[07:51] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:51] <gtriderxc> hi
[07:51] <dpm> hey gtriderxc :)
[08:01] <andrejz> morning :)
[08:27] <TiMiDo> hello guys
[08:27] <TiMiDo> i have a question if i want to take over, for ubuntu, in haw language to who'm do i need to speak with?
[08:28] <gtriderxc> ??
[08:30] <dpm> hi TiMiDo, you'll find all the info you need here:
[08:30] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam
[08:53] <gtriderxc> question:
[08:53] <gtriderxc> "At the heart of Ubuntu&#8217;s philosophy is the belief that computing is for everyone. With advanced accessibility tools and hundreds of options like your preferred fonts, color schemes and languages, Ubuntu provides the flexibility to fit real people, whoever they are."
[08:54] <gtriderxc> ubiquity slideshow
[08:54] <gtriderxc> in English there are three lines of text
[08:54] <gtriderxc> once again: in English there are three lines
[08:55] <gtriderxc> !! TWO LINES
[08:55] <ubot4> Factoid 'TWO LINES' not found
[08:55] <gtriderxc> in Polish there will be three lines
[08:56] <gtriderxc> does anybody check if the text in Polish Live CD will be steel on the screen??
[08:57] <gtriderxc> cause in the 10.04 on one screen one of the last line were right at the boarder with no margin
[08:57] <gtriderxc> so are there any limits??
[08:58] <andrejz> @gtriderxc: Design of installer slideshow is probably not done
[08:58] <andrejz> but you might get in contact with the team who is responsible for this and ask about it
[08:59] <gtriderxc> ok i'll try to find 'em
[09:01] <andrejz> otherwise you can simply test it and see if it works or not. if it doesn't then you send a bug report
[09:01] <andrejz> i our case the button "Try Ubuntu" was to narrow for our language
[09:02] <andrejz> so i submitted a bug report and it was fixed within a few days
[09:10] <udienz> dpm: are you there?
[09:11] <udienz> dpm: about master plan, it mean that "The purpose what he/she do"
[09:12] <udienz> not much, only one paragraph
[09:12] <udienz> i currently deffered gary because he won't send an emails
[09:13] <udienz> in Ubuntu-l10n-id tradition, we must send an email contain planning which package want to translate
[09:13] <udienz> or choosing package priority
[09:15] <udienz> since i take control ubuntu-l10n, 3 person accepted
[09:15] <udienz> all sending emails
[09:16] <gtriderxc> "otherwise you can simply test it and see" You mean I'm able to download the slideshow??
[09:20] <dpm> hi udienz. Thanks for the clarification. Do you think you could send him another e-mail, though? I haven't seen the original e-mail, but it seems to me that the "master plan" part was a bit vague. Do you think you could re-send it elaborating on what you want from him? Remember that not everyone is technical or knows about all the translations terminology, so trying to be specific is always best
[09:21] <dpm> udienz, also, is this procedure explained anywhere else? In the wiki or in the team's page?
[09:23] <dpm> gtriderxc, you can test the slideshow in two ways: by testing the Natty ISO (you can do this easily on a virtual machine or in a USB stick) or by testing the translations directly on the slideshow:
[09:23] <dpm> http://dylanmccall.blogspot.com/2010/11/using-ubiquity-slideshow-for-loco.html
[09:23] <udienz> dpm: i send email to him twice https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-l10n-id/msg00014.html
[09:23] <udienz> dpm: yes from this page https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-id
[09:24] <gtriderxc> thx
[09:24] <udienz> dpm: old admin tells me to not approve a person without sending email first
[09:24] <dpm> gtriderxc, here are the instructions to test on a USB: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallUSBKey
[09:25] <dpm> udienz, I think what you are doing is good practice, I was just wondering if the information is clear enough (I cannot read indonesian, I can only use google translate)
[09:26] <dpm> On the page it says just to send an e-mail, it does not say anything about a "master plan" or what the contents of the e-mail should be:
[09:26] <dpm> "Please send your email to ubuntu-l10n-id@lists.launchpad.net, if you won't send confirmation your application will be IGNORED! Thank you for joining the team..."
[09:27] <dpm> I think it would be a good idea to make this message more clear, explaining briefly what you are expecting people to write on the e-mail
[09:27] <dpm> I would also make it more friendly
[09:27] <dpm> "if you won't send confirmation your application will be IGNORED!"
