[01:09] <Unit193> Hello Cheri703!
[01:09] <Cheri703> hey
[01:10] <Cheri703> brb
[01:17] <Cheri703> back :)
[01:17] <Unit193> Welcome back!
[01:17]  * Cheri703 got a printer!
[01:17] <Unit193> That multi one?
[01:17] <Cheri703> and reaffirmed my love for both microcenter and newegg
[01:18] <Cheri703> a different one, but similar
[01:18] <Cheri703> a canon, very similar except a secondary paper path
[01:18] <Cheri703> (lets you feed straight through instead of making it curve over)
[01:18] <Unit193> Not going for an HP ;)
[01:19] <Cheri703> pricematched newegg for $89.99, so I got a $10 2 year replacement thing, which normally I don't go for, but printers crap out quickly, and basically within 2 years, I can go back and get a gift card for the full purchase price if it does
[01:22] <Unit193> Would you try SSH -x over dialup?
[01:22] <Cheri703> probably do the ssh -Y -C
[01:22] <Cheri703> not x
[01:25] <Unit193> Mostly asking if you would try X11 over a dialup connection
[01:25] <Cheri703> worth a shot
[01:26] <Cheri703> if it doesn't work, and you're doing it from terminal, just do ctrl c
[01:26] <Cheri703> and it'll cancel it
[01:26] <Unit193> I love screen -rx :)
[01:27] <Cheri703> yeah? I still haven't messed with it. I've been running around all day
[01:28] <Unit193> I still have pidgin open, but I mostly use screen with finch
[01:29] <Cheri703> nice
[01:30] <canthus13> Woo. screen's man page is almost 3000 lines.
[01:31] <Unit193> I didn't read it all (most are too long)
[01:31] <Unit193> Pidgin is mostly for the sound (I can't get finch to tell me)
[01:33] <canthus13> Heh. Most of the stuff you'll never use.
[01:36] <Cheri703> gotta drive home now, ttyl
[01:37] <Unit193> Bye
[01:42] <thafreak> over dialup, you want NX
[01:42] <thafreak> look at nomachine.com
[01:42] <thafreak> or freenx
[01:42] <thafreak> or neatx
[01:43] <thafreak> or, for full desktop, x2go
[01:43] <thafreak> they all use NX developed by nomachine
[01:43] <thafreak> super duper X compression...
[01:44] <thafreak> but freenx (and maybe neatx) and the nomachine stuff, all let you run a single X command over ssh...
[01:44] <Unit19P> are any of them wine?
[01:44] <thafreak> actually, maybe x2go does to
[01:44] <thafreak> no...no wine
[01:44] <thafreak> they all have native ubuntu packages
[01:44] <thafreak> freenx is being replaced by neatx (which is being developed by google no less)
[01:45] <Unit19P> Sorry, do any work on Win?
[01:45] <thafreak> oh yeah
[01:45] <thafreak> no machine has a native windows client
[01:46] <Unit19P> My grandma has one win comp (and I bet it's only a WinModem:( )
[01:47] <thafreak> OH
[01:47] <thafreak> wait, do you want to run apps on a remote win machine?
[01:47] <Unit19P> Noooo
[01:47] <thafreak> or you want to use the win machine to run apps on a remote linux box?
[01:47] <Unit19P> SSH FROM Win
[01:48] <thafreak> Gotcha, yeah, NX is probably the only chance of it working over dialup
[01:48] <Unit19P> The "server" is Lubuntu
[01:48] <canthus13> Remote lose machine.
[01:48] <thafreak> you'll probably get better milage running a single app though...but a full desktop MIGHT be doable...may be dreadfully slow
[01:49] <Unit19P> Single app is just fine
[01:49] <canthus13> A full desktop forwarded over the internet is painfully slow.
[01:49] <Unit19P> I think I was looking at NX a bit back!
[01:49]  * canthus13 accidentally did it once. (ssh -X, startx)
[01:49] <canthus13> Gnome popped up 45 minutes after I forgot about it.
[01:50] <thafreak> canthus13: you've never tried something using NX have you?
[01:50] <canthus13> Nope.
[01:51]  * canthus13 is quite happy to use cli apps for everything he does over ssh.
[01:51] <thafreak> I usually run a full desktop from my home pc at work using NX...works almost as if it were local
[01:51] <canthus13> Nice.
