[00:37] <wrst> hey tjcertified
[01:00] <tjcertified> hey
[01:00] <tjcertified> lot of traffic in here...
[01:01] <cyberanger> tjcertified: a good day
[01:03] <wrst> cyberanger I have lost some functions with irssi connectbot
[01:03] <cyberanger> which ones
[01:05] <wrst> the press and hold to bring up functions suchas tab
[01:07] <wrst> when that was working running in the background wasn't
[01:13] <chris4585> wrst, have you seen that gnome-shell may not be in the 11.04 repos ?
[01:13] <chris4585> there is a bug currently about this, apparently its broken in 11.04
[01:15] <wrst> lchris4585 that kinda sounds fishy
[01:16] <chris4585> also alpha 2 comes out feb 3rd, one day before my birthday, so early birthday present lol
[01:16] <chris4585> wrst, a little bit, but there will more than likely be a ppa
[01:16] <wrst> ha ha im running it now unity is almost usable
[01:17] <chris4585> if gnome-shell removes all the 'recent' crap I would love to use it
[01:18] <wrst> what are you calling the recent crap?
[01:19] <chris4585> the ugly stuff that shows up on the side that shows your recent files and used programs
[01:19] <chris4585> thats like showing your dirty laundry imo
[01:19] <wrst> oh is that in gnome shell?
[01:20] <chris4585> its been there since I can remember
[01:21] <wrst> been a while since i tried it, gnome shell just really made no sense to me
[01:21] <wrst> i'm on 11.04 right now i switch back and forth but its getting to where you can actually do some work on it
[01:21] <chris4585> these days its looking better than unity
[01:22] <wrst> well unity is just getting started, but i don't know what i think about unity yet
[01:22] <chris4585> don't get me wrong, I like both of them and would like to see them both succeed
[01:24] <wrst> i'm wondering about using kde soon, but its still too unstable
[01:24] <wrst> i have a feeling that gnomeis going to be about like kde 4.0 hopefully not that bad but not what i'm used to as far as stability is concerned
[01:26] <chris4585> yeah, gnome-shell has been around quite a while now though... it feels only recently its actually got some real hard work put into it though which is sad
[01:28] <wrst> yeah i don't feel to confident in it really
[01:29] <chris4585> personally I like my own blend of nautilus-elementary and awn
[01:29] <wrst> if i could move the dock in unity i think i would really like it, but i totally disagree wihth that
[01:29] <chris4585> If I'm not mistaken I think it will be an option maybe in 11.10
[01:30] <chris4585> but yeah I don't like the dock on the side...
[01:30] <wrst> moving the dock, ok that's better last i heard was something about wanting to keep it close to the ubuntu applications button, why i don't know on a mac it works just fine and not being there
[01:30] <wrst> yeah i prefer at the bottom center autohiding so i truly get all the realestate
[01:32] <wrst> *screen realestate
[01:32] <chris4585> wrst, my flavor of gnome http://i.imgur.com/3P93X.jpg
[01:33] <wrst> nice chris4585
[01:33] <wrst> very nice
[01:34] <chris4585> thanks, I have dockbarx plugin built into awn expanded, kind of a win7 feel...
[01:37] <wrst> looks nice, funny i hear kde fans talk about how it is so much more customizable than gnome and i just don't see it
[01:37] <chris4585> me either
[01:39] <wrst> they all have the kickoff menu and such at the same spot i know you can move it around, but i just don't know what they are talking about
[01:41] <chris4585> for awn by itself there are 2 - 3 app menus, then there's the mint menu, and the gnomenu (sp?) then of course you could go with docky / synapse route
[01:42] <chris4585> then there is the default which is simple and I like it the best
[01:42] <wrst> i tried awn a couple years ago
[01:42] <chris4585> I'm not really up to date with KDE though, I just know it has the 2 menus that come with KDE
[01:42] <wrst> kde runs so poorly on my laptop i can't get anything done with it
[01:44] <chris4585> awn is pretty good now, I just wish it had some of the stuff kiba-dock had
[01:44] <chris4585> that was the shizz when I first played with linux lol
[01:46] <wrst> never tried it
[01:48] <chris4585> you could bounce your icons around your desktop as if there was low gravity, or swing your icons around like a chain or bump icons to make them fly all over your desktop
[01:49] <chris4585> bunch of useless fun lol
[01:50] <wrst> ha ha useless fun is a great thing!
[01:55] <chris4585> indeed
[01:58] <wrst> like wobbly windows serve no purpose at all
[02:00] <chris4585> but it adds a nice fluid touch
[02:06] <wrst> yes it really does and it isn't working in natty right now well not while using unity it makes unity go away
[15:37] <wrst> morning everyone
[15:40] <techMiles> hey there wrst. :)
[15:40]  * techMiles is setting up znc again
[15:40] <wrst> having fun techMiles ?
[15:41] <techMiles> ofc! :)
[15:41] <techMiles> for some reason, znc won't find the hostname of some of the IRC servers I want.
[15:41] <techMiles> hav ehad to use IP's before
[15:41] <techMiles> which is fine, but idk why it won't take hostname
[15:42] <wrst> all over my head techMiles  :)
[15:43] <techMiles> you wouldn't happen to know how to clear the dns cache in ubuntu, eh?