[09:27] <udienz> dpm: but in indonesian already says called "rencana yang ingin Anda lakukan"
[09:27] <dpm> That would definitely not make the team attractive to me
[09:28] <dpm> (that IGNORED message)
[09:28] <udienz> dpm: okay, i will editting it
[09:29] <gtriderxc> I prefer V mashines rather. I do already have 11.04 on one of them
[09:29] <dpm> gtriderxc, sure, whatever you prefer :)
[09:29] <dpm> udienz, here's what google translator returns me:
[09:29] <dpm> http://translate.google.cat/?hl=ca&tab=wT#id|en|Selamat%20mampir%20di%20Tim%20Penterjemah%20Ubuntu%20Indonesia%2C%20dan%20bagi%20Anda%20yang%20ingin%20bergabung%20disini%20silakan%20kirimkan%20email%20ke%20ubuntu-l10n-id%40lists.launchpad.net%20dan%20sertakan%20rencana%20yang%20ingin%20Anda%20lakukan%20di%20Tim%20Penterjemah%20Ubuntu%20Indonesia.%0A%0A%3D%3D%20Semua%20Calon%20anggota%20HARUS%20mengirimkan%20email%20ke%20alamat%20diatas%2C%20atau%2
[09:29] <dpm> 0permohonan%20anda%20akan%20DITOLAK%20%3D%3D%0A%0APanduan%20bagi%20para%20penerjemah%3A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu-id.org%2FLaunchpad%2FMelakukanTerjemahan%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F10s6Sa
[09:30] <dpm> err, well that kind of failed :)
[09:30] <udienz> :)
[09:30] <dpm> :-)
[09:31] <dpm> what I wanted to say was that the translated text says something along the lines of "please send an email to ubuntu-l10n-id@lists.launchpad.net and include the plan you want to do in Ubuntu Indonesian Translators Team"
[09:31] <dpm> If I were someone new who wants to join the Indonesian translations community, I'd be a bit confused by the "include the plan you want to do" part
[09:32] <dpm> (I know google translate does not give an accurate translation, but you get an idea of what I mean)
[09:32] <dpm> I'd suggest:
[09:32] <dpm> * elaborate (briefly) on that part
[09:32] <dpm> * Make the "== All Candidates MUST send an email to the address above, or your application will be DENIED ==" message more friendly
[09:33] <dpm> hi happyaron, are you around?
[09:34] <happyaron> dpm: yes, I am
[09:36] <dpm> hi :) someone forwarded me a message yesterday regarding IME packages, and I saw they were mentioning you and you were on the CC list. However, I cannot quite figure out what the Debian guy wants. Do you know what went on there? (you can reply to me in a private message if you prefer)
[09:37] <happyaron> no need of using private message, :)
[09:37] <udienz> dpm: updated now, thanks!
[09:38] <happyaron> He was CC'ing me, lidaobing - we are maintaining two major IME packages in Debian, and mdz - from Ubuntu
[09:41] <happyaron> We just did something not perfect for Debian Squeeze, so he would like to notice us about the fact we need to know, so we won't miss Debian 7.0. The sender is a Debian Developer, and as far as I know I am the only one still in NM process - Li and mdz are already DDs. The sender has another thought about developer from Ubuntu should also respect Debian release - by doing the correct thing while uploading.
[09:42] <happyaron> IME is the topic we've discussed, about ibus's PYTHONPATH
[09:42] <happyaron> and fcitx's removal
[09:43] <happyaron> That's all.
[09:43] <dpm> thanks udienz. Looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-id, though, what I meant was that if you could elaborate more on the "explain what your plan if you joining this team". "your plan" is very vague. I'd suggest something along the lines of "explain us a bit about yourself and the applications you'd like to translate". Also the "== All Candidates MUST send an email to the address above, or your application will be DENIED ==" message does n
[09:43] <dpm> ot look very friendly to me. I'd recommend not using all caps for community communication. Finally, I'd also recommend writing the text in Indonesian, as the target are new Indonesian translators. I hope you understand I'm not trying to be picky, I'm just trying to help
[09:45] <dpm> happyaron, thanks for the clarification. What do you think we should do from the Ubuntu side? Do you think pointing him to the #debian-ubuntu IRC channel would be a good start?
[09:46] <udienz> dpm: ok, i'll updating again
[09:46] <dpm> udienz, awesome, thanks
[09:47] <happyaron> dpm: Not needed, I think. He just thought we were neglecting Debian, and would like us to do correct thing to make Debian Squeeze has good IMEs
[09:48] <dpm> happyaron, he's probably expecting a reply from the Ubuntu side, and it would be polite from us to send it, though. In the benefit of Debian-Ubuntu relations, what do you think we could tell him?
[09:49] <happyaron> It is probably a common problem of Ubuntu developers start working for Debian, they are familiar with Ubuntu's release process, but doesn't know what should be done.
[09:50] <happyaron> dpm: Well, personally I think only mdz in the recipient should consider a Ubuntu Developer (packaging), I don't know whether we'd ask him to send replies.
[09:51] <happyaron> I noticed the sender continues CC'ing mdz even when he cut down the CC list and try to discuss fcitx with me.
[09:52] <dpm> happyaron, I'm not sure I understand what you mean in the "should consider a Ubuntu Developer (packaging)" part. mdz has asked if we could look into this, that's also why I'm asking
[09:53] <happyaron> mdz starts to working on Ubuntu first, and he become a Debian Developer after he was already contribute to Ubuntu a lot.
