[07:24] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:33] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:34] <Apacheuk> morning
[08:39] <directhex> bleh
[08:43] <nperry_> morning o/
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning
[08:50] <BigRedS> morning all!!
[08:50] <BigRedS> Wow, two exclamation marks
[08:51] <BigRedS> I didn't realise I was that excited :)
[08:51] <MooDoo> BigRedS: it's because it's nearly christmas :D
[08:51] <screen-x> Anyone know of a better cpu stress test than cpuburn?
[08:52] <BigRedS> however close it is to christmas, it's still <9am :)
[08:52]  * Mez is excited
[08:52] <Mez> new car in 2 hours :D
[08:52] <BigRedS> whoop!
[08:52] <screen-x> cpuburn can't get my CPUs to 70deg...
[08:52]  * BigRedS found something else wrong with his bike this morning :(
[08:52] <screen-x> Mez: what are you getting?
[08:53] <Mez> screen-x: Vauxhall Insignia
[08:53] <screen-x> oooh, nice :)
[08:53] <screen-x> company/personal?
[08:53] <Mez> lmao - I'm at home - just saw one of my Developers sign into facebook, so I told him off :D
[08:53] <Mez> Personal
[08:53]  * BigRedS tells Mez off for signing in to facebook
[08:53] <MooDoo> Mez: you rotter :)
[08:53] <Mez> BigRedS: why ?
[08:54] <Mez> MooDoo: if he doesn't do the work - I'm the one that accountable.
[08:54] <BigRedS> Ah, I just like the idea of being told off by a boss for doing what the boss is doing :)
[08:54] <MooDoo> Mez: i know i'm teasin :D
[08:54] <Mez> BigRedS: I'm at home - he's at work
[08:54] <screen-x> Mez: you have the morning off?
[08:55] <Mez> (or if he isn't - gets told off for not ringing me and informing me he's late)
[08:55] <BigRedS> Mez: yeah, I was joking :)
[08:55] <Mez> screen-x: to pick up the car :D
[08:55] <MooDoo> Mez: i'm guessing it's your business?
[08:55] <Mez> MooDoo: nope.
[08:55] <daubers> Morning
[08:55] <screen-x> morning daubers :)
[08:56] <Mez> MooDoo: I'm just in charge of the IT Team
[08:57] <Mez> (well, in theory, I'm in charge of only the infrastructure side of things - but as I'm the deputy to the guy who's in charge, and he's away till 4th Jan ... )
[08:57]  * screen-x is also in charge of the IT team.. which consists entirely of himself. 
[08:58]  * dwatkins is in charge of the linux NAS server team
[08:58] <BigRedS> Oh man, I was like that briefly once
[08:58] <BigRedS> not fun
[08:58] <BigRedS> (on my own, not in charge of nas)
[08:58] <screen-x> BigRedS: yeah, its not great :-/
[08:59] <screen-x> need to be in a team really.
[08:59]  * Mez shrugs
[08:59] <MooDoo> me isn't in charge of anything, just 2nd level :D
[08:59] <BigRedS> I think I'm in charge of coffee provisioning at the minute
[08:59] <Mez> I'm fine - I've got the owner of the company working with me at the moment to run the department
[08:59]  * daubers is supposedly in charge of testing/development/inrastructure/anything else other people don't want to do that needs to be done
[09:00] <Mez> daubers: lol
[09:00] <BigRedS> 'cause the only coffee anyone will drink isn't sold anywhere particularly near here, so every time I go to London I have to come back with a month's supply of coffee
[09:01] <dwatkins> BigRedS: can't you order it or get it from Macro/CostCo?
[09:03] <Mez> BigRedS: Make sure I never work for your company.  I don't drink coffee - and I only drink Orange Pekoe Tea, which is fecking hard to find in the UK
[09:04] <BigRedS> Mez: it's a specific decaff coffee
[09:04] <BigRedS> Waitrose own-brand Peruvian decaff
[09:05] <Mez> meh
[09:05] <Mez> orange pekoe is harder to find
[09:05] <BigRedS> haha, quite probably. We do get the occasional Tea Pigs shipment
[09:05] <Mez> BigRedS: http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Organic-Peru-Decaffeinated-Coffee-Waitrose/39790011?parentContainer=SEARCHperuvian%20decaf
[09:05] <BigRedS> Mez: they don't deliver to us
[09:06] <BigRedS> we're in the middle of nowhere
[09:06] <Mez> BigRedS: lol - fail...
[09:06] <BigRedS> yeah
[09:06] <Mez> My step brother used to work for Ocado :)
[09:06] <Mez> He built their picking robots, and their iPhone app
[09:06] <BigRedS> oooh
[09:06] <BigRedS> Seems quite a diverse pair of projects
[09:07] <Mez> yup
[09:07] <Mez> I think he did other stuff too.
[09:07] <Mez> And I think he onl built the software for the robots...
[09:07] <BigRedS> ahh
[09:14] <nperry_> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[09:14] <nperry_> Hmmmmm any ideas as to why :(
[09:14] <dwatkins> what does google say, nperry_ ?
[09:14] <Mez> nperry_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=passwd%3A+Authentication+token+manipulation+error
[09:15] <nperry_> Not enuff caffeine to google :/
[09:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:20] <Mez> aloha czajkowski
[09:27] <mattt> morning all
[09:31] <screen-x> mersenne > cpuburn, 2x cores at 70 already.
[09:36] <popey> morning
[09:36] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:37] <danfish> morning
[09:38] <danfish> how lazy is it to buy your brother and sister's xmas pressies on amazon, get it gift wrapped there and sent to their house?
[09:38] <danfish> d'ya think that's 'acceptable' these days?
[09:38] <MooDoo> danfish: not lazy, convenient.
