[00:16] <Guest19536> how do i get to off topic
[00:18] <freebird> knome
[00:19] <knome> freebird, :) /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:19] <freebird> knome ty so much
[00:20] <knome> np
[00:26] <aladoinsano> I have created the following short script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544211/ to autostart with Xubuntu, and it does that just fine, but i always get prompted to enter my password, can i somehow avoid that?
[00:38] <knome> aladoinsano, well, with gksudo, you should be prompted...
[00:39] <MorphixNW> is there anyway I can make my USB to VGA converter work?
[00:40] <aladoinsano> knome, is there a way around that? i need to start this script on start-up but obviously do not want to enter the pass all the time
[00:40] <MorphixNW> freebird: aint that the command I gave you earlier?
[00:41] <knome> MorphixNW, try the package sisusbvga
[00:41] <freebird> sorry what cmd i missed it
[00:41] <MorphixNW> "/join #xubuntu-offtopic"
[00:41] <freebird> yes
[00:41] <knome> aladoinsano, with gksudo, no. and i don't know if there is any other way either
[00:42] <MorphixNW> :)
[00:42] <MorphixNW> knome: ty
[00:43] <aladoinsano> knome, maybe i can move the application to my home folder, will try that..
[00:43] <knome> aladoinsano, that should make no difference, you're still restarting a service
[00:44] <knome> s/should make/makes/
[00:44] <freebird> you can make a launcher where it gives you admin rights til you close your file system window
[00:44] <knome> freebird, you still need to enter the password
[00:45] <knome> aladoinsano, you probably should look into restarting/starting the service in some other runlevel
[00:45] <knome> !runlevel
[00:45] <knome> !upstart
[00:45] <freebird> password?
[00:45] <knome> freebird, well if you run anything that needs root rights, you need to enter a password
[00:46] <freebird> cmd:     gksudo nautilus
[00:47] <freebird> yeah true but you should know the password to the system which you should know if your already on it correct
[00:48] <knome> of course
[00:48] <knome> but that's not automatical
[00:48] <freebird> true
[00:49] <aladoinsano> ok, so there is no way i can have this auto started without being prompted for the password?
[00:50] <knome> aladoinsano, do you speicifically need to *restart* the service, or would just starting it be enough?
[00:51] <aladoinsano> knome, no starting it would be fine, it is not started as far as i know. the "restart" came along when i copied the code from the app's .desktop file
[00:52] <freebird> in xfce think its login under system you can turn off your login password but you will still need the password to perform certain task if your lazy and just don't want to type you can copy and paste it in :D
[00:55] <knome> aladoinsano, install the package rcconf and run it, you should be able to select starting that service on boot
[00:59] <aladoinsano> knome, it's not in the list when i run rcconf, but maybe i can manually add it somewhere?
[01:00] <knome> hmm, that's weird
[01:00] <aladoinsano> can i put the script in /etc/init.d/?
[01:00] <knome> yeah, i suppose you can add that someway
[01:00] <MorphixNW> right that me for the night guys, thanks to everyone for your help ill be back tomorrow with more Qs :P
[01:01] <knome> MorphixNW, night
[01:01] <knome> aladoinsano, i haven't got that much experience with boot stuff...
[01:02] <aladoinsano> ok, i think i will call it a night as well, will dig deeper into this tomorrow, thanks for the help though, night
[01:04] <knome> aladoinsano, night
[03:17] <wizardslovak> hello people
[03:17] <wizardslovak> when my pc starts i dont see no upper and lower panel
[03:18] <wizardslovak> i do xfce4-panel command
[03:18] <wizardslovak> and nothing
[03:18] <wizardslovak> just blinks and hides
[03:18] <wizardslovak> i cannot get it up
[03:28] <freebird> wizardslovak what have you tried so far
[03:28] <wizardslovak> well
[03:28] <wizardslovak> u know when u turn on
[03:28] <freebird> yeah
[03:28] <wizardslovak> and u have "aplances" and places?
[03:28] <wizardslovak> well i dont have that
[03:28] <wizardslovak> not i put command again
[03:28] <wizardslovak> and i got some other toolbar
[03:28] <wizardslovak> x with mouse
[03:29] <wizardslovak> something new
[03:30] <wizardslovak> like i like to have running proceses to be seen lower
[03:31] <wizardslovak> not up
[03:31] <freebird> ok try this
[03:31] <freebird> press  Alt+F2
[03:31] <freebird> type xfce4-panel
[03:31] <freebird> click run
[03:32] <wizardslovak> blinked and nothing
[03:32] <freebird> alt+f2                           (run window)
[03:32] <freebird>     killall xfce4-panel              (command to kill the panels)
[03:32] <freebird>     Click on "Run"                   (or hit the enter key)
[03:32] <freebird>     alt+f2                           (run window)
[03:32] <freebird>     rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel/    (delete the Xfce4 panel's config files for your user)
[03:32] <freebird>     Click on "Run"                   (or hit the enter key)
[03:32] <freebird>     alt+f2                           (run window)
[03:32] <freebird>     cp -r /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel ~/.config/xfce4/    (copies existing default file)
[03:32] <freebird>     Click on "Run"                   (or hit the enter key)
[03:32] <freebird>     alt+f2                           (run window)
[03:33] <freebird>     xfce4-panel &                    (command to start panels)
[03:33] <freebird>     Click on "Run"                   (or hit the enter key)
[03:33] <moetunes> run   xfce4-panel   from a terminal to catch errors
[03:33] <freebird> opps that was longer than i exspected
[03:33] <moetunes> !paste | freebird
[03:34] <freebird> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[03:35] <freebird> that will be easier to follow
[03:36] <wizardslovak> give me sec
[03:36] <freebird> ty moetunes
[03:36] <wizardslovak> give me sec
[03:36] <^Phantom^> If the xubuntu live CD actually boots on my laptop (the ubuntu one wouldn't) can I please get help making a backup of the hard drive for restoring in case this doesn't work on the laptop?
[03:37] <freebird> sorry only app that may do that that i know of is xclone
[03:38] <^Phantom^> I was told in ubuntu that a liveCD can backup/restore the drive as is.
[03:39] <freebird> i'm not saying that it can't i just don't know how to do it
[03:39] <^Phantom^> Maybe I'll just split that drive 50/50
[03:39] <^Phantom^> And dual-boot.
[03:39] <freebird> might be easies way
[03:39] <freebird> easiest*
[03:40] <^Phantom^> Once I upgrade the ram, though, I'm putting full ubuntu on it
[03:40] <^Phantom^> it has 192mb right now
[03:40] <freebird> i just switched from ubuntu
[03:40] <^Phantom^> Nice
[03:40] <freebird> the irc help is much better with xubuntu
[03:41] <freebird> i just use the gnome interface
[03:42] <^Phantom^> Ah
[03:42] <freebird> looks like real ubuntu has a few different apps installed but basically the same other than running a little faster
[03:42] <^Phantom^> I'll start with this tomorrow, though.
[03:43] <^Phantom^> ^_^
[03:43] <freebird> lol :D btw how much ram you putting in
[03:44] <^Phantom^> 1GB
[03:44] <^Phantom^> the max that mobo supports
[03:44] <freebird> i hear ya
[03:45] <freebird> brb gotta reboot router
[03:45] <^Phantom^> Maybe Lubuntu would be better for that lappy for now?
