[01:17] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: Is it just those three entities?
[01:49] <IdleOne> lol they just exploited themself
[01:49] <IdleOne> haha
[01:50] <jrib>  that was weird
[01:50] <IdleOne> btw Tron sucked
[01:50] <Pici> I don't care. I'm still going to see it.,
[01:50] <IdleOne> Pici: turns out my tickets did not garantee me a seat
[01:50] <Pici> IdleOne: ugh.
[01:51] <knome> LOL
[01:51] <IdleOne> tell me about it
[01:51] <IdleOne> I'm going to see it this weekend anyway.
[01:51] <IdleOne> I don't care if I have to pay
[01:51] <Pici> Oh.  You mean you didn't even see it?
[01:51] <IdleOne> nope
[01:52] <IdleOne> they gave out more tickets then seats it seems
[01:52] <Pici> Oh.  that really sucks then
[01:52] <knome> the give out seats at movie theaters now? must go get one...
[01:53] <IdleOne> but I thinking of writing a nasty blog post about the DJ at the radio station who gave the tickets
[01:53] <IdleOne> I'm
[01:53] <knome> night ->
[01:53] <IdleOne> nighters
[01:53] <Pici> Cyas
[01:54] <IdleOne> not me
[01:54] <Pici> IdleOne: I can't say goodnight to knome?
[01:55] <IdleOne> you used the plural
[01:55] <IdleOne> I assumed...sorry :(
[01:55] <Pici> (Actually I did think you were leaving) :P
[01:56] <IdleOne> I know you did :P
[02:03] <sprung> Completely ridiculous.
[02:03] <sprung> I did absolutely nothing wrong.
[02:03] <sprung> I ended the subject,.
[02:03] <sprung> he continued after I told him to quit.
[02:03] <IdleOne> sprung: your attitude towards tsimpson is what got you here
[02:03] <sprung> what did i do wrong exactly
[02:04] <sprung> my attitude? I wanted him to stop and asked him to do so.
[02:04] <sprung> he did not, and I did.
[02:04] <sprung> why am i here
[02:04] <sprung> and not him
[02:04] <tsimpson> I am
[02:04] <sprung> oh i see, you're in charge?
[02:04] <IdleOne> he is an op and asked you not to tell people to go google. simple as that.
[02:04] <tsimpson> sprung: to be clear, I was simply informing you of the rule in #ubutnu where we do not tell people to go and google something rather than _just_ helping
[02:04] <tsimpson> you answered the question, fine
[02:05] <IdleOne> wether you told them after providing the answer is besides the point
[02:05] <sprung> And i clearly /did not/ tell him to just google it
[02:05] <tsimpson> but you then spent time berating the user for not googleing
[02:05] <sprung> i provided him with a link to the answer to his question
[02:05] <sprung> then I explained that I found the answer on google
 ibm, in the time you spent asking a question which i found the answer for using google, you could have alternatively gone to www.google.com and typed cpu temperature linux and found a plethora of sites. You asking in here was not only time consuming but did not provide a variety of options to choose from.
[02:05] <IdleOne> not everybody has the "google foo"
[02:05] <sprung> thus explaining that while I used google to answer his question, he might find alternatives to my solution using the same process.
 ibm, you will find that if you go to www.google.com and search for what you are looking for, you may find the answer without asking in this channel
[02:06] <sprung> You're going to keep me banned from the ubuntu channel until I do the following:
[02:06] <sprung> please tell me what that is
[02:06] <IdleOne> sprung: I am going to unban you but I just wanted you to understand the reasoning tsimpson had.
[02:07] <sprung> and it is not ok for me to disagree. i understand crystal clear.
[02:07] <IdleOne> and I also want you to follow the channel guidelines, like we expect all users to do.
[02:07] <tsimpson> if you want to answer someone, fine. but please leave it at that rather than then telling them how they should not have bothered asking and just googled it
[02:07] <sprung> i believed I did, and I don't get to disagree, I understand.
[02:07] <IdleOne> you can disagree
[02:07] <Flannel> sprung: For future reference, even though you did give him an answer, and then direct him to google for more information, your attitude is what caught the eye of people.