[09:38] <czajkowski> danfish: practical
[09:39] <awilkins> ali1234, I pasted up that "cached Flash video grabbing" script I mentioned the other day : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544354/
[09:39] <Apacheuk> danfish: even worse if you just get them an amazon voucher
[09:40] <danfish> they
[09:40] <Apacheuk> hey can I ask a backup question?
[09:41] <danfish> oops- they live miles away and I won't be seeing them over xmas so I suppose it's better than nothing!
[09:41] <Apacheuk> what do you guys do for off-site backup? is there a Carbonite type service that works with Linux?
[09:42] <awilkins> I'm just not so into the whole "present" gig ; I'm fine with presents where someone genuinely spontaneously thought of it (like the signed limited edition copy of Terry Pratchett's Nation that my sister got me because Terry was in town signing copies) ; but presents that people get you just because they feel obligated to - I'd rather not have them and I'd rather not put them through the stress of buying them.
[09:42] <MooDoo> Apacheuk: backups? ;)
[09:42] <awilkins> Apacheuk, For personal stuff, I'm reasonably happy with Dropbox at the moment, but I'm guessing that doesn't cut it for corporate types
[09:44] <Apacheuk> I was kinda hoping for app/service where I could mark files/directories for backup
[09:44] <Apacheuk> and they are just backup automatically
[09:44] <awilkins> Ubuntu One will let you mark folders for backup
[09:46] <Apacheuk> awilkins: true
[09:47] <MooDoo> Apacheuk: spideroak?
[09:47] <Apacheuk> I suppose I could write a script to backup files/dirs into a "backup" directory and sync that with ubuntuone..... but I'm lazy :)
[09:48] <danfish> awilkins: couldn't agree more re presents. Nice script BTW
[09:50] <Apacheuk> MooDoo: cheers, am on their site now.... they have an Android app to
[09:50] <MooDoo> Apacheuk: if you go with them, just don't forget your password lol
[09:52] <Apacheuk> MooDoo: Am going through the whole Gawker change all my passwords at the moment.... real pain in the ass, someone needs to solve this problem
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: don't use the same password everywhere, problem sovled? :)
[10:00] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: well, one problem exchanged for a different one :)
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: vim + gpg extension + big password file = win :)
[10:01] <awilkins> OpenID kinda fixes it
[10:02] <awilkins> Change your password in one place - bam
[10:02] <awilkins> Of course, if someone compromises the OpenID provider....
[10:02] <awilkins> ... not sure how dangerous that would be
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: and then nobody understands openid because it uses URLs to login instead of a username/password
[10:04] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, but then you need that file and gpg everywhere you might want to log in
[10:05] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: I don't generally, I have around 10 different ones that I use for "normal" sites, all strong... trouble is I can't remember which one is likely to be compromised.... so safer to change 'em all
[10:07] <daubers> I just write mine down on a piece of paper and hide it away in the study at home
[10:08] <daubers> analog ftw \o/
[10:08]  * MartijnVdS scans daubers' study with a tricorder and knows his password now
[10:09] <daubers> MartijnVdS: The lead pipe attack defeats encryption most days anyway
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> hah, I know it as the "rubber hose method"
[10:09] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Or the "ginger beer trick"
[10:10] <Apacheuk> system I use is... I have 13 passwords matched to 2 letters each of the alphabet, I then take the first 2 letter of the domain name and pick the 2 passwords that match those letter and join them together
[10:10] <awilkins> I thought the "ginger beer trick" was just a way of making people imagine their own worst torture (involving ginger beer)
[10:11] <daubers> awilkins: Yep, quite a good way to get encryption keys out of someone I'd say :)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: it's actually a real "method"
[10:13] <awilkins> The orifice involved is not the one I thought it would be
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: a dirty mind is a joy forever? 8-)
[10:35] <daubers> Urgh, coffee time shortly I think
[10:35]  * screen-x had to make a speedy exit from work, as he was supposed to be at home to let the glaziers in..
[10:52] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:52] <MooDoo> morning
[10:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: How's life?
[10:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye not bad, proding czajkowski is going swimmingly, i'm ready for christmas and ready for england trouncing ireland at the world cup next year ;)
[10:54]  * davmor2 ties czajkowski hair to her chair
[10:56] <bittin> http://cindye.dyndns.info/phpsysinfo/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic    :)
[10:56] <bittin> morning
[10:56]  * czajkowski locks davmor2 and MooDoo in a room together for the new year and give us all some peace and quiet 
[10:56] <MooDoo> czajkowski: and i was going to make you queen of the winter carnival :p
[11:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: well that's you off the card list :P
[11:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: was she actually on it? lol
[11:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: Of course everyone is on the list, honest Gov'nor
[11:06] <MooDoo> Merry Christmas from me to you.....
[11:06] <MooDoo> there you go, there is my card
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: You got it wrong again.  Leave it till the 24th and just Merry Christmas Everyone done :)
[11:09] <MooDoo> ah there is that one
[11:40] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:40] <bigcalm> I'm still alive then :)
[11:41] <bigcalm> VirginMedia are being horribly dodgy this week
[11:41]  * screen-x plots
[11:41] <bigcalm> screen-x: do you have a scheme, or do you need to do some of that as well?
[11:43] <screen-x> bigcalm: maybe later, your demise isnt a high priority ;-)
[11:44] <bigcalm> screen-x: I don't know whether to be pleased or dissapointed
[11:45] <selinuxium> Morning all    o/
[11:45] <screen-x> I'm not sure how I feel about VM, people who use it have problems, but its got to be better than adsl...
[11:45] <screen-x> yo selinuxium
[11:46] <bigcalm> screen-x: I have had no problems with my Bytemark VM
[11:46] <screen-x> bigcalm: virgin media...
[11:46] <bigcalm> Ph
[11:46] <bigcalm> Oh
[11:47] <bigcalm> You have the choice between ADSL and Cable?!
