[00:00] <cyberanger> I thought natty was too new for a default
[01:47] <techMiles> wrst: am around now
[01:52] <wrst> techMiles you trying out Quassel?
[01:53] <techMiles> sorta. :)
[01:53] <techMiles> am using both atm.
[01:53] <wrst> the client and the remote core?
[01:53] <techMiles> hah. oops. accidentally joined #ubuntu-tn-us .
[01:53] <techMiles> wrst: nah. the mono build for winderz
[01:53] <techMiles> atm
[01:54] <techMiles> brb
[01:54] <wrst> thats ok but the client/core is awesome
[01:56] <cyberanger1> Techmiles: that'd do it
[01:58] <wrst> wb cyberanger
[02:03] <cyberanger1> Wrst: corrupt connectbot (nothing to fear on your end, isolated incedent) didn't realize until after I left
[02:03] <cyberanger1> Cyberanger is also here, idly logging my misfortune
[02:04] <cyberanger1> Or not? Idk, I don't see him here
[02:05] <cyberanger1> Hrm
[02:06] <cyberanger1> I'll have to see what happened
[02:09] <wrst> well glad you are here cyberanger
[02:14] <cyberanger> This is not my week
[02:15] <cyberanger> Added a 2nd static ip, issue relates to that
[02:15] <wrst> ahh cool on the second ip
[02:16] <cyberanger> Know what to fix, unlike normal, I can't, connectbot issue nuked my key, have to fix that first
[02:17] <techMiles> connectbot?
[02:17] <cyberanger> I'm running a tier 2 opennic dns server, figured it'd help if a dos occured to have a backup
[02:18] <cyberanger> Techmiles: android ssh client
[02:18] <techMiles> Ahhh
[02:22] <cyberanger> Very good, I just did something odd
[02:26] <wrst> techmiles im connected using connectbot now
[02:26] <techMiles> lol
[02:36] <cyberanger> Like I said in different words, "my fault"
[02:50] <techMiles> anybody know anything 'bout eggdrops in here?
[02:55] <cyberanger> G2G
[02:55] <cyberanger> Techmiles hng on
[02:55] <techMiles> np
[02:56] <cyberanger> I'm gonna disconnect, cell cvg
[03:06] <Juzzy> I know * about eggdrops
[03:07] <Juzzy> I used to crack botnets in a previous life
[03:09] <techMiles> lol
[03:09] <techMiles> :)
[03:09] <techMiles> TEACH
[03:09] <Juzzy> It's not an easy art
[03:10] <Juzzy> you need to know asm, tcl hooks, gdb, encryption basics, etc
[03:22] <techMiles> how about how to have them use mysql db's? as opposed to flatfile db's ?
[03:59] <techMiles312> so, wrst aside from the client-to-core connection and being able to connect anywhere, what advantages does quassel present over using, say, xchat with a bnc?
[03:59] <wrst> that's about it as a client i think it is good but not anything special
[04:00] <techMiles312> http://quassel-irc.org/node/104   what is the top-half of this messages/channel screen?
[04:00] <techMiles312> it notes channels, etc..
[04:00] <techMiles312> but multiple ones
[04:01] <wrst> yeah i never used that always confused me :)
[04:01] <techMiles312> do you know wht it is? lol
[04:05] <wrst> I think so you can monitor two.channels at once
[04:07] <techMiles> two+ channels?'
[04:07] <techMiles> an interesting concept..
[04:08] <techMiles> hmm
[04:10] <techMiles> wb cyberanger
[04:13] <cyberanger> hey techMiles
[05:00] <cyberanger> I think I've got everything fixed
[05:00] <cyberanger> except I still don't have my 2nd IP
[05:01] <cyberanger> but I'll work on that when I have a whole day to screw with it
[05:40] <cyberanger> techMiles: what was your question earier
[05:40] <techMiles> if anyone knew anything about eggdrops
[05:40] <cyberanger> ah, very very little
[05:41] <techMiles> crap. I might have to cobble a way to compile this xchat plugin.
[20:12] <wrst> hello
[21:18] <cyberanger> ¡Hola Señor wrst !
[21:22] <electricus> hey guys
[21:23] <cyberanger> ¡Hola Señor electricus !