[02:07] <IdleOne> your welcome to disagree in fact
[02:07] <sprung> ok you are right on all counts and i am totally and completely wrong.
[02:07] <sprung> i fail you win
[02:08] <sprung> i have read the guidelines of this channel before and just did it again
[02:08] <IdleOne> sprung: fine you can stay banned, since you don't want to discuss this like a adult.
[02:08] <sprung> what do you want from me
[02:08] <sprung> i don't have anything else to give you
[02:08] <IdleOne> in plain English
[02:08] <IdleOne> stop being a jerk
[02:08] <sprung> i'm sorry, i won't do it again
[02:09] <IdleOne> help people and then move on to the next
[02:09] <sprung> i thought i had?
[02:09] <sprung> i desparately want to move on
[02:09] <IdleOne> no you typed out 3 paragraphs of how they should of googled it
[02:09] <tsimpson> the two messages I posted were _after_ the answer, and were berating the user for even asking the question
[02:09] <sprung> again what do you want from me, i have admitted i am wrong and you are right, and i have apologized and promised i won't do it again.
[02:10] <sprung> what else can i do
[02:11] <tsimpson> sprung: all we wanted was for you to understand the rules we have, no special jumping through hoops needed
[02:11] <tsimpson> you can join #ubuntu now if you wish
[02:11] <IdleOne> sprung: thanks for you time and understanding
[02:11] <IdleOne> your*
[02:16] <Gggodlike> yes hello
[02:17] <Gggodlike> i was auto-b& from #ubuntu for no reason
[02:17] <Gggodlike> and now i cant answer qs
[02:17] <Flannel> Gggodlike: Have a nice day.
[02:17] <IdleOne> actually you got banned because you posted a DCC exploit
[02:18] <Flannel> Ooh wait
[02:18] <Gggodlike> i asked
[02:18] <Gggodlike> what it was
[02:18]  * Flannel uses lastlog poorly.
[02:18] <IdleOne> Gggodlike: ok but the bot sees it as an exploit attempt
[02:18] <IdleOne> you should have been forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic
[02:18] <IdleOne> with instructions on how to resolve the problem
[02:18] <Flannel> IdleOne: He wasn't vulnerable
[02:18] <Flannel> IdleOne: He just repeated it.
[02:19] <Flannel> Gggodlike: It's stupid people being dumb.
[02:19] <IdleOne> I see
[02:19] <Gggodlike> Gggodlike> what is ??..
[02:19] <IdleOne> well he got banned for repeating it
[02:19] <Flannel> Gggodlike: For future reference, don't copy/paste that into the channel, because then you 'help' them.
[02:19] <Gggodlike> ok
[02:19] <Flannel> Gggodlike: It's people trying to exploit some weaknesses in some home routers.  I've removed your ban in #ubuntu, please rejoin!
[02:19] <Gggodlike> thanks
[02:58] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: Well, I'm converting everything that's not alphanumeric, but those are the particularly problematic ones, due to appearing in the encoded entity.
[03:56]  * tonyyarusso reads wiki pages for Paul Tag and Alan Bell
[03:57] <rww> I already know everyone on the nomination list ;P
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> I feel like I should, but don't.
[03:58] <rww> What do we use for polling? Condorcet, or some Launchpad thing?
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> fluxbox maintainer eh?  Interesting.
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> rww: We e-mail our thoughts to the secret black box that is the IRCC, and they tell us what result we wanted.  :P
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> aka I honestly don't even know
[04:00] <rww> "A poll will be set up next week for voting", so I suspect we're not doing the (rather flawed) email-votes-to-some-group thing
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> oh hey
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> I wonder if anyone told pleia2 that Launchpad is deep-sixing the polls feature.
[04:01]  * tonyyarusso got a notice at work today
[04:01] <rww> Another reason to hope we're using Condorcet ;D
[04:03] <Hobbsee> what's the app that lets you set how bright ubuntu is?
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> how...bright?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yeah - screen brightness
[04:15]  * tonyyarusso cries at the prospect of explaining the different kinds of election methods to people who barely understand simple IRV
[04:21] <rww> Hrm. I wonder whether the Wikileaks hype will have died down by the time I get back from IRC vacation on the 28th ;P
[04:23] <rww> Anyone have any thoughts on making !dvd actually be about DVDs specifically instead of aliasing to !codecs?