[11:47] <screen-x> no :(
[11:47] <screen-x> ADSL only here.
[11:47] <bigcalm> Ah, ok. I was confused
[11:47] <bigcalm> Yeah, you've got to use what you've got...
[11:47] <bigcalm> I've had problems with VM now and then. But you get problems with any provider
[11:48] <bigcalm> Other than that, very good service
[11:48] <screen-x> but if you're in a cabled area, then presumably you do have the choice between cable and ADSL.
[11:48] <bigcalm> I do
[11:48] <bigcalm> I have the choice of 5mb ADSL or 20mb Cable
[11:48] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[11:48] <screen-x> Infact cable + infinity, would make quite a  nice pair of diverse connections..
[11:48] <bigcalm> I would have the 50mb cable package, but I cannie have it with our discount
[11:49] <screen-x> Just noticed the internet archive plugin for banshee, seems to have a load of free concert recordings, is that legit?
[11:49] <bigcalm> Oh, I guess I could have ADSL as well. But I've got more bills to pay than I really want
[11:51] <danfish> bigcalm: are you using their telephone service as well?
[11:51] <bigcalm> danfish: Have to, it's part of Mate's Rates
[11:52] <bigcalm> Though the land line is rarely used
[11:52] <bigcalm> GF and I both use our mobiles for everything
[11:52] <bigcalm> -'
[11:54] <bigcalm> Mornin' Daviey
[11:55] <bigcalm> My Tesco lipbalm has a best before date. How weird
[11:55] <daubers> \o/
[11:55] <daubers> Somedays I love pulseaudio
[11:56]  * daubers plays sound on this machine and listens to it through -> that one
[11:56] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:56] <Daviey> afternoon bigcalm :)
[11:56]  * bigcalm kicks di.fm due to lack of workingness
[11:57] <bigcalm> Daviey: pre-empting it being afternoon?
[11:57] <Daviey> bigcalm: pre-empting it being friday :P
[11:57] <bigcalm> Mmmmmmmmmm, Friday
[11:57] <screen-x> noo
[11:58] <bigcalm> Too much to do?
[11:58] <screen-x> !friday
[11:58] <bigcalm> !wednesday
[11:58] <bigcalm> !weekend
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> is it?
[11:59] <bigcalm> If we all agree it to be so, then it shall be
[11:59] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: no, not friday.
[12:08] <shauno> that was a fun panic.  you had me convinced it was friday for a few minutes there.
[12:12] <shauno> that said, I didn't know it was thursday either, so atleast it promoted me to set dirk gently to record
[12:12] <popey> oooo
[12:13] <bigcalm> Ooo
[12:13] <bigcalm> Bugger
[12:13]  * bigcalm throws himself down the stairs
[12:14] <screen-x> nooo
[12:17]  * gord throws screen-x down the stairs after him
[12:18] <screen-x> Nooooooooo!
[12:18] <screen-x> thud
[12:19]  * bigcalm limps back into the room
[12:19] <bigcalm> That's the V+ box set
[12:20] <X3N> mmmm 40mbit
[12:21] <daubers> Not sure it'll be as good as the Harry Enfield radio play one
[12:22] <bigcalm> Is it a one off show?
[12:27] <screen-x> How long would you stress test a server for before declaring it stable?
[12:28] <bigcalm> Depends on what you are testing
[12:28] <bigcalm> If you are testing cronjobs, then a year
[12:28] <screen-x> CPUs at the moment
[12:29] <screen-x> bigcalm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544404/
[12:30] <bigcalm> quad cpu with quad cores?
[12:30] <screen-x> Dual quad with HT
[12:31] <bigcalm> Ok
[12:31] <screen-x> been going for about 2 hours, seems ok. Max core temp is about 72.
[12:31] <MooDoo> hello
[12:31] <screen-x> moo
[12:32] <Azelphur> Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this cron job? * 8-0 * * 1-5
[12:32] <Azelphur> it's supposed to fire from 8am to midnight weekdays, but it doesn't seem to be firing
[12:33] <screen-x> Azelphur: every minute?
[12:33] <Azelphur> yup
[12:33] <screen-x> 8-23 possibly
[12:33] <Azelphur> but 23 is 11 that misses an hour? :(
[12:34] <Azelphur> oh wait, it goes to 23:59 doesn't it
[12:34] <screen-x> yeah
[12:35] <dwatkins> It's supposed to run every minute, Azelphur?
[12:35] <Azelphur> yup
[12:35] <dwatkins> yeah, so if you want it to run from 08:00 to 23:59, use 8-23
[12:36] <Azelphur> :)
[12:42] <screen-x> \o/ RIPE atlas probe arrived
[12:46] <aaronr> is it possible to send sound over an NX connection?
[12:46] <aaronr> not a big deal if not, just curious if there's a quick and easy solution.
[12:47] <aaronr> mostly just for sending audio from webpages/flash
[12:50] <popey> one for AlanBell  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Chickens-2011-Wall-Calendar/dp/0810989131/ref=pd_ys_ir_b_fb_5
[12:50] <MooDoo> heheh
[12:50] <MooDoo> popey: remind me not to paste that into a sql query though lol
[12:53] <popey> :)
[12:55] <kazade> popey, has your house been evacuated yet? :pp
[12:55] <jpds> Protesters at popey's?
[12:55] <kazade> http://i.imgur.com/WRuaO.jpg
[12:56] <kazade> worse!
[12:56] <kazade> he looks hungry..
[12:56] <BigRedS> haha
[12:56] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:02] <AlanBell> popey: I have last years!
[13:03] <popey> heh
[13:12] <gord> kazade, its okay, help has arrived http://gordallott.com/img/popeybattle.jpg
[13:20] <popey> haha
[13:21] <bigcalm> popey: wifi camera?
[13:21] <popey> hmm?