[21:24] <electricus> hello cyberanger
[21:24] <cyberanger> hows things
[21:24] <electricus> i'm freezing in my office
[21:25] <electricus> i'm in a finished basement with basically no conditioning
[21:25] <electricus> so it's a whopp'n 65 degrees at best. a tad chilly for me
[21:25] <electricus> my fingers especially
[21:26] <electricus> space heater is at full tilt
[21:31] <cyberanger> yikes
[21:31] <electricus> is ubuntu going to a rolling release model?
[21:32] <cyberanger> they haven't yet
[21:32] <cyberanger> there are reports, rumours
[21:32] <cyberanger> so on
[21:32] <electricus> well..there's been talk about it and some articles have seemingly hinted at it.. but I didn't think so.. although i wish they would
[21:33] <electricus> it sucks having to blast your whole os and set up everthing 'again'
[21:33] <cyberanger> well, I've just learned that until it happens, it's hard to believe
[21:33] <electricus> the distro version upgrade doesn't work either
[21:34] <cyberanger> yeah, I don't have that issue, but my build is more like debian testing than ubuntu
[21:34] <cyberanger> ubuntu alternate installer, cli install
[21:34] <cyberanger> apt-get a few things
[21:34] <electricus> how did you do that?
[21:34] <cyberanger> openbox, wicd, so on
[21:35] <electricus> ah.. you can use the non-graphical install and get more options etc?
[21:36] <electricus> like the good ol' non-graphical installer
[21:36] <electricus> for debian
[21:36] <cyberanger> grab the ubuntu alternate installer, hit f4, it's on normal, go to cli
[21:36] <cyberanger> yeah, however debian's allows for even finer control
[21:36] <electricus> ahh.
[21:37] <electricus> so why do you like to run ubuntu that way rather than just use debian?
[21:37] <cyberanger> I do run debian
[21:37] <electricus> lol.. well you know what i mean
[21:37] <cyberanger> I just also run backtrack linux crunchbang and others
[21:38] <electricus> why don't you just run 'raw' debian instead of ubuntu
[21:38] <cyberanger> but ubuntu and variants are what I help others with
[21:38] <cyberanger> from install to wvdial
[21:38] <cyberanger> or gnome-ppp
[21:38] <electricus> i see.
[21:39] <electricus> i also run win-vista, ubuntu, backtrack, and arch on my laptop
[21:39] <cyberanger> unlike a drug dealer, I don't mind using my product, I show others it works
[21:39] <electricus> ya..totally
[21:39] <cyberanger> and that helps get others on linux
[21:40] <electricus> each os has it's advantages/dis
[21:41] <electricus> what i really do like about ubuntu is 'it just works' 98% of the time :-)
[21:41] <cyberanger> yeah, but the biggest disadvantage is being clueless, it magnifies any other issue
[21:41] <electricus> but their forums/wiki aren't really that great..
[21:41] <cyberanger> so for the 2% of the time, I know ubuntu and debian
[21:42] <cyberanger> but I don't necessarlly have to hand hold ubuntu, as much as debian
[21:43] <techMiles> that's true.
[21:43] <electricus> ya.. they put a lot of work into making ubuntu 'just work' for most people which is why it's so great.. and you don't have to take forever compiling a bunch of stuff or configuring conf files and all that..
[21:43] <cyberanger> yeah, that's kinda flawed, when linuxjournal.com has more info on your distro, than your distro's own support
[21:43] <techMiles> cyberanger: I'd love to learn more about your finder-tuned setup so I could apply it whenever I redo this desktop once my finals are over.
[21:43] <techMiles> I'd like to be able to use the WM that crunchbang uses.
[21:44] <electricus> pretty soon i'm going to wipe out my ubuntu 10.4 partition and go to 10.10
[21:44] <techMiles> and be able to start without all the extra stuff-- install only what I want. I don't play any of the games ubuntu comes with, etc. but if you uninstall enough of them, it wants to remove the whole GUI
[21:44] <techMiles> well, GNOME.
[21:44] <cyberanger> electricus: why not a system upgrade
[21:44] <techMiles> so it revers to the Debian default.
[21:44] <electricus> that's where it gets tricky
[21:45] <cyberanger> techMiles: well, I start with no gui, ground up, not tear down
[21:45] <electricus> ya.. i'd like to install ubuntu without any of the social networking stuff or ubuntu one and such
[21:45] <techMiles> cyberanger: that's what I did.
[21:45] <electricus> just give me linux and gnome
[21:45] <techMiles> but when you do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop......
