[07:24] hello all [08:33] morning :) [08:34] morning [08:39] bleh [08:43] morning o/ [08:44] morning [08:50] morning all!! [08:50] Wow, two exclamation marks [08:51] I didn't realise I was that excited :) [08:51] BigRedS: it's because it's nearly christmas :D [08:51] Anyone know of a better cpu stress test than cpuburn? [08:52] however close it is to christmas, it's still <9am :) [08:52] * Mez is excited [08:52] new car in 2 hours :D [08:52] whoop! [08:52] cpuburn can't get my CPUs to 70deg... [08:52] * BigRedS found something else wrong with his bike this morning :( [08:52] Mez: what are you getting? [08:53] screen-x: Vauxhall Insignia [08:53] oooh, nice :) [08:53] company/personal? [08:53] lmao - I'm at home - just saw one of my Developers sign into facebook, so I told him off :D [08:53] Personal [08:53] * BigRedS tells Mez off for signing in to facebook [08:53] Mez: you rotter :) [08:53] BigRedS: why ? [08:54] MooDoo: if he doesn't do the work - I'm the one that accountable. [08:54] Ah, I just like the idea of being told off by a boss for doing what the boss is doing :) [08:54] Mez: i know i'm teasin :D [08:54] BigRedS: I'm at home - he's at work [08:54] Mez: you have the morning off? [08:55] (or if he isn't - gets told off for not ringing me and informing me he's late) [08:55] Mez: yeah, I was joking :) [08:55] screen-x: to pick up the car :D [08:55] Mez: i'm guessing it's your business? [08:55] MooDoo: nope. [08:55] Morning [08:55] morning daubers :) [08:56] MooDoo: I'm just in charge of the IT Team [08:57] (well, in theory, I'm in charge of only the infrastructure side of things - but as I'm the deputy to the guy who's in charge, and he's away till 4th Jan ... ) [08:57] * screen-x is also in charge of the IT team.. which consists entirely of himself. [08:58] * dwatkins is in charge of the linux NAS server team [08:58] Oh man, I was like that briefly once [08:58] not fun [08:58] (on my own, not in charge of nas) [08:58] BigRedS: yeah, its not great :-/ [08:59] need to be in a team really. [08:59] * Mez shrugs [08:59] me isn't in charge of anything, just 2nd level :D [08:59] I think I'm in charge of coffee provisioning at the minute [08:59] I'm fine - I've got the owner of the company working with me at the moment to run the department [08:59] * daubers is supposedly in charge of testing/development/inrastructure/anything else other people don't want to do that needs to be done [09:00] daubers: lol [09:00] 'cause the only coffee anyone will drink isn't sold anywhere particularly near here, so every time I go to London I have to come back with a month's supply of coffee [09:01] BigRedS: can't you order it or get it from Macro/CostCo? [09:03] BigRedS: Make sure I never work for your company. I don't drink coffee - and I only drink Orange Pekoe Tea, which is fecking hard to find in the UK [09:04] Mez: it's a specific decaff coffee [09:04] Waitrose own-brand Peruvian decaff [09:05] meh [09:05] orange pekoe is harder to find [09:05] haha, quite probably. We do get the occasional Tea Pigs shipment [09:05] BigRedS: http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Organic-Peru-Decaffeinated-Coffee-Waitrose/39790011?parentContainer=SEARCHperuvian%20decaf [09:05] Mez: they don't deliver to us [09:06] we're in the middle of nowhere [09:06] BigRedS: lol - fail... [09:06] yeah [09:06] My step brother used to work for Ocado :) [09:06] He built their picking robots, and their iPhone app [09:06] oooh [09:06] Seems quite a diverse pair of projects [09:07] yup [09:07] I think he did other stuff too. [09:07] And I think he onl built the software for the robots... [09:07] ahh [09:14] passwd: Authentication token manipulation error [09:14] Hmmmmm any ideas as to why :( [09:14] what does google say, nperry_ ? [09:14] nperry_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=passwd%3A+Authentication+token+manipulation+error [09:15] Not enuff caffeine to google :/ [09:18] aloha [09:20] aloha czajkowski [09:27] morning all [09:31] mersenne > cpuburn, 2x cores at 70 already. [09:36] morning [09:36] Morning peeps [09:37] morning [09:38] how lazy is it to buy your brother and sister's xmas pressies on amazon, get it gift wrapped there and sent to their house? [09:38] d'ya think that's 'acceptable' these days? [09:38] danfish: not lazy, convenient. [09:38] danfish: practical [09:39] ali1234, I pasted up that "cached Flash video grabbing" script I mentioned the