=== zac is now known as Guest90262 [12:51] hmm, are there 'unsubscribe' addresses for ubuntu lists? [17:11] thorwil: why not make the illustrative submission on art-owl? it hasnt started yet, and if doctormo is OK, we could do it this cycle.. [17:16] vish: good idea [17:17] the photographic wallpaper competition runs nicely [17:17] ivanka: hey, thanks.. and pls make sure illustrative submissions are highlighted this year.. (or we'll have john crying ;p) [17:17] maybe we could agree in advance that whatever space there is on the CD we choose 3 illustrative wallpapers and the rest are photos [17:17] yup.. [17:18] k - follow up with iainfarrell [17:18] how are you vish? as busy as last cycle? [17:19] ivanka: hope i dont get as busy again this cycle... :) forcing myself to sleep at times ;) [17:19] regular* [17:19] vish: good! sleep is good, my doctor told me ;-) [17:20] ;) [17:20] ivanka: we could move the photo submissions also to art-owl, (since people are complaining that the flickr pool is too large) , but not sure what the art-owl limit is.. [17:21] doctormo: ^ any idea how much it can take? [17:22] and we do have the canonical sysadmin ready to allot us server space for the art.u.c site.. so that might help later. [17:23] vish: what about love.ubuntu.com? [17:23] oooh! even better.. :) [17:24] vish - that way we avoid it being about specific skills and more about giving 'design love' to ubuntu projects? [17:25] can we have pink instead of orange, then? :) [17:26] ivanka: as a bonus we might get more google hits with 'love' in the url.. ;) [17:26] thorwil: pink and butterflies :-) [17:26] vish: heh [17:27] surely we can come up with something less 'art' OR 'design' and more about creative endevours [17:27] why not just "creativity.ubuntu.com" ? [17:28] becreative.ubuntu.com? [17:30] it maybe just me, but anything with "creative" seems like a collaboration with www.creative.com/ [17:33] vish: don't let them own words! bloody capitalism :) [17:33] :) [17:37] hi kwwii, are you around? [17:38] thorwil: hehehe [17:38] vish, thorwil: how about benice.ubuntu.com? hahaha [17:39] innovation.ubuntu.com [17:39] or ingenuity .n.. there is fecundity / fertility.. but when we shorten them it doenst sound nice,, [17:39] some say creative endeavors are a replacement for giving birth, so how about pregnancy.ubuntu.com? 0.o [17:41] epidural.ubuntu.com same connotation but less painful [17:44] I only read the last two sentences and what crossed my mind was: WTF? o_O [17:45] woutervddn: exactly the reaction you should get, when you open your mind to the wonderful world of design.. ;) [17:45] xD [17:47] * thorwil changes coordinates in order to consume food [17:54] vish: owl should be able to take medium load [17:55] ivanka: I beat you to love http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/poster/reasons-love-ubuntu [18:00] doctormo: got any other ideas? [18:01] ivanka: maybe light.ubuntu.com >? [18:02] doctormo: I quite like that [18:03] * ivanka tries to channel all the negatives so she can be prepared for backlash [18:29] everything is white here. or would be, if there was enough light [18:30] hahs, we could go for "surreal.u.c" ;p [18:32] the white is a lie [18:32] hmm.. dream.ubuntu.com [18:33] epidural.ubuntu.com "we make your ubuntu less painful" [18:33] vish: nah, that's too much that which does not happen [18:33] :p [18:33] darkmatter: antimasochistsenjoyment.ubuntu.com? [18:34] ;D [18:45] Wtf [18:46] exactly what I said.. [18:46] troy_s: now you like woutervddn earlier [18:46] Name decisions? bacon.ubuntu.com because everyone likes bacon. [18:47] It is pretty hard to understand so I feel woutervddn 's pain. [18:47] troy_s: vegans hate bacon -_- [18:48] woutervddn: You are talking to the wrong fellow for that. ;) [18:58] vish thorwil - How goes stuff? [18:58] lol! finally someone was able to make troy_s go wtf!! \o/ [18:59] troy_s: today i used map() instead of a for-loop and now nothing can put me down! [18:59] vish: Not difficult. [18:59] lol @ vish [18:59] thorwil: Geeky scripty [18:59] troy_s: coming up with a name for the new art/design site [19:00] vish: Oh gosh. [19:00] " something less 'art' OR 'design' and