[14:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:59. The chair is NCommander.
[14:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101216
[14:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101216
[14:59] <davidm> hello
[14:59] <janimo> hello
[14:59]  * rsalveti waves
[15:00] <NCommander> GrueMaster is on his way
[15:02] <NCommander> Ok
[15:02] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:02] <NCommander> [topic] persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:02]  * NCommander pokes persia to see if he's around
[15:04] <NCommander> ok
[15:04] <NCommander> no persia
[15:04] <NCommander> Will skip his AIs
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:04] <NCommander> Fixed on the wiki
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[15:04] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:04] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:04] <NCommander> Burndown chart doesn't look very good
[15:05] <rsalveti> yup
[15:05] <NCommander> lot of these are ogra's so I don't really expect much until he returns in 2011
[15:05] <rsalveti> will probably only get really better in January
[15:05] <davidm> NCommander, my side is blocked until Jan too
[15:05] <NCommander> Yeah, I'm blocked on my spec (had discussions with cjwatson on archdetect, and watching the d-boot discussion go on)
[15:05] <NCommander> Right, so the burndown chart is going to look fugly until 2011 :-)
[15:06] <janimo> the will suddenly plummet :)
[15:06] <GrueMaster> Looks like it needs to get reset, as it starts low.
[15:06] <NCommander> GrueMaster: only a 6 item difference, won't be huge. We can poke pitti if needbe though
[15:07] <rsalveti> I'd prefer to see it fixed
[15:07] <rsalveti> if possible
[15:07] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to get trendline fixed
[15:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to get trendline fixed
[15:07] <NCommander> There
[15:07] <NCommander> [link] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:08] <NCommander> No progress with mono on my end.
[15:08] <rsalveti> bug 688765 is waiting the test feedback from GrueMaster
[15:09] <rsalveti> then the only one I still need to work on is bug 664682, the others are all waiting to get fix released, basically
[15:09] <rsalveti> persia is handling lots of bugs
[15:10] <rsalveti> and some are quite old already
[15:10] <GrueMaster> And a lot of them are old, most are now unsupported.
[15:10] <rsalveti> persia: can you check later on if you're really planning to work on them?
[15:10] <rsalveti> if not, just remove yourself from the bug
[15:10] <NCommander> [action] persia to remove himself from old assigned bugs
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to remove himself from old assigned bugs
[15:10] <janimo> I see bug 462605 is over a year old, which supported boards use redboot ?
[15:11] <GrueMaster> babbage
[15:12] <NCommander> anyway, I'm going to move on
[15:12] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:12] <rsalveti> he's not around, but the omap 4 kernel was updated for natty
[15:13] <rsalveti> still with 35, but now with PM and some other fixes
[15:13] <rsalveti> I'm currently working to get the new x-loader version at the repository
[15:13] <rsalveti> and also waiting to the new u-boot version to get into the archive probably next week
[15:13] <NCommander> yay
[15:13] <rsalveti> we're kind of waiting linaro to make the u-boot release for us
[15:14] <rsalveti> so once everything is updated, more kernel testing is needed
[15:14] <rsalveti> ti will continue to work and improve this tree, and hopefully move to 37 on january/february
[15:14] <rsalveti> that's most of it
[15:15] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:15] <rsalveti> latest image is 20101214
[15:16] <GrueMaster> I think the move to python 2.7 has broken some of the tools in the image.  Only seeing a failure with checkbox at the moment, but others may be affected.
[15:16] <rsalveti> currently broken probably because we're still waiting some packages to build
[15:16] <GrueMaster> Firefox is also crashing on startup.
[15:16] <rsalveti> yeah, some new bugs are unfortunately expected :-)
[15:16] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: That falls under image status.  :P
[15:17] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: what is the last working image?
[15:17] <rsalveti> at least able to install and get into the xsession
[15:17] <GrueMaster> 20101214, as you pointed out.
[15:17] <rsalveti> cool, I didn't test it yet
[15:18] <GrueMaster> When there are images to test, I pull them and test them.  Otherwise I just do apt-get upgrade to wade through the pool churn.
[15:20]  * NCommander moves on
[15:20] <GrueMaster> At any rate, I've also been catching up with several older bugs that have been tagged with verification-needed that I had not received notification on.
[15:20] <NCommander> or not
[15:20] <GrueMaster> I'm done.