[09:54] <happyaron> Other people in the CC list (including me) doesn't maintain any package directly in Ubuntu.
[09:54] <dpm> oh, I see
[09:55] <dpm> ok, thanks for the clarification happyaron, that gives me the context I needed :)
[09:55] <happyaron> :)
[10:00] <dpm> happyaron, there is one thing I don't understand. Howcome does he think mdz is the package maintainer in Ubuntu? Looking at e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ibus-anthy, the package maintainer is "Ubuntu Core Developers"
[10:03] <happyaron> Ubuntu usually set package maintainer to a team, for example "Ubuntu Core Developers", "Ubuntu MOTU Developers", "Ubuntu Kernel Team", "Ubuntu Desktop Team", etc. Even the "Maintainer" field doesn't have an @ubuntu.com email, the package lint tool will return warnings.
[10:05] <happyaron> Looking at mdz's Launchpad profile, he is a member of ubuntu-core-dev and ubuntu-archive teams, so he has almost full access to almost any package in Ubuntu repository
[10:07] <dpm> happyaron, yeah, I know that, but that does not mean he's the maintainer. It could have been anyone in the core dev team. In any case, that answers my question, thanks!
[10:10] <happyaron> dpm: :)
[10:13] <udienz> dpm: currently i'm working to fixing bug 514401
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 514401 in checkbox (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Translations are not loaded for the test descriptions in Checkbox (affects: 1) (heat: 13)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514401
[10:13] <dpm> udienz, ah, yes I saw that, that's awesome!
[10:14] <dpm> udienz, and good work on the team info at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-id, it looks so much better now
[10:14] <udienz> dpm: and thannks for your suggestions
[10:14] <dpm> no worries :)
[10:15] <dpm> udienz, did you find the root cause? AFAIK, Gabor's patch improved the situation, but he said it didn't yet solve the issue
[10:17] <udienz> dpm: following last review Gabor's patch works wellbut cannot merge to maverick
[10:17] <udienz> because it can break translations
[10:18] <dpm> udienz, right, good point. I think having it in Natty would be a big improvement already. So have you tried if now translations are properly loaded?
[10:21] <udienz> dpm: not yet, but if i try to load this page https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/checkbox/+pots/checkbox/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Fingerprint+login+verification+procedure
[10:21] <dpm> udienz, also, if you've got any questions on checkbox, I'd suggest talking to cr3 on #ubuntu-devel, he's the developer (he'll be up in a few hours)
[10:21] <udienz> still happen in natty
[10:21] <udienz> dpm: ok
[11:11] <udienz> dpm: http://imagebin.org/128148 it works!
[11:12] <dpm> udienz, awesome \o/
[11:12] <dpm> good work!
[11:13] <dpm> udienz, I see you are not using an Indonesian version of Ubuntu there? :P
[11:14] <udienz> dpm: yesterday i change my language because i have problem with packaging :D
[11:14] <dpm> hehehe
[11:40] <gtriderxc> "OpenOffice.org is fully compatible with Microsoft Office and has everything you need to create professional documents, spreadsheets and presentations. OpenOffice.org is easy to use, packed with the features you need and completely free."
[11:40] <gtriderxc> I heard that there's gonna be no open office in 11.04??
[11:41] <andrejz> yes that's the plan
[11:41] <andrejz> these strings should change before 11.04 is relaeased
[11:41] <andrejz> maybe you should report it to the team (either slideshow or documentation i don't know what you are looking at), so they don't forget
[11:42] <andrejz> in a similar fashion F-spot was changed by Shotwell in the slideshow in the last moment
[11:42] <gtriderxc> slideshow
[11:44] <gtriderxc> ok
[14:12] <gtriderxc> A Polish translation sugestion for Natty: "Thank you for choosing Ubuntu 10.10. This version brings some " :))
[14:22] <dpm> good thing it was a suggestion only, and not an actual translation then ;)
[14:33] <gtriderxc> but actually "Thank you for choosing Ubuntu 10.10. This version brings some exciting changes including a new sound menu, the Shotwell photo manager and features that make it even easier to find and install new software. While Ubuntu is installed, this slideshow will show you around." ain't suitable for 11.04 anymore. will there be a new  sound menu??
[14:34] <gtriderxc> i think it is a lil bit to early for translating the ubiquity slideshow
[15:50] <dpm> Translators and everyone else, if you want to learn more about Ubuntu translations and ask your questions, join me in 15 minutes at the Ubuntu Translations videocast:
[15:50] <dpm> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ubuntu-translations-with-david-planella
[15:50] <dpm> :-)
[16:33] <Andre_Gondim> dpm, I can't stay to the end, sorry
[17:05] <dpm> Andre_Gondim, no worries, thanks for participating!
[17:05] <dpm> and thanks to everyone else!