[00:16] how do i get to off topic === Guest19536 is now known as freebird [00:18] knome [00:19] freebird, :) /join #xubuntu-offtopic [00:19] knome ty so much [00:20] np [00:26] I have created the following short script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544211/ to autostart with Xubuntu, and it does that just fine, but i always get prompted to enter my password, can i somehow avoid that? [00:38] aladoinsano, well, with gksudo, you should be prompted... [00:39] is there anyway I can make my USB to VGA converter work? [00:40] knome, is there a way around that? i need to start this script on start-up but obviously do not want to enter the pass all the time [00:40] freebird: aint that the command I gave you earlier? [00:41] MorphixNW, try the package sisusbvga === hummer_ is now known as freebird [00:41] sorry what cmd i missed it [00:41] "/join #xubuntu-offtopic" [00:41] yes [00:41] aladoinsano, with gksudo, no. and i don't know if there is any other way either [00:42] :) [00:42] knome: ty [00:43] knome, maybe i can move the application to my home folder, will try that.. [00:43] aladoinsano, that should make no difference, you're still restarting a service [00:44] s/should make/makes/ [00:44] you can make a launcher where it gives you admin rights til you close your file system window [00:44] freebird, you still need to enter the password [00:45] aladoinsano, you probably should look into restarting/starting the service in some other runlevel [00:45] !runlevel [00:45] In Ubuntu all runlevels except 0,1 and 6 are by default equal. Also keep in mind that Ubuntu now uses !Upstart instead of System V init so there is normally no /etc/inittab. [00:45] !upstart [00:45] Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [00:45] password? [00:45] freebird, well if you run anything that needs root rights, you need to enter a password [00:46] cmd: gksudo nautilus [00:47] yeah true but you should know the password to the system which you should know if your already on it correct [00:48] of course [00:48] but that's not automatical [00:48] true [00:49] ok, so there is no way i can have this auto started without being prompted for the password? [00:50] aladoinsano, do you speicifically need to *restart* the service, or would just starting it be enough? [00:51] knome, no starting it would be fine, it is not started as far as i know. the "restart" came along when i copied the code from the app's .desktop file [00:52] in xfce think its login under system you can turn off your login password but you will still need the password to perform certain task if your lazy and just don't want to type you can copy and paste it in :D [00:55] aladoinsano, install the package rcconf and run it, you should be able to select starting that service on boot [00:59] knome, it's not in the list when i run rcconf, but maybe i can manually add it somewhere? [01:00] hmm, that's weird [01:00] can i put the script in /etc/init.d/? [01:00] yeah, i suppose you can add that someway [01:00] right that me for the night guys, thanks to everyone for your help ill be back tomorrow with more Qs :P [01:01] MorphixNW, night [01:01] aladoinsano, i haven't got that much experience with boot stuff... [01:02] ok, i think i will call it a night as well, will dig deeper into this tomorrow, thanks for the help though, night [01:04] aladoinsano, night === hummer is now known as Guest96992 [03:17] hello people [03:17] when my pc starts i dont see no upper and lower panel [03:18] i do xfce4-panel command [03:18] and nothing [03:18] just blinks and hides [03:18] i cannot get it up [03:28] wizardslovak what have you tried so far [03:28] well [03:28] u know when u turn on [03:28] yeah [03:28] and u have "aplances" and places? [03:28] well i dont have that [03:28] not i put command again [03:28] and i got some other toolbar [03:28] x with mouse [03:29] something new [03:30] like i like to have running proceses to be seen lower [03:31] not up [03:31] ok try this [03:31] press Alt+F2 [03:31] type xfce4-panel [03:31] click run [03:32] blinked and nothing [03:32] alt+f2 (run window) [03:32] killall xfce4-panel (command to kill the panels) [03:32] Click on "Run" (or hit the enter key) [03:32] alt+f2 (run window) [03:32] rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ (delete the Xfce4 panel's config files for your user) [03:32] Click on "Run" (or hit the enter key) [03:32] alt+f2 (run window) [03:32] cp -r /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel ~/.config/xfce4/ (copies existing default file) [03:32] Click on "Run" (or hit the enter key) [03:32] alt+f2 (run window) [03:33] xfce4-panel & (command to start panels) [03:33] Click on "Run" (or hit the enter key) [03:33] run xfce4-panel from a terminal to catch errors [03:33] opps that was longer than i exspected [03:33] !paste | freebird [03:33] freebird: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [03:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels [03:35] that will be easier to follow [03:36] give me sec [03:36] ty moetunes [03:36] give me sec [03:36] <^Phantom^> If the xubuntu live CD actually boots on my laptop (the ubuntu one wouldn't) can I please get help making a backup of the hard drive for restoring in case this doesn't work on the laptop? [03:37] sorry only app that may do that that i know of is xclone [03:38] <^Phantom^> I was told in ubuntu that a liveCD can backup/restore the drive as is. [03:39] i'm not saying that it can't i just don't know how to do it [03:39] <^Phantom^> Maybe I'll just split that drive 50/50 [03:39] <^Phantom^> And dual-boot. [03:39] might be easies way [03:39] easiest* [03:40] <^Phantom^> Once I upgrade the ram, though, I'm putting full ubuntu on it [03:40] <^Phantom^> it has 192mb right now [03:40] i just switched from ubuntu [03:40] <^Phantom^> Nice [03:40] the irc help is much better with xubuntu [03:41] i just use the gnome interface [03:42] <^Phantom^> Ah [03:42] looks like real ubuntu has a few different apps installed but basically the same other than running a little faster [03:42] <^Phantom^> I'll start with this tomorrow, though. [03:43] <^Phantom^> ^_^ [03:43] lol :D btw how much ram you putting in [03:44] <^Phantom^> 1GB [03:44] <^Phantom^> the max that mobo supports [03:44] i hear ya [03:45] brb gotta reboot router [03:45] <^Phantom^> Maybe Lubuntu would be better for that lappy for now? [03:46] you could do a minimal install [03:46] !minimal [03:46] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [03:46] not sure lubuntu and xubuntu both are fairly low resources not sure which is better thou [03:47] I think lubuntu is the lowest resource of the 'buntus now [03:47] gr8m8 ty [03:47] it uses openbox as the window manager [03:47] <^Phantom^> ty gr8m8 [03:48] <^Phantom^> I'm actually also considering waiting until Christmas, and just buy the ram with my christmas money. [03:48] <^Phantom^> Then put full on ubuntu on it. [03:49] cool is the laptop extra pc or your main pc [03:49] <^Phantom^> extra [03:49] <^Phantom^> i have a desktop that i use as main [03:49] <^Phantom^> (i'm on it now) [03:50] then reg ubuntu should run fine with 1g might need to be restarted a little more often but should do fine [03:50] <^Phantom^> Sweet. [03:51] * ^Phantom^ misses his laptop that had 2.5GB ram [03:51] <^Phantom^> inverter died [03:51] <^Phantom^> then mobo died [03:52] i had it running on 512 for a while and had to reboot once a day or it went stupid as long as i rebooted once a day it ran decent outside of being a little sluggish [03:53] <^Phantom^> nice [03:53] ouch that sucks when mobo goes out [03:53] <^Phantom^> yeah [03:53] <^Phantom^> electrical problem somewhere, couldn't pinpoint it [03:53] <^Phantom^> it would boot up, but kept restarting [03:53] lol i have a laptop that the proc fan died had to build this system [03:54] <^Phantom^> i thought the fan had died, but it didn't [03:54] compasitors busted on it sounds like [03:54] ok i dont toolbars nicely [03:54] is there anything i can do to save them [03:54] wizardslovak did it work [03:54] so everytime i turn on pc is will be the same? [03:54] naah [03:55] <^Phantom^> freebird, probably [03:55] i redone all of them [03:55] now i need to save them somehow [03:55] <^Phantom^> i put the ram in my dads lappy [03:55] <^Phantom^> same model and everything [03:55] gr8m8 do you know bro i'm not sure how to save those settings [03:55] hmm [03:56] they should be saved in ~/.config/xfce/panels [03:56] i'm sure its something simple just have to find the solution [03:56] start the panel from a terminal to catch why it fails [03:57] get a good config for the panel then make a backup of that file so it is easier to restore it [03:58] ok [03:58] how do i back it up then? [03:58] i neve had problem in kubuntu [03:58] lol [03:58] this xfce makes problems everytime [03:58] right click the file - select copy - right click an empty space in the folder and select paste [03:59] which file? [03:59] ~/.config/xfce4/panel [04:00] sorry it is a folder - the folder has the applet configs in it [04:00] yea [04:00] i am trying to find it [04:00] backup the folder [04:00] any idea where/? [04:01] in your home directory click view - show hidden files [04:01] then open .config [04:01] ok got it [04:02] back up whole folder? [04:02] xfce4 [04:02] no backup the panel folder in the xfce4 folder [04:02] the panel folder is in the xfce4 folder [04:02] he may have permissoin rights issue trying to back those up [04:03] i got admin password [04:03] he shouldn't do 'cause it is user created [04:03] ok cool [04:03] ok got it [04:04] now question is how to i restore it\ [04:04] or wait [04:04] let me reset pc [04:04] and see what will happen [04:04] ok? [04:04] luck [04:04] yep [04:04] kk good luck [04:05] how long have you been a party of the ubuntu community gr8m8 [04:05] you very resourceful [04:05] I started with the warty release [04:05] 2004 I think [04:06] oh wow pretty much when they first came out with it [04:07] only way I learned was