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| thorwil | hmm, are there 'unsubscribe' addresses for ubuntu lists? | 12:51 |
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| vish | thorwil: why not make the illustrative submission on art-owl? it hasnt started yet, and if doctormo is OK, we could do it this cycle.. | 17:11 |
| ivanka | vish: good idea | 17:16 |
| ivanka | the photographic wallpaper competition runs nicely | 17:17 |
| vish | ivanka: hey, thanks.. and pls make sure illustrative submissions are highlighted this year.. (or we'll have john crying ;p) | 17:17 |
| ivanka | maybe we could agree in advance that whatever space there is on the CD we choose 3 illustrative wallpapers and the rest are photos | 17:17 |
| vish | yup.. | 17:17 |
| ivanka | k - follow up with iainfarrell | 17:18 |
| ivanka | how are you vish? as busy as last cycle? | 17:18 |
| vish | ivanka: hope i dont get as busy again this cycle... :) forcing myself to sleep at times ;) | 17:19 |
| vish | regular* | 17:19 |
| ivanka | vish: good! sleep is good, my doctor told me ;-) | 17:19 |
| vish | ;) | 17:20 |
| vish | ivanka: we could move the photo submissions also to art-owl, (since people are complaining that the flickr pool is too large) , but not sure what the art-owl limit is.. | 17:20 |
| vish | doctormo: ^ any idea how much it can take? | 17:21 |
| vish | and we do have the canonical sysadmin ready to allot us server space for the art.u.c site.. so that might help later. | 17:22 |
| ivanka | vish: what about love.ubuntu.com? | 17:23 |
| vish | oooh! even better.. :) | 17:23 |
| ivanka | vish - that way we avoid it being about specific skills and more about giving 'design love' to ubuntu projects? | 17:24 |
| thorwil | can we have pink instead of orange, then? :) | 17:25 |
| vish | ivanka: as a bonus we might get more google hits with 'love' in the url.. ;) | 17:26 |
| ivanka | thorwil: pink and butterflies :-) | 17:26 |
| ivanka | vish: heh | 17:26 |
| ivanka | surely we can come up with something less 'art' OR 'design' and more about creative endevours | 17:27 |
| vish | why not just "creativity.ubuntu.com" ? | 17:27 |
| ivanka | becreative.ubuntu.com? | 17:28 |
| vish | it maybe just me, but anything with "creative" seems like a collaboration with www.creative.com/ | 17:30 |
| thorwil | vish: don't let them own words! bloody capitalism :) | 17:33 |
| vish | :) | 17:33 |
| ivanka | hi kwwii, are you around? | 17:37 |
| ivanka | thorwil: hehehe | 17:38 |
| ivanka | vish, thorwil: how about benice.ubuntu.com? hahaha | 17:38 |
| vish | innovation.ubuntu.com | 17:39 |
| vish | or ingenuity .n.. there is fecundity / fertility.. but when we shorten them it doenst sound nice,, | 17:39 |
| thorwil | some say creative endeavors are a replacement for giving birth, so how about pregnancy.ubuntu.com? 0.o | 17:39 |
| darkmatter | epidural.ubuntu.com same connotation but less painful | 17:41 |
| woutervddn | I only read the last two sentences and what crossed my mind was: WTF? o_O | 17:44 |
| vish | woutervddn: exactly the reaction you should get, when you open your mind to the wonderful world of design.. ;) | 17:45 |
| woutervddn | xD | 17:45 |
| * thorwil changes coordinates in order to consume food | 17:47 | |
| doctormo | vish: owl should be able to take medium load | 17:54 |
| doctormo | ivanka: I beat you to love http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/poster/reasons-love-ubuntu | 17:55 |
| ivanka | doctormo: got any other ideas? | 18:00 |
| doctormo | ivanka: maybe light.ubuntu.com >? | 18:01 |
| ivanka | doctormo: I quite like that | 18:02 |
| * ivanka tries to channel all the negatives so she can be prepared for backlash | 18:03 | |
| thorwil | everything is white here. or would be, if there was enough light | 18:29 |
| vish | hahs, we could go for "surreal.u.c" ;p | 18:30 |
| darkmatter | the white is a lie | 18:32 |
| vish | hmm.. dream.ubuntu.com | 18:32 |
| darkmatter | epidural.ubuntu.com "we make your ubuntu less painful" | 18:33 |
| thorwil | vish: nah, that's too much that which does not happen | 18:33 |
| vish | :p | 18:33 |
| thorwil | darkmatter: antimasochistsenjoyment.ubuntu.com? | 18:33 |
| darkmatter | ;D | 18:34 |
| troy_s | Wtf | 18:45 |
| woutervddn | exactly what I said.. | 18:46 |
| thorwil | troy_s: now you like woutervddn earlier | 18:46 |
| troy_s | Name decisions? bacon.ubuntu.com because everyone likes bacon. | 18:46 |
| troy_s | It is pretty hard to understand so I feel woutervddn 's pain. | 18:47 |
| woutervddn | troy_s: vegans hate bacon -_- | 18:47 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: You are talking to the wrong fellow for that. ;) | 18:48 |
| troy_s | vish thorwil - How goes stuff? | 18:58 |
| vish | lol! finally someone was able to make troy_s go wtf!! \o/ | 18:58 |
| thorwil | troy_s: today i used map() instead of a for-loop and now nothing can put me down! | 18:59 |
| troy_s | vish: Not difficult. | 18:59 |
| woutervddn | lol @ vish | 18:59 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Geeky scripty | 18:59 |
| vish | troy_s: coming up with a name for the new art/design site | 18:59 |
| troy_s | vish: Oh gosh. | 19:00 |
| vish | " something less 'art' OR 'design' and more about creative endevours" | 19:00 |
| vish | we could just do the obvious and name it troy.u.c but it was too obvious ;p | 19:00 |