[13:21] <bigcalm> The image of the garden, I assume it's yours
[13:23] <screen-x> bigcalm: who else has dinosaurs and film characters round their water feature?
[13:23] <bigcalm> screen-x: indeed
[13:24] <popey> yes
[13:24] <popey> no, not wifi
[13:24] <popey> usb
[13:25] <bigcalm> Oh. So long lead or computer in a shead?
[13:25] <bigcalm> shed
[13:25] <gord> bah, can't use braid with two monitors, it does that thing where it just sits in the middle
[13:31] <directhex> gord: nice
[13:31] <directhex> gord: file a bug!
[13:32] <danfish> ~
[13:33] <danfish> ^^??
[13:33] <danfish> I swear this putty client is trying to drive me nuts!
[13:34] <gord> eh i don't really like braid all that much anyway
[13:35] <gord> mario is more fun
[13:35] <gord> Osmosis is better :)
[13:35] <directhex> they're different genres
[13:36] <directhex> mario is a platform game, braid is an action puzzler
[13:37] <gord> doesn't matter, mario still more fun. i don't like the dumb puzzles in braid. there is one where (if you want to fully complete the game) you have to litterally sit and wait 10 minutes or so doing nothing else for a cloud to slowly make its way across the map. no thanks
[13:37] <gord> i own braid 3 times now, thats a lot for a game i'm not fond of
[13:37] <directhex> i own turok 2 twice
[13:37] <directhex> and gta4
[13:37] <directhex> and those both suck
[13:39] <screen-x> oooh  'E' in the output of ping -f
[13:57] <screen-x> Any idea what these ping errors signify? I am pinging an IP address that is not in use. http://paste.ubuntu.com/544435/
[13:58] <popey> ooo never seen that way of doing it
[13:58] <popey> i tend not to use ping these days anyway, mtr ftw
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> mtr \o/
[14:00] <kazade> mtr?
[14:00] <bigcalm> mtr++
[14:01] <popey> mrt!
[14:01] <popey> FOOL!
[14:01] <kazade> sigh yet another thing I should've known about and would have saved me numerous times :/
[14:01] <MooDoo> youtube, twitter and facebook are merging
[14:01] <MooDoo> details at youtwitface.com
[14:01] <MooDoo> :D
[14:02] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[14:03] <screen-x> werid, if I do mtr between my workstation and a local server, I get no packet loss, but If do mtr between my workstation and an unused IP in the servers subnet, I get 20% packet loss
[14:03] <popey> sure its not unused?
[14:04] <screen-x> yeah, I should point out that the 20% loss pointed out by mtr, was between my workstation and the internal router
[14:04] <screen-x> but there wasn't any packet loss when testing with an ip address that is in use.
[14:05] <popey> neat
[14:05] <popey> got a vpn open?
[14:05] <screen-x> no, all routes via wired ethernet
[14:06] <Flashtek> o/
[14:06] <popey> o/
[14:06] <Flashtek> how is everyone ?
[14:06] <MooDoo> Flashtek: i'm ok thanks :D
[14:06] <jpds> popey: o7
[14:07] <Flashtek> MooDoo: good good :)
[14:07] <Flashtek> Is everyone warm enough ?
[14:07] <screen-x> yep, about to turn the heating off
[14:08] <Flashtek> splendid.. mine has not been on in over 72 hours
[14:09] <screen-x> maybe daubers could install one his arduino stats in here
[14:09] <daubers> hmmmm?
[14:09] <Flashtek> do what ?
[14:09] <daubers> Does IRC require heating these days?
[14:10]  * popey warms up the valves
[14:11]  * screen-x overdoes the 'room' metaphor sometimes. 
[14:11] <kazade> popey, I mentioned to my Mum earlier that I know someone with a webcam in their garden, her response was "Why?" ...
[14:12] <daubers> Hmmm... managed to ssh into the wrong box with the wrong password.....
[14:12] <screen-x> daubers: bad news
[14:12] <popey> kazade: technically it's not in my garden, it's in my house, pointing to the garden
[14:12] <kazade> ah I see
[14:12] <popey> kazade: the "why" was to monitor snow at home whilst I'm at work
[14:12] <popey> which I think is sensible :)
[14:12] <kazade> right, I wondered what the right answer was
[14:12] <kazade> :p
[14:12] <popey> :)
[14:12] <popey> also i like making those time lapse videos
[14:12] <kazade> all I managed was "er.."
[14:12] <screen-x> daubers: time for a chat with pam?
[14:12] <popey> and on a clear night you can get a nice lapse of the moon and stars
[14:13] <kazade> any online?
[14:13] <Flashtek> popey: I have 2 cameras...
[14:13] <popey> yup kazade
[14:13] <popey> http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
[14:13]  * Flashtek ponders ZM
[14:14] <popey> might upload some more
[14:16] <MooDoo> can't believe i'm watching this again
[14:16] <Flashtek> ?
[14:16] <kazade> popey, just scanned through the first one. It's good, the plots a little thin and the ending a bit of a disappointment, but besides that I'd watch it again ;)
[14:16] <MooDoo> Flashtek: popeys back garden
[14:16] <popey> hah
[14:16] <Flashtek> MooDoo: oohh..
[14:17] <kazade> popey, Daily Express says "4 stars"
[14:17] <kazade> "Best action film of the year"
[14:17] <Flashtek> lol
[14:17] <Flashtek> says a lot..
[14:18]  * kazade ponders superimposing a T-rex on a time lapse video
[14:18]  * popey hugs mencoder
[14:19] <popey> poor little acer revo getting beaten up
[14:19]  * Oli`` found his revo is surprisingly capable of playing Braid
[14:20]  * kazade really needs to get around to trying Braid
[14:20] <kazade> I played Machinarium for a bit yesterday, that's a really cool game
[14:20] <kazade> reminds me of Discworld.. a game I played back in the 90s... somewhen
[14:23] <bigcalm> popey: do you live in a flight path?