[04:24] <IdleOne> hmm
[04:24] <IdleOne> !burn
[04:24] <IdleOne> !burning
[04:24] <IdleOne> err
[04:24] <IdleOne> none at the moment, what did you have in mind?
[04:25] <IdleOne> that would fit DVD better I think
[04:27] <rww> . !no, dvd is <reply> Ubuntu's default installation and repositories do not include packages needed to play commercial DVDs for legal reasons. For information on adding them, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs . For information on the legalities involved, see the "DVD" section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:28] <IdleOne> looks good to me
[04:28] <rww> !-codecs
[04:28] <rww> looks like we'd then want to alias libdvdcss and libdvdcss2 to !dvd
[04:29] <rww> !no, dvd is <reply> Ubuntu's default installation and repositories do not include packages needed to play commercial DVDs for legal reasons. For information on adding them, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs . For information on the legalities involved, see the "DVD" section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:29] <rww> !dvd
[04:30] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:30] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:30] <rww> !no libdvdcss2 is <alias> dvd
[04:30] <IdleOne> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:30] <IdleOne> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:30] <tsimpson> erm, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats#DVD :)
[04:30] <rww> looks like they went through, despite ubottu's lack of notification.
[04:31] <IdleOne> ok
[04:31] <rww> tsimpson: I would do that, except help.ubuntu.com's anchor format tends to change every so often.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ahh, that's better
[04:31] <IdleOne> !libdvdcss
[04:31] <rww> ... or not >.>
[04:31] <rww> !-libdvdcss
[04:31] <rww> is lies :(
[04:31] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: the answer is to shut down the machine, and reboot it with the power cable in, so it automatically goes to top brightness.  all other brightness mechanisms fail under maverick
[04:31] <tsimpson> "You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm" <-
[04:31] <rww> tsimpson: which I did
[04:32] <IdleOne> so did I
[04:32] <tsimpson> well sometimes Encyclopedia is fail
[04:32] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:32] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:32] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:32] <tsimpson> !libdvdcss
[04:33] <rww> !no, libdvdcss is <reply> foo
[04:33] <rww> !no libdvdcss is <alias> dvd
[04:33] <tsimpson> !libdvdcss
[04:33] <rww> !libdvdcss2
[04:33] <rww> !no, libdvdcss2 is <reply> foo
[04:33] <rww> !no, libdvdcss2 is <alias> dvd
[04:33] <IdleOne> you fixered it
[04:33] <rww> !libdvdcss2
[04:33] <rww> yay.
[04:33] <IdleOne> nice job
[04:34] <tsimpson> let's see if sed-style works
[04:34] <tsimpson> !dvd ~= s/ \. / | /
[04:34] <tsimpson> !dvd
[04:34] <tsimpson> :)
[04:36]  * rww grabs his log of PMs with ubottu, looks for all the unapplied minor factoid changes he's requested over the past month ;P
[04:36] <rww> !sudo =~ s/Gnome, XFCE/GNOME, Xfce/
[04:37] <rww> !natty =~ s/pre-//
[04:38] <rww> !natty
[04:38] <rww> hrm, I guess it just doesn't say a confirmation sometimes.
[04:38] <tsimpson> I'd rather s/alpha/unstable/
[04:38] <rww> !natty =~ s/alpha/unstable/
[04:38] <tsimpson> rww: ubottu has flood protection, even for it's non public replies
[04:39] <tsimpson> it's technically a bug, but meh
[04:40] <tsimpson> and has gnome still not dropped that acronym yet...?
[04:40] <rww> nope
[04:40] <rww> some people want to, though
[04:41] <rww> Thoughts on aliasing !limewire to !frostwire and dropping !limewire from !gnutella? Limewire is pretty much dead now, and you can't download it from the URL in the !limewire factoid.