[21:46] <techMiles> it doesn't give you JUST the bare essentials.
[21:46] <cyberanger> electricus: that is doable, just a bit of a pain
[21:46] <techMiles> crunchbang uses... er.. fluxbox?
[21:46] <cyberanger> techMiles: same
[21:46] <cyberanger> crunchbang was just openbox
[21:46] <techMiles> ahhh openbox
[21:46] <techMiles> I knew it was a ????box
[21:46] <cyberanger> corenomial has gone into xfce too now
[21:47] <electricus> i've used light desktops and such.. but honestly by the time you run a browser and other apps.. you are using just as much ram .. just run a real desktop like gnome :-)
[21:47] <techMiles> cyberanger: I've heard a bit about arch lately... would it be stable enough (for someone with basic->intermediate knowledge of linux, bash, etc) for me to use as a more main OS, and remain reliable? as in, for school. :P
[21:48] <techMiles> also, this has become a regular Q&A session. lol..
[21:48] <electricus> everybody has at least 2gb or ram these days..
[21:48] <techMiles> cyberanger: you really ought to blog. :)
[21:48] <techMiles> electricus: for me, it isn't necessarily saving RAM, I have 6GB.. what I like about light desktops is that from bootup/login they're at a usable state faster.
[21:49] <electricus> techMiles: I run arch and it's ok.. i only have intermediate knowledge of linux
[21:49] <cyberanger> electricus: careful, I'm running this on a netbook, where the stock HDD is a solid state 2GB
[21:49] <electricus> :-)
[21:49] <cyberanger> and others use machines from 95, becuase the cost of 2005 is too high
[21:49] <cyberanger> or 2010 for that matter
[21:50] <electricus> arch is one of those systems that takes several weeks to really get it where you like it.. but after that.. you just pacman -Syu and it's actually quite stable..
[21:50] <electricus> requires tinkering though
[21:50] <cyberanger> techMiles: I do alot without launching xorg, even quicker
[21:51] <electricus> there are times when I wonder if it's not a trade off.... arch+tinker.tinker.tinker.tinker.daily.tinker = ubuntu+reinstall every 6 months
[21:51] <cyberanger> mutt, lynx, vlc (ncurses interface) and presto
[21:51] <cyberanger> electricus: debian testing?
[21:51] <techMiles> electricus: idk why you feel you have to reinstall... I've done fine without reinstalling.
[21:52] <electricus> how many releases have you done the dist-upgrade techMiles?
[21:52] <cyberanger> there are times of pain, grub to grub2, but techMiles is right, it can go smooth
[21:52] <techMiles> 3-4, iirc.
[21:52] <cyberanger> electricus: dist-upgrade, as in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:53] <electricus> ok.. seems like they've got that nailed down pretty good now
[21:53] <electricus> yes cyberanger
[21:53] <electricus> isn't that how you upgrade your ubuntu to the next release?
[21:53] <cyberanger> no
[21:54] <electricus> ah..well it's been a long time
[21:54] <cyberanger> well, not that alone
[21:54] <electricus> last time i tried to do it was like in 8.04 or something
[21:54] <cyberanger> (that's just a gentler version of upgrade, more error checking)
[21:54] <techMiles> I typically use... hmm.
[21:54] <techMiles> what is it dist-upgrade -d ?
[21:55] <techMiles> where it upgrades to the beta/alpha release. :P
[21:55] <techMiles> the unsafe one. :)
[21:55] <cyberanger> -d, --download-only
[21:56] <cyberanger> do-release-upgrade --proposed
[21:56] <cyberanger> that's how it's supposed to be done
[21:56] <cyberanger> for a cli system
[21:56] <electricus> sorry guys..the boss has summoned me.. chat later :-)
[21:56] <techMiles> ttyl electricus
[21:56] <cyberanger> see ya electricus
[21:56] <techMiles> cyberanger: it is probably the latter. I just only remembered the -d, it seems.
[21:57] <cyberanger> (I've done some things outside that, update lucid then immedately switch all my sources.list entries to maverick and repeat)
[21:58] <techMiles> I think that's essentially what the last one I managed to do did.
[21:58] <techMiles> I'd love to start from the alternate download and work up.