[14:23] <popey> i do
[14:23] <popey> see a plane go over?
[14:23] <bigcalm> Yeah
[14:23] <popey> TAG runs Farnborough Airport
[14:24] <bigcalm> Who
[14:24] <bigcalm> ?
[14:24] <popey> watches
[14:24] <popey> sports cars
[14:24] <popey> airports
[14:24] <screen-x> wouldnt that be WSCA?
[14:24] <popey> I think the Gov sold it to them for £1
[14:25] <popey> which quite annoyed a lot of people, given it was developed by the public purse
[14:25] <popey> but hey ho, thats #politics :)
[14:26] <daubers> screen-x: Ah! It was the right password for the wrong box, was looking at the wrong terminator pane
[14:26] <czajkowski> hmm this laptop is sounding rather dodgey with the sounds coming from it
[14:26] <czajkowski> not good
[14:26] <bigcalm> Seeing as my Wednesday grazebox still hasn't arrived, time to get the pork chow mein out of the fridge!
[14:27] <screen-x> bigcalm: and some late credit..
[14:27] <bigcalm> screen-x: na. I'm easing off of the "where's my box?" button for a while
[14:27] <bigcalm> It's xmas and royal mail...
[14:27] <daubers> Now the game is "Lets see how well OOo copes with graphing 136340 rows"
[14:28] <screen-x> prediction: not as well as gnuplot
[14:29] <Flashtek> :)
[14:29] <bigcalm> Amazon are cool. A CD I ordered on the 30th Nov, estimated for 4th Dec, arrived 14th Dec. Amazon emailed me to say they have refunded the cost of the CD due to late arrival
[14:29] <Flashtek> bigcalm: nice
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I ordered GT5, didn't get it, they resent it for free
[14:30] <bigcalm> Just surprised that they gave me a refund but don't want the CD back
[14:30] <daubers> It actually copes relativley well. Shame it's only using a single core though
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: too much hassle, I guess.. it's cheaper to let you keep it
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: and to create a good customer experience ;)
[14:34] <gord> snowing \o/
[14:35] <BigRedS> Which is default in 10.10, shotwell or f-spot?
[14:35] <MooDoo> gord snap
[14:35] <gord> shotwell
[14:35] <MooDoo> +1
[14:35] <popey> shotwell
[14:35] <popey> i have imported a bazillion images into shotwell
[14:35] <popey> it tells me sometimes that it can't import images for whatever reason and tells me in a dialog box with some of the filenames in
[14:36] <popey> which is utterly useless
[14:36] <BigRedS> Ah, I'm just wondering which one to get round to working out how to crop a photo in
[14:36] <popey> neither, use picasa :)
[14:36] <BigRedS> Haha
[14:37] <BigRedS> It's taking a lot of restraint to not just install teh gimp
[14:37] <popey> does the computer belong to someone else?
[14:37] <screen-x> BigRedS: Just do it,
[14:39] <BigRedS> not really. It's my work PC but I can have whatever I want on it
[14:39] <popey> I should tilt the cam to point back up a bit, get more sky in
[14:39] <kazade> it's really annoying that "Eye of Gnome" doesn't have crop :;
[14:39] <kazade> :/
[14:39] <popey> sooooo install gimp? :)
[14:39] <BigRedS> I designated this the PC i try to do things 'properly' on
[14:40] <BigRedS> which, I've found, means occasionally finding that new things are better than old things
[14:40] <BigRedS> but I've got to try the new things in order to do that. Like empathy, does XMPP priority, which pidgin doesn't.
[14:45] <screen-x> xmpp priority?
[14:54] <BigRedS> screen-x: yeah, so when you've two hosts connected, you say which one's to get all the messages. Means I can stay logged on at work, then when I connect from my laptop I still see messages
[14:54] <BigRedS> everything going to everything would be more ideal, but doesn't appear to be part of the protocol
[14:55] <daubers> GAH! Can't concentrate
[14:55] <daubers> Need moar caffeine
[15:13] <screen-x> BigRedS: sounds useful, though I tend to cheat in that situation and use nx.
[15:17] <BigRedS> screen-x: Ah, I've pondered doing that, but it'd involve sticking X on my server
[15:17] <andylockran> guys - just got this on some files:  ?---------  ? ? ? ?            ? Logo
[15:17] <andylockran> anyone know how to reset the permissions?
[15:18] <popey> is it on a remote filesystem?
[15:23] <andylockran> yeah
[15:23] <andylockran> two peoples home folders are like that
[15:24] <popey> umount/remount?
[15:25] <screen-x> mount -o remount
[15:31] <Azelphur> I had fun last night, was up till 5am getting per-user bandwith monitoring going on my router :(
[15:31] <Azelphur> someone is using ~5GB a day of my 60GB peak allowanc
[15:31] <Azelphur> allowance* :(
[15:31] <andylockran> l
[15:31] <popey> Azelphur: at home?
[15:31] <Azelphur> yup
[15:31] <popey> heh
[15:32] <Azelphur> think I've found the culprit though
[15:32] <Azelphur> 444MB download in <3 hours
[15:32] <popey> go on, dish the dirt, who was it!?
[15:32] <popey> mum torrenting videos?
[15:33] <Azelphur> 00:26:5E:09:1C:90!
[15:33]  * Azelphur isn't actually sure who that is, yet
[15:33] <Azelphur> it might be the lodger.
[15:33] <popey> an ATI motherboard possibly
[15:33] <jpds> Azelphur: We don't know who they are, but we have an IP address!
[15:33] <Azelphur> jpds: exactly! xD
[15:33] <Azelphur> so many computers in this house >.>
[15:34] <popey> cant you just like..
[15:34] <jpds> Azelphur: Firewall their connection, and the first person to complain is it.