[03:46] <gr8m8> you could do a minimal install
[03:46] <gr8m8> !minimal
[03:46] <freebird> not sure lubuntu and xubuntu both are fairly low resources not sure which is better thou
[03:47] <gr8m8> I think lubuntu is the lowest resource of the 'buntus now
[03:47] <freebird> gr8m8 ty
[03:47] <gr8m8> it uses openbox as the window manager
[03:47] <^Phantom^> ty gr8m8
[03:48] <^Phantom^> I'm actually also considering waiting until Christmas, and just buy the ram with my christmas money.
[03:48] <^Phantom^> Then put full on ubuntu on it.
[03:49] <freebird> cool  is the laptop extra pc or your main pc
[03:49] <^Phantom^> extra
[03:49] <^Phantom^> i have a desktop that i use as main
[03:49] <^Phantom^> (i'm on it now)
[03:50] <freebird> then reg ubuntu should run fine with 1g might need to be restarted a little more often but should do fine
[03:50] <^Phantom^> Sweet.
[03:51]  * ^Phantom^ misses his laptop that had 2.5GB ram
[03:51] <^Phantom^> inverter died
[03:51] <^Phantom^> then mobo died
[03:52] <freebird> i had it running on 512 for a while and had to reboot once a day or it went stupid  as long as i rebooted once a day it ran decent outside of being a little sluggish
[03:53] <^Phantom^> nice
[03:53] <freebird> ouch that sucks when mobo goes out
[03:53] <^Phantom^> yeah
[03:53] <^Phantom^> electrical problem somewhere, couldn't pinpoint it
[03:53] <^Phantom^> it would boot up, but kept restarting
[03:53] <freebird> lol i have a laptop that the proc fan died had to build this system
[03:54] <^Phantom^> i thought the fan had died, but it didn't
[03:54] <freebird> compasitors busted on it sounds like
[03:54] <wizardslovak> ok i dont toolbars nicely
[03:54] <wizardslovak> is there anything i can do to save them
[03:54] <freebird> wizardslovak did it work
[03:54] <wizardslovak> so everytime i turn on pc is will be the same?
[03:54] <wizardslovak> naah
[03:55] <^Phantom^> freebird, probably
[03:55] <wizardslovak> i redone all of them
[03:55] <wizardslovak> now i need to save them somehow
[03:55] <^Phantom^> i put the ram in my dads lappy
[03:55] <^Phantom^> same model and everything
[03:55] <freebird> gr8m8  do you know bro i'm not sure how to save those settings
[03:55] <wizardslovak> hmm
[03:56] <gr8m8> they should be saved in ~/.config/xfce/panels
[03:56] <freebird> i'm sure its something simple just have to find the solution
[03:56] <gr8m8> start the panel from a terminal to catch why it fails
[03:57] <gr8m8> get a good config for the panel then make a backup of that file so it is easier to restore it
[03:58] <wizardslovak> ok
[03:58] <wizardslovak> how do i back it up then?
[03:58] <wizardslovak> i neve had problem in kubuntu
[03:58] <wizardslovak> lol
[03:58] <wizardslovak> this xfce makes problems everytime
[03:58] <gr8m8> right click the file - select copy - right click an empty space in the folder and select paste
[03:59] <wizardslovak> which file?
[03:59] <gr8m8> ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[04:00] <gr8m8> sorry it is a folder - the folder has the applet configs in it
[04:00] <wizardslovak> yea
[04:00] <wizardslovak> i am trying to find it
[04:00] <gr8m8> backup the folder
[04:00] <wizardslovak> any idea where/?
[04:01] <gr8m8> in your home directory click   view - show hidden files
[04:01] <gr8m8> then open .config
[04:01] <wizardslovak> ok got it
[04:02] <wizardslovak> back up whole folder?
[04:02] <wizardslovak> xfce4
[04:02] <gr8m8> no backup the panel folder in the xfce4 folder
[04:02] <gr8m8> the panel folder is in the xfce4 folder
[04:02] <freebird> he may have permissoin rights issue trying to back those up
[04:03] <wizardslovak> i got admin password
[04:03] <gr8m8> he shouldn't do 'cause it is user created
[04:03] <freebird> ok cool
[04:03] <wizardslovak> ok got it
[04:04] <wizardslovak> now question is how to i restore it\
[04:04] <wizardslovak> or wait
[04:04] <wizardslovak> let me reset pc
[04:04] <wizardslovak> and see what will happen
[04:04] <wizardslovak> ok?
[04:04] <gr8m8> luck
[04:04] <gr8m8> yep
[04:04] <freebird> kk good luck
[04:05] <freebird> how long have you been a party of the ubuntu community gr8m8
[04:05] <freebird> you very resourceful
[04:05] <gr8m8> I started with the warty release
[04:05] <gr8m8> 2004 I think
[04:06] <freebird> oh wow pretty much when they first came out with it
[04:07] <gr8m8> only way I learned was to try stuff and break things then I'd have to learn how to fix it
[04:07] <wizardslovak> ok
[04:07] <wizardslovak> same think
[04:07] <freebird> 1 month 1/2 here i'm a noob but so far isn't to hard to learn
[04:07] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: no panels?
[04:07] <wizardslovak> i got panels
[04:07] <gr8m8> good panels?
[04:07] <wizardslovak> but not those i customized
[04:08] <wizardslovak> i got those stock ones
[04:08] <freebird> ok can he costumise them again if he still has panels back up panels again
[04:09] <wizardslovak> i got backup
[04:09] <gr8m8> I would kill the panels then restore the backup you made and start the panels from a terminal to see the errors
[04:09] <wizardslovak> ok i killed them
[04:10] <wizardslovak> xfce4-panel
[04:10] <wizardslovak> turn them on
[04:10] <wizardslovak> but terminal is like stuck
[04:11] <gr8m8> ctrl+c to unstick it but the panels will go away
[04:11] <wizardslovak> it changed line lower but without wizzy@wizzy:~$
[04:11] <wizardslovak> yes they went away
[04:11] <gr8m8> xfce4-panel &   will run the panels and let the terminal be free
[04:11] <gr8m8> the & means keep running the app in the background
[04:12] <wizardslovak> it showed me [1] 1654
[04:12] <gr8m8> that's fine
[04:12] <wizardslovak> but its PITA to do that everytime i restart pc
[04:13] <gr8m8> are the panels how you want them now?
[04:13] <wizardslovak> no
[04:13] <freebird> has it gone back to the prompt yet?
[04:13] <wizardslovak> yes
[04:13] <wizardslovak> with & on end it went
[04:13] <wizardslovak> but still
[04:14] <wizardslovak> panels are not those i customized
[04:14] <wizardslovak> grrr
[04:15] <wizardslovak> ok
[04:15] <wizardslovak> thats weird
[04:15] <wizardslovak> i moved panel up to my screen
[04:15] <wizardslovak> and i got lots of errors in terminal
[04:16] <gr8m8> kill the panels - rename the panel folder and start the panels again - does a new panel folder get made in .config/xfce4 ?
[04:16] <gr8m8> whatr sort of errors?
[04:16] <wizardslovak> http://pastebin.com/NxQEXx9F
[04:18] <gr8m8> what does    ls -la ~/.config/xfced4   return in terminal ?
[04:18] <gr8m8> you have permission errors
[04:19] <gr8m8> that should have been    ls -la ~/.config/xfce4
[04:20] <wizardslovak> http://pastebin.com/UXYMqt5h
[04:20] <wizardslovak> hmmm panel folder is ROOT
[04:21] <gr8m8> you must have done some things with sudo or something
[04:21] <wizardslovak> hmm
[04:21] <wizardslovak> nothing in xfce4 folder
[04:21] <freebird> how would you repair sudoer ?
