since I tried it
[04:42] <DoubleB> HTML5 <video> ftw!
[04:42] <zillah> i just gave up and took the keyboard mouse video and speakers off freebsd and access it from ubuntu now with vnc
[04:42] <zillah> amen DoubleB
[04:43] <TommyT> it's funny because I was reading something the other day that pointed out...
[04:43] <TommyT> it hasn't been THAT long ago that Quicktime was THE way to put video online
[04:43] <DoubleB> I can't wait until firefox 4 releses. then I can us webm on the website
[04:44] <TommyT> but YouTube instantly made Flash the most popular way to do video
[04:44] <zillah> yeah, which is great for windows users, sucks for everybody else
[04:44] <DoubleB> yup
[04:44] <zillah> DoubleB, what's webm
[04:45] <TommyT> Nowadays you can play most quicktime stuff using vnc or totem
[04:45] <TommyT> vlc I mean
[04:45] <DoubleB> http://www.webmproject.org/
[04:46] <DoubleB> google bought the codec and free/opened it
[04:46] <DoubleB> fsf endorses it
[04:46] <TommyT> I got the idea they were all gangbusters on that a few months back but slowed way down
[04:46] <zillah> oh i remember this now
[04:46] <DoubleB> Chrome and Opera support and so will Firefox 4 :D
[04:47] <DoubleB> ie 9 will support it with the codec installed
[04:47] <TommyT> didn't they drop the special url in Youtube?
[04:47] <TommyT> or is it still available
[04:47] <DoubleB> for?
[04:47] <TommyT> for the webm or html5
[04:47] <TommyT> I can't remember
[04:47] <DoubleB> youtube.com/htm5
[04:48] <DoubleB> opt in
[04:48] <TommyT> http://www.youtube.com/html5 that's it
[04:49] <TommyT> I thought I read somewhere they dropped it, but maybe I dreamt it
[04:49] <DoubleB> there is someway to force webm but I forget
[04:49] <zillah> it tells on the webm site
[04:49] <zillah> you append &webm to the url or something
[04:50] <TommyT> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-to-play-webm-video-on-youtube.html
[04:51] <TommyT> there's what I read -- Google didn't convert EVERYTHING to webm, so some videos won't play
[04:51] <DoubleB> yeah
[04:51] <TommyT> or maybe that has changed or will change when the new browsers come out
[04:53] <TommyT> well I am getting the "it is cold and you need to come to bed" messages from the other room
[04:53] <TommyT> gotta go
[04:53] <zillah> lol ttyl TommyT