[04:41] <maco> fine with me
[04:41] <tsimpson> if the factoid has dead info, change it
[04:42] <tsimpson> (or remove it)
[04:46] <rww> !gnutella =~ s/, !Limewire//
[04:47] <rww> !forget limewire
[04:47] <rww> !frostwire =~ s/version of Limewire/!gnutella client, forked from the Limewire source code/
[05:31] <pleia2> rww: Condorcet
[05:31] <rww> pleia2: thanks :)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: excellent
[05:46] <pleia2> that reminded me actually, have to start the process of pulling the email addresses for it
[05:46] <pleia2> so thanks :)
[05:46] <dfhsd> .
[05:47] <rww> dfhsd: hi
[05:53] <dfhsd> hello;-)
[05:54] <rww> dfhsd: Can I help you?
[05:59] <IdleOne> dfhsd: Unless there is something we can help you with please refer to the channel topic and specifically the part about not idling.
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> Does "Kate Stewart" == "Natty release manager", or something else?
[05:59] <maco> think so
[06:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's right
[06:00] <rww> tonyyarusso: yes
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> Nifty.  Anyone know her IRC nick for when our next -r-p comes around?
[06:00] <rww> skaet
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> interesting.  Anagrams, eh?
[06:20] <rww> heh, that's fun. If you do /mode #channelname -eeeo foo bar baz yournick, you don't see it remove the exempts.
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> /mode -eeyore?
[06:24] <maco> :D
[06:24] <rww> haha. I started humming Old McDonald Had a Farm, myself.
[06:25] <maco> i thoght it sounded like sound a donkey makes
[06:29] <mneptok> i've lost my tail. nobody cares.
[06:30] <cdbs> What to do with FredFlinstone in #ubuntu?
[06:30] <cdbs> ignore, I guess
[06:31] <rww> I'm not sure why you'd need to do anything.
[06:31] <cdbs> hmm
[06:32] <rww> They were asking a question, they got fed up and allcapsed and got +q by the bot, then left a few minutes ago.
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Nobody ever cares about you.
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Except when people start distributing disturbing topless pictures of you online.
[06:34] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO_zjotemfI
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> ha
[09:33] <elky> * Bacta (~Ricky@203.184.32.124) has joined #ubuntu-nz
 Hai trolls
[09:33] <elky> jussi, ^
[09:48] <ikonia> yeah, we need more proof of his behaviour, it's not like he's not got 150+ notes in BT
[09:56] <Jordan_U> What is the situation with Bacta exactly?
[09:57] <ikonia> he's a masssive pain in ubuntu name space (and freenode in general) multiple bans/klines etc.
[09:57] <ikonia> he's banned from all ubuntu core channels
[09:58] <Jordan_U> So why do we need more evidence?
[09:58] <ikonia> amazing question
[09:58] <ikonia> who knows
[09:58] <Jordan_U> Who is asking for more evidence?
[09:58] <ikonia> jussi: did the other day
[09:59] <maco> the australifinn
[11:44]  * Homicidal-Tree would like to know why his name is the #ubuntu ban list.
[11:44] <Homicidal-Tree> *name is on the
[11:46] <Myrtti> are you aware what kind of quit message you used the last?
[11:47] <Myrtti> or do you type a new one every time?
[11:48] <Homicidal-Tree> I type a new one every time. What has that got to do with anything?
[11:48] <Myrtti> also, are you aware that banevading is wrong?
[11:49] <Myrtti> elky, jrib ^
[11:49] <Homicidal-Tree> Ban evading? I'm ban evading?
[11:50] <Myrtti> come now, I'm not a fool
[11:50] <elky> fixed, thanks for letting us know you were evading a ban. you now have two.
[11:51] <Myrtti> elky: ♥
[11:51] <Homicidal-Tree> You only banned my Homicidal-Tree name. If you banned my account or IP, I wouldn't have been able to get in.
[11:51] <Homicidal-Tree> Besides, why was I banned in the first place?
[11:51] <Myrtti> yeah, that has been fixed now, the ip is banned now too
[11:51] <Homicidal-Tree> Good.
[11:51] <Myrtti> congratulations, you've won the lotto
[11:51] <elky> it doesn't matter how you evade, evading is against freenode policy
[11:52] <elky> !staff | Homicidal-Tree
[11:52] <Homicidal-Tree> elky: I wasn't even aware that I was banned until you guys tld me.