[04:22] <wizardslovak> last think i did was update and apache2 configs
[04:22] <wizardslovak> i did "sudo adduser username admin"
[04:22] <wizardslovak> it showed me that username is already member of admin
[04:22] <gr8m8> in terminal do   sudo chown -Rv wizardslovak:wizardslovak .config/xfce4/panel
[04:23] <gr8m8> you should be fine to change the panel but run it from terminal to check first
[04:25] <wizardslovak> ehh
[04:25] <wizardslovak> did it
[04:25] <wizardslovak> killed panel
[04:25] <wizardslovak> then started it again
[04:25] <wizardslovak> and same think
[04:26] <wizardslovak> i even changed panel folder with the one i backed up
[04:26] <wizardslovak> still nothing
[04:27] <wizardslovak> btw ls -la ~/.config/xfce4 shows same thinkk
[04:27] <wizardslovak> panel owend by root
[04:34] <gr8m8> did you do the chown bit?
[04:34] <delirus> I'm probably missing something really obvious in my googlings, but I can't seem to find a good guide on how to share a folder over a network (two xubuntu machines).  Already ran shares-admin on both machines to install necessary stuff.  And set the proper folder on the host machine...  hrm.
[04:35] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: and make sure you do everything else as your user not root or sudo -i or something
[04:35] <wizardslovak> hmm
[04:35] <gr8m8> !smb  | delirus
[04:35] <wizardslovak> i did that chown think
[04:36] <wizardslovak> i use sudo only for updates and when working with apache
[04:36] <wizardslovak> nothing else
[04:36] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: try in terminal    sudo chown -Rv wizardslovak:wizardslovak .config/xfce4 and then do ls -la .config/
[04:36]  * delirus doesn't care about windows environments
[04:37] <gr8m8> !cifs
[04:37] <gr8m8> I use nfs so sharing files seems silly to me
[04:37] <delirus> ah... should look that up
[04:37] <gr8m8> !nfs
[04:37] <freebird> nfs what is that lol
[04:38] <delirus> heh, I dig the bot 8)
[04:38] <gr8m8> !bot
[04:38] <delirus> network file system
[04:38] <wizardslovak> gr8m8,  ok done it
[04:38] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: check that you own the panels folder
[04:38] <delirus> !synergy
[04:38] <gr8m8> !messagethebot
[04:39] <wizardslovak> yes i am owner of it
[04:39] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: try and do stuff to the panel now and see what happens
[04:39] <wizardslovak> ok
[04:40] <wizardslovak> i killed it
[04:40] <wizardslovak> then turned on and same think
[04:41] <gr8m8> how are you starting it?
[04:41] <wizardslovak> xfc4-panel&
[04:41] <wizardslovak> xfc4-panel &
[04:41] <wizardslovak> xfce4-panel &
[04:41] <gr8m8> what does   id   return in terminal?
[04:42] <wizardslovak> 2085
[04:42] <gr8m8> uid=1000(pnewm) gid=1000(pnewm) groups=1000(pnewm),7(lp),10(wheel),91(video),92(audio),93(optical),95(storage),98(power),100(users)
[04:43] <gr8m8> it should be like that ^^
[04:43] <wizardslovak> nothing like that
[04:44] <wizardslovak> ok got it
[04:45] <wizardslovak> uid=1000(wizardslovak) gid=1000(wizardslovak) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),118(admin),121(sambashare),1000(wizardslovak)
[04:45] <gr8m8> fine
[04:46] <wizardslovak> ??
[04:46] <gr8m8> I've no idea then why when you start the panel the folder gets owned by root
[04:46] <wizardslovak> hmm
[04:46] <wizardslovak> neighter do i
[04:47] <wizardslovak> i never had problems with kubuntu hmmm
[04:47] <wizardslovak> i am seriously thinking to reformat pc again
[04:47] <freebird> sudo cmd itself doesn't give you a error does it if you try to do sudo apt-get update
[04:48] <gr8m8> I would kill the panel and delete the panel folder, close the terminal and open a new one and start the panel and check who owns the folder that gets made
[04:48] <wizardslovak> "command not found
[04:48] <freebird> hmm
[04:49] <wizardslovak> failed to remove panel
[04:50] <wizardslovak> failder to remove "xfce4-menu-5.rc"
[04:50] <gr8m8> have you added anything to /etc/sudoers ?
[04:51] <wizardslovak> no
[04:51] <wizardslovak> i cant remove folder even with rm -r
[04:51] <wizardslovak> access denied
[04:52] <freebird> in termal             " gksudo nautilus"      this should open a root file system try to delete it this way
[04:52] <gr8m8> that'll be 'cause root owns it
[04:52] <wizardslovak> ok got it deleted
[04:52] <wizardslovak> now start it and see
[04:52] <gr8m8> no close that terminal
[04:52] <gr8m8> no close that terminal
[04:53] <wizardslovak> ok closed
[04:53] <gr8m8> open a new terminal - one that hasn't run sudo - if the panel folder doesn't exist
[04:53] <wizardslovak> ok done
[04:54] <gr8m8> and start the panel and try to do stuff to it
[04:54] <wizardslovak> got errors
[04:54] <freebird> gr8m8 have you ever seen this issue before
[04:54] <gr8m8> nope
[04:55] <gr8m8> what does   ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4   return ?
[04:55] <freebird> well maybe it gave you some errors that you can work with
[04:55] <wizardslovak> http://pastebin.com/P1myELb2
[04:56] <wizardslovak> "no such file or directory"
[04:56] <gr8m8> that's fine - in the panel folder find the .rc that has the mixer in it and delete it
[04:56] <wizardslovak> panel folder is empty
[04:57] <gr8m8> heh
[04:57] <gr8m8> what was   no such file or directory ?
[04:57] <gr8m8> ok for the ls bit
[04:57] <wizardslovak> ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4
[04:58] <gr8m8> that was my bad - multitasking here - it should have been /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
[04:59] <wizardslovak> wizardslovak@wizzy-lpt:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
[04:59] <wizardslovak> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103984 2010-02-06 11:14 /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
[04:59] <gr8m8> that looks fine
[04:59] <wizardslovak> yea
[04:59] <wizardslovak> i got two panels
[04:59] <wizardslovak> as before
[05:00] <wizardslovak> its ok now
[05:00] <gr8m8> and who owns the panel folder?
[05:00] <wizardslovak> user
[05:00] <gr8m8> woot!
[05:00] <wizardslovak> hihi
[05:00] <wizardslovak> lets not hurry into anything yet
[05:00] <gr8m8> try a logout and login then
[05:00] <wizardslovak> let me restart and see
[05:02] <freebird> if this worked what would have been the problem causing it to take root
[05:02] <gr8m8> something in the terminal it seems
[05:02] <gr8m8> who knows what...
[05:02] <freebird> hmmm  strange
[05:03] <wizardslovak> ok back
[05:03] <freebird> yes ?
[05:03] <wizardslovak> and its as it suppose to be
[05:03] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:03] <wizardslovak> thank you
[05:03] <freebird> woo hoo gr8m8 is the man
[05:03] <wizardslovak> word up
[05:03] <gr8m8> I like a challenge so thank you :)
[05:03] <wizardslovak> thank you
[05:03] <wizardslovak> yea
[05:03] <wizardslovak> i like chalenges too
[05:03] <wizardslovak> heh
[05:03] <wizardslovak> reason i switched for linux
[05:03] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:04] <freebird> i was lost most of the time i was just chiming in when i knew a alternate way of getting something done
[05:04] <wizardslovak> thank you people
[05:04] <wizardslovak> how long u been using xubuntu?