to try stuff and break things then I'd have to learn how to fix it [04:07] ok [04:07] same think [04:07] 1 month 1/2 here i'm a noob but so far isn't to hard to learn [04:07] wizardslovak: no panels? [04:07] i got panels [04:07] good panels? [04:07] but not those i customized [04:08] i got those stock ones [04:08] ok can he costumise them again if he still has panels back up panels again [04:09] i got backup [04:09] I would kill the panels then restore the backup you made and start the panels from a terminal to see the errors [04:09] ok i killed them [04:10] xfce4-panel [04:10] turn them on [04:10] but terminal is like stuck [04:11] ctrl+c to unstick it but the panels will go away [04:11] it changed line lower but without wizzy@wizzy:~$ [04:11] yes they went away [04:11] xfce4-panel & will run the panels and let the terminal be free [04:11] the & means keep running the app in the background [04:12] it showed me [1] 1654 [04:12] that's fine [04:12] but its PITA to do that everytime i restart pc [04:13] are the panels how you want them now? [04:13] no [04:13] has it gone back to the prompt yet? [04:13] yes [04:13] with & on end it went [04:13] but still [04:14] panels are not those i customized [04:14] grrr [04:15] ok [04:15] thats weird [04:15] i moved panel up to my screen [04:15] and i got lots of errors in terminal [04:16] kill the panels - rename the panel folder and start the panels again - does a new panel folder get made in .config/xfce4 ? [04:16] whatr sort of errors? [04:16] http://pastebin.com/NxQEXx9F [04:18] what does ls -la ~/.config/xfced4 return in terminal ? [04:18] you have permission errors [04:19] that should have been ls -la ~/.config/xfce4 [04:20] http://pastebin.com/UXYMqt5h [04:20] hmmm panel folder is ROOT [04:21] you must have done some things with sudo or something [04:21] hmm [04:21] nothing in xfce4 folder [04:21] how would you repair sudoer ? [04:22] last think i did was update and apache2 configs [04:22] i did "sudo adduser username admin" [04:22] it showed me that username is already member of admin [04:22] in terminal do sudo chown -Rv wizardslovak:wizardslovak .config/xfce4/panel [04:23] you should be fine to change the panel but run it from terminal to check first [04:25] ehh [04:25] did it [04:25] killed panel [04:25] then started it again [04:25] and same think [04:26] i even changed panel folder with the one i backed up [04:26] still nothing [04:27] btw ls -la ~/.config/xfce4 shows same thinkk [04:27] panel owend by root [04:34] did you do the chown bit? [04:34] I'm probably missing something really obvious in my googlings, but I can't seem to find a good guide on how to share a folder over a network (two xubuntu machines). Already ran shares-admin on both machines to install necessary stuff. And set the proper folder on the host machine... hrm. [04:35] wizardslovak: and make sure you do everything else as your user not root or sudo -i or something [04:35] hmm [04:35] !smb | delirus [04:35] delirus: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [04:35] i did that chown think [04:36] i use sudo only for updates and when working with apache [04:36] nothing else [04:36] wizardslovak: try in terminal sudo chown -Rv wizardslovak:wizardslovak .config/xfce4 and then do ls -la .config/ [04:36] * delirus doesn't care about windows environments [04:37] !cifs [04:37] I use nfs so sharing files seems silly to me [04:37] ah... should look that up [04:37] !nfs [04:37] nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS. [04:37] nfs what is that lol [04:38] heh, I dig the bot 8) [04:38] !bot [04:38] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [04:38] network file system [04:38] gr8m8, ok done it [04:38] wizardslovak: check that you own the panels folder [04:38] !synergy [04:38] !messagethebot [04:38] Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [04:39] yes i am owner of it [04:39] wizardslovak: try and do stuff to the panel now and see what happens [04:39] ok [04:40] i killed it [04:40] then turned on and same think [04:41] how are you starting it? [04:41] xfc4-panel& [04:41] xfc4-panel & [04:41] xfce4-panel & [04:41] what does id return in terminal? [04:42] 2085 [04:42] uid=1000(pnewm) gid=1000(pnewm) groups=1000(pnewm),7(lp),10(wheel),91(video),92(audio),93(optical),95(storage),98(power),100(users) [04:43] it should be like that ^^ [04:43] nothing like that [04:44] ok got it [04:45] uid=1000(wizardslovak) gid=1000(wizardslovak) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),118(admin),121(sambashare),1000(wizardslovak) [04:45] fine [04:46] ?? [04:46] I've no idea then why when you start the panel the folder gets owned by root [04:46] hmm [04:46] neighter do i [04:47] i never had problems with kubuntu hmmm [04:47] i am seriously thinking to reformat pc again [04:47] sudo cmd itself doesn't give you a error does it if you try to do sudo apt-get update [04:48] I would kill the panel and delete the panel folder, close the terminal and open a new one and start the panel