[00:00] I thought natty was too new for a default [01:47] wrst: am around now === cyberanger is now known as cyberanger1 [01:52] techMiles you trying out Quassel? [01:53] sorta. :) [01:53] am using both atm. [01:53] the client and the remote core? [01:53] hah. oops. accidentally joined #ubuntu-tn-us . [01:53] wrst: nah. the mono build for winderz [01:53] atm [01:54] brb [01:54] thats ok but the client/core is awesome [01:56] Techmiles: that'd do it [01:58] wb cyberanger [02:03] Wrst: corrupt connectbot (nothing to fear on your end, isolated incedent) didn't realize until after I left [02:03] Cyberanger is also here, idly logging my misfortune [02:04] Or not? Idk, I don't see him here [02:05] Hrm [02:06] I'll have to see what happened [02:09] well glad you are here cyberanger === cyberanger1 is now known as cyberanger [02:14] This is not my week [02:15] Added a 2nd static ip, issue relates to that [02:15] ahh cool on the second ip [02:16] Know what to fix, unlike normal, I can't, connectbot issue nuked my key, have to fix that first [02:17] connectbot? [02:17] I'm running a tier 2 opennic dns server, figured it'd help if a dos occured to have a backup [02:18] Techmiles: android ssh client [02:18] Ahhh [02:22] Very good, I just did something odd [02:26] techmiles im connected using connectbot now [02:26] lol [02:36] Like I said in different words, "my fault" [02:50] anybody know anything 'bout eggdrops in here? [02:55] G2G [02:55] Techmiles hng on [02:55] np [02:56] I'm gonna disconnect, cell cvg [03:06] I know * about eggdrops [03:07] I used to crack botnets in a previous life [03:09] lol [03:09] :) [03:09] TEACH [03:09] It's not an easy art [03:10] you need to know asm, tcl hooks, gdb, encryption basics, etc [03:22] how about how to have them use mysql db's? as opposed to flatfile db's ? [03:59] so, wrst aside from the client-to-core connection and being able to connect anywhere, what advantages does quassel present over using, say, xchat with a bnc? [03:59] that's about it as a client i think it is good but not anything special [04:00] http://quassel-irc.org/node/104 what is the top-half of this messages/channel screen? [04:00] it notes channels, etc.. [04:00] but multiple ones [04:01] yeah i never used that always confused me :) [04:01] do you know wht it is? lol [04:05] I think so you can monitor two.channels at once [04:07] two+ channels?' [04:07] an interesting concept.. [04:08] hmm === cyberanger1 is now known as cyberanger [04:10] wb cyberanger [04:13] hey techMiles [05:00] I think I've got everything fixed [05:00] except I still don't have my 2nd IP [05:01] but I'll work on that when I have a whole day to screw with it [05:40] techMiles: what was your question earier [05:40] if anyone knew anything about eggdrops [05:40] ah, very very little [05:41] crap. I might have to cobble a way to compile this xchat plugin. [20:12] hello [21:18] ¡Hola Señor wrst ! [21:22] hey guys [21:23] ¡Hola Señor electricus ! [21:24] hello cyberanger [21:24] hows things [21:24] i'm freezing in my office [21:25] i'm in a finished basement with basically no conditioning [21:25] so it's a whopp'n 65 degrees at best. a tad chilly for me [21:25] my fingers especially [21:26] space heater is at full tilt [21:31] yikes [21:31] is ubuntu going to a rolling release model? [21:32] they haven't yet [21:32] there are reports, rumours [21:32] so on [21:32] well..there's been talk about it and some articles have seemingly hinted at it.. but I didn't think so.. although i wish they would [21:33] it sucks having to blast your whole os and set up everthing 'again' [21:33] well, I've just learned that until it happens, it's hard to believe [21:33] the distro version upgrade doesn't work either [21:34] yeah, I don't have that issue, but my build is more like debian testing than ubuntu [21:34] ubuntu alternate installer, cli install [21:34] apt-get a few things [21:34] how did you do that? [21:34] openbox, wicd, so on [21:35] ah.. you can use the non-graphical install and get more options etc? [21:36] like the good ol' non-graphical installer [21:36] for debian [21:36] grab