[11:53] <Homicidal-Tree> *told
[11:53] <elky> you're also sockpuppetting with their web irc service
[11:53] <Myrtti> I didn't know you were banned before you came here to ask why... logic fails.
[11:54] <Myrtti> funny thing is that you came here asking why you've been banned after you entered #ubuntu
[11:54] <Homicidal-Tree> Well, someone told me that I was banned. I tried joining to see if it was true. And I ended up here. Then I decided to ask why.
[11:55] <elky> that's not true.
[11:55] <Homicidal-Tree> elky: What sin't true?
[11:55] <Homicidal-Tree> *isn't
[11:56] <elky> you did not end up here by trying to join #ubuntu
[11:56] <Homicidal-Tree> Yes, I did.
[11:56] <Homicidal-Tree> As Homicidal-Tree, I typed /join #ubuntu and was forwarded here. I figured I was banned.
[11:56] <elky> no, i just removed your sockpuppet from #ubuntu. it wouldn't have been there if your assertion were true
[11:58] <Homicidal-Tree> elky: Please don't use technical talk on me. It confuses me.
[11:59] <Homicidal-Tree> Anyway, we're getting off topic. Why was I, as Homicidal-Tree, banned there in the first place?
[11:59] <Myrtti> you were originally forwarded here to discuss your quit message which was profane and unsuitable for the channel
[11:59] <elky> Probably for the same reason i just banned thewhateverfish which was threatening... rape?
[12:00] <Homicidal-Tree> ....... Jeez.... can't you people take a joke?
[12:00] <Myrtti> however, someone has since come on the channel with your ip with equally profane and unsuitable content and the original reason is rather irrelevant
[12:00] <elky> no, no we can't. you might want to find elsewhere for your comedy routine
[12:01] <Homicidal-Tree> Fine. I will. I still wanna know why my first ban took place.
[12:01] <Myrtti> I just told you
[12:01] <Homicidal-Tree> Well, what was the quit message?
[12:02] <Homicidal-Tree> If you don't wanna say it on here, PM me.
[12:03] <Myrtti> ikonia: this is yours originally, can you confirm that my assumption for the reason is correct?
[12:03] <ikonia> apologies, not been following, let me just pull up info
[12:05] <elky> 2010-12-06T12:51:44 *** Homicidal-Tree (Homicidal-Tree!caac7321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.172.115.33) has quit IRC (Quit: If I wake up tomorrow, will you still be here? If you are, will you give me head? ...... Holy shit, I actually TYPED that?!? ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!)
[12:05] <Homicidal-Tree> Oh.
[12:06] <Homicidal-Tree> I remember that.
[12:06] <Homicidal-Tree> Sorry.
[12:06] <ikonia> thanks elky info was slow coming forward
[12:06] <elky> ikonia, yeah the tracker is crawling a bit today
[12:06] <ikonia> found it now
[12:07] <ikonia> I'm not unbanning this guy based on what I've read in here, so it's over to you two if you want to remove it
[12:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: but it was the quit message?
[12:07] <ikonia> yes
[12:07] <Myrtti> thank you
[12:08]  * Homicidal-Tree wishes that there was a way for him to get unbanned.
[12:08] <elky> Not today there isn't.
[12:09] <Homicidal-Tree> What about next week?
[12:09] <elky> You ruined any prospect by trolling #ubuntu
[12:09] <elky> no, probably not.
[12:09] <Homicidal-Tree> Month?
[12:09] <elky> you'll have to ask us then
[12:09] <Homicidal-Tree> Damn. That means the 16th of January 2011.
[12:10] <ikonia> it means there is no set date
[12:10] <Myrtti> think positive, Holiday season is coming up and there's lots of other things to do
[12:10] <ikonia> next time you may want to drop the smart mouth attitude and lies, and just be honest
[12:11] <Homicidal-Tree> Oh, well. I'm a patient man. I can wait a month. I can wait even longer if I have to. It was good talking to you people.
[12:11] <ikonia> ok, bye
[12:17]  * jrib hates that webchat is basically an easy way to circumvent bans...