and check who owns the folder that gets made [04:48] "command not found [04:48] hmm [04:49] failed to remove panel [04:50] failder to remove "xfce4-menu-5.rc" [04:50] have you added anything to /etc/sudoers ? [04:51] no [04:51] i cant remove folder even with rm -r [04:51] access denied [04:52] in termal " gksudo nautilus" this should open a root file system try to delete it this way [04:52] that'll be 'cause root owns it [04:52] ok got it deleted [04:52] now start it and see [04:52] no close that terminal [04:52] no close that terminal [04:53] ok closed [04:53] open a new terminal - one that hasn't run sudo - if the panel folder doesn't exist [04:53] ok done [04:54] and start the panel and try to do stuff to it [04:54] got errors [04:54] gr8m8 have you ever seen this issue before [04:54] nope [04:55] what does ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4 return ? [04:55] well maybe it gave you some errors that you can work with [04:55] http://pastebin.com/P1myELb2 [04:56] "no such file or directory" [04:56] that's fine - in the panel folder find the .rc that has the mixer in it and delete it [04:56] panel folder is empty [04:57] heh [04:57] what was no such file or directory ? [04:57] ok for the ls bit [04:57] ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4 [04:58] that was my bad - multitasking here - it should have been /usr/bin/xfce4-panel [04:59] wizardslovak@wizzy-lpt:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4-panel [04:59] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103984 2010-02-06 11:14 /usr/bin/xfce4-panel [04:59] that looks fine [04:59] yea [04:59] i got two panels [04:59] as before [05:00] its ok now [05:00] and who owns the panel folder? [05:00] user [05:00] woot! [05:00] hihi [05:00] lets not hurry into anything yet [05:00] try a logout and login then [05:00] let me restart and see [05:02] if this worked what would have been the problem causing it to take root [05:02] something in the terminal it seems [05:02] who knows what... [05:02] hmmm strange [05:03] ok back [05:03] yes ? [05:03] and its as it suppose to be [05:03] ;) [05:03] thank you [05:03] woo hoo gr8m8 is the man [05:03] word up [05:03] I like a challenge so thank you :) [05:03] thank you [05:03] yea [05:03] i like chalenges too [05:03] heh [05:03] reason i switched for linux [05:03] ;) [05:04] i was lost most of the time i was just chiming in when i knew a alternate way of getting something done [05:04] thank you people [05:04] how long u been using xubuntu? [05:04] yw :) [05:05] me? little over a month [05:05] I used it for a year in '06 I use archlinux now [05:06] I prefer minimalism [05:06] yea [05:06] is archlinux a user friendly linux [05:06] reason i got xubuntu is for its lower requirements [05:06] i like to play with virtualization [05:06] btw [05:06] no - you have to know about the base system to get things working well [05:07] me to and ubuntu is going to unity interface and i don't like the cloud look so looking for a alteritive interface [05:07] freebird, get virtualbox and check archlinux in it [05:07] I would recommend reading the arch wiki before doing any installs [05:08] lol ty wizard i have it i just have to download and try archlinux [05:08] oh ok [05:08] ;) [05:08] it doesn't work like ubuntu does [05:08] isn't it slackware like [05:08] thats how i tried lots of linux oses before choosing [05:08] how different it is? [05:08] not really but there are similarities [05:09] with your own words [05:09] me to i like fedora but i don't like thier software center [05:09] arch doesn't have any friendly gui apps for software installing [05:09] i liked suse [05:10] you have to be confident on the cli [05:10] but i love ubuntu apt-get command [05:10] seriously i prefer do in terminal then gui [05:10] i am not pro with it , i started as i wanted to learn ubuntu server [05:10] fun to learn tho [05:10] me to but in termanal things tend to go wrong more often [05:10] yeap [05:11] but much faster [05:11] ;) [05:11] I would recommend doing an ubuntu minimal install as practise before trying a distro like arch [05:11] that'll teach you what you do and don't know [05:12] hmm [05:12] that might be a good ideal i love the command line but i don't know the cmds that well so how would you learn them [05:12] I use the tab key in the terminal to cut down on mistakes [05:12] !tab [05:12] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [05:12] huh i dont know much commands too [05:12] jsut few [05:13] nice didn't know about the tab [05:13] how do u install arch > netinstall image or core cd? [05:13] yea tab think is cool [05:13] it starts from a cde then you get most everything else from the net [05:13] s/cde/cd/ [05:14] i am checking the arch linux dw page [05:14] they got two net and core [05:14] read the beginners page on the wiki first [05:14] or you'll get into trouble with it [05:15] gr8m8, do you know much about configuring ssh to connect to 127.0.0.1 and then connecting to auctual ip as ssh2 [05:15]