[21:58] <techMiles> but i haven't had the time to do it just yet
[21:58] <techMiles> tried before school started. lol
[21:59] <cyberanger> the alternate installer just does a normal install, unless you hit f4 and select cli
[21:59] <techMiles> oh. the minimal installer
[21:59] <cyberanger> from there, when it's done, you've got a cli installer
[22:00] <techMiles> sorry. am doing cisco work atm so it's all  mixed about
[22:00] <cyberanger> well, same fore the minimal too
[22:00] <cyberanger> the only difference between minimal and alternate is the alternate is bigger, but can be done offline
[22:00] <techMiles> what might you recommend for someoen wanting to dig further into linux distros, bash, etc, and be able to customize, while having a stable enough system that will remain stable.
[22:00] <cyberanger> the minimal is smaller, but must be online, to fetch packages online
[22:01] <cyberanger> well, that's an oxymoron in a way
[22:01] <cyberanger> the systems I did the most learning with were not stable
[22:01] <techMiles> yeah.
[22:01] <techMiles> sadly that's how it goes.
[22:02] <techMiles> but I don't have an alternative system to use for experimentation
[22:02] <cyberanger> becuase I messed with it to learn
[22:02] <techMiles> and if I have schoolk work, don't really have the availability of screwing something up and not being able to get the stuff done.
[22:02]  * cyberanger points to VirtualBox
[22:03] <techMiles> ahh, yeah.
[22:03] <techMiles> I have that on here, actually.
[22:03] <techMiles> wheeee
[22:03] <cyberanger> you got 6GB of ram, grab a 64 bit alternate installer on break, do a cli install, get a small install going, enough for what you need, then add Virtualbox
[22:04] <cyberanger> leaves alot of CPU, RAM and HDD storage for Virtualbox left
[22:04] <techMiles> yeah.
[22:05] <techMiles> but yeah am doing CISCO notes for my exam tonight. lol
[22:06] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get install xorg openbox obconf obmenu nitrogen tint2 terminator alsa-utils vlc firefox xcompmgr thunderbird gedit
[22:06] <cyberanger> wicd-*
[22:06] <cyberanger> that should cover basic tools
[22:07] <cyberanger> openbox obconf obmenu, openbox and tools
[22:07] <cyberanger> wicd, a network manager
[22:07] <cyberanger> terminator, terminal
[22:07] <cyberanger> alsa-utils, sound and tools for it
[22:08] <cyberanger> xorg, graphical system, required by openbox
[22:08] <cyberanger> tint2 the tray #! uses
[22:09] <cyberanger> nitrogen, the wallpaper utility #! uses
[22:09] <cyberanger> techMiles: I think you know the rest
[22:09] <techMiles>  yeah.
[22:09] <techMiles> xcompmgr ?
[22:09] <techMiles> I know all others but that.
[22:09] <cyberanger> oh, when you used terminator, did you have it transperent
[22:10] <cyberanger> (other tools like it too
[22:11] <cyberanger> it just handled some of the higer end graphics, but even a netbook, it's not resource happy)
[22:12] <techMiles> cool
[22:12] <techMiles> well damn
[22:13] <techMiles> I can't get ahold of my instructor to see if he's cancelling class or not
[22:13] <techMiles> due to weather
[22:13] <techMiles> the campus is ~1hr's drive away, so idk what the weather is up there, or how bad he considers it to be.
[22:15] <nairanvac> Hey, guys.  I've got an audio issue.  I was using Banshee the other day, and it froze up.  I restarted my PC, and when I did, my sound was screwed.  I only get static when sound plays.
[22:18] <cyberanger> what version of ubuntu
[22:18] <cyberanger> nairanvac: ^
[22:19] <nairanvac> Oh, sorry
[22:19] <nairanvac> Hold on, lemme check again
[22:19] <nairanvac> I'm using an older version on Eeebuntu
[22:20] <nairanvac> I'm thinkin 9.10, but I'm about to confirm that
[22:21] <nairanvac> Nope, 9.04
[22:21] <cyberanger> oh, Eeebuntu hrm
[22:21] <cyberanger> hang on then, gotta brush up on their setup
[22:21] <nairanvac> Cool, thanks a lot
[22:22] <nairanvac> The Eeebuntu version is 3.0
[22:24] <cyberanger> kinda the headache of unoffical builds, they have so many options, can do so many different things (I like them myself, don't get me wrong)
[22:25] <nairanvac> Yeah, I feel you
[22:25] <nairanvac> I love this build
[22:29] <cyberanger> Eeebuntu 3.0 Standard
[22:29] <cyberanger> NBR
[22:29] <cyberanger> Base
[22:29] <cyberanger> LXDE (beta)
[22:30] <cyberanger> which one, by chance do you know
[22:30] <nairanvac> Base, I believe
[22:31] <cyberanger> what have you tried so far
[22:31] <nairanvac> Oh, wait
[22:31] <nairanvac> No
[22:31] <nairanvac> It's standard
[22:31] <nairanvac> I haven't known anything to try
[22:32] <cyberanger> ok
[22:36] <cyberanger> have you checked their support too
[22:36] <nairanvac> Eeebuntu's
[22:37] <nairanvac> ?