[01:51] <thafreak> course, we got big pipes at work...almost as big as your company probably :)
[01:52] <Unit193> Like VNC in the way of installing a server and (portable?) client
[01:52] <canthus13> Heh.  I've got 2mbit up here at home, and access to 50/10 on my play machine... access to an OC3 on my work machine.
[01:55] <Unit193> or does the X server work with it?
[01:55] <thafreak> yeah, only NX compresses much much better than vnc
[01:55] <canthus13> VNC is a bit sluggish and ugly.
[01:55] <thafreak> Well, VNC actually makes a fake X server, that your apps run as...
[01:55] <canthus13> ..And inconsistent in it's speed detection.
[01:55] <thafreak> NX does some kind of proxy magic and talks to a real x server
[01:56] <thafreak> NX is magic
[01:56] <Unit193> What server do I need to install?
[01:56] <thafreak> you seriously have to try it to believe...
[01:56] <thafreak> I would try the one from nomachine
[01:56] <Unit193> Not in the repo?
[01:56] <thafreak> it's free for personal use, and "allows 2 silmultaneous connections"
[01:57] <thafreak> nope
[01:57] <thafreak> the ones available in a repo aren't as polished...yet
[01:57] <Unit193> I use VNC all the time...
[01:57] <thafreak> and I *think* nomachine just released a brand new version, which is supposedly a huge leap forward in performance...
[02:00] <Unit193> I kinda need a portable win client... (I *can* install, but....)
[02:01] <thafreak> there's a portable nx version I thought...check portableapps.com
[02:01] <thafreak> yeah I just checked, the open NX servers aren't in the main repos still...you have to add a PPA to get them
[02:06] <thafreak> Actually, check out x2go too...that's what I use, as it has a ton of features (Remote sound, file sharing, etc)
[02:06] <Unit193> PortableApps 2X client?
[02:06] <thafreak> and ACTUALLY, there may be a web based x2go client somewhere
[02:06] <thafreak> nothing to install
[02:08] <Unit193> Portable app would be best, but install would be second (dialup = slow)
[02:19] <Unit193> Server, Client AND Node??
[02:25] <thafreak> yeah...it's goofy
[02:25] <thafreak> you could potentially split those up, and put server on one machine and node on another
[02:28] <Unit193> So install node & server on Lubuntu? (where are the repos? maybe only DEBs?)
[02:28] <thafreak> eh, actually, I just use x2go now
[02:28] <thafreak> it's much easier to install
[02:28] <Unit193> What one works best on slow connections?
[02:29] <thafreak> just the "windows client" isn't quite so simple. It installs an x server, pulseaudio, and some other stuff...
[02:29] <thafreak> They all use the same compression libraries actually
[02:29] <thafreak> so, really they're all about the same...
[02:29] <thafreak> It's just where do you want the hassle, on setting up the server part, or the windows part
[02:30] <thafreak> Oh, and also note, that the no machine version eats up CPU on your linux box...
[02:30] <thafreak> x2go has been more cpu friendly for me...
[02:31] <Unit193> server is 500MHz so CPU friendly sounds really good
[02:56] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[02:56] <dmcglone> Cheri703: you here?
[02:56] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone!
[02:56] <dmcglone> whats up Unit19
[02:56] <dmcglone> oops
[02:56] <dmcglone> chopped your name off
[02:56] <dmcglone> darn tab key.. LOL
[02:56] <Unit193> Better then my head...
[02:57] <dmcglone> thats true
[02:57] <Unit193> Installing x2go server
[02:57] <dmcglone> I bought me a new printer today
[02:57] <Unit193> Cheri703 did too
[02:58] <dmcglone> she did
[02:58] <dmcglone> no wonder she's not responding to me, she's too busy messing with it
[03:00] <Unit193> thafreak: Does x2go work with single windows too?
[03:02] <Unit193> I think she doesn't like you....
[03:03] <Unit193> brb - SGA
[03:04] <dmcglone> Nah we're good
[03:36] <dmcglone> Well I'm gonna head out of here and get me a good nights sleep
[03:36] <dmcglone> I'll talk to ya all later
[03:36] <canthus13> later
[03:36] <dmcglone> later canthus13
[03:36] <BiosElement> canthus13, You did see that was a new bundle right? ;P
[03:40] <canthus13> Yep.  Gettin' it for my boys for christmas.
[03:40] <BiosElement> hah, awesome
[04:16] <Cheri703> anyone available to help me with some installation issues?
[04:17] <canthus13> what's up?