| darkmatter | ipickmynose.ubuntu.com screams of creativity | 19:00 |
| troy_s | vish: Yeah right up there with donkey.u.c. | 19:00 |
| vish | lamo!!! | 19:00 |
| vish | lmao was for darkmatter … i really could not stop myself from laughigg | 19:01 |
| woutervddn | flow.u.c | 19:01 |
| vish | troy_s: well, at some point you gotta stop being too modest.. it doesnt suit you ;) | 19:01 |
| troy_s | vish: Judging from all of that fantastic creativity on the mailing list it looks needed. | 19:01 |
| woutervddn | ugh.. tomorrow exam of economics.. =( I know sh*t about it.. | 19:02 |
| troy_s | vish: Or is this more of the wonderful "Slap it up on a wall and some faceless person will pick the winners." | 19:02 |
| vish | troy_s: well.. i think we might have had our first "shone(ing)" ;) it was more of a tag team ( thorwil and moi ) | 19:02 |
| vish | we might have repelled john.. ;) | 19:03 |
| troy_s | vish: I suspect there are better things for time. | 19:03 |
| troy_s | vish: I looked at that list and it looked like "v t v t j j j" with a token UNSUBSCRIBE ME jammed in there. | 19:04 |
| vish | :p | 19:05 |
| troy_s | vish: I would wonder how to coax thoughts out of the other 1000 subscribers. | 19:05 |
| thorwil | troy_s: we will rename "artwork team" to "discussion duo", soon | 19:05 |
| vish | lol!!! | 19:05 |
| troy_s | vish: Or at least see if any of them have any art / design interest or commitment. | 19:06 |
| troy_s | Likely just a gmail filter gathering dust. | 19:06 |
| troy_s | vish: Who is the admin? Still kwwii? | 19:06 |
| vish | troy_s: i did try to bring up the topic of discussing more art/design on the list.. the discussion there is a tie now 2 in favor and 2 against.. and thorwil doesnt (yet) want to break the tie ;p | 19:07 |
| vish | troy_s: yea.. kwwii is the admin, but he is having too much fun ;) | 19:07 |
| troy_s | vish: Seriously? | 19:08 |
| troy_s | vish: Let me get this right | 19:08 |
| thorwil | vish: i'm not even aware of that =0.o | 19:08 |
| vish | thorwil: thats why i kept poking you.. i said lets do it and then cephrn said yes.. john and leogg said no.. | 19:09 |
| troy_s | vish: You asked on an art / design / creativity list if there should be a more creative approach to discuss more about art / design and two people suggested not? | 19:09 |
| darkmatter | moar topics! that always helps in an ecosystem built on duct tape and crazy glue ;) | 19:09 |
| vish | troy_s: yea.. they said it was bringing in bureaucracy! :/ | 19:09 |
| coz_ | o0 | 19:09 |
| troy_s | vish: Whoever said no should be banished from the list. | 19:09 |
| woutervddn | lol +1 at troy.. :p | 19:10 |
| thorwil | vish: not that again. don't do a john | 19:10 |
| vish | troy_s: we might have banished 1 (john).. | 19:10 |
| troy_s | vish: Not qualified. Not competent. Should not be tolerated. | 19:10 |
| thorwil | vish: i pointed out several times the issue was your "mandatory" mail to the list for every submission | 19:10 |
| woutervddn | lol the "i want to stop this mail" is kind of funny :p | 19:11 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Which is that? | 19:11 |
| vish | thorwil: well, if you dont say mandatory, no one will discuss.. like check out leogg, he said he dint have time to write a mail to the team.. but why did he announce his submissions? because he doesnt want to get left out.. | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | Please... | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | i want to stop this ubuntu mail.. | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | haw can i stop this?? | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | i have 7262 messages and 7000 is from ubuntu... | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | plzzz help me to stop this :) | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | and sorry for my english.. :) | 19:11 |
| vish | thorwil: but even recommended is fine | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | it stand between the mudfight :p | 19:11 |
| woutervddn | might be an idea for a wallpaper: a war between two people and another one standing in the middle asking to get out.. xD | 19:12 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Ah the token UNSUBSCRIBE ME mails. | 19:12 |
| vish | woutervddn: yea.. that we get every month in every active mailing list.. | 19:13 |
| thorwil | vish: yeah, leogg mailed a list of his pieces, i commented, no one else did, no further reply | 19:13 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/mailing-lists | 19:13 |
| vish | thorwil: exactly. that's just human nature, if you say recommended , everyone gets lazy.. but if it is mandatory.. then they add the effort.. but as i said, "recommended" is a good temporary solution.. | 19:14 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You forgot "And use an email system designed for contemporary email that provides filters." | 19:15 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And to be fair... the vast bulk of people don't have a clue about what a mailing list is. | 19:15 |
| darkmatter | http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/238/d/4/Coat_of_Arms_by_humon.jpg | 19:15 |
| troy_s | thorwil: So in terms of sensitivity to potential audiences, the nerd optics fall short. | 19:16 |