[12:17] <ikonia> it didn't used to be
[12:18] <jrib> and it shouldn't be :)
[12:25] <elky> this wasn't really the case here. he was banned as a webchat user
[12:25] <elky> but by nick only apparently
[12:29] <jrib> elky: I was referring to fmj in #ubuntu
[12:29] <elky> ah
[13:00] <Myrtti> I feel so old looking at #freenode
[13:10] <elky> hah
[13:28] <tomaw> what makes the webchat an easier way to circumvent bans now than it used to be?
[13:36] <jrib> tomaw: I don't know if it's easier, just that it can be used to circumvent bans
[13:42] <tomaw> ikonia said it didn't used to be
[13:45] <jrib> ah yes, I'm not really sure how either
[13:45] <jrib> tomaw: maybe the way users are allowed into #ubuntu?
[13:45]  * jrib tries
[13:46] <tomaw> ah perhaps the bot that invites them used to check the ban lists first
[13:46] <jrib> tomaw: yeah, I got sent to #ubuntu directly where as before there was a temporary room
[13:50] <popey> i wonder if this is the change jussi made recently
[13:50] <popey> i complained to him that people using webchat get dumped somewhere and it's all a bit scary
[13:50] <popey> he made some changes which did some fancyness which ended up with webchat users going directly to #ubuntu
[13:54] <popey> might have been LjL actually. I think he set it so if you're still banned you don't get unmuted or something
[13:54] <popey> sorry, memoryfail
[13:55] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-October/001086.html is probably it
[13:56] <Pici> If anyone is still confused as to how the current system works, I'd be glad to explain it.
[13:57] <jrib> popey: ah yes that sounds right, I remember discussing it with ljl at some point
[13:57] <popey> Pici: Please explain in detail, starting with "Then the earth cooled.."
[13:57] <Pici> popey: -___-
[13:58] <jrib> Pici: if I ban a user with a cloak, he can still access #ubuntu (and not be muted) if he uses webchat without authorizing.  Is this correct?
[13:59] <jrib> in fjm's case he rejoined with multiple IPs, but I'm just curious for the future
[14:01] <Pici> jrib: Yes, because the bot can't look beyond cloaks theres nothing we can do about that.
[14:02] <Pici> But that would be the case anyway even if we didn't have this system.
[14:02] <jrib> Pici: thanks.  In my opinion, that's something freenode should handle
[14:14] <jrib> genius
[14:44] <tsimpson> you can ban by account to /mode +b $a:account_name
[14:45] <tsimpson> that way, if they are identified, they are banned
[14:48] <tsimpson> + project cloaks override webchat cloaks, so banning a non unaffiliated cloak does work
[14:48] <tsimpson> unless I'm overestimating the floodbots
[14:49] <tsimpson> (continuing to ramble) nope, it should work
[14:50] <jrib> tsimpson: hmm, the scenario I have in mind is I ban "ubuntu/member/stdin" but then he goes into webchat and doesn't auth.  I believe if you don't auth with a normal client, you would still be banned.  But with webchat you can circumvent the ban
[14:51] <Myrtti> tsimpson: errrrr.
[14:51] <tsimpson> jrib: no, if I don't auth I don't get a cloak, so I won't be banned with any client
[14:51] <jrib> tsimpson: no way
[14:52] <tsimpson> the server would have no way of knowing I am ubuntu/member/stdin so can't act
[14:52] <jrib> that's silly
[14:52] <tsimpson> that's just the way the auth system works
[14:53] <jrib> tsimpson: but if I ban an ip, having a cloak would not circumvent the ban?
[14:53] <tsimpson> you're not banning a cloak exactly, you're banning a host (which is faked when I auth)
[14:53] <tsimpson> jrib: yes, because the server can see my IP, regardless of my cloak
[14:54] <Myrtti_> funky realname I've got
[14:54] <tsimpson> eg: if you run /userhost jrib, you get your IP
[14:55] <jrib> tsimpson: seems like if I ban a cloak the server should make sure the ip gets banned (even if that's not the way it works now)
[14:56] <tsimpson> but that would expose the IP to everyone
[14:56] <tomaw> what if you ban *!*@ubuntu/member/* ?
[14:56] <jrib> tsimpson: do it internally
[14:56] <tomaw> how would you remove the hidden ban
[14:57] <jrib> tomaw: I'd remove the ban on the cloak
[14:57] <tsimpson> jrib: and what if I used a shared system, or a .edu block?