[05:04] <gr8m8> yw :)
[05:05] <freebird> me? little over a month
[05:05] <gr8m8> I used it for a year in '06 I use archlinux now
[05:06] <gr8m8> I prefer minimalism
[05:06] <wizardslovak> yea
[05:06] <freebird> is archlinux a user friendly linux
[05:06] <wizardslovak> reason i got xubuntu is for its lower requirements
[05:06] <wizardslovak> i like to play with virtualization
[05:06] <wizardslovak> btw
[05:06] <gr8m8> no - you have to know about the base system to get things working well
[05:07] <freebird> me to and ubuntu is going to unity interface and i don't like the cloud look so looking for a alteritive interface
[05:07] <wizardslovak> freebird,  get virtualbox and check archlinux in it
[05:07] <gr8m8> I would recommend reading the arch wiki before doing any installs
[05:08] <freebird> lol ty wizard i have it i just have to download and try archlinux
[05:08] <wizardslovak> oh ok
[05:08] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:08] <gr8m8> it doesn't work like ubuntu does
[05:08] <freebird> isn't it slackware like
[05:08] <wizardslovak> thats how i tried lots of linux oses before choosing
[05:08] <wizardslovak> how different it is?
[05:08] <gr8m8> not really but there are similarities
[05:09] <wizardslovak> with your own words
[05:09] <freebird> me to i like fedora but i don't like thier software center
[05:09] <gr8m8> arch doesn't have any friendly gui apps for software installing
[05:09] <wizardslovak> i liked suse
[05:10] <gr8m8> you have to be confident on the cli
[05:10] <wizardslovak> but i love ubuntu apt-get command
[05:10] <wizardslovak> seriously i prefer do in terminal then gui
[05:10] <wizardslovak> i am not pro with it , i started as i wanted to learn ubuntu server
[05:10] <wizardslovak> fun to learn tho
[05:10] <freebird> me to but in termanal things tend to go wrong more often
[05:10] <wizardslovak> yeap
[05:11] <wizardslovak> but much faster
[05:11] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:11] <gr8m8> I would recommend doing an ubuntu minimal install as practise before trying a distro like arch
[05:11] <gr8m8> that'll teach you what you do and don't know
[05:12] <wizardslovak> hmm
[05:12] <freebird> that might be a good ideal i love the command line but i don't know the cmds that well so how would you learn them
[05:12] <gr8m8> I use the tab key in the terminal to cut down on mistakes
[05:12] <gr8m8> !tab
[05:12] <wizardslovak> huh i dont know much commands too
[05:12] <wizardslovak> jsut few
[05:13] <freebird> nice didn't know about the tab
[05:13] <wizardslovak> how do u install arch > netinstall image or core cd?
[05:13] <wizardslovak> yea tab think is cool
[05:13] <gr8m8> it starts from a cde then you get most everything else from the net
[05:13] <gr8m8> s/cde/cd/
[05:14] <wizardslovak> i am checking the arch linux dw page
[05:14] <wizardslovak> they got two net and core
[05:14] <gr8m8> read the beginners page on the wiki first
[05:14] <gr8m8> or you'll get into trouble with it
[05:15] <freebird> gr8m8,  do you know much about configuring ssh to connect to 127.0.0.1 and then connecting to auctual ip as ssh2
[05:15] <gr8m8> no - there might be a clue in the ubuntu wiki
[05:15] <gr8m8> !ssh
[05:16] <freebird> ok ty i'll look at it
[05:16] <wizardslovak> lots of reading
[05:16] <gr8m8> for forwarding x through ssh you use localhost so read on that
[05:16] <gr8m8> it'll give a clue
[05:16] <wizardslovak> for now i just get better with ubuntu linuxes
[05:16] <freebird> kk
[05:17] <gr8m8> good idea - linux needs practise to use properly
[05:17] <freebird> how long have you been using linux wizardslovak
[05:17] <wizardslovak> yea
[05:17] <wizardslovak> hmm
[05:17] <wizardslovak> ubuntu server for almost a year
[05:17] <freebird> cool
[05:17] <wizardslovak> kubuntu , few days a month in last 2 years
[05:17] <wizardslovak> and xubuntu this is my 4th day
[05:18] <wizardslovak> i used to switch btw windows and linux
[05:18] <wizardslovak> but now i decided linux only
[05:18] <freebird> so more less you just need more time in it to learn
[05:18] <wizardslovak> yea
[05:18] <wizardslovak> i like to be unique hehe
[05:18] <gr8m8> but you have to do different stuff to learn more
[05:18] <freebird> think we all do lol
[05:18] <wizardslovak> all of my friends use windows or macs
[05:18] <wizardslovak> yea
[05:19] <wizardslovak> i like to play with apache and server stuff
[05:19] <wizardslovak> but to get into it i gotta get better with desktop
[05:19] <freebird> why else would we choose linux so we can beat our head against the wall :P
[05:19] <wizardslovak> and b est way is to use it on daily bases
[05:19] <wizardslovak> haha
[05:19] <wizardslovak> u been using it few months
[05:19] <wizardslovak> ??
[05:19] <freebird> month 1/2
[05:20] <freebird> its getting easier thou
[05:20] <wizardslovak> yeap
[05:20] <wizardslovak> i remember first day
[05:20] <wizardslovak> lmao
[05:20] <wizardslovak> was pissed every second
[05:21] <freebird> biggest issue is when i convert a mkv to avi afterwards i can't play any video files lol
[05:21] <wizardslovak> huh
[05:21] <wizardslovak> i didnt get to that one yet
[05:21] <wizardslovak> i just use ps3media server
[05:21] <freebird> will that convert formats?
[05:21] <wizardslovak> no
[05:22] <wizardslovak> it will able for ps to see and play videos
[05:23] <wizardslovak> its just
[05:23] <wizardslovak> in windows  i never had problems with connecting
[05:23] <wizardslovak> but here i got
[05:23] <freebird> sometimes i need to convert .mkv files to a .avi and to do that i have to convert formats and then my codecs get screwed up i have to uninstall my converter and codecs and reinstall them :P
[05:23] <wizardslovak> + i have to start it manually every time
[05:23] <wizardslovak> ohh
[05:24] <wizardslovak> i used to use mkv2vob
[05:24] <wizardslovak> was good one
[05:24] <wizardslovak> as i dont have dts audio
[05:24] <freebird> so far i have figured out how to fix it but not a workaround to keep it from happening
[05:24] <wizardslovak> hmm
[05:24] <wizardslovak> what software u using?
[05:24] <gr8m8> avidemux is a good gui vid converter in linux
[05:25] <freebird> avidemux
[05:25] <freebird> thats the one i use and i use vlc to play videos
[05:25] <freebird> dvdstyler to convert to vob and burn to disc
[05:27] <wizardslovak> hmm
[05:27] <wizardslovak> dvdstyler might be usefull
[05:27] <wizardslovak> btw
[05:27] <wizardslovak> any good media server ?
[05:27] <wizardslovak> something i might use with ps
[05:27] <freebird> it is and user friendly for most part
[05:27] <wizardslovak> i am sick and tired to manually start the one i got everytime
[05:28] <freebird> freevo
[05:28] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[05:28] <freebird> delirus did you figure out your issue with the netwrok
[05:29] <wizardslovak> freebird, did u ever use it ?