more about creative endevours" [19:00] we could just do the obvious and name it troy.u.c but it was too obvious ;p [19:00] ipickmynose.ubuntu.com screams of creativity [19:00] vish: Yeah right up there with donkey.u.c. [19:00] lamo!!! [19:01] lmao was for darkmatter … i really could not stop myself from laughigg [19:01] flow.u.c [19:01] troy_s: well, at some point you gotta stop being too modest.. it doesnt suit you ;) [19:01] vish: Judging from all of that fantastic creativity on the mailing list it looks needed. [19:02] ugh.. tomorrow exam of economics.. =( I know sh*t about it.. [19:02] vish: Or is this more of the wonderful "Slap it up on a wall and some faceless person will pick the winners." [19:02] troy_s: well.. i think we might have had our first "shone(ing)" ;) it was more of a tag team ( thorwil and moi ) [19:03] we might have repelled john.. ;) [19:03] vish: I suspect there are better things for time. [19:04] vish: I looked at that list and it looked like "v t v t j j j" with a token UNSUBSCRIBE ME jammed in there. [19:05] :p [19:05] vish: I would wonder how to coax thoughts out of the other 1000 subscribers. [19:05] troy_s: we will rename "artwork team" to "discussion duo", soon [19:05] lol!!! [19:06] vish: Or at least see if any of them have any art / design interest or commitment. [19:06] Likely just a gmail filter gathering dust. [19:06] vish: Who is the admin? Still kwwii? [19:07] troy_s: i did try to bring up the topic of discussing more art/design on the list.. the discussion there is a tie now 2 in favor and 2 against.. and thorwil doesnt (yet) want to break the tie ;p [19:07] troy_s: yea.. kwwii is the admin, but he is having too much fun ;) [19:08] vish: Seriously? [19:08] vish: Let me get this right [19:08] vish: i'm not even aware of that =0.o [19:09] thorwil: thats why i kept poking you.. i said lets do it and then cephrn said yes.. john and leogg said no.. [19:09] vish: You asked on an art / design / creativity list if there should be a more creative approach to discuss more about art / design and two people suggested not? [19:09] moar topics! that always helps in an ecosystem built on duct tape and crazy glue ;) [19:09] troy_s: yea.. they said it was bringing in bureaucracy! :/ [19:09] o0 [19:09] vish: Whoever said no should be banished from the list. [19:10] lol +1 at troy.. :p [19:10] vish: not that again. don't do a john [19:10] troy_s: we might have banished 1 (john).. [19:10] vish: Not qualified. Not competent. Should not be tolerated. [19:10] vish: i pointed out several times the issue was your "mandatory" mail to the list for every submission [19:11] lol the "i want to stop this mail" is kind of funny :p [19:11] woutervddn: Which is that? [19:11] thorwil: well, if you dont say mandatory, no one will discuss.. like check out leogg, he said he dint have time to write a mail to the team.. but why did he announce his submissions? because he doesnt want to get left out.. [19:11] Please... [19:11] i want to stop this ubuntu mail.. [19:11] haw can i stop this?? [19:11] i have 7262 messages and 7000 is from ubuntu... [19:11] plzzz help me to stop this :) [19:11] and sorry for my english.. :) [19:11] thorwil: but even recommended is fine [19:11] it stand between the mudfight :p [19:12] might be an idea for a wallpaper: a war between two people and another one standing in the middle asking to get out.. xD [19:12] woutervddn: Ah the token UNSUBSCRIBE ME mails. [19:13] woutervddn: yea.. that we get every month in every active mailing list.. [19:13] vish: yeah, leogg mailed a list of his pieces, i commented, no one else did, no further reply [19:13] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/mailing-lists [19:14] thorwil: exactly. that's just human nature, if you say recommended , everyone gets lazy.. but if it is mandatory.. then they add the effort.. but as i said, "recommended" is a good temporary solution.. [19:15] thorwil: You forgot "And use an email system designed for contemporary email that provides filters." [19:15] thorwil: And to be fair... the vast bulk of people don't have a clue about what a mailing list is. [19:15] http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/238/d/4/Coat_of_Arms_by_humon.jpg [19:16] thorwil: So in terms of sensitivity to potential audiences, the nerd optics fall short. [19:17] troy_s: not quite sure what you are saying there. i'm quite aware that knowing what a mailing lists is already makes you an "insider", kinda [19:18] thorwil: The unsubscribe issue is symptomatic perhaps [19:19] thorwil: Completely agree. Not "kinda" [19:19] thorwil: Is there a checklist on the wiki? [19:19] troy_s: thing is, i think it is net-harmful to get people on lists that can't figure out how to unsubscribe. at least if the lists cover technical matters [19:19] thorwil: That explains what those various uber-nerd techniques do? [19:21] thorwil: I can easily see where people hit a wall with mailing lists. They are almost exclusive to nerdville. Even intra company emails are generally cc. [19:22] troy_s: all i can find, and even that only with a direct search: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailingLists [19:22] first link broken right there [19:22] Lol [19:24] thorwil: So as a less committed individual, mailing lists might not be optimal. The sad part is that there is a disparity between the uber-nerd and their mailing lists and the typical-casual that might gravitate to a forum. The two can't reconcile. [19:24] troy_s: lists and forums both suck in their own way [19:25] thorwil: Sure but they are language [19:25] thorwil: I wouldn't be worried about perfect or even close. [19:26] troy_s: true about the don't reconcile.. [19:27] thorwil: I can only speculate, but I would gamble that most North American netizens understand the language of forums better than the language of mailing lists. [19:27] I hate to say this but imo troy's right again.. [19:28] the only way to introduce a more forum style approche in an ML is by hashtagging and allow to only recieve messages with the right hashtag.. [19:28] Unless your having a chat, there is no need for forums or mailing lists. [19:28] true that.. [19:28] thorwil: Perhaps doubly so for art / design centric minds. Dribbble, Notcot, Juxtapoz, etc. all speak web based interaction models with auxiliary email notifications for the uber savvy. [19:28] but how would you see that doctormo? [19:28] troy_s: while i've seen forums with high standards, i think they tend to attract more mouth breathers than lists ever could [19:29] doctormo: Depends on goals of course... [19:29] and +1 for thorwil on that.. [19:29] what are the goals? [19:30] thorwil: Look at Dribbble [19:30] thorwil: Or Typophile [19:30] thorwil: Very specific cultures there. [19:30] thorwil: Which is precisely my point on cultivating a culture. [19:30] troy_s: neither of those are real forums.. [19:31] woutervddn: Typophile most certainly id. [19:31] woutervddn: And Dribbble is interesting less as a technology platform and more of the audience it has selected and cultivated. [19:32] doctormo: And I completely agree with you. What are the goals? [19:32] woutervddn: Although in the case of the latter, I can't suggest the two aren't related. [19:33] woutervddn: Indeed it appears the very "low tech" interaction design touched a nerve for the audience. [19:37] that approach indeed is better targeted for less technically focused people.. [19:37] and it's true far from all designers have technical (or logical) skills.. [19:38] woutervddn: Erm. Most of the extremely talented artists I know are -ridiculously- technical, more so within their own domains. [19:39] woutervddn: are you talking about nail designers? [19:40] lol no I wasn't.. but a more userfriendly approach will ultimatly also allow new people to feel comfortable being around.. [19:41] woutervddn: New should be a trait. Not an end. Another trait should be of greater importance. [19:42] is troy_s picking people again ? [19:42] picking on people rather [19:42] damn fingers [19:43] nah. he just likes hearing the sound of his own text ;) [19:44] lol [19:44] :) [19:46] Why yes. That's why I type it here. I generally just sit alone in a box and type into a text editor. [19:47] Clearly I am disrupting a fount of creativity and unbridled passion here. [19:47] lol [20:06] Aight out for a while. Be good all.