[14:57] <tsimpson> then someone else tries to join, can't, and no one knows why or how
[14:57] <jrib> tsimpson: I don't follow
[14:57] <tomaw> so you ban *!*@foo/cloak, ircd undoes that and bans *!*@1.2.3.4 but tells you *!*@foo/cloak is still banned so you can remove that whenever?
[14:58] <tomaw> it'd make it nearly impossible for a user to find out what bans match them
[15:01] <jrib> tomaw: I guess this is tsimpson's point as well.  I suppose ideally there would be a way to query which ban is matching a user
[15:11] <Myrtti> my brain is melting
[15:11] <Myrtti> I suppose it would be a good idea to take a shower now before I let something slip that I might regret later
[15:32] <Myrtti> argh, I feel like smacking people
[15:32] <jpds> Myrtti: You might slip, if you had a shower.
[15:33] <Myrtti> jpds: too late
[15:33] <Myrtti> dry already :-)
[15:36] <Myrtti> it's the moisturiser I have to be careful with
[15:42]  * popey feels the need to watch videos on youtube of people spreading butter on the floor outisde showers
[15:43] <IdleOne> hahaha
[15:46] <Myrtti> my forehead starts to hurt from constant headdesking
[15:47] <Myrtti> there's a lot of fail going on the channels
[15:47]  * rww slips a pillow between user and keyboard
[15:47] <Pici> Myrtti: You should get one of those gel wrist rests, they cushion the blow quite a bit.
[15:47] <jpds> rww: Head→desk; otherwise there'd be characters going everywhere.
[15:47] <Myrtti> Pici: perhaps using my penguin mouse mat helps atleast some while choosing one
[15:48] <rww> jpds: Considering how often Myrtti headdesks, I assumed she'd perfected it as a method of typing.
[15:49] <jpds> I say
[15:49] <popey> I'm staggered Myrtti can type at all with those nails!
[15:50] <Myrtti> popey: shorter now, I tend to bite my nails on high stress seasons
[15:50] <Myrtti> :-<
[15:51] <Pici> Myrtti: Like Winter, Summer, Fall and Spring?
[15:51] <Myrtti> Pici: like the past 6 months or so
[15:52] <Pici> Myrtti: :( Sorry.  Just trying to lighten things up.
[15:52] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm running quite low on the humour currently
[16:10] <Pici> sendmail :(
[16:35] <Pici> Augh. #ubuntu's spelling is breaking my brain.
[17:32] <ikonia> unitedpotsmoker trying to ban dodge again
[17:32] <ikonia> genii-around: welcome back, hope you're feeling better
[17:34] <IdleOne> was he still banned?
[17:34] <ikonia> yes
[17:35] <IdleOne> ok
[18:37] <genii-around> ikonia: Thanks!
[20:08] <Myrtti> oh lord what a quit message
[20:10] <IdleOne> Myrtti: you got that?
[20:11] <Myrtti> yeah
[20:11] <IdleOne> k
[20:11] <IdleOne> [CH|LLZ] (~foo@58.sub-75-196-87.myvzw.com)
[20:11] <IdleOne> in case you need it
[20:11] <Myrtti> it was the banforward that I needed
[20:12] <Myrtti> that quit message gave me the chills, ironically
[20:12] <IdleOne> it was, disgusting
[20:15] <Myrtti> o_0
[20:16] <Myrtti> oh my, I think my shell provider is having a hiccup again
[20:18] <Myrtti> but, anyway
[20:19] <Myrtti> I'm glad to notice that it's not just my current lack of sense of humour
[20:19] <Myrtti> good to know someone else didn't like it either
[20:20] <Tm_T> I wonder if anyone could like it
[20:21] <IdleOne> Myrtti: things like that quit message make it so I could become an inmate
[20:22] <IdleOne> makes me consider murder
[20:23] <Myrtti> uhoh
[20:23] <Myrtti> lagggg.
[20:23] <Myrtti> please don't disconnect please don't disconnect please don't disconnect
[20:23] <Myrtti> *sigh* didn't disconnect
[20:23] <Tm_T> Tenue- one?