[15:34] <popey> (now I know this is going to sound _mental_)
[15:34] <popey> "ask them"?
[15:34] <Azelphur> popey: I did
[15:34] <Azelphur> everyone says "It wasn't me"
[15:34]  * screen-x stabs 82.13.9.112
[15:34] <popey> if you have the mac address then you have the IP surely?
[15:35] <Azelphur> yea, 192.168.1.109
[15:35] <popey> tcpdump and you'll probably have their logons :)
[15:35] <Azelphur> but it doesn't respond to ping :p
[15:35] <Azelphur> so it's not on atm, I reckon it's the lodger just not sure yet
[15:35] <jpds> Azelphur: But does it respond to: sudo nmap -O -A -PN -v 192.168.1.109 ?
[15:35] <Azelphur> jpds: nope :p
[15:36] <Azelphur> popey: haha
[15:36] <popey> probably off right now, is the lodger in?
[15:36] <Azelphur> nope, he's at work
[15:36] <popey> evidence is mounting
[15:36] <Azelphur> he runs windows too, so probably limewire or something nasty
[15:36] <Azelphur> yea
[15:36] <Azelphur> popey: that said, I enjoy my dad footing the bill anyway, I told him this would happen months ago
[15:37] <Azelphur> said we needed to switch to something unlimited as my mum was using it and we was getting students in too
[15:37] <Azelphur> so it's amusing that he's having to fork out £10 a day for being rude and not listening :)
[15:37] <BigRedS> £10/day for overage?
[15:37]  * BigRedS is in the wrong industry
[15:37] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea, £10/day for the 10GB a day someone is using apparently lol
[15:38] <Azelphur> every time we get throttled I just jump on 3g
[15:38] <BigRedS> ah, so it's £1/day per GB over the limit?
[15:38] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea it's pretty much £1 per GB over
[15:38] <Azelphur> or throttle to "128k" (0.03mbps)
[15:39] <Azelphur> it's a terrible deal
[15:39] <popey> personally I'd just cut him off
[15:39] <popey> (at the knees)
[15:40] <BigRedS> If you've got lodgers, I'd want a box doing monitorign such that you know who to blame when something like this happens
[15:40]  * bigcalm puts popey on his "do not anger" list
[15:40] <czajkowski> popey: remind me not to piss you off please
[15:40] <popey> heh
[15:40] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea I have that now
[15:40] <BigRedS> He has a dinosaur in his garden, I already had him on that list
[15:40]  * bigcalm hugs his cuppa tea
[15:41] <jpds> czajkowski: What if having to remind you would piss him off?
[15:41] <screen-x> Azelphur: give him his own dhcp class, that points him at opendns with a restrictive filter set.
[15:42] <Azelphur> screen-x: haha, I prefer laughing at my dad for ignoring me
[15:48]  * bigcalm opens his graze box like an excited child on xmas morning
[15:49] <popey> :)
[15:49] <popey> Rudolf!
[15:50] <bigcalm> Ooo, free gift vouchers
[15:50] <popey> yeah!
[15:50] <james_w> ok
[15:50] <screen-x> hi supercosmonaut
[15:50]  * bigcalm ignores the food and plays with his rain deer
[15:50] <popey> hullo hullo james_w
[15:51] <james_w> hi popey
[15:51] <james_w> just letting everyone know that everything is ok
[15:51] <popey> Phew
[15:51] <screen-x> phew!
[15:51] <james_w> wasn't the wrong window or anything...
[15:51] <screen-x> too slow
[15:51]  * james_w whistles
[15:51] <james_w> thanks
[15:51] <popey> that warranted a topic wide announcement!
[15:52] <popey> don't want anyone to miss it
[15:52] <MooDoo> have i missed soemthing here
[15:52] <bigcalm> Does that mean that we can now talk about the group OK?
[15:52]  * bigcalm watches OK GO
[15:52] <popey> GO GO GO!
[15:53]  * MooDoo is confused.com
[16:00] <MooDoo> :D
[16:03]  * popey wonders if http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/kaushal71/ is our own kaushal
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> there are at least 70 others 8-)
[16:22] <screen-x> \o/ copy and paste works over nx
[16:23] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/whps4LuQ teehee, just had this funny little convo in the dd-wrt channel
[16:25] <matti> ali1234: ;]
[16:25] <screen-x> is it possible to do ssl virtualhosting yet?
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> yes, unless you have IE visitors
[16:26] <screen-x> :(
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: RFC 3546 + RFC4366 ("server_name" extension of TLS)
[16:27]  * bigcalm grumbles at all things IE and SSL
[16:27] <screen-x> so there isn't a host: header for https as there is for http?
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> ah "SNI" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> another google term for you :)
[16:28] <screen-x> :)
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> IE7 supports it.. it seems
[16:32] <screen-x> I have a significant proportion of IE6 users, but I'm also running out of public port 443s
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: ipv6 then :)
[16:32] <screen-x> I think I'm going to have to steal port 443 from the mail servers public IP :(
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> start upgrading clients
[16:33] <screen-x> not under my control :(
[16:33] <screen-x> all my local users are ubuntu 8.04 \o/
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> old!
[16:34] <screen-x> but supported :)
[16:34] <screen-x> But many external users of our web apps use IE :(
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: as long as you can make them upgrade to ie7 ("for security")... you'll be fine
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> at least set a cutoff date :)
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> "We won't support IE6 after 2011-12-31"
[16:36] <screen-x> Nah, this current project is going to have users from the British Standards Institute, and the Sweedish equivalent, I'm in no position to dictate to them..
[16:36] <ging> didnt microsoft stop supporting IE6 already?
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> If the hostnames are all in the same domain, you could cheat and use one IP if you have a *.domain certificate
[16:37] <screen-x> We don't have any wildcard certs yet, but thats probably the way to go if we have any more projects like this.
