| cyberanger | I thought natty was too new for a default | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| techMiles | wrst: am around now | 01:47 |
| === cyberanger is now known as cyberanger1 | ||
| wrst | techMiles you trying out Quassel? | 01:52 |
| techMiles | sorta. :) | 01:53 |
| techMiles | am using both atm. | 01:53 |
| wrst | the client and the remote core? | 01:53 |
| techMiles | hah. oops. accidentally joined #ubuntu-tn-us . | 01:53 |
| techMiles | wrst: nah. the mono build for winderz | 01:53 |
| techMiles | atm | 01:53 |
| techMiles | brb | 01:54 |
| wrst | thats ok but the client/core is awesome | 01:54 |
| cyberanger1 | Techmiles: that'd do it | 01:56 |
| wrst | wb cyberanger | 01:58 |
| cyberanger1 | Wrst: corrupt connectbot (nothing to fear on your end, isolated incedent) didn't realize until after I left | 02:03 |
| cyberanger1 | Cyberanger is also here, idly logging my misfortune | 02:03 |
| cyberanger1 | Or not? Idk, I don't see him here | 02:04 |
| cyberanger1 | Hrm | 02:05 |
| cyberanger1 | I'll have to see what happened | 02:06 |
| wrst | well glad you are here cyberanger | 02:09 |
| === cyberanger1 is now known as cyberanger | ||
| cyberanger | This is not my week | 02:14 |
| cyberanger | Added a 2nd static ip, issue relates to that | 02:15 |
| wrst | ahh cool on the second ip | 02:15 |
| cyberanger | Know what to fix, unlike normal, I can't, connectbot issue nuked my key, have to fix that first | 02:16 |
| techMiles | connectbot? | 02:17 |
| cyberanger | I'm running a tier 2 opennic dns server, figured it'd help if a dos occured to have a backup | 02:17 |
| cyberanger | Techmiles: android ssh client | 02:18 |
| techMiles | Ahhh | 02:18 |
| cyberanger | Very good, I just did something odd | 02:22 |
| wrst | techmiles im connected using connectbot now | 02:26 |
| techMiles | lol | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | Like I said in different words, "my fault" | 02:36 |
| techMiles | anybody know anything 'bout eggdrops in here? | 02:50 |
| cyberanger | G2G | 02:55 |
| cyberanger | Techmiles hng on | 02:55 |
| techMiles | np | 02:55 |
| cyberanger | I'm gonna disconnect, cell cvg | 02:56 |
| Juzzy | I know * about eggdrops | 03:06 |
| Juzzy | I used to crack botnets in a previous life | 03:07 |
| techMiles | lol | 03:09 |
| techMiles | :) | 03:09 |
| techMiles | TEACH | 03:09 |
| Juzzy | It's not an easy art | 03:09 |
| Juzzy | you need to know asm, tcl hooks, gdb, encryption basics, etc | 03:10 |
| techMiles | how about how to have them use mysql db's? as opposed to flatfile db's ? | 03:22 |
| techMiles312 | so, wrst aside from the client-to-core connection and being able to connect anywhere, what advantages does quassel present over using, say, xchat with a bnc? | 03:59 |
| wrst | that's about it as a client i think it is good but not anything special | 03:59 |
| techMiles312 | http://quassel-irc.org/node/104 what is the top-half of this messages/channel screen? | 04:00 |
| techMiles312 | it notes channels, etc.. | 04:00 |
| techMiles312 | but multiple ones | 04:00 |
| wrst | yeah i never used that always confused me :) | 04:01 |
| techMiles312 | do you know wht it is? lol | 04:01 |
| wrst | I think so you can monitor two.channels at once | 04:05 |
| techMiles | two+ channels?' | 04:07 |
| techMiles | an interesting concept.. | 04:07 |
| techMiles | hmm | 04:08 |
| === cyberanger1 is now known as cyberanger | ||
| techMiles | wb cyberanger | 04:10 |
| cyberanger | hey techMiles | 04:13 |
| cyberanger | I think I've got everything fixed | 05:00 |
| cyberanger | except I still don't have my 2nd IP | 05:00 |
| cyberanger | but I'll work on that when I have a whole day to screw with it | 05:01 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: what was your question earier | 05:40 |
| techMiles | if anyone knew anything about eggdrops | 05:40 |
| cyberanger | ah, very very little | 05:40 |
| techMiles | crap. I might have to cobble a way to compile this xchat plugin. | 05:41 |
| wrst | hello | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | ¡Hola Señor wrst ! | 21:18 |
| electricus | hey guys | 21:22 |
| cyberanger | ¡Hola Señor electricus ! | 21:23 |
| electricus | hello cyberanger | 21:24 |
| cyberanger | hows things | 21:24 |
| electricus | i'm freezing in my office | 21:24 |
| electricus | i'm in a finished basement with basically no conditioning | 21:25 |
| electricus | so it's a whopp'n 65 degrees at best. a tad chilly for me | 21:25 |