other day : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544354/ [09:39] danfish: even worse if you just get them an amazon voucher [09:40] they [09:40] hey can I ask a backup question? [09:41] oops- they live miles away and I won't be seeing them over xmas so I suppose it's better than nothing! [09:41] what do you guys do for off-site backup? is there a Carbonite type service that works with Linux? [09:42] I'm just not so into the whole "present" gig ; I'm fine with presents where someone genuinely spontaneously thought of it (like the signed limited edition copy of Terry Pratchett's Nation that my sister got me because Terry was in town signing copies) ; but presents that people get you just because they feel obligated to - I'd rather not have them and I'd rather not put them through the stress of buying them. [09:42] Apacheuk: backups? ;) [09:42] Apacheuk, For personal stuff, I'm reasonably happy with Dropbox at the moment, but I'm guessing that doesn't cut it for corporate types [09:44] I was kinda hoping for app/service where I could mark files/directories for backup [09:44] and they are just backup automatically [09:44] Ubuntu One will let you mark folders for backup [09:46] awilkins: true [09:47] Apacheuk: spideroak? [09:47] I suppose I could write a script to backup files/dirs into a "backup" directory and sync that with ubuntuone..... but I'm lazy :) [09:48] awilkins: couldn't agree more re presents. Nice script BTW [09:50] MooDoo: cheers, am on their site now.... they have an Android app to [09:50] Apacheuk: if you go with them, just don't forget your password lol [09:52] MooDoo: Am going through the whole Gawker change all my passwords at the moment.... real pain in the ass, someone needs to solve this problem [09:56] Apacheuk: don't use the same password everywhere, problem sovled? :) [10:00] MartijnVdS: well, one problem exchanged for a different one :) [10:00] BigRedS: vim + gpg extension + big password file = win :) [10:01] OpenID kinda fixes it [10:02] Change your password in one place - bam [10:02] Of course, if someone compromises the OpenID provider.... [10:02] ... not sure how dangerous that would be [10:02] awilkins: and then nobody understands openid because it uses URLs to login instead of a username/password [10:04] MartijnVdS: ah, but then you need that file and gpg everywhere you might want to log in [10:05] MartijnVdS: I don't generally, I have around 10 different ones that I use for "normal" sites, all strong... trouble is I can't remember which one is likely to be compromised.... so safer to change 'em all [10:07] I just write mine down on a piece of paper and hide it away in the study at home [10:08] analog ftw \o/ [10:08] * MartijnVdS scans daubers' study with a tricorder and knows his password now [10:09] MartijnVdS: The lead pipe attack defeats encryption most days anyway [10:09] hah, I know it as the "rubber hose method" [10:09] MartijnVdS: Or the "ginger beer trick" [10:10] system I use is... I have 13 passwords matched to 2 letters each of the alphabet, I then take the first 2 letter of the domain name and pick the 2 passwords that match those letter and join them together [10:10] I thought the "ginger beer trick" was just a way of making people imagine their own worst torture (involving ginger beer) [10:11] awilkins: Yep, quite a good way to get encryption keys out of someone I'd say :) [10:11] awilkins: it's actually a real "method" [10:13] The orifice involved is not the one I thought it would be [10:19] awilkins: a dirty mind is a joy forever? 8-) [10:35] Urgh, coffee time shortly I think [10:35] * screen-x had to make a speedy exit from work, as he was supposed to be at home to let the glaziers in.. [10:52] Morning all [10:52] morning [10:53] MooDoo: How's life? [10:53] davmor2: aye not bad, proding czajkowski is going swimmingly, i'm ready for christmas and ready for england trouncing ireland at the world cup next year ;) [10:54] * davmor2 ties czajkowski hair to her chair [10:56] http://cindye.dyndns.info/phpsysinfo/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic :) [10:56] morning [10:56] * czajkowski locks davmor2 and MooDoo in a room together for the new year and give us all some peace and quiet [10:56] czajkowski: and i was going to make you queen of the winter carnival :p === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:05] czajkowski: well that's you off the card list :P [11:05] davmor2: was she actually on it? lol [11:06] MooDoo: Of course everyone is on the list, honest Gov'nor [11:06] Merry Christmas from me to you..... [11:06] there you go, there is my card [11:08] MooDoo: You got it wrong again. Leave it till the 24th and just Merry Christmas Everyone done :) [11:09] ah there is that one [11:40] !ping [11:40] poing [11:40] I'm still alive then :) [11:41] VirginMedia are being horribly dodgy this week [11:41] * screen-x plots [11:41] screen-x: do you have a scheme, or do you need to do some of that as well? [11:43] bigcalm: maybe later, your demise isnt a high priority ;-) [11:44] screen-x: I don't know whether to be pleased or dissapointed [11:45] Morning all o/ [11:45] I'm not sure how I feel about VM, people who use it have problems, but its got to be better than adsl... [11:45] yo selinuxium [11:46] screen-x: I have had no problems with my Bytemark VM [11:46] bigcalm: virgin media... [11:46] Ph [11:46] Oh [11:47] You have the choice between ADSL and Cable?! [11:47] no :( [11:47] ADSL only here. [11:47] Ah, ok. I was confused [11:47] Yeah, you've got to use what you've got... [11:47] I've had problems with VM now and then. But you get problems with any provider [11:48] Other than that, very good service [11:48] but if you're in a cabled area, then presumably you do have the choice between cable and ADSL. [11:48] I do [11:48] I have the choice of 5mb ADSL or 20mb Cable [11:48] Hummmm [11:48] Infact cable + infinity, would make quite a nice pair of diverse connections.. [11:48] I would have the 50mb cable package, but I cannie have it with our discount [11:49] Just noticed the internet archive plugin for banshee, seems to have a load of free concert recordings, is that legit? [11:49] Oh, I guess I could have ADSL as well. But I've got more bills to pay than I really want [11:51] bigcalm: are you using their telephone service as well? [11:51] danfish: Have to, it's part of Mate's Rates [11:52] Though the land line is rarely used [11:52] GF and I both use our mobiles for everything [11:52] -' [11:54] Mornin' Daviey [11:55] My Tesco lipbalm has a best before date. How weird [11:55] \o/ [11:55] Somedays I love pulseaudio [11:56] * daubers plays sound on this machine and listens to it through -> that one [11:56] Heh [11:56] afternoon bigcalm :) [11:56] * bigcalm kicks di.fm due to lack of workingness [11:57] Daviey: pre-empting it being afternoon? [11:57] bigcalm: pre-empting it being friday :P [11:57] Mmmmmmmmmm, Friday [11:57] noo [11:58] Too much to do? [11:58] !friday [11:58] !wednesday [11:58] !weekend [11:58] It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week. [11:59] is it? [11:59] If we all agree it to be so, then it shall be [11:59] MartijnVdS: no, not friday. [12:08] that was a fun panic. you had me convinced it was friday for a few minutes there. [12:12] that said, I didn't know it was thursday either, so atleast it promoted me to set dirk gently to record [12:12] oooo [12:13] Ooo [12:13] Bugger [12:13] * bigcalm throws himself down the stairs [12:14] nooo [12:17] * gord throws screen-x down the stairs after him [12:18] Nooooooooo! [12:18] thud [12:19] * bigcalm limps back into the room [12:19] That's the V+ box set [12:20] mmmm 40mbit [12:21] Not sure it'll be as good as the Harry Enfield radio play one [12:22] Is it a one off show? [12:27] How long would you stress test a server for before declaring it stable? [12:28] Depends on what you are testing [12:28] If you are testing cronjobs, then a year [12:28] CPUs at the moment [12:29] bigcalm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544404/ [12:30] quad cpu with quad cores? [12:30] Dual quad with HT [12:31] Ok [12:31] been going for about 2 hours, seems ok. Max core temp is about 72. [12:31] hello [12:31] moo [12:32] Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this cron job? * 8-0 * * 1-5 [12:32] it's supposed to fire from 8am to midnight weekdays, but it doesn't seem to be firing [12:33] Azelphur: every minute? [12:33] yup [12:33] 8-23 possibly [12:33] but 23 is 11 that misses an hour? :( [12:34] oh wait, it goes to 23:59 doesn't it [12:34] yeah [12:35] It's supposed to run every minute, Azelphur? [12:35] yup [12:35] yeah, so if you want it to run from 08:00 to 23:59, use 8-23 [12:36] :) [12:42] \o/ RIPE atlas probe arrived [12:46] is it possible to send sound over an NX connection? [12:46] not a big deal if not, just curious if