[04:17] <Cheri703> trying to install this: http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100301702.html
[04:17] <Cheri703> it has an "install.sh" file in it
[04:18] <Cheri703> and when I run it, I get "An error occurred. The package management system cannot be identified"
[04:18] <Cheri703> that line exists as an output in the script, but I have NO idea why it's outputting that
[04:23] <canthus13> It's australian. run it backwards?
[04:23] <canthus13> :)
[04:23]  * canthus13 checks out the script.
[04:23] <Cheri703> well, there's this forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475336
[04:25] <Cheri703> and I kind of get it, but...
[04:25] <canthus13> there's your problem.. you got the australian drivers. :)
[04:25] <canthus13> (Download linke in the post says asia)
[04:26] <Cheri703> well, yes...
[04:26] <canthus13> Are you running 32 bit or 64?
[04:26] <Cheri703> 32
[04:26] <Cheri703> someone further down says that to get theirs working on 32 they had to comment out stuff too
[04:28] <thafreak> Unit193: I think x2go does support single windows too
[04:28] <canthus13> Cheri703: Did you try the commenting out part?
[04:29] <Cheri703> trying to figure it out
[04:31] <canthus13> gedit or nano install.sh, comment, save. :)
[04:31] <Cheri703> well, yeah, trying to figure out what to comment...I'll reread the thread
[04:38] <Cheri703> now I got "An error occurred. A necessary package could not be found in the proper location."
[04:39] <Cheri703> I had been looking in the wrong part of the script, but now I don't know where to look for where it is looking for the files
[04:41] <canthus13> I'd use the search function to locate one of the strings.
[04:42]  * Cheri703 doesn't know what string to look for :(
[04:42] <Cheri703> sorry for being difficult
[04:43] <canthus13> All good.
[04:43]  * Cheri703 is excited to use new printer!
[04:44] <canthus13> Search for "deb are error"  and you should find the correct code block. (No quotes)
[04:44] <Cheri703> ok
[04:45] <Cheri703> well, I got that, for the commenting, now I need to figure out why it isn't finding the file
[04:45] <canthus13> It looks like the script is a bit different...
[04:45] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:46]  * canthus13 checks the drivers from the asia server.
[04:46] <canthus13> ...although the model # appears to be different.
[04:47] <Cheri703> well, yeah, mine is a 5220
[04:47] <Cheri703> the one I downloaded is 5250
[04:47] <canthus13> Hmm.
[04:47] <Cheri703> the one in the thread is different
[04:47] <Cheri703> mg5220
[04:47] <canthus13> Yeah. I just figured that out.
[04:47] <Cheri703> sorry >.<
[04:49] <canthus13> All good. :)
[04:50] <canthus13> I dunno.. I can't find anything talking about it not working.
[04:50] <Cheri703> ok
[04:50] <Cheri703> np
[04:51] <Cheri703> I'm bugging other people about it too ;)
[06:00] <Unit193> I may end up doing what dmc did, have gnome with KDE apps....
[18:26] <paultag> If anyone cares to give me a plug for the IRC Council, I'd love it :) -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Paultag/Plugs
[19:38] <Unit193> Hello jacob!
[19:38] <jacob> heya Unit193
[19:38] <jacob> how's it goin
[19:38] <Unit193> Good I guess, you?
[19:42] <jacob> pretty good here, sleeping the day away
[19:42] <jacob> (sorry, i'm tabbing around windows catching up on things :P)
[19:45] <Unit193> Hey Cheri703
[19:46] <Cheri703> hi
[19:46] <Cheri703> I only have a few minutes :/
[19:46] <Unit193> then goodbye :D
[19:46] <Cheri703> well, I'm here for a bit
[19:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: Figure out the printer yet?
[19:51] <Cheri703> :/ not entirely
[19:54] <canthus13> Oh wow. Lexmark now supports linux officially.  How'd I miss this?
[19:54] <Cheri703> what? really? last lexmark I had was HORRIBLE
[19:54] <Cheri703> and their ink was stupid expensive too
[19:54] <Cheri703> might have to reconsider lexmark
[19:55] <Cheri703> if I end up returning this one
[19:55] <canthus13> Lexmark black ink is cheap.
[19:55] <canthus13> around 5 bucks a cart.
[19:55] <canthus13> dunno about color.
[19:55]  * canthus13 may consider one for business use.  It'd be nice to have something that uses cheap ink for printing invoices and such.