| electricus | my fingers especially | 21:25 |
| electricus | space heater is at full tilt | 21:26 |
| cyberanger | yikes | 21:31 |
| electricus | is ubuntu going to a rolling release model? | 21:31 |
| cyberanger | they haven't yet | 21:32 |
| cyberanger | there are reports, rumours | 21:32 |
| cyberanger | so on | 21:32 |
| electricus | well..there's been talk about it and some articles have seemingly hinted at it.. but I didn't think so.. although i wish they would | 21:32 |
| electricus | it sucks having to blast your whole os and set up everthing 'again' | 21:33 |
| cyberanger | well, I've just learned that until it happens, it's hard to believe | 21:33 |
| electricus | the distro version upgrade doesn't work either | 21:33 |
| cyberanger | yeah, I don't have that issue, but my build is more like debian testing than ubuntu | 21:34 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu alternate installer, cli install | 21:34 |
| cyberanger | apt-get a few things | 21:34 |
| electricus | how did you do that? | 21:34 |
| cyberanger | openbox, wicd, so on | 21:34 |
| electricus | ah.. you can use the non-graphical install and get more options etc? | 21:35 |
| electricus | like the good ol' non-graphical installer | 21:36 |
| electricus | for debian | 21:36 |
| cyberanger | grab the ubuntu alternate installer, hit f4, it's on normal, go to cli | 21:36 |
| cyberanger | yeah, however debian's allows for even finer control | 21:36 |
| electricus | ahh. | 21:36 |
| electricus | so why do you like to run ubuntu that way rather than just use debian? | 21:37 |
| cyberanger | I do run debian | 21:37 |
| electricus | lol.. well you know what i mean | 21:37 |
| cyberanger | I just also run backtrack linux crunchbang and others | 21:37 |
| electricus | why don't you just run 'raw' debian instead of ubuntu | 21:38 |
| cyberanger | but ubuntu and variants are what I help others with | 21:38 |
| cyberanger | from install to wvdial | 21:38 |
| cyberanger | or gnome-ppp | 21:38 |
| electricus | i see. | 21:38 |
| electricus | i also run win-vista, ubuntu, backtrack, and arch on my laptop | 21:39 |
| cyberanger | unlike a drug dealer, I don't mind using my product, I show others it works | 21:39 |
| electricus | ya..totally | 21:39 |
| cyberanger | and that helps get others on linux | 21:39 |
| electricus | each os has it's advantages/dis | 21:40 |
| electricus | what i really do like about ubuntu is 'it just works' 98% of the time :-) | 21:41 |
| cyberanger | yeah, but the biggest disadvantage is being clueless, it magnifies any other issue | 21:41 |
| electricus | but their forums/wiki aren't really that great.. | 21:41 |
| cyberanger | so for the 2% of the time, I know ubuntu and debian | 21:41 |
| cyberanger | but I don't necessarlly have to hand hold ubuntu, as much as debian | 21:42 |
| techMiles | that's true. | 21:43 |
| electricus | ya.. they put a lot of work into making ubuntu 'just work' for most people which is why it's so great.. and you don't have to take forever compiling a bunch of stuff or configuring conf files and all that.. | 21:43 |
| cyberanger | yeah, that's kinda flawed, when linuxjournal.com has more info on your distro, than your distro's own support | 21:43 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: I'd love to learn more about your finder-tuned setup so I could apply it whenever I redo this desktop once my finals are over. | 21:43 |
| techMiles | I'd like to be able to use the WM that crunchbang uses. | 21:43 |
| electricus | pretty soon i'm going to wipe out my ubuntu 10.4 partition and go to 10.10 | 21:44 |
| techMiles | and be able to start without all the extra stuff-- install only what I want. I don't play any of the games ubuntu comes with, etc. but if you uninstall enough of them, it wants to remove the whole GUI | 21:44 |
| techMiles | well, GNOME. | 21:44 |
| cyberanger | electricus: why not a system upgrade | 21:44 |
| techMiles | so it revers to the Debian default. | 21:44 |
| electricus | that's where it gets tricky | 21:44 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: well, I start with no gui, ground up, not tear down | 21:45 |
| electricus | ya.. i'd like to install ubuntu without any of the social networking stuff or ubuntu one and such | 21:45 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: that's what I did. | 21:45 |
| electricus | just give me linux and gnome | 21:45 |