there's a quick and easy solution. [12:47] mostly just for sending audio from webpages/flash [12:50] one for AlanBell http://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Chickens-2011-Wall-Calendar/dp/0810989131/ref=pd_ys_ir_b_fb_5 [12:50] heheh [12:50] popey: remind me not to paste that into a sql query though lol [12:53] :) [12:55] popey, has your house been evacuated yet? :pp [12:55] Protesters at popey's? [12:55] http://i.imgur.com/WRuaO.jpg [12:56] worse! [12:56] he looks hungry.. [12:56] haha [12:56] Hehe [13:02] popey: I have last years! [13:03] heh [13:12] kazade, its okay, help has arrived http://gordallott.com/img/popeybattle.jpg [13:20] haha [13:21] popey: wifi camera? [13:21] hmm? [13:21] The image of the garden, I assume it's yours [13:23] bigcalm: who else has dinosaurs and film characters round their water feature? [13:23] screen-x: indeed [13:24] yes [13:24] no, not wifi [13:24] usb [13:25] Oh. So long lead or computer in a shead? [13:25] shed [13:25] bah, can't use braid with two monitors, it does that thing where it just sits in the middle [13:31] gord: nice [13:31] gord: file a bug! [13:32] ~ [13:33] ^^?? [13:33] I swear this putty client is trying to drive me nuts! [13:34] eh i don't really like braid all that much anyway [13:35] mario is more fun [13:35] Osmosis is better :) [13:35] they're different genres [13:36] mario is a platform game, braid is an action puzzler [13:37] doesn't matter, mario still more fun. i don't like the dumb puzzles in braid. there is one where (if you want to fully complete the game) you have to litterally sit and wait 10 minutes or so doing nothing else for a cloud to slowly make its way across the map. no thanks [13:37] i own braid 3 times now, thats a lot for a game i'm not fond of [13:37] i own turok 2 twice [13:37] and gta4 [13:37] and those both suck [13:39] oooh 'E' in the output of ping -f === njpatel is now known as njpatel_ [13:57] Any idea what these ping errors signify? I am pinging an IP address that is not in use. http://paste.ubuntu.com/544435/ [13:58] ooo never seen that way of doing it [13:58] i tend not to use ping these days anyway, mtr ftw [13:59] mtr \o/ [14:00] mtr? [14:00] mtr++ [14:01] mrt! [14:01] FOOL! [14:01] sigh yet another thing I should've known about and would have saved me numerous times :/ [14:01] youtube, twitter and facebook are merging [14:01] details at youtwitface.com [14:01] :D [14:02] http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [14:03] werid, if I do mtr between my workstation and a local server, I get no packet loss, but If do mtr between my workstation and an unused IP in the servers subnet, I get 20% packet loss [14:03] sure its not unused? [14:04] yeah, I should point out that the 20% loss pointed out by mtr, was between my workstation and the internal router [14:04] but there wasn't any packet loss when testing with an ip address that is in use. [14:05] neat [14:05] got a vpn open? [14:05] no, all routes via wired ethernet [14:06] o/ [14:06] o/ [14:06] how is everyone ? [14:06] Flashtek: i'm ok thanks :D [14:06] popey: o7 [14:07] MooDoo: good good :) [14:07] Is everyone warm enough ? [14:07] yep, about to turn the heating off [14:08] splendid.. mine has not been on in over 72 hours [14:09] maybe daubers could install one his arduino stats in here [14:09] hmmmm? [14:09] do what ? [14:09] Does IRC require heating these days? [14:10] * popey warms up the valves [14:11] * screen-x overdoes the 'room' metaphor sometimes. [14:11] popey, I mentioned to my Mum earlier that I know someone with a webcam in their garden, her response was "Why?" ... [14:12] Hmmm... managed to ssh into the wrong box with the wrong password..... [14:12] daubers: bad news [14:12] kazade: technically it's not in my garden, it's in my house, pointing to the garden [14:12] ah I see [14:12] kazade: the "why" was to monitor snow at home whilst I'm at work [14:12] which I think is sensible :) [14:12] right, I wondered what the right answer was [14:12] :p [14:12] :) [14:12] also i like making those time lapse videos [14:12] all I managed was "er.." [14:12] daubers: time for a chat with pam? [14:12] and on a clear night you can get a nice lapse of the moon and stars [14:13] any online? [14:13] popey: I have 2 cameras... [14:13] yup kazade [14:13] http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc [14:13] * Flashtek ponders ZM [14:14] might upload some more [14:16] can't