[15:20] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[15:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[15:20] <NCommander> FTBFS list is better since Qt got fixed
[15:21] <janimo> about two dozen haskell packages depend on ghc6 being built (which takes 32 hours and many times does not succeed)
[15:21] <NCommander> Kubuntu devs want to work on backporting and enabling NEON runtime detection for some handwritten assembler. I'll be looking at this at the possibility of increasing performance, and there's been a desire to have a hwcaps NEON version
[15:21] <NCommander> janimo: ghc6 is a frustatingly fragile package; I don't think its ever reliably built :-/
[15:22] <rsalveti> NCommander: just fix qt upstream :-)
[15:22] <janimo> NCommander: Laney is taking care of it, but it is not too easy on arm I suppose as some bugs manifest here only
[15:22] <NCommander> rsalveti: thiago from Nokia is working on it
[15:23] <NCommander> anyway, that's all I got on FTBFS
[15:23] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:23] <NCommander> With ogra on VAC, I'm handling OMAP4 image maintence and such
[15:23] <NCommander> so if something breaks, poke me
[15:23] <rsalveti> well, latest one failed to build
[15:23] <rsalveti> hehe
[15:23]  * NCommander glares at rsalveti :-P
[15:24] <NCommander> I'll look at it after the meeting, but probably just archive churn
[15:24] <rsalveti> probably
[15:24] <GrueMaster> Don't bother.  It's just pool churn.
[15:24] <GrueMaster> Mono-runtime this time around.
[15:24] <NCommander> ugh
[15:25] <NCommander> thanks GrueMaster
[15:25] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[15:25] <NCommander> going 1
[15:26] <NCommander> going twice
[15:26] <NCommander> going three times
[15:26] <NCommander> Ok, quick meeting
[15:26] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:26.
[15:26] <rsalveti> ok, thanks all
[18:59]  * charlie-tca waves
[18:59]  * micahg waves
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Hey, micahg
[19:00] <beardygnome> hi charlie-tca
[19:00] <beardygnome> i can only sa
[19:00] <beardygnome> *stay a few minutes
[19:00] <mr_pouit> \o
[19:00] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: no problem, did you see the message about the docs review I sent?
[19:00] <beardygnome> yes thanks
[19:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:01] <beardygnome> can i leave a agenda point for tonight?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Let's get it started, I see all the important people made it.
[19:01] <charlie-tca> sure, beardygnome
[19:01] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <beardygnome> i was wondering if it would help the docs review if the htmls were hosted somewhere?
[19:02] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:02] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't think so, because that would add to the places they have to be updated.
[19:02] <charlie-tca> hey, cody-somerville
[19:02] <beardygnome> i'm planning to get them up on my website so I can review them over christmas when i'm not at home, so could make the url available
[19:03] <beardygnome> obviously i can't promise to always have the very latest versions, but i'll be updating them frequently
[19:03] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: ok, no worries
[19:04] <charlie-tca> It scares me, because people will start using that as "the docs" reference.
[19:04] <beardygnome> is it ok for me to have them hosted for review, or would you prefer me to have them on a usb stick?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> yes, you can do that. We just have to make sure we aren't sending people there when they need docs, I think.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Okay?
[19:05] <beardygnome> I'll put them at an obscure url and make sure it doesn't get out.
[19:06] <charlie-tca> The meeting agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings and will be in the minutes.
[19:06] <micahg> beardygnome: docs are public, you shouldn't have to worry about that
[19:06] <charlie-tca> micahg: they are pre-release docs, not for public
[19:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes, but they're hosted in a public repo on LP, right?
[19:06] <charlie-tca> part of the documentation review
[19:07] <charlie-tca> yes, but I would never tell someone to go there to read them
[19:07] <charlie-tca> If they are being posted to review for errors, they should not be public, since they are not complete
[19:08] <cody-somerville> micahg, I think the issue is that the LP repo is only the source whereas beardygnome is going to put up the generated docs for review. We wouldn't want google to pick up them up and start returning them in searches for Xubuntu docs :P
[19:08] <beardygnome> cody-somerville: that's a good point.  i'll keep them offline and put them on an sd card / memory stick.
[19:08] <micahg> ok, next topic :-/
[19:08] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business - all
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business - all
[19:09] <beardygnome> anyways, i've got to leave now.  have a good christmas everyone and i'll see you all on dec 30th.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> The only thing I show was put there as a reminder. We need to update xubuntu.org, and pleia2 was going to check into it.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> pleia2: are you here/
[19:10] <charlie-tca> ?
[19:10] <pleia2> yep, it's on my list, I'll follow-up with you this weekend
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Great! Thank you for that.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates -
[19:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates -
[19:11] <highvoltage> hey there charlie-tca
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Packaging & Development - mr_pouit
[19:11] <cody-somerville> pleia2, You'll want to poke me about that.
[19:11] <pleia2> cody-somerville: oh ok, email alright?
[19:11] <mr_pouit> Finished rebuilding all panel plugins against xfce4-panel 4.7.
[19:12] <cody-somerville> pleia2, Yup.
[19:12] <mr_pouit> I'm working on the exo-0.3 -> exo-1 port for a few programs
[19:12] <mr_pouit> (almost done)
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Great!
[19:13] <charlie-tca> We had a user in #xubuntu today that rebuilt places-plugin on his own system in natty and it worked
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Is there any hope for the weather bug?