the ubuntu alternate installer, hit f4, it's on normal, go to cli [21:36] yeah, however debian's allows for even finer control [21:36] ahh. [21:37] so why do you like to run ubuntu that way rather than just use debian? [21:37] I do run debian [21:37] lol.. well you know what i mean [21:37] I just also run backtrack linux crunchbang and others [21:38] why don't you just run 'raw' debian instead of ubuntu [21:38] but ubuntu and variants are what I help others with [21:38] from install to wvdial [21:38] or gnome-ppp [21:38] i see. [21:39] i also run win-vista, ubuntu, backtrack, and arch on my laptop [21:39] unlike a drug dealer, I don't mind using my product, I show others it works [21:39] ya..totally [21:39] and that helps get others on linux [21:40] each os has it's advantages/dis [21:41] what i really do like about ubuntu is 'it just works' 98% of the time :-) [21:41] yeah, but the biggest disadvantage is being clueless, it magnifies any other issue [21:41] but their forums/wiki aren't really that great.. [21:41] so for the 2% of the time, I know ubuntu and debian [21:42] but I don't necessarlly have to hand hold ubuntu, as much as debian [21:43] that's true. [21:43] ya.. they put a lot of work into making ubuntu 'just work' for most people which is why it's so great.. and you don't have to take forever compiling a bunch of stuff or configuring conf files and all that.. [21:43] yeah, that's kinda flawed, when linuxjournal.com has more info on your distro, than your distro's own support [21:43] cyberanger: I'd love to learn more about your finder-tuned setup so I could apply it whenever I redo this desktop once my finals are over. [21:43] I'd like to be able to use the WM that crunchbang uses. [21:44] pretty soon i'm going to wipe out my ubuntu 10.4 partition and go to 10.10 [21:44] and be able to start without all the extra stuff-- install only what I want. I don't play any of the games ubuntu comes with, etc. but if you uninstall enough of them, it wants to remove the whole GUI [21:44] well, GNOME. [21:44] electricus: why not a system upgrade [21:44] so it revers to the Debian default. [21:44] that's where it gets tricky [21:45] techMiles: well, I start with no gui, ground up, not tear down [21:45] ya.. i'd like to install ubuntu without any of the social networking stuff or ubuntu one and such [21:45] cyberanger: that's what I did. [21:45] just give me linux and gnome [21:45] but when you do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop...... [21:46] it doesn't give you JUST the bare essentials. [21:46] electricus: that is doable, just a bit of a pain [21:46] crunchbang uses... er.. fluxbox? [21:46] techMiles: same [21:46] crunchbang was just openbox [21:46] ahhh openbox [21:46] I knew it was a ????box [21:46] corenomial has gone into xfce too now [21:47] i've used light desktops and such.. but honestly by the time you run a browser and other apps.. you are using just as much ram .. just run a real desktop like gnome :-) [21:47] cyberanger: I've heard a bit about arch lately... would it be stable enough (for someone with basic->intermediate knowledge of linux, bash, etc) for me to use as a more main OS, and remain reliable? as in, for school. :P [21:48] also, this has become a regular Q&A session. lol.. [21:48] everybody has at least 2gb or ram these days.. [21:48] cyberanger: you really ought to blog. :) [21:48] electricus: for me, it isn't necessarily saving RAM, I have 6GB.. what I like about light desktops is that from bootup/login they're at a usable state faster. [21:49] techMiles: I run arch and it's ok.. i only have intermediate knowledge of linux [21:49] electricus: careful, I'm running this on a netbook, where the stock HDD is a solid state 2GB [21:49] :-) [21:49] and others use machines from 95, becuase the cost of 2005 is too high [21:49] or 2010 for that matter [21:50] arch is one of those systems that takes several weeks to really get it where you like it.. but after that.. you just pacman -Syu and it's actually quite stable.. [21:50] requires tinkering though [21:50] techMiles: I do alot without launching