[20:23] <IdleOne> ?
[20:23] <Myrtti> Tm_T: xob, ping timeouted yesterday evening, took until midmorning today to get back online
[20:24] <Tm_T> ye, Tenue
[20:24] <Myrtti> too little ilines apparently too
[20:24]  * Tm_T has clients on both servers for a good reason
[20:25] <Myrtti> heh, it's not *that* important
[20:25] <Tm_T> not important, but reduces the annoyance (:
[20:44] <Myrtti> can you try catch him I'm on a lagfest here
[20:45] <IdleOne> he keeps joining and parting
[20:45] <Myrtti> quit now apparently
[20:46] <Myrtti> or changed nicks
[20:47] <Myrtti> IdleOne: thanks
[20:47] <IdleOne> np
[20:47] <Myrtti> I feel like smacking a server somewhere
[20:48] <Myrtti> proper good open hand smack
[20:48] <mneptok> excuse me for a moment. i'll be over near the ... uh ... thing that's over there furthest from Myrtti.
[20:51] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I suspect the issue lies on ISP
[20:51] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:51] <Myrtti> but smacking a server is easier than smacking the ethernet cables
[20:52] <IdleOne> I say you walk over to mneptok and smack him, won't help your connection any but should make you feel better
[20:53] <mneptok> IdleOne: i have a wife for such things. and she's good at it.
[20:54] <IdleOne> be a team player dude
[20:54] <IdleOne> take one for the team
[20:54] <mneptok> IdleOne: getting a snow/rain mix here. cool, thunder with snow. but i think it's a *petit peut* more snow than was expected. you'd have a good laugh at tonight'
[20:55] <mneptok> *tonight's meteoroligist melt-down over 2cm
[20:55] <IdleOne> weird, FLA and NM getting snow
[20:55] <IdleOne> NM is new mexico right?
[20:55] <mneptok> we get snow every winter.
[20:55] <mneptok> yup
[20:56] <IdleOne> kids told me they have gotten some flurries but nothing laying on the ground yet, in Philly
[20:56] <IdleOne> (near Philly)
[20:56] <mneptok> we're at almost 2km in elevation, so snow is hardly rare
[20:56] <IdleOne> ah, ok that makes sense
[20:57] <mneptok> but media still does apoplectic.
[20:57] <IdleOne> I didn't realize
[20:57] <mneptok> *goes
[20:57] <Myrtti> may I paste the picture URL now?
[20:57] <IdleOne> sure?
[20:57] <Myrtti> plz plz plz
[20:57] <Myrtti> http://randomfunnypicture.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meanwhile-in-finland.jpg
[20:57] <Myrtti> BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
[20:57] <IdleOne> heh
[20:58] <mneptok> why wait outside if the sauna is full?
[20:58] <mneptok> stay inside and write C
[20:58] <IdleOne> he was drinking tea, trying to cool off some
[20:58] <mneptok> *that's* Finland.
[20:58] <Myrtti> zoink. almost dropped my external hard drive on the floor
[21:14]  * jussi has glögi :D
[21:14] <jussi> just missing a bit of jaloviina to spice it up some
[21:52] <Amaranth> poor ubottu
[21:59] <jpds> Alright.
[22:00] <Amaranth> ubottu: test
[22:00] <Amaranth> phew
[22:23] <Myrtti> wheeeee
[23:38] <ikonia> pleia2: fred who claims to be "new" seems to be very aware of ##club-ubuntu
[23:38] <ikonia> not something a new ubuntu user would find
[23:39] <pleia2> his attitude in general is way out of line
[23:46] <elky> ikonia, actually it's the first in the list for most clients when searching, and they grossly misrepresent themselves to people who find them that way
[23:47] <rww> perhaps we should make ##anubunturoom and +iF it to #ubuntu ;)
[23:47] <elky> nah, that's not really allowed
[23:48] <rww> +if **
[23:48] <rww> ah. the intricacies of channel naming policy escape me
[23:49] <elky> we're not supposed to hold ##'s and forward them to #'s, but technically that only applies to ##ubuntu -> #ubuntu which iirc is staff owned
[23:49] <elky> staff get discretion in this stuff