[05:31] <freebird> wizardslovak,  freevo i have installed it thinking it was like a internet tv and figured out it was a media server similar to a tivo box but it can connect wirelessly to pc or ps
[05:31] <wizardslovak> installing it now
[05:31] <wizardslovak> ill give it a shot
[05:32] <delirus> freebird:  think I solved it the moment you typed that, actually.
[05:32] <delirus> testing
[05:32] <delirus> 8)
[05:32] <freebird> can also allow you to watch cable on your pc and record the shows
[05:32] <wizardslovak> nah
[05:32] <freebird> delirus,  fingers crossed
[05:32] <wizardslovak> i dont watch cable much
[05:32] <delirus> :D
[05:32] <delirus> got it
[05:32] <freebird> great
[05:32] <delirus> just gotta fiddle with permissions now.  thanks guys
[05:33] <freebird> the thanks goes to gr8m8
[05:33] <wizardslovak> both of u
[05:33] <freebird> ty wizardslovak
[05:34] <wizardslovak> ehh
[05:34] <wizardslovak> i dont already like it
[05:34] <wizardslovak> lol
[05:34] <wizardslovak> freevo think
[05:34] <delirus> nfs plus synergy... rocks :D
[05:35] <wizardslovak> is there posibility to start software on start up?
[05:35] <wizardslovak> its not installed software
[05:36] <wizardslovak> i have to manually start it , is there way i can tell linux to start it with system startup?
[05:36] <freebird> yeah one sec i'll google how to uninstall it
[05:37] <wizardslovak> got it out already
[05:37] <wizardslovak> ')
[05:37] <freebird> sudo apt-get remove freevo freevo-data python-freevo
[05:37] <wizardslovak> got it
[05:38] <freebird> lol i saw that once i already posted :P
[05:38] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:38] <freebird> gr8m8,  do you know of any media server software
[05:39] <gr8m8> NOPE - i JUST USE NFS MOUNTS AND RUN VIDS LOCALLY
[05:39] <delirus> hrm
[05:39] <delirus> just wondering
[05:39] <gr8m8> oops
[05:39] <gr8m8> vlc can stream stuff
[05:39] <wizardslovak> hihih
[05:39] <delirus> if I'm using NFS to mount a home partition from another PC.....  and I'm logged in as the same user on both PCs.... is that... erm... bad?
[05:39] <gr8m8> I do that here and never have issues
[05:40] <delirus> or does it only mess things up in the config directories, if I have the same applications open on both?
[05:40] <gr8m8> the same user on the diff comps gets a diff user id number
[05:40] <freebird> wizardslovak,  have you considered mythubunta              http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WMFJA029/en/US?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=20101214JA026&utm_source=20101213_JA013A_US&country_code=US
[05:40] <delirus> ah, cool
[05:40] <gr8m8> !mybuntu
[05:40] <gr8m8> !info mybuntu
[05:41] <gr8m8> well there you go
[05:41] <wizardslovak> i heard about it
[05:41] <gr8m8> !find mythbuntu
[05:41] <freebird> sorry wrong site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythbuntu
[05:42] <wizardslovak> well if ill figure out how to set up for system to start that software with start up i will be good
[05:42] <freebird> those bots are handy gr8m8
[05:42] <gr8m8> sometimes...
[05:42] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: if it isn't a gui app start it in /etc/local
[05:42] <freebird> freevo starts atomatically but i hated it started before you got to log in screen
[05:44] <freebird> you can add your app that you like to startup
[05:45] <wizardslovak> hmm
[05:45] <wizardslovak> cant find local folder
[05:45] <wizardslovak> nor file
[05:47] <wizardslovak> how do i add app to startup?
[05:48] <gr8m8> there's an autostart tab in the window manager settings iirc
[05:49] <wizardslovak> dont see it there
[05:50] <wizardslovak> ohh
[05:50] <gr8m8> I'm not in xfce to check atm
[05:50] <wizardslovak> session and startup
[05:50] <gr8m8> there you go :)
[05:50] <wizardslovak> got it
[05:50] <wizardslovak> thank you
[05:50] <gr8m8> np :)
[05:50] <freebird> i'm glad he knws where it is in xfce i only know how to find it in gnome
[05:51] <wizardslovak> well
[05:51] <wizardslovak> i just need to point me
[05:51] <wizardslovak> then i should be able to do it hehe
[05:51] <gr8m8> and the file should have /etc/rc.local so my bad
[05:51] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:51] <wizardslovak> thank you people
[05:51] <freebird> isn't there a cmd you can type in terminal to get the location of a app gr8m8
[05:52] <gr8m8> yep it is the   which   command
[05:52] <freebird> which empathy
[05:52] <freebird> like that
[05:52] <gr8m8> so which vlc would return /usr/bin/vlc
[05:53] <gr8m8> yep
[05:53] <freebird> ok got ya
[05:53] <freebird> ty i was trying to google it and couldn't find it lol
[05:53] <gr8m8> most apps are in /usr/bin
[05:53] <gr8m8> not all but most
[05:54] <freebird> yeah i have a gard time trying to figure out what goes to what app lol
[05:54] <freebird> hard*
[05:54] <wizardslovak> how do i find out which apps are running?
[05:55] <freebird> like libs and extra files that they need to run
[05:55] <freebird> ps
[05:55] <gr8m8> using   top   in terminal will tell the most active ones
[05:55] <wizardslovak> ;)
[05:56] <gr8m8> ps would give like 1700 lines or so
[05:56] <wizardslovak> thank you
[05:57] <gr8m8> I was wrong ps here gives 4 lines
[05:57] <freebird> lol but it works lol only way i know how to look up processes :P
[05:57] <freebird> is there a better way
[05:58] <gr8m8> I never try to do that - I use ps aux | grep appname to find out about a particular app
[05:58] <freebird> sometimes it doesn't show all the processes espeacially when you need to kill a process
[05:59] <freebird> aux for auxilary?
[05:59] <gr8m8> top is a good app for that - with it running press k and enter the pid of the app you need to kill
[06:00] <gr8m8> aux are diff options to ps - read man ps to find out more :)
[06:00] <freebird> top thats the name of the app right?
[06:00] <gr8m8> yep
[06:00] <gr8m8> q stops top from running
[06:01] <freebird> k makes it start right
[06:01] <gr8m8> k gives a line above the table asking for the pid
[06:01] <gr8m8> to kill
[06:02] <gr8m8> all you need to do is start top and you'll see it updating
[06:04] <freebird> cool ty
[06:04] <gr8m8> np :)
[06:04] <freebird> gr8m8, helps alot
[06:05] <gr8m8> it's what the channel is for - normally at this time of day help is hard to get
[06:05] <freebird> yeah today has been very educational due to this channel
[06:06] <freebird> sorry about picking your brain thou gr8m8
[06:07] <gr8m8> it's fine I'm just sitting out a storm atm
[06:07] <wizardslovak> ok guys thank you so much for help
[06:07] <wizardslovak> i will hit the ol' sack ;)
[06:07] <freebird> ok later wizardslovak
[06:08] <wizardslovak> night
[06:09] <freebird> gr8m8,  do you come on here often
[06:10] <gr8m8> I come under a couple of diff names - normally as moetunes and mostly around this time for a few hours
[06:10] <freebird> you was in here earlier under that name right?