[22:37] <cyberanger> I just see all the tweakes, mixing ubuntu 9.04 with debian testing, I'm somewhat concerned of saying anything
[22:37] <cyberanger> unless you've Tried Eeebuntu first
[22:37] <nairanvac> Nah, I haven't yet
[22:37] <cyberanger> since they might have seen this issue before
[22:37] <nairanvac> Alright, I'll check with the,
[22:37] <nairanvac> them*
[22:38] <cyberanger> I'd be glad to help
[22:38] <nairanvac> It's just so strange how it happened, though
[22:38] <cyberanger> but I allways help with the best option first
[22:38] <nairanvac> Banshee froze up my whole PC, then when i restarted, I just get weird static
[22:38] <cyberanger> and the best option in this case is support from the developers
[22:39] <nairanvac> Alrighty.  Thanks a lot.  I'll hop on over to their IRC channel real quick. :)
[22:39] <cyberanger> the reason it's that odd is exactly why I'm holding back my ideas for the moment
[22:39] <cyberanger> if they can't help, let us know, we'll try something different
[22:40] <cyberanger> your quite welcome
[22:41] <nairanvac> Okay, apparently there's not an IRC channel for it
[22:41] <nairanvac> That sucks
[22:42] <nairanvac> Doing some Googling around, and it seems Eeebuntu has turned into a new project, Aurora
[22:42] <nairanvac> Maybe I'll just back up my home folder and upgrade
[22:45] <chris4585> anyone going to try this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbfammmagchhaohncbhghoohcfoeckdi#
[22:45] <cyberanger> nairanvac: well, they had to, Canonical has been enforcing their trademark a bit more
[22:45] <cyberanger> lately
[22:46] <nairanvac> Yeah, makes sense.  The new version looks pretty slick, anyways
[22:46] <nairanvac> chris4585: That looks interesting.  Maybe I'll give Chrome a shot again and try it
[22:46] <cyberanger> it's more likely a new name
[22:46] <cyberanger> nairanvac: nope, and I'd avoid it myself
[22:47] <cyberanger> seems like a privacy risk
[22:47] <nairanvac> Using any Google product is a privacy risk, I'd think
[22:47] <chris4585> lol I thought everyone used chrome
[22:47] <nairanvac> My FF extensions have kept me loyal
[23:25] <wrst> hello nairanvac !
[23:26] <nairanvac> Sup?
[23:26] <wrst> not much you doing ok, i see you have been chatting with cyberanger  and chris4585, chris4585 is ok but watch out for cyberanger  :)
[23:26] <nairanvac> Haha, good to know.  He seems like a trouble maker.  ;)
[23:27] <wrst> oh yes if you only knew ;)
[23:28] <cyberanger> wrst: you know, anyone using alternate builds is trouble for ubuntu ;-)
[23:28] <wrst> yes i am not familiar wih eeubuntu or eeebuntu or what was it
[23:29] <wrst> did netbook edition take its place?
[23:29] <wrst> me thinks there are almost as many ubuntu versions as their were vista versions :\
[23:29] <wrst> hmmm
[23:29]  * wrst 
[23:29] <wrst> :)
[23:29] <wrst> virtual box works in natty!
[23:29] <wrst> finally
[23:30] <cyberanger> eeebuntu wasn't offical
[23:31] <cyberanger> netbook remix became netbook edition
[23:31] <wrst> ahh ok
[23:31] <wrst> thanks for clearing that up so i will forget it again soon!
[23:33] <wrst> cyberanger: unity is getting better
[23:34] <cyberanger> soon huh
[23:35]  * cyberanger wonders how wrst defines soon, guess I'll let him sleep on it
[23:35] <wrst> now is soon from then cyberanger  :)