[15:48] <wrst> i have at one time
[15:49] <wrst> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-clearflush-dns-cache-in-ubuntu.html
[15:50] <techMiles> danke
[15:51] <wrst> if you are on 10.04 or above i think the command to restart is now sudo service ncsd restart
[15:52] <techMiles> a'ight.
[15:52] <techMiles> I think I've gotten it, though... idk why it does that.
[15:52] <techMiles> stupid thing. :)
[15:53] <techMiles> brb. adding this network to znc. :)
[18:02] <chris4585> well thats interesting, I added xchat to my messaging menu, and I didn't know this but simply adding the launcher also adds the capability of it showing updates such as PMs
[18:03] <techMiles> lol
[18:03] <techMiles> the popup bubbles?
[18:03] <wrst> chris4585: i didn't know you could add apps to that menu that's cool
[18:04] <chris4585> techMiles, it shows when someone PM'd me
[18:04] <chris4585> wrst, yeah its pretty simple
[18:04] <techMiles> I like the notification popups. :)
[18:04] <chris4585> me too
[18:05] <wrst> i like that too chris4585  i shalll have to mess with that!
[18:05]  * techMiles can't wait to start switching himself over to ubuntu
[18:05] <chris4585> wrst, in /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications
[18:06] <chris4585> pretty much copy one of the existing files in that dir, and rename it to xchat and edit the info
[18:06] <wrst> you still in winders techMiles ?
[18:06] <chris4585> actually
[18:06] <techMiles> yeah.
[18:06] <techMiles> had to have it for mah classes.
[18:06] <techMiles> dammit
[18:06] <chris4585> create a file named xchat in that dir and in the file paste this, /usr/share/applications/xchat.desktop
[18:08] <wrst> cool chris4585
[18:09] <chris4585> techMiles, like this http://i.imgur.com/VxZl8.png
[18:10] <techMiles> that convinced me. :d am starting asap on that redo.
[18:10] <techMiles> just have to have windows for games, and possible school stuff.
[18:10] <chris4585> I have win7 just for games
[18:16] <wrst> nic screenshot chris4585
[18:16] <wrst> techMiles: i keep xp in a VM for our finance stuff at home which really isn't needed i'm looking to get rid of that
[18:18] <chris4585> thanks wrst
[20:28] <techMiles> wrst chris4585, anybody else..
[20:28] <techMiles> should I install ubuntu mininmal?
[20:28] <techMiles> debian testing?
[20:28] <techMiles> or bt?
[20:49] <wrst> hey techMiles
[20:50] <wrst> techMiles: any reason why you want a minimal install?
[20:50] <techMiles> so I can work from ground-up
[20:50] <techMiles> instead of having to get rid of stuff i don't want/need
[20:51] <wrst> i guess its ok but i don't really think you get much of the benefits of ubuntu going that route if i were going that route i would probably consider arch
[20:52] <techMiles> hmm
[20:54] <wrst> techMiles: cyberanger can really provide more info on that than me i've just never seen that ubuntu installs all that much extra that i can't just purge if i don't like it once i get it installed
[20:55] <techMiles> yeah
[20:55] <techMiles> I just like starting from the ground-up sometimes.
[20:55] <techMiles> let's you learn more about it, too
[20:56] <wrst> yeah that's one reason i like arch is the learning part, but for everyday use i like ubuntui
[20:56] <wrst> *ubuntu
[20:56] <techMiles> well this is going to be the operating system I use most
[20:57] <techMiles> and I can boot into a 3rd for experimenting, or in virtualbox for that.
[20:58] <wrst> techMiles: using gnome?
[20:58] <techMiles> hm?
[20:58] <techMiles> I'd probably use GNOME, yes
[20:58] <wrst> yeah i just wouldn't fool with it and use that other learning partition to learn from, but i don't like having to mess with the system i need to use
[21:01] <wrst> oh and techMiles personally since even the min-install will do the configuring or what not really all you are learning is to install what packages
[21:02] <techMiles> yeah
[21:02] <wrst> but i'm a fanboy of the ubuntu regular desktop edition or have been, the jury is out on unity :)
[21:02] <techMiles> lol.
[21:02] <wrst> but with a system like arch you have to edit the configs and really got down and dirty with what makes things work
[21:02] <techMiles> yeah
[21:03] <wrst> but all that said i may give it a go too :)
[21:11] <techMiles> hehe
[21:12] <wrst> sounds fun to do
[21:20] <techMiles> ever used the netbook edition?
[21:23] <wrst> yes
[21:23] <techMiles> does it run well on netbooks? lol
[21:23] <techMiles> the older, less powered ones?
[21:24] <wrst> its using unity that 11.04 is going to for everything and i didn't like it
[21:24] <wrst> it uses mutter
[21:24] <techMiles> Ah.
[21:24] <wrst> but the new unity using compiz is not bad
[21:24] <wrst> but its ok, but a gnome install isn't bad either
[23:12] <wrst> hey pace_t_zulu unity seems to be improving
[23:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: still haven't got it running in virtualbox
[23:14] <wrst> its better pace_t_zulu  not 100% by any means but its not terrible