[06:10] <gr8m8> I just didn't want to run my desktop comp during the storm
[06:11] <gr8m8> yep
[06:11] <freebird> i thought i remembered that name
[06:11] <gr8m8> I get a new nick for each new install I run
[06:12] <freebird> makes sense
[06:13] <freebird> thank you for all the info you have offered and given
[06:13] <gr8m8> you're welcome freebird :)
[06:13] <freebird> think i'm going to watch movie with the wife then head to bed
[06:14] <freebird> gr8m8,  have a good night
[06:14] <gr8m8> g'night then :)
[06:30]  * UBuxuBU wanders gregariuosly into the tranquil coders lair known as...Xubuntu!
[06:31] <UBuxuBU> gregariously*
[07:39] <puppy> Hello
[07:40] <puppy> what is the command line code for allowing a program to be trusted?
[10:25] <MorphixNW> hey peoples :)
[13:06] <MorphixNW> does anyone know a logfire type screensaver?
[13:06] <MorphixNW> or application?
[13:10] <MorphixNW> wow anyone? its too quite in here today :P
[13:13] <gr8m8> MorphixNW: I don't use a screensaver so...
[13:15] <MorphixNW> ill ask again later on no rush :)
[13:15] <MorphixNW> gr8m8: thank you anyways
[13:16] <gr8m8> np :)
[13:45] <MorphixNW> can anyone tell if it is possible to create a icon/shortcut for a keyboard short? i.e CTRL + A, which upon clicking the icon/shortcut it would apply the key combination without using a keyboard?
[14:19] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: no
[14:19] <TheSheep> MorphixNW: not easily
[14:20] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: ok thanks
[14:20] <TheSheep> there are software keyboards and such
[14:23] <MorphixNW> hmmmm do you know the name of one such?
[14:24] <Sysi> i think indic is one
[14:27] <MorphixNW> sysi: thanks
[14:37] <VonZ> Yay i just installed my first linux :)
[14:37] <charlie-tca__> :-)
[14:37] <VonZ> How can i install applications? Im trying to install adobe flash (I have Xubuntu 10.10)
[14:38] <charlie-tca__> VonZ: Applications -> System -> Synaptic Package Manager
[14:38] <MorphixNW> VonZ: could use terminal "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[14:38] <VonZ> Do you know if theres any finnish linux-channels at freenode? :)
[14:38] <charlie-tca__> !finnish
[14:39] <charlie-tca__> !fi
[14:39] <VonZ> thanks / kiitti :)
[14:39] <charlie-tca__> And, they can help with Xubuntu in the ubuntu channel
[14:40] <VonZ> ok :)
[14:46] <Sysi> (welcome)
[15:16] <MorphixNW> on-screen-keyboard is called is the apt sources under "gok"
[15:16] <MorphixNW> I got it working :)
[15:19] <charlie-tca__> should be one already installed called "onboard"
[15:19]  * charlie-tca__ is also bugs and testing for accessibility team
[15:24] <MorphixNW> I cant find it lol
[15:24] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: your right, I can load it from terminal ;)
[15:24] <MorphixNW> gok works too :P
[15:28] <charlie-tca__> I work with the accessibility team on that stuff; re-wrote half the wiki for them too
[15:28] <MorphixNW> wkd :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca__> The major problem with it is that you have to use a hardware keyboard to enter passwords in the GUI
[15:29] <MorphixNW> I think I can live with that :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca__> yeah, but those who need the thing can't use it
[15:30] <MorphixNW> truew
[15:30] <MorphixNW> true*
[15:49] <charlie-tca__> problem - I use claws-mail and need a filter such that if the Subject is the same as the Date, it goes to junk.
[15:49] <charlie-tca__> anyone know how to create it?
[15:50] <MorphixNW> beats me
[15:51] <MorphixNW> can any mail client for ubuntu collect from hotmail?
[15:51] <charlie-tca__> If you can do it with outlook, I would think so.
[15:52] <charlie-tca__> But I would not know how to do it
[15:52] <MorphixNW> cant be done anymore with outlook
[15:52] <TheSheep> beats me is not a nice answer
[15:53] <charlie-tca__> +1
[15:53] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: its a way of saying "I dont know" thats all
[15:53] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: Nothing nasty etc
[15:53] <TheSheep> do you know what would happen if all people on this chnnel answered 'I don't know' every time someone asks a question? :)
[15:54] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: Your being very picky
[15:54] <charlie-tca__> and the answer to the hotmail question is "yes"
[15:54] <MorphixNW> TheSheep: its better then no answer at all
[15:54] <MorphixNW> Charlie-tca: thank you kindly :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca__> MorphixNW: evolution can read hotmail.
[15:54] <Sysi> (somebody could ansver later)
[15:54] <charlie-tca__> see https://hjelp.ubuntu.com/community/UsingHotmailWithEvolution
[15:55] <MorphixNW> Charlie-TCA: awesome stuff, outlook stopped it years ago, so very glad it can be done :)
[15:55] <MorphixNW> Sysi: and someone most probably will
[15:55] <charlie-tca__> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingHotmailWithEvolution
[15:55] <charlie-tca__> I guess I should quit typing URL's. I get them all wrong
[15:55] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: thank you once again :)
[15:55] <MorphixNW> lol
[15:56] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[15:56] <MorphixNW> :)
[15:56] <charlie-tca__> Looking at that, you could use any mail client
[15:57] <charlie-tca__> It's just a matter of putting the information in the right places
[15:57] <MorphixNW> I will most definately be looking at that after my bath, thanks :)
[16:03] <hrw> hi
[16:04] <hrw> is there a ppa with xfce 4.8pre packages for maverick?
[16:04] <charlie-tca__> no
[16:04] <charlie-tca__> hrw: Most likely it will not be backported
[16:04] <hrw> thx
[16:05] <hrw> I just upgraded my arm netbook from maverick to natty and 4.8pre is awesome
[16:05] <charlie-tca__> agreed
[16:05] <hrw> but x86 laptop used by wife has to wait for release
[16:05] <charlie-tca__> why? we have the natty images out
[16:06] <charlie-tca__> The daily images are working again
[16:06] <hrw> because it is natty and I do not want to answer questions like "why it broke? it was working last time"
[16:06] <charlie-tca__> okay
[16:06] <charlie-tca__> Well, it is only a few months.
[16:06] <hrw> xfce4-places-plugin needs rebuild to work
[16:07] <hrw> I did that locally and it works fine
[16:07] <charlie-tca__> yup, so does the weather plugin
[16:07] <hrw> weather one fails even after rebuild
[16:12] <charlie-tca__> hrw: are you using the new panel configuration from Xfce or the xubuntu defaults?
[16:13] <hrw> I reconfigured panel before and got some parts of configuration destroyed during migration
[16:13] <charlie-tca__> ah
[16:13] <charlie-tca__> I chose the "default" and wound up with the Xfce panel instead. It is kind of neat!
[16:14] <hrw> but I am considering rm -rf ~/.xfce to check defaults
[16:15] <charlie-tca__> heh, gets you a top panel with quit on the right, task list, systemtray, clock
[16:15] <hrw> s/rm -rf/mv ;d
[16:15] <charlie-tca__> bottom panel is centered and short, just 4 launchers and application finder
[16:16] <charlie-tca__> I really like the way the panel properties are set up now
[16:17] <hrw> I checked defaults and reverted to my setup
[16:17] <hrw> 1024x600 is small resolution
[16:17] <hrw> 20px panel is enough
[16:17] <charlie-tca__> It is. Do you use a single panel on that?