xorg, even quicker [21:51] there are times when I wonder if it's not a trade off.... arch+tinker.tinker.tinker.tinker.daily.tinker = ubuntu+reinstall every 6 months [21:51] mutt, lynx, vlc (ncurses interface) and presto [21:51] electricus: debian testing? [21:51] electricus: idk why you feel you have to reinstall... I've done fine without reinstalling. [21:52] how many releases have you done the dist-upgrade techMiles? [21:52] there are times of pain, grub to grub2, but techMiles is right, it can go smooth [21:52] 3-4, iirc. [21:52] electricus: dist-upgrade, as in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [21:53] ok.. seems like they've got that nailed down pretty good now [21:53] yes cyberanger [21:53] isn't that how you upgrade your ubuntu to the next release? [21:53] no [21:54] ah..well it's been a long time [21:54] well, not that alone [21:54] last time i tried to do it was like in 8.04 or something [21:54] (that's just a gentler version of upgrade, more error checking) [21:54] I typically use... hmm. [21:54] what is it dist-upgrade -d ? [21:55] where it upgrades to the beta/alpha release. :P [21:55] the unsafe one. :) [21:55] -d, --download-only [21:56] do-release-upgrade --proposed [21:56] that's how it's supposed to be done [21:56] for a cli system [21:56] sorry guys..the boss has summoned me.. chat later :-) [21:56] ttyl electricus [21:56] see ya electricus [21:56] cyberanger: it is probably the latter. I just only remembered the -d, it seems. [21:57] (I've done some things outside that, update lucid then immedately switch all my sources.list entries to maverick and repeat) [21:58] I think that's essentially what the last one I managed to do did. [21:58] I'd love to start from the alternate download and work up. [21:58] but i haven't had the time to do it just yet [21:58] tried before school started. lol [21:59] the alternate installer just does a normal install, unless you hit f4 and select cli [21:59] oh. the minimal installer [21:59] from there, when it's done, you've got a cli installer [22:00] sorry. am doing cisco work atm so it's all mixed about [22:00] well, same fore the minimal too [22:00] the only difference between minimal and alternate is the alternate is bigger, but can be done offline [22:00] what might you recommend for someoen wanting to dig further into linux distros, bash, etc, and be able to customize, while having a stable enough system that will remain stable. [22:00] the minimal is smaller, but must be online, to fetch packages online [22:01] well, that's an oxymoron in a way [22:01] the systems I did the most learning with were not stable [22:01] yeah. [22:01] sadly that's how it goes. [22:02] but I don't have an alternative system to use for experimentation [22:02] becuase I messed with it to learn [22:02] and if I have schoolk work, don't really have the availability of screwing something up and not being able to get the stuff done. [22:02] * cyberanger points to VirtualBox [22:03] ahh, yeah. [22:03] I have that on here, actually. [22:03] wheeee [22:03] you got 6GB of ram, grab a 64 bit alternate installer on break, do a cli install, get a small install going, enough for what you need, then add Virtualbox [22:04] leaves alot of CPU, RAM and HDD storage for Virtualbox left [22:04] yeah. [22:05] but yeah am doing CISCO notes for my exam tonight. lol [22:06] sudo apt-get install xorg openbox obconf obmenu nitrogen tint2 terminator alsa-utils vlc firefox xcompmgr thunderbird gedit [22:06] wicd-* [22:06] that should cover basic tools [22:07] openbox obconf obmenu, openbox and tools [22:07] wicd, a network manager [22:07] terminator, terminal [22:07] alsa-utils, sound and tools for it [22:08] xorg, graphical system, required by openbox [22:08] tint2 the tray #! uses [22:09] nitrogen, the wallpaper utility #! uses [22:09] techMiles: I think you know the rest [22:09] yeah. [22:09] xcompmgr ? [22:09] I know all others but that. [22:09] oh, when you used terminator, did you have it transperent [22:10] (other tools like it too [22:11] it just handled some of the higer end graphics, but even a netbook, it's