[16:53] <Phineas> hi all i have got a new phone
[16:57] <Phineas> it is fab
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> nexus s?
[16:58] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  nope sony ericson xperia x8
[16:58] <czajkowski> Ubuntu meet up in Bath tonight :D
[16:59] <Phineas> convert flv to fintone foe phone?
[16:59] <Phineas> for
[16:59] <Phineas> how do i do this
[17:00] <X3N> what's fintone?
[17:00] <popey> _sigh_
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: didn't we tell you last week?
[17:00] <popey> we have been through this at least twice
[17:00] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  not to a ringtone for my hpone
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> principle is the same
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> also, most phones use mp3 as ringtones now
[17:01] <Phineas> oh *facepalm* of corse
[17:01] <Phineas> youtube 2 mp3
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> or just ffmpeg -i file.flv file.mp3
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> now keep that somewhere safe
[17:05] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  Unable to find a suitable output format for 'Perry the Plytapus sound'
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: you should name the file ".mp3" at the end of course
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> or it won't know
[17:06] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  i have
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: can you paste the entire log to pastebin?
[17:06] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  ok
[17:07] <Phineas> http://pastebin.com/2aNmrh9m
[17:08] <popey> missed the -i
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[17:08] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  is that ment to happen
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: what popey said: you forgot the "-i"
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: it should be: ffmpeg -i input_file_here output_file_here.mp3
[17:09] <popey> 17:02:09 < MartijnVdS> or just ffmpeg -i file.flv file.mp3
[17:10] <Phineas> worked, thamk you
[17:10]  * MartijnVdS off
[17:12] <Phineas> *thank
[17:20] <Phineas> damn i hope i'm not busted this time
[17:22] <screen-x> Phineas: It'll be ok, james_w said so.
[17:30] <Phineas> and i am ok
[17:32] <Phineas> screen-x,  i'm ok
[17:33] <davmor2> ging: MS stopped supporting XP doesn't mean it isn't being used still
[17:35] <ging> davmor2: no they stopped supporting xp SP2 they still support SP3
[17:35] <ging> unless there has been a recent change i'm unaware of
[17:36] <davmor2> ging: only on netbooks, and only oem versions on netbooks to boot
[17:47] <Phineas> ok my website is now up and running
[17:48] <Phineas> please feel free to browse
[17:48] <Phineas> if you want the adress let me know
[18:09] <Azelphur> how do you loop through folders, not recursively, in bash? I only want folders not files
[18:09] <jpds> Azelphur: find . -type d
[18:09] <Azelphur> jpds: not recursively
[18:10] <jpds> So you just want the directories, in the current directory?
[18:11] <Azelphur> yup
[18:14] <bigcalm> ls -l | grep "^d"
[18:15] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I think I got it, I just looped everything and used if -d
[18:15] <jpds> $ ls -l | grep "^d" | awk '{print $8}'
[18:15] <bigcalm> I've lost all of my awk foo :(
[18:16] <bigcalm> Learnt a lot in the late 90s, all gone now
[18:16] <Azelphur> haha
[18:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Netflix - Another Example of Open Source Hypocracy? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/netflix-another-example-open-source-hypocracy
[18:22] <daubers> Evening
[18:22] <bigcalm> Morning
[18:22] <Phineas> BOO!
[18:23] <daubers> Apparently not a good evening to be on a train that goes near didcot
[18:39] <daubers> If I where to build a box for hosting a few VM's (not for me personally, a work thing). Would it be best just to work with KVM or to use UEC to give the option of adding more nodes in the future?
[19:08] <danfish> evening
[19:09] <danfish> daubers: probably depends on who you ask, but for small scale KVM's probably easier
[19:11] <daubers> danfish: Yeah coming to that conclusion as I read around a bit
[19:12] <danfish> daubers: or if you want a nice gui and the ability to add vm's and hardware as nodes proxmox ve (debian based) is a doddle to setup and maintain
[19:14] <daubers> danfish: I think I'll stick with kvm. Should be easier I think
[19:15] <daubers> danfish: Specially as I only have a single server to play with at the moment
[19:16] <daubers> specially as I only need 3 VM's at the moment
[19:17] <daubers> 1 for some web stuff, 1 to do some DB stuff and 1 to act as a VPN server
[19:18] <danfish> My laptop ran out of hard disk space recently and I couldn't for the life of me work out why - then I looked in the VM storage 'graveyard' and found 100Gb of old VM images :(
[19:18] <danfish> daubers: so fairly light VM's then
[19:19] <daubers> danfish: Yeah, going to stick it on a single quad core 2u server
[19:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: fancy calling JFo evil
[19:22] <danfish> daubers: did a 'usage' audit of all the servers at work recently - embarassing really. None of them more that 15% CPU usage or 40% RAM usage at any one time
[19:22] <daubers> danfish: Means you have some spare capacity for growth :)
[19:23] <danfish> daubers: hah - and a hefty leccie bill
[19:25] <danfish> they are all windows 2003 server machines, but I've convinced the power that be to let me run a virtualised setup on a spare server on a base 10.04 system as a trial
[19:25] <danfish> *powers
[19:26] <daubers> heh :)
[19:26] <daubers> This has all come about because we need to start storing some critical business type data, and at the same time need to provide some webservices. So this is one box to rule them all going into a DC somewhere
[19:28] <paln> Hello, people of Ubuntu!
[19:32] <popey> hello paln
[19:34] <paln> popey: How are you?
[19:35] <popey> fine thanks
[19:35] <paln> I took your advice and am currently burning a copy of Lubuntu 10.10
[19:36] <paln> Xubuntu failed on me... :(
[19:37] <paln> Not that it didn't install, but it would just boot a terminal instead of a GUI.
[19:38] <popey> paln: what video card does your machine have?