[16:18] <hrw> yes
[16:18] <charlie-tca__> yup, I don't think what I have would be good for smaller screens
[16:18] <hrw> appmenu places quicklaunch(settings,term,chrome,claws) tasklist battery clock quitmenu
[16:19] <charlie-tca__> Keeps it tight
[16:19] <hrw> 4.6 had settings menu which I miss in 4.8
[16:19] <charlie-tca__> really?
[16:19] <hrw> no, sorry
[16:19] <charlie-tca__> It's there,
[16:19] <hrw> it was 'settings' item in appmenu
[16:20] <charlie-tca__> look in application finder for settings manager
[16:20] <hrw> I have settings icon in quicklaunch for it now
[16:20] <charlie-tca__> I think almost everything is in there, just in the wrong places.
[16:21] <charlie-tca__> Once we settle on the panel configuration, we will put things back in the menu, too
[16:21] <Sysi> hum, i could upgrade my testmachine
[16:22] <hrw> I need to get NM applet back
[16:22] <charlie-tca__> I don't know if upgrades are working yet. They upgraded python to 2.7 and it broke things
[16:22] <Sysi> hum.. the debian way?
[16:22] <hrw> Sysi: maverick->natty or natty testmachine?
[16:22] <Sysi> version upgrade
[16:23] <hrw> Sysi: first do update to maverick-updates
[16:23] <charlie-tca__> maverick to natty broke no matter how you did it
[16:23] <hrw> otherwise python will hit you
[16:23] <Sysi> well then i won't
[16:23] <hrw> charlie-tca__: I upgraded maverick -> natty today on one machine
[16:23] <charlie-tca__> Maybe they got that fixed then.
[16:23] <hrw> if you do maverick -> maverick-updates -> natty then it will work
[16:24] <hrw> otherwise you need to install 2 python packages from maverick-updates
[16:24] <Sysi> (how) do i need to configure repositories?
[16:24]  * hrw updates by apt-get/aptitude
[16:25] <charlie-tca__> run     update-manager -d     and it will take of it changing them
[16:25] <charlie-tca__> hrw: do you have network-manager-gnome installed? That should give the panel icon
[16:26] <hrw> hrw@efika:~$ DISPLAY=:0 nm-applet
[16:26] <hrw> ** (nm-applet:28113): WARNING **: <WARN>  request_name(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service. Error: (9) Connection ":1.76" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies in the configuration file
[16:27] <hrw> if I run as root it works
[16:27] <Sysi> i think i've seen solution for that on archwiki
[16:27] <hrw> uid=1001(hrw) gid=1003(hrw) grupy=1003(hrw),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),111(lpadmin),121(sambashare),1001(admin),1004(networkmanager)
[16:28] <Sysi> i like this fedora, but *buntu is betterly translated
[16:28] <Sysi> yum and apt are good in different things
[16:29] <charlie-tca__> hrw: add your user to "dialout" or "dip" , or both. I can't remember which one controls that
[16:30] <Sysi> how do i reset gnome keyring?
[16:30] <charlie-tca__> I have to let someone take that one, Sysi. I don't know
[16:31] <hrw> charlie-tca__: added to dip as I was in dialout alrady
[16:31] <hrw> charlie-tca__: it was dip
[16:31] <hrw> thx
[16:32] <hrw> maverick NM looked better ;(
[16:33]  * charlie-tca__ just can't make some people happy :-)
[16:33] <charlie-tca__> I know
[16:35] <charlie-tca__> Are you using the elementaryXubuntu icons?
[16:35] <Sysi> is that newer python on maveric-backports, what if i update that?
[16:35] <charlie-tca__> Maybe they changed which icon it gets
[16:35] <hrw> charlie-tca__: now elementary
[16:35] <charlie-tca__> Sysi: I don't know what that will do
[16:36] <Sysi> i could check..
[16:36] <charlie-tca__> should be able to run     sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[16:36] <charlie-tca__> then run     update-manager -d
[16:36] <charlie-tca__> to upgrade to natty
[16:37] <charlie-tca__> elementaryXubuntu has some changes to the icons, but I don't know if that was one of them
[16:37] <charlie-tca__> I have faenza running here, and it is very different
[16:37] <hrw> charlie-tca__: I meant menu
[16:37] <charlie-tca__> oh
[16:37] <charlie-tca__> Yeah, Xubuntu has not done anything to the menu in Natty yet
[16:38] <hrw> netbook with 22MB/s storage is pain
[16:39] <charlie-tca__> heh, I would think so
[16:39] <MorphixNW> not got an SDslot? I used to have an EEE with 4GB SSD, I added a 32GB SDHC Card :)
[16:40] <Sysi> SD cards are slow too
[16:40] <brot> depends on the class
[16:41] <hrw> MorphixNW: SD and microSD - both ~20MB/s
[16:41] <hrw> MorphixNW: it is i.mx515 arm cpu not x86(-64)
[16:42] <MorphixNW> htw: I really not sure on that one
[16:44] <MorphixNW> hrw: do you know how I can find out?
[16:44] <hrw> MorphixNW: ?
[16:45] <MorphixNW> hrw: ignore me I miss read your msg
[16:45] <hrw> ok
[16:45] <MorphixNW> sorry
[16:45] <hrw> np
[17:00] <Sysi> so do-release-upgrade uses python too, debian way could have worked if this doesn't
[17:03] <Sysi> quitted, i'll use it
[17:34] <charlie-tca__> Reminder - Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes; everyone invited; agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:35] <charlie-tca__> well, that's wrong. The meeting is in 1-1/2 hours at 19:00 UTC
[17:36] <charlie-tca__> \o/
[18:20] <Sysi> i wonder if do-release-upgrade does a lot spesific stuff compared to manually swapping repos and upgrading
[18:20] <TheSheep> Sysi: I always did the latter
[18:20] <charlie-tca> That's a very good question
[18:20] <Sysi> it's a python script, should be readable
[18:21] <Sysi> i've never done version upgrade before
[18:21]  * charlie-tca shrugs
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I do them almost monthly
[18:22] <Sysi> i don't need to test.. just want working system
[18:22] <charlie-tca> But I don't use do-release-upgrade, I use update-manager or change the sources.list manually
[18:23] <Sysi> Sysi believes in cli
[18:26] <MorphixNW> can anyone tell me, are there different versions of "Task Manager", as I have two machines setup, however, each have slight differences, the "task man" being the one that bugs me as one lacks the functions that the other has
[18:28] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: xubuntu switched from Gnome-task-manager to xfce4-task-monitor in 10.10
[18:28] <Sysi> MorphixNW: there is gnome-system-monitor xfce4-taskmanager and kde has own too
[18:29] <Sysi> do-release upgrade uses update-manager-core, dunno what it's doing
[18:29] <MorphixNW> I am running 10.10 on this machine I would like the task man that I have on 10.04, is that possible?
[18:30] <Sysi> install gnome-system-monitor
[18:30] <MorphixNW> will that auto control over the one I have now?
[18:31] <Sysi> how do you mean?
[18:31] <Sysi> it doesn't remove it
[18:31] <MorphixNW> will it replace the existing one?
[18:31] <MorphixNW> so I need to remove xfc4-taskmanager?
[18:32] <charlie-tca> remove xfce4-taskmanager and install gnome-system-monitor
[18:32] <Sysi> if you want rid of it
[18:32] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: thank you
[18:32] <MorphixNW> sysi: : thank you
[18:32] <charlie-tca> What is missing?