| thorwil | troy_s: not quite sure what you are saying there. i'm quite aware that knowing what a mailing lists is already makes you an "insider", kinda | 19:17 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The unsubscribe issue is symptomatic perhaps | 19:18 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Completely agree. Not "kinda" | 19:19 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Is there a checklist on the wiki? | 19:19 |
| thorwil | troy_s: thing is, i think it is net-harmful to get people on lists that can't figure out how to unsubscribe. at least if the lists cover technical matters | 19:19 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That explains what those various uber-nerd techniques do? | 19:19 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I can easily see where people hit a wall with mailing lists. They are almost exclusive to nerdville. Even intra company emails are generally cc. | 19:21 |
| thorwil | troy_s: all i can find, and even that only with a direct search: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailingLists | 19:22 |
| thorwil | first link broken right there | 19:22 |
| troy_s | Lol | 19:22 |
| troy_s | thorwil: So as a less committed individual, mailing lists might not be optimal. The sad part is that there is a disparity between the uber-nerd and their mailing lists and the typical-casual that might gravitate to a forum. The two can't reconcile. | 19:24 |
| thorwil | troy_s: lists and forums both suck in their own way | 19:24 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Sure but they are language | 19:25 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I wouldn't be worried about perfect or even close. | 19:25 |
| woutervddn | troy_s: true about the don't reconcile.. | 19:26 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I can only speculate, but I would gamble that most North American netizens understand the language of forums better than the language of mailing lists. | 19:27 |
| woutervddn | I hate to say this but imo troy's right again.. | 19:27 |
| woutervddn | the only way to introduce a more forum style approche in an ML is by hashtagging and allow to only recieve messages with the right hashtag.. | 19:28 |
| doctormo | Unless your having a chat, there is no need for forums or mailing lists. | 19:28 |
| woutervddn | true that.. | 19:28 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Perhaps doubly so for art / design centric minds. Dribbble, Notcot, Juxtapoz, etc. all speak web based interaction models with auxiliary email notifications for the uber savvy. | 19:28 |
| woutervddn | but how would you see that doctormo? | 19:28 |
| thorwil | troy_s: while i've seen forums with high standards, i think they tend to attract more mouth breathers than lists ever could | 19:28 |
| troy_s | doctormo: Depends on goals of course... | 19:29 |
| woutervddn | and +1 for thorwil on that.. | 19:29 |
| doctormo | what are the goals? | 19:29 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Look at Dribbble | 19:30 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Or Typophile | 19:30 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Very specific cultures there. | 19:30 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Which is precisely my point on cultivating a culture. | 19:30 |
| woutervddn | troy_s: neither of those are real forums.. | 19:30 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Typophile most certainly id. | 19:31 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: And Dribbble is interesting less as a technology platform and more of the audience it has selected and cultivated. | 19:31 |
| troy_s | doctormo: And I completely agree with you. What are the goals? | 19:32 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Although in the case of the latter, I can't suggest the two aren't related. | 19:32 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Indeed it appears the very "low tech" interaction design touched a nerve for the audience. | 19:33 |
| woutervddn | that approach indeed is better targeted for less technically focused people.. | 19:37 |
| woutervddn | and it's true far from all designers have technical (or logical) skills.. | 19:37 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: Erm. Most of the extremely talented artists I know are -ridiculously- technical, more so within their own domains. | 19:38 |
| thorwil | woutervddn: are you talking about nail designers? | 19:39 |
| woutervddn | lol no I wasn't.. but a more userfriendly approach will ultimatly also allow new people to feel comfortable being around.. | 19:40 |
| troy_s | woutervddn: New should be a trait. Not an end. Another trait should be of greater importance. | 19:41 |
| coz_ | is troy_s picking people again ? | 19:42 |
| coz_ | picking on people rather | 19:42 |
| coz_ | damn fingers | 19:42 |
| darkmatter | nah. he just likes hearing the sound of his own text ;) | 19:43 |
| woutervddn | lol | 19:44 |
| coz_ | :) | 19:44 |
| troy_s | Why yes. That's why I type it here. I generally just sit alone in a box and type into a text editor. | 19:46 |
| troy_s | Clearly I am disrupting a fount of creativity and unbridled passion here. | 19:47 |
| coz_ | lol | 19:47 |
| troy_s | Aight out for a while. Be good all. | 20:06 |
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