[19:38] <paln> It's an nVidia GeForce2 MX400, if I'm correct
[19:39] <paln> I only know that because my graphics decided to play up in Windows...new drivers!
[19:40] <paln> Oh, I forgot to mention that the "Select and Install Software" step crashed after retrieving all 830 files required. About 14% of that step
[19:40] <paln> So maybe it just didn't get to installing Xfce
[19:41] <paln> The CD's 90% done
[19:49] <paln> Going to reboot my system now...testing the CD!
[20:02]  * danfish predicts a joggler related blog post is in his near future
[20:03] <mgdm> cool
[20:03]  * mgdm has one with the default O2 stuff on it
[20:05] <danfish> I got three in the 'joggler-mania' earlier in the year and am going to retask two into part of a zoneminder security system
[20:06] <danfish> I came back froma trip abroad after the past snow episode and found numerous tracks in the back garden - including two sets of human ones :(
[20:07] <mgdm> o_O
[20:08] <danfish> exactly - so I figure a 50 quid joggler + a cheapo usb webcam = a cheap IP webcam
[20:10] <danfish> which can also double as a zoneminder web interface
[20:11] <mgdm> good plan
[20:11] <Flashtek> 0/
[20:11] <ali1234> except that actual ip webcams cost about the same
[20:11] <Flashtek> ip wifi cams ?
[20:12] <ali1234> yes
[20:12] <Flashtek> from where ?
[20:12] <Flashtek> I'll have some of that..
[20:12] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=256534&C=SO&U=strat15
[20:14] <danfish> ali1234: true, but I already have the jogglers and webcams - recycling and all that :)
[20:15] <Flashtek> :)
[20:15] <Flashtek> jogcam0, jogcam1 etc..etc..
[20:15] <ali1234> if you want to go super cheak: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CCTV-Wireless-WiFi-IP-Network-Camera-IR-Mobile-Viewing-/300504418358?pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item45f7758836
[20:15] <ali1234> *cheap
[20:16] <popey> can't imagine the quality of image is great off of that
[20:16] <ali1234> why would it be worse than any other "cheap webcam"
[20:16] <danfish> Flashtek: fishcam :D
[20:17] <popey> http://image.inesun.com/uploadedimages1/201007/INS-WFIP12/Surptime-eBay/INS-WFIP1212803958541802.jpg
[20:17] <Flashtek> hmm... these aren't going to be any good for use out doors are then..
[20:17] <popey> I do not for a minute believe those images :)
[20:17] <danfish> popey: what software do you use for popeycam?
[20:17] <popey> webcam
[20:17] <popey> !info webcam
[20:18] <danfish> ah - cool. Was looking at motion but a bit fiddly to setup
[20:19] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/webcamrc.txt
[20:19] <popey> thats my .webcamrc
[20:23] <danfish> tx - so 6 sec delay. Can I ask what spec PC that's connected to? The reason I ask is for an IP surveillance system I'd need the joggler to capture images twice a second to be useful
[20:23] <danfish> so an idea of load would be useful
[20:51] <popey> danfish: its connected to a 1.6GHz atom
[20:51] <popey> an acer aspire revo
[21:02] <danfish> popey: ok thanx - I'll experiment 2moro - \o/ Dirk Gently starting
[21:03]  * popey is recording that
[21:06]  * MartijnVdS would be recording, if kaffeine hadn't lost signal
[21:06] <danfish> i still like the radio 4 series with Harry Enfield - great stuff
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> also, if it would start again
[21:08] <danfish> MartijnVdS: given your location iplayer won't be accesible to you :(
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Uhhh.. yes, that's very annoying :)
[21:11] <dogmatic69> hi o/
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> We get a year to watch most missed programs here in .nl :)
[21:12] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to make the minecraft Cartograph thing work on ubuntu
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> some programs can even be viewed "forever"
[21:14] <suprengr>  agenda for next UUK meeting,,, using Ubuntu to set meeting reminders...  rolf
[21:14] <mgdm> who's rolf?
[21:14] <suprengr> [roll over laughing floorless]
[21:14] <dgjones> mgdm: Can you tell what it is it yet?
[21:15] <mgdm> dgjones: \o/
[21:15] <dgjones> @)
[21:15] <dgjones> :) Even
[21:17]  * dgjones points popey & AlanBell to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[21:19] <popey> oops
[21:19] <popey> again
[21:20] <popey> how does this meeting come round so fast
[21:20] <djones> Heh
[21:20] <djones> popey: Too busy Christmas shopping
[21:20] <popey> ah well
[21:23] <suprengr> a-hemmm[cough]... perhaps 1 a month would suffice?
[21:24] <AlanBell> bother
[21:25]  * djones suggests mid jamuary at least (Not Tuesdays)
[21:25] <popey> yeah
[21:25] <danfish> to quote 'in the night garden' - whoopsie daisy
[21:42] <andylockran> what'd I miss :p
[21:42] <andylockran> wrong button
[21:53] <dutchie> big split
[21:57] <Darael> Imagine how big it looks from the other side.
[22:12] <aertyu> hi
[22:12] <aertyu> anyone there ?
[22:12] <aertyu> well i got 2 remote host, from a localhost IF i do a scp file1 from Remote host1 to remote host2 over an ssh connection from localhost if turn my localhost pc it will still continue to copy or not ?
[22:13] <Darael> I don't believe so.  If, on the other hand, you SSH to the first and do the SCP from there within screen, you should be able to detach and have it continue.
[22:18] <aertyu> so when you quit ssh connection you end all task ?
[22:21] <aertyu> killing task ?
[22:25] <Darael> I believe so - not certain enough, though.
[22:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:42] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[22:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hey
[22:48] <AlanBell> having fun in Bath?
[22:48] <czajkowski> yup
[22:48] <czajkowski> had a nice evening out with a Uk Ubuntu person