not resource happy) [22:12] cool [22:12] well damn [22:13] I can't get ahold of my instructor to see if he's cancelling class or not [22:13] due to weather [22:13] the campus is ~1hr's drive away, so idk what the weather is up there, or how bad he considers it to be. [22:15] Hey, guys. I've got an audio issue. I was using Banshee the other day, and it froze up. I restarted my PC, and when I did, my sound was screwed. I only get static when sound plays. [22:18] what version of ubuntu [22:18] nairanvac: ^ [22:19] Oh, sorry [22:19] Hold on, lemme check again [22:19] I'm using an older version on Eeebuntu [22:20] I'm thinkin 9.10, but I'm about to confirm that [22:21] Nope, 9.04 [22:21] oh, Eeebuntu hrm [22:21] hang on then, gotta brush up on their setup [22:21] Cool, thanks a lot [22:22] The Eeebuntu version is 3.0 [22:24] kinda the headache of unoffical builds, they have so many options, can do so many different things (I like them myself, don't get me wrong) [22:25] Yeah, I feel you [22:25] I love this build [22:29] Eeebuntu 3.0 Standard [22:29] NBR [22:29] Base [22:29] LXDE (beta) [22:30] which one, by chance do you know [22:30] Base, I believe [22:31] what have you tried so far [22:31] Oh, wait [22:31] No [22:31] It's standard [22:31] I haven't known anything to try [22:32] ok [22:36] have you checked their support too [22:36] Eeebuntu's [22:37] ? [22:37] I just see all the tweakes, mixing ubuntu 9.04 with debian testing, I'm somewhat concerned of saying anything [22:37] unless you've Tried Eeebuntu first [22:37] Nah, I haven't yet [22:37] since they might have seen this issue before [22:37] Alright, I'll check with the, [22:37] them* [22:38] I'd be glad to help [22:38] It's just so strange how it happened, though [22:38] but I allways help with the best option first [22:38] Banshee froze up my whole PC, then when i restarted, I just get weird static [22:38] and the best option in this case is support from the developers [22:39] Alrighty. Thanks a lot. I'll hop on over to their IRC channel real quick. :) [22:39] the reason it's that odd is exactly why I'm holding back my ideas for the moment [22:39] if they can't help, let us know, we'll try something different [22:40] your quite welcome [22:41] Okay, apparently there's not an IRC channel for it [22:41] That sucks [22:42] Doing some Googling around, and it seems Eeebuntu has turned into a new project, Aurora [22:42] Maybe I'll just back up my home folder and upgrade [22:45] anyone going to try this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbfammmagchhaohncbhghoohcfoeckdi# [22:45] nairanvac: well, they had to, Canonical has been enforcing their trademark a bit more [22:45] lately [22:46] Yeah, makes sense. The new version looks pretty slick, anyways [22:46] chris4585: That looks interesting. Maybe I'll give Chrome a shot again and try it [22:46] it's more likely a new name [22:46] nairanvac: nope, and I'd avoid it myself [22:47] seems like a privacy risk [22:47] Using any Google product is a privacy risk, I'd think [22:47] lol I thought everyone used chrome [22:47] My FF extensions have kept me loyal [23:25] hello nairanvac ! [23:26] Sup? [23:26] not much you doing ok, i see you have been chatting with cyberanger and chris4585, chris4585 is ok but watch out for cyberanger :) [23:26] Haha, good to know. He seems like a trouble maker. ;) [23:27] oh yes if you only knew ;) [23:28] wrst: you know, anyone using alternate builds is trouble for ubuntu ;-) [23:28] yes i am not familiar wih eeubuntu or eeebuntu or what was it [23:29] did netbook edition take its place? [23:29] me thinks there are almost as many ubuntu versions as their were vista versions :\ [23:29] hmmm [23:29] * wrst [23:29] :) [23:29] virtual box works in natty! [23:29] finally [23:30] eeebuntu wasn't offical [23:31] netbook remix became netbook edition [23:31] ahh ok [23:31] thanks for clearing that up so i will forget it again soon! [23:33] cyberanger: unity is getting better [23:34] soon huh [23:35] * cyberanger wonders how wrst defines soon, guess I'll let him sleep on it [23:35] now is soon from then cyberanger :)