believe i'm watching this again [14:16] ? [14:16] popey, just scanned through the first one. It's good, the plots a little thin and the ending a bit of a disappointment, but besides that I'd watch it again ;) [14:16] Flashtek: popeys back garden [14:16] hah [14:16] MooDoo: oohh.. [14:17] popey, Daily Express says "4 stars" [14:17] "Best action film of the year" [14:17] lol [14:17] says a lot.. [14:18] * kazade ponders superimposing a T-rex on a time lapse video [14:18] * popey hugs mencoder [14:19] poor little acer revo getting beaten up [14:19] * Oli`` found his revo is surprisingly capable of playing Braid [14:20] * kazade really needs to get around to trying Braid [14:20] I played Machinarium for a bit yesterday, that's a really cool game [14:20] reminds me of Discworld.. a game I played back in the 90s... somewhen [14:23] popey: do you live in a flight path? [14:23] i do [14:23] see a plane go over? [14:23] Yeah [14:23] TAG runs Farnborough Airport [14:24] Who [14:24] ? [14:24] watches [14:24] sports cars [14:24] airports [14:24] wouldnt that be WSCA? [14:24] I think the Gov sold it to them for £1 [14:25] which quite annoyed a lot of people, given it was developed by the public purse [14:25] but hey ho, thats #politics :) [14:26] screen-x: Ah! It was the right password for the wrong box, was looking at the wrong terminator pane [14:26] hmm this laptop is sounding rather dodgey with the sounds coming from it [14:26] not good [14:26] Seeing as my Wednesday grazebox still hasn't arrived, time to get the pork chow mein out of the fridge! [14:27] bigcalm: and some late credit.. [14:27] screen-x: na. I'm easing off of the "where's my box?" button for a while [14:27] It's xmas and royal mail... [14:27] Now the game is "Lets see how well OOo copes with graphing 136340 rows" [14:28] prediction: not as well as gnuplot [14:29] :) [14:29] Amazon are cool. A CD I ordered on the 30th Nov, estimated for 4th Dec, arrived 14th Dec. Amazon emailed me to say they have refunded the cost of the CD due to late arrival [14:29] bigcalm: nice [14:30] bigcalm: I ordered GT5, didn't get it, they resent it for free [14:30] Just surprised that they gave me a refund but don't want the CD back [14:30] It actually copes relativley well. Shame it's only using a single core though [14:32] bigcalm: too much hassle, I guess.. it's cheaper to let you keep it [14:32] bigcalm: and to create a good customer experience ;) [14:34] snowing \o/ [14:35] Which is default in 10.10, shotwell or f-spot? [14:35] gord snap [14:35] shotwell [14:35] +1 [14:35] shotwell [14:35] i have imported a bazillion images into shotwell [14:35] it tells me sometimes that it can't import images for whatever reason and tells me in a dialog box with some of the filenames in [14:36] which is utterly useless [14:36] Ah, I'm just wondering which one to get round to working out how to crop a photo in [14:36] neither, use picasa :) [14:36] Haha [14:37] It's taking a lot of restraint to not just install teh gimp [14:37] does the computer belong to someone else? [14:37] BigRedS: Just do it, === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [14:39] not really. It's my work PC but I can have whatever I want on it [14:39] I should tilt the cam to point back up a bit, get more sky in [14:39] it's really annoying that "Eye of Gnome" doesn't have crop :; [14:39] :/ [14:39] sooooo install gimp? :) [14:39] I designated this the PC i try to do things 'properly' on [14:40] which, I've found, means occasionally finding that new things are better than old things [14:40] but I've got to try the new things in order to do that. Like empathy, does XMPP priority, which pidgin doesn't. [14:45] xmpp priority? [14:54] screen-x: yeah, so when you've two hosts connected, you say which one's to get all the messages. Means I can stay logged on at work, then when I connect from my laptop I still see messages [14:54] everything going to everything would be more ideal, but doesn't appear to be part of the protocol [14:55] GAH! Can't concentrate [14:55] Need moar caffeine [15:13] BigRedS: sounds useful, though I tend to cheat in that situation and use nx. [15:17] screen-x: Ah, I've pondered doing that, but it'd involve sticking X on my server [15:17] guys - just got this on some files: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Logo [15:17] anyone know how to reset the permissions? [15:18] is it on a remote filesystem? [15:23]