[19:13] <mr_pouit> no, you can't mount anything
[19:14] <mr_pouit> because exo-mount/umount/eject binaries aren't there anymore
[19:14] <charlie-tca> ooops
[19:14] <mr_pouit> but yeah, the other plugin features will work ;)
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Anything else ?
[19:15] <mr_pouit> nope
[19:15] <micahg> doko fixed the powerpc FTBFS for libxfce4ui, so the powerpc stack should be buildable soon
[19:15] <charlie-tca> thank you, mr_pouit.
[19:15] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: what's the issue with the weather plugin?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> micahg: Great! Are you going to try and follow it?
[19:15] <mr_pouit> micahg: ah cool
[19:15] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: it doesn't work at all in natty, Xfce is aware of it
[19:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: yep, I'll try to make sure the deps get built over the weekend
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg
[19:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I don't know all the stuff, but the Xfce devs are working that one.
[19:16] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: ah yeah, invalid api key or something
[19:16] <mr_pouit> micahg: ok, I'll forward upstream
[19:16] <micahg> mr_pouit: cool, thanks
[19:17] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <charlie-tca> We had a quiet week. We do have a few users running Natty now.
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Mostly, the comments are that Xfce4.8pre is great.
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Anybody get stuck with the sudo bug yesterday or today?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Good. Let's keep going then.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:19] <micahg> wait
[19:19] <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg
[19:19] <micahg> I have something for triage, but related to 10.04.2
[19:19] <micahg> so I can go now or later
[19:19] <charlie-tca> May as well bring it in now
[19:20] <micahg> I would like to suggest any bugs that should be fixed for 10.04.2 be milestoned so that they can be worked on
[19:20] <micahg> if that's not already happening
[19:20] <micahg> xubuntu specific
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Very good point.
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I will review my bug lists this week and see what there is. I can't recall any high or critical ones other than docs,t hough
[19:22] <charlie-tca> As for the website, pleia2 and cody-somerville will get together and make it happen for Natty
[19:23] <charlie-tca> We need someone that can do marketing...
[19:24] <charlie-tca> If someone shows interest, guide them to #xubuntu-devel and let's try to get something going
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Anything else on website or marketing?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork
[19:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Artwork
[19:26] <charlie-tca> No new discussions on it. If you have tried out the greybird theme, please give feedback to ochosi in #xubuntu-devel or #shimmer
[19:26] <charlie-tca> I think it is a good theme, myself.
[19:27] <charlie-tca> but, I am biased. I can see everything in it!
[19:27] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Documentation
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I do not see the docs people today, but we need to review the Natty docs. I posted an email to xubuntu-devel for that.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> should I forward the procedures to Xubuntu users ML?
[19:29] <cody-somerville> hmmm
[19:29] <cody-somerville> Up to you
[19:29] <cody-somerville> not really intended for that though
[19:29] <charlie-tca> That's why I asked. My thinking goes wrong somedays.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> We do need to let Book_Em_Dano know we appreciate his efforts. Let's try to get more than one pair of eyes on that.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements - Project Lead
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements - Project Lead
[19:31] <charlie-tca> We no longer produce the PS3 images for Natty
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Thunderbird 3.1.7 is out.
[19:31] <charlie-tca> There is no meeting next week, 2010-12-23, because of the holidays
[19:32] <charlie-tca> anything else we should let everyone know?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> We will tackle the governance again next year...
[19:32] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business - all/anyone
[19:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business - all/anyone
[19:33] <micahg> Add a topic for the next 2 months for 10.04.2
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I want to remind everyone that we do follow the IRC guidelines at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines in our channels.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Got it, micahg. I will add it
[19:33] <micahg> I have an agenda item on the LTS meeting for Jan 3 to discuss the timeline
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: I can own that if you want
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Great!
[19:34]  * micahg is afraid of what just happened
[19:34] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg to follow up on the 10.04.2 update
[19:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  micahg to follow up on the 10.04.2 update
[19:35] <micahg> I'm guessing we'll have about a month to get any updates in
[19:35] <charlie-tca> One thing I see happening is we are quick to tell users to google their issues. I do it too.
[19:35] <charlie-tca> By those guidelines, we google
[19:36] <charlie-tca> We give them all the help we can, including exact references to look at. I will stop telling them to google.
[19:36] <charlie-tca> anyone else have anything?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Then we will see everybody in two weeks.
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Thanks for coming to the meeting.
[19:37] <pleia2> thanks charlie-tca
[19:37] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[19:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:37.
[19:39] <UndiFineD> great timing
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I will post the minutes, UndiFineD
[21:29] <skaet_d> test from droid
[21:32] <charlie-tca> skaet: worked
[21:32] <skaet> thanks charlie-tca   :)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> You are welcome