[19:56] <canthus13> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lexmark_linux&num=1
[19:56] <canthus13> http://support.lexmark.com/index?page=content&id=OS4&locale=en&userlocale=EN_US
[19:56] <Cheri703> hmmmm
[19:56] <Cheri703> maybe it was just that one I had
[19:56] <Unit193> You can get cheap refills from CartridgeWorld
[19:56] <Cheri703> do they do the crappy thing hp does with the expiration dates on ink?
[19:57] <canthus13> Lexmark has been advertising 5 dollar black ink carts on Tv for a while now.
[19:57]  * Cheri703 was vaguely considering going back on her standards and contemplating an hp
[19:57] <canthus13> dunno.
[19:57] <canthus13> that's why I'm not gonna buy another hp.
[19:58] <canthus13> hp just works, though.
[19:59] <Unit193> canthus13: Do you get the normal printers (not scan/fax/network and stuff)
[20:01] <canthus13> Unit193: Nah. I usually just get a scan/copier/printer combo.
[20:01] <Cheri703> other question is if the driver is fully featured or not
[20:01] <Cheri703> yeah, that's why they're off my list, I was thinking of going back since they're ubuntu compatible...but I hate them :(
[20:01] <Cheri703> I installed the .deb files that were in that canon driver, and it's HORRIBLE with features. I can print, but can't change resolution, can't get 99% of the features that it has
[20:01] <Cheri703> and it has a LOT of features :(
[20:01] <canthus13> Bummer.  And I suppose CUPS doesn't support it.
[20:02] <Cheri703> if brother had an mfp that would duplex, I'd get it :/
[20:03] <canthus13> I actually like my hp, but it has issues with feeding paper.
[20:04] <Unit193> Brother has good linux support?
[20:09] <canthus13> I have no idea.
[20:11] <Unit193> They seem to:http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
[20:43] <deejoe> not a bad little page for this
[20:43] <deejoe> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bios-boot-cdrom
[23:46] <Cheri703> my stupid wifi cuts out! it drives me nuts :(
[23:48] <canthus13> Cheri703: Which wireless card?
[23:48] <Cheri703> I don't know, I could look. I'm going to be sending my netbook for repairs, and one of the issues is my wireless
[23:48] <Cheri703> so hopefully it'll get fixed
[23:49] <Cheri703> but the internet cutting out affects husband too, and he's wired
[23:49] <canthus13> Ah. So it's your router.
[23:49] <canthus13> Running any torrents?
[23:50] <Cheri703> nope. and I don't think it's the router...next time it does it I'll check the modem page. I was reading stuff so didn't really notice till everything signed back in...
[23:50] <canthus13> Oh yeah.. that's right. You keep losing connection.
[23:51] <canthus13> And of course your modem doesn't keep logs, so no way to tell if there are any T4 timeouts. :P
[23:51] <_bbb_> suck
[23:51] <_bbb_> i have similar problem
[23:51] <_bbb_> with wireless bridge
[23:52] <canthus13> (T4 timeouts are bad, indicate a loss of connectivity with CMTS, and usually indicate a wiring problem between the modem and the tap.)
[23:52] <_bbb_> wet54g
[23:52] <Cheri703> yuppers
[23:52] <canthus13> wet?
[23:52] <Cheri703> it's no good
[23:52] <canthus13> shouldn't wet your bridge.
[23:52] <_bbb_> thats a lot of acronyms
[23:52] <_bbb_> cant be good
[23:53] <canthus13> CMTS = Cable Modem Termination System.  that's the hub, which serves a given area and aggregates the signals from all the nodes attached to it.
[23:54] <canthus13> Each node should serve about 200-500 customers, depending on the type of hardware serving it.
[23:55] <canthus13> A tap is basically just a heavy duty splitter, and serves 4-8 houses.
[23:55] <canthus13> Anyway.
[23:56] <canthus13> Most T4 timeouts are caused by a bad tap, bad drop, bad ground block, bad splitters in the house, or cracked/loose fittings on the cable ends.
[23:57] <canthus13> They don't get fixed unless the customer complains.  the ISP has no real way of knowing that it's going on otherwise.
[23:57] <Cheri703> yeah, next time it does it, I'm going to verify that it's them, and not mine somehow, and then call
[23:58] <canthus13> lately, though, we've been seeing T4 timeouts caused by load balancing.  Older cable modems can't handle automatic load balancing and have to drop off and reacquire their channel.
[23:58] <canthus13> Cheri703: Cool.