| techMiles | but when you do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop...... | 21:45 |
| techMiles | it doesn't give you JUST the bare essentials. | 21:46 |
| cyberanger | electricus: that is doable, just a bit of a pain | 21:46 |
| techMiles | crunchbang uses... er.. fluxbox? | 21:46 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: same | 21:46 |
| cyberanger | crunchbang was just openbox | 21:46 |
| techMiles | ahhh openbox | 21:46 |
| techMiles | I knew it was a ????box | 21:46 |
| cyberanger | corenomial has gone into xfce too now | 21:46 |
| electricus | i've used light desktops and such.. but honestly by the time you run a browser and other apps.. you are using just as much ram .. just run a real desktop like gnome :-) | 21:47 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: I've heard a bit about arch lately... would it be stable enough (for someone with basic->intermediate knowledge of linux, bash, etc) for me to use as a more main OS, and remain reliable? as in, for school. :P | 21:47 |
| techMiles | also, this has become a regular Q&A session. lol.. | 21:48 |
| electricus | everybody has at least 2gb or ram these days.. | 21:48 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: you really ought to blog. :) | 21:48 |
| techMiles | electricus: for me, it isn't necessarily saving RAM, I have 6GB.. what I like about light desktops is that from bootup/login they're at a usable state faster. | 21:48 |
| electricus | techMiles: I run arch and it's ok.. i only have intermediate knowledge of linux | 21:49 |
| cyberanger | electricus: careful, I'm running this on a netbook, where the stock HDD is a solid state 2GB | 21:49 |
| electricus | :-) | 21:49 |
| cyberanger | and others use machines from 95, becuase the cost of 2005 is too high | 21:49 |
| cyberanger | or 2010 for that matter | 21:49 |
| electricus | arch is one of those systems that takes several weeks to really get it where you like it.. but after that.. you just pacman -Syu and it's actually quite stable.. | 21:50 |
| electricus | requires tinkering though | 21:50 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: I do alot without launching xorg, even quicker | 21:50 |
| electricus | there are times when I wonder if it's not a trade off.... arch+tinker.tinker.tinker.tinker.daily.tinker = ubuntu+reinstall every 6 months | 21:51 |
| cyberanger | mutt, lynx, vlc (ncurses interface) and presto | 21:51 |
| cyberanger | electricus: debian testing? | 21:51 |
| techMiles | electricus: idk why you feel you have to reinstall... I've done fine without reinstalling. | 21:51 |
| electricus | how many releases have you done the dist-upgrade techMiles? | 21:52 |
| cyberanger | there are times of pain, grub to grub2, but techMiles is right, it can go smooth | 21:52 |
| techMiles | 3-4, iirc. | 21:52 |
| cyberanger | electricus: dist-upgrade, as in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 21:52 |
| electricus | ok.. seems like they've got that nailed down pretty good now | 21:53 |
| electricus | yes cyberanger | 21:53 |
| electricus | isn't that how you upgrade your ubuntu to the next release? | 21:53 |
| cyberanger | no | 21:53 |
| electricus | ah..well it's been a long time | 21:54 |
| cyberanger | well, not that alone | 21:54 |
| electricus | last time i tried to do it was like in 8.04 or something | 21:54 |
| cyberanger | (that's just a gentler version of upgrade, more error checking) | 21:54 |
| techMiles | I typically use... hmm. | 21:54 |
| techMiles | what is it dist-upgrade -d ? | 21:54 |
| techMiles | where it upgrades to the beta/alpha release. :P | 21:55 |
| techMiles | the unsafe one. :) | 21:55 |
| cyberanger | -d, --download-only | 21:55 |
| cyberanger | do-release-upgrade --proposed | 21:56 |
| cyberanger | that's how it's supposed to be done | 21:56 |
| cyberanger | for a cli system | 21:56 |
| electricus | sorry guys..the boss has summoned me.. chat later :-) | 21:56 |
| techMiles | ttyl electricus | 21:56 |
| cyberanger | see ya electricus | 21:56 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: it is probably the latter. I just only remembered the -d, it seems. | 21:56 |
| cyberanger | (I've done some things outside that, update lucid then immedately switch all my sources.list entries to maverick and repeat) | 21:57 |
| techMiles | I think that's essentially what the last one I managed to do did. | 21:58 |
| techMiles | I'd love to start from the alternate download and work up. | 21:58 |
| techMiles | but i haven't had the time to do it just yet | 21:58 |
| techMiles | tried before school started. lol | 21:58 |
| cyberanger | the alternate installer just does a normal install, unless you hit f4 and select cli | 21:59 |
| techMiles | oh. the minimal installer | 21:59 |
| cyberanger | from there, when it's done, you've got a cli installer | 21:59 |
| techMiles | sorry. am doing cisco work atm so it's all mixed about | 22:00 |
| cyberanger | well, same fore the minimal too | 22:00 |
| cyberanger | the only difference between minimal and alternate is the alternate is bigger, but can be done offline | 22:00 |
| techMiles | what might you recommend for someoen wanting to dig further into linux distros, bash, etc, and be able to customize, while having a stable enough system that will remain stable. | 22:00 |
| cyberanger | the minimal is smaller, but must be online, to fetch packages online | 22:00 |
| cyberanger | well, that's an oxymoron in a way | 22:01 |
| cyberanger | the systems I did the most learning with were not stable | 22:01 |
| techMiles | yeah. | 22:01 |
| techMiles | sadly that's how it goes. | 22:01 |
| techMiles | but I don't have an alternative system to use for experimentation | 22:02 |
| cyberanger | becuase I messed with it to learn | 22:02 |
| techMiles | and if I have schoolk work, don't really have the availability of screwing something up and not being able to get the stuff done. | 22:02 |
| * cyberanger points to VirtualBox | 22:02 | |
| techMiles | ahh, yeah. | 22:03 |
| techMiles | I have that on here, actually. | 22:03 |
| techMiles | wheeee | 22:03 |
| cyberanger | you got 6GB of ram, grab a 64 bit alternate installer on break, do a cli install, get a small install going, enough for what you need, then add Virtualbox | 22:03 |
| cyberanger | leaves alot of CPU, RAM and HDD storage for Virtualbox left | 22:04 |
| techMiles | yeah. | 22:04 |
| techMiles | but yeah am doing CISCO notes for my exam tonight. lol | 22:05 |
| cyberanger | sudo apt-get install xorg openbox obconf obmenu nitrogen tint2 terminator alsa-utils vlc firefox xcompmgr thunderbird gedit | 22:06 |
| cyberanger | wicd-* | 22:06 |
| cyberanger | that should cover basic tools | 22:06 |
| cyberanger | openbox obconf obmenu, openbox and tools | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | wicd, a network manager | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | terminator, terminal | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | alsa-utils, sound and tools for it | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | xorg, graphical system, required by openbox | 22:08 |
| cyberanger | tint2 the tray #! uses | 22:08 |
| cyberanger | nitrogen, the wallpaper utility #! uses | 22:09 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: I think you know the rest | 22:09 |
| techMiles | yeah. | 22:09 |
| techMiles | xcompmgr ? | 22:09 |
| techMiles | I know all others but that. | 22:09 |
| cyberanger | oh, when you used terminator, did you have it transperent | 22:09 |
| cyberanger | (other tools like it too | 22:10 |
| cyberanger | it just handled some of the higer end graphics, but even a netbook, it's not resource happy) | 22:11 |
| techMiles | cool | 22:12 |
| techMiles | well damn | 22:12 |
| techMiles | I can't get ahold of my instructor to see if he's cancelling class or not | 22:13 |
| techMiles | due to weather | 22:13 |
| techMiles | the campus is ~1hr's drive away, so idk what the weather is up there, or how bad he considers it to be. | 22:13 |
| nairanvac | Hey, guys. I've got an audio issue. I was using Banshee the other day, and it froze up. I restarted my PC, and when I did, my sound was screwed. I only get static when sound plays. | 22:15 |
| cyberanger | what version of ubuntu | 22:18 |
| cyberanger | nairanvac: ^ | 22:18 |
| nairanvac | Oh, sorry | 22:19 |
| nairanvac | Hold on, lemme check again | 22:19 |
| nairanvac | I'm using an older version on Eeebuntu | 22:19 |
| nairanvac | I'm thinkin 9.10, but I'm about to confirm that | 22:20 |
| nairanvac | Nope, 9.04 | 22:21 |
| cyberanger | oh, Eeebuntu hrm | 22:21 |
| cyberanger | hang on then, gotta brush up on their setup | 22:21 |
| nairanvac | Cool, thanks a lot | 22:21 |
| nairanvac | The Eeebuntu version is 3.0 | 22:22 |
| cyberanger | kinda the headache of unoffical builds, they have so many options, can do so many different things (I like them myself, don't get me wrong) | 22:24 |
| nairanvac | Yeah, I feel you | 22:25 |
| nairanvac | I love this build | 22:25 |
| cyberanger | Eeebuntu 3.0 Standard | 22:29 |
| cyberanger | NBR | 22:29 |
| cyberanger | Base | 22:29 |
| cyberanger | LXDE (beta) | 22:29 |
| cyberanger | which one, by chance do you know | 22:30 |
| nairanvac | Base, I believe | 22:30 |
| cyberanger | what have you tried so far | 22:31 |
| nairanvac | Oh, wait | 22:31 |
| nairanvac | No | 22:31 |
| nairanvac | It's standard | 22:31 |
| nairanvac | I haven't known anything to try | 22:31 |
| cyberanger | ok | 22:32 |
| cyberanger | have you checked their support too | 22:36 |
| nairanvac | Eeebuntu's | 22:36 |
| nairanvac | ? | 22:37 |
| cyberanger | I just see all the tweakes, mixing ubuntu 9.04 with debian testing, I'm somewhat concerned of saying anything | 22:37 |
| cyberanger | unless you've Tried Eeebuntu first | 22:37 |
| nairanvac | Nah, I haven't yet | 22:37 |
| cyberanger | since they might have seen this issue before | 22:37 |
| nairanvac | Alright, I'll check with the, | 22:37 |
| nairanvac | them* | 22:37 |
| cyberanger | I'd be glad to help | 22:38 |
| nairanvac | It's just so strange how it happened, though | 22:38 |
| cyberanger | but I allways help with the best option first | 22:38 |
| nairanvac | Banshee froze up my whole PC, then when i restarted, I just get weird static | 22:38 |
| cyberanger | and the best option in this case is support from the developers | 22:38 |
| nairanvac | Alrighty. Thanks a lot. I'll hop on over to their IRC channel real quick. :) | 22:39 |
| cyberanger | the reason it's that odd is exactly why I'm holding back my ideas for the moment | 22:39 |
| cyberanger | if they can't help, let us know, we'll try something different | 22:39 |
| cyberanger | your quite welcome | 22:40 |
| nairanvac | Okay, apparently there's not an IRC channel for it | 22:41 |
| nairanvac | That sucks | 22:41 |
| nairanvac | Doing some Googling around, and it seems Eeebuntu has turned into a new project, Aurora | 22:42 |
| nairanvac | Maybe I'll just back up my home folder and upgrade | 22:42 |
| chris4585 | anyone going to try this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbfammmagchhaohncbhghoohcfoeckdi# | 22:45 |
| cyberanger | nairanvac: well, they had to, Canonical has been enforcing their trademark a bit more | 22:45 |
| cyberanger | lately | 22:45 |
| nairanvac | Yeah, makes sense. The new version looks pretty slick, anyways | 22:46 |
| nairanvac | chris4585: That looks interesting. Maybe I'll give Chrome a shot again and try it | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | it's more likely a new name | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | nairanvac: nope, and I'd avoid it myself | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | seems like a privacy risk | 22:47 |
| nairanvac | Using any Google product is a privacy risk, I'd think | 22:47 |
| chris4585 | lol I thought everyone used chrome | 22:47 |
| nairanvac | My FF extensions have kept me loyal | 22:47 |
| wrst | hello nairanvac ! | 23:25 |
| nairanvac | Sup? | 23:26 |
| wrst | not much you doing ok, i see you have been chatting with cyberanger and chris4585, chris4585 is ok but watch out for cyberanger :) | 23:26 |
| nairanvac | Haha, good to know. He seems like a trouble maker. ;) | 23:26 |
| wrst | oh yes if you only knew ;) | 23:27 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you know, anyone using alternate builds is trouble for ubuntu ;-) | 23:28 |
| wrst | yes i am not familiar wih eeubuntu or eeebuntu or what was it | 23:28 |
| wrst | did netbook edition take its place? | 23:29 |
| wrst | me thinks there are almost as many ubuntu versions as their were vista versions :\ | 23:29 |
| wrst | hmmm | 23:29 |
| * wrst | 23:29 | |
| wrst | :) | 23:29 |
| wrst | virtual box works in natty! | 23:29 |
| wrst | finally | 23:29 |
| cyberanger | eeebuntu wasn't offical | 23:30 |
| cyberanger | netbook remix became netbook edition | 23:31 |
| wrst | ahh ok | 23:31 |
| wrst | thanks for clearing that up so i will forget it again soon! | 23:31 |
| wrst | cyberanger: unity is getting better | 23:33 |
| cyberanger | soon huh | 23:34 |
| * cyberanger wonders how wrst defines soon, guess I'll let him sleep on it | 23:35 | |
| wrst | now is soon from then cyberanger :) | 23:35 |
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