[18:32] <MorphixNW> the system tab
[18:33] <charlie-tca> it's included; if you are missing tasks, just go to preferences and check "show all processes"
[18:33] <MorphixNW> tried that charlie
[18:34] <MorphixNW> still doesnt show me the "system tab" that tab is good, as it show me system information
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Oh, that one
[18:34] <charlie-tca> sorry, I never used that tab
[18:35] <MorphixNW> but installing gnome-system-monitor and removing xfce4-task-manager has done the trick nicely :)
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Reminder - Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes; everyone invited; agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:35] <MorphixNW> I like it, as it shows the system info in a simular way that Bindows does "System Properties"
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I never used it in windows, either
[18:36] <MorphixNW> lol
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now, please
[19:50] <wizardslovak> hello
[19:50] <wizardslovak> people
[19:50] <wizardslovak> i got bluetooth on my laptop
[19:50] <wizardslovak> its on but i cant find app on it in xubuntu   anyone?
[19:51] <Sysi> blueman
[19:53] <wizardslovak> i love this ocmmunity
[19:53] <wizardslovak> thank you
[19:59] <wizardslovak> hmm
[19:59] <wizardslovak> ok got it connected
[20:10] <Arpad2> hello
[20:11] <Arpad2> video card in my pc is not on the list of this website: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia  , does it mean that I should find another model for my computer ?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> not if it does work. I don't have any listed there, but mine work good in Xubuntu
[20:12] <Arpad2> I dont have 3D support
[20:12] <charlie-tca> what card?
[20:12] <Arpad2> 7600 GT
[20:14] <Arpad2> there isnt even proprietry driver for this card
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That's nvidia, right?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> nouveau will have support next release
[20:15] <charlie-tca> nvidia current should work with it
[20:15] <Arpad2> current works without D
[20:15] <Arpad2> 3D
[20:16] <charlie-tca> wow! I didn't know that. current gives me 3d on my 6200
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Yup, time for a new one, then, if you want 3d
[20:17] <Arpad2> ok, I dont know th ereason why..
[20:17] <charlie-tca> because nvidia doesn't always make things work for us ?
[20:18] <Arpad2> the other big company is more linux friendly?
[20:18] <Arpad2> ATI ?
[20:18] <Sysi> definitely not
[20:18] <charlie-tca> not
[20:19] <charlie-tca> but you can get 3d without hardware drivers in ATI
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Does it give you any errors when trying to run 3d?
[20:19] <Sysi> 4xxx works great with opendrivers, 5 series can be real pain
[20:19] <Arpad2> only when I tried to run xscreensaver
[20:20] <Arpad2> but now I removed that program
[20:20] <Arpad2> so no screensaver on a new LED monitor  :'(
[20:20] <charlie-tca> You didn't install gnome-screensaver?
[20:21] <Arpad2> in fact I dont know where it is
[20:22] <wizardslovak> where can i set up microphones  on xubuntu?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install gnome-screensaver
[20:22] <Arpad2> software centre says it is installed
[20:22] <charlie-tca> version?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> You are on 10.10, right?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Applications -> settings -> screensaver, I think
[20:23] <Arpad2> or how to start from terminal
[20:23] <Arpad2> I cant find it in any menu
[20:23] <Arpad2> thenm some games doesnt work, likes Scorched3D or Open Arena
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I see.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Without 3d, they won't
[20:23] <Arpad2> nor the program Celestia
[20:23] <charlie-tca> wizardslovak: did you turn it on in mixer?
[20:23] <Arpad2> they all worked with intel
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Intel is pretty good
[20:24] <Arpad2> now only the flash videos resolution seems better
[20:24] <wizardslovak> well i got bluetooth connected to blueman
[20:24] <wizardslovak> it works
[20:24] <wizardslovak> but i cant connect it to gmail
[20:25] <Suboptimal> what do i gain by using the loop option in (mount -o loop), when mounting an iso?
[20:26] <gr8m8> you gain the ability to view what's in the iso mostly
[20:27] <Suboptimal> gr8m8: if i go to the mountpoint
[20:27] <Suboptimal> without that command
[20:27] <Suboptimal> what happens?
[20:29] <gr8m8> I have never tried to mount an iso without the -o loop option
[20:29] <Suboptimal> k
[20:30] <gr8m8> I think mount would error out but that is a guess
[20:30] <charlie-tca> wizardslovak: what email client are you using?
[20:31] <wizardslovak> gmail
[20:31] <charlie-tca> are you using firefox to get to gmail?
[20:31] <wizardslovak> yes
[20:31] <charlie-tca> and other websites are working?
[20:32] <wizardslovak> no
[20:32] <wizardslovak> i just installed pulseaudio chooser and bluetooth support
[20:32] <charlie-tca> so, that is not a gmail issue, it is a connect to the internet issue instead. Maybe that bluetooth is not working right?
[20:33] <wizardslovak> it is
[20:33] <wizardslovak> i use it with ps3
[20:34] <wizardslovak> hmm
[20:34] <wizardslovak> i dont even see it in mixer
[20:34] <charlie-tca> don't see???
[20:35] <wizardslovak> no
[20:35] <wizardslovak> no sech an option
[20:35] <charlie-tca> what?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> bluetooth, pulseaudio, what?
[20:35] <wizardslovak> none of them
[20:35] <charlie-tca> left click the speaker in the panel, click on select controls and turn them on
[20:36] <charlie-tca> then switch to pulse audio above those controls, after you make sure none are muted
[20:37] <charlie-tca> turn on master for pulse audio
[20:37] <wizardslovak> wait
[20:37] <wizardslovak> i clicken right on icon
[20:37] <wizardslovak> it opened mizer plugin
[20:37] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:37] <wizardslovak> "sound card , mixer track and left click command"
[20:38] <charlie-tca> there is a tab at the bottom, "select control"
[20:38] <wizardslovak> yes
[20:38] <charlie-tca> click that
[20:38] <wizardslovak> yeap
[20:38] <wizardslovak> then master
[20:38] <wizardslovak> and its not mute
[20:38] <charlie-tca> there are many controls in there. Check the ones you need, at least Master, PCM, CD
[20:39] <charlie-tca> mic
[20:39] <wizardslovak> no mic tho
[20:39] <charlie-tca> This is where you have to tell the sound card what you are using
[20:39] <wizardslovak> master pcm iec958 iec958 default pcm capture mux
[20:39] <charlie-tca> no microphone ?
[20:40] <wizardslovak> those are controls i can select
[20:40] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:40] <charlie-tca> so turn on master and pcm
[20:40] <wizardslovak> ok done
[20:40] <wizardslovak> all of them high
[20:40] <wizardslovak> none of them muted
[20:41] <charlie-tca> now above that, where it says alsa mixer, click it and select the pulse audio entry
[20:42] <charlie-tca> playback   ...... (pulse audio)
[20:42] <wizardslovak> ok
[20:42] <wizardslovak> added master
[20:42] <wizardslovak> not muted
[20:46] <wizardslovak> still nothing
[20:51] <charlie-tca> now close it
[20:51] <charlie-tca> right click the mixer, select properties
[20:51] <wizardslovak> which mixer?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> in the top panel, the speaker thing
[20:52] <wizardslovak> got it
[20:52] <charlie-tca> select playback...(pulse audio) in the top entry
[20:52] <wizardslovak> got it
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Mixer track, Master
[20:52] <wizardslovak> done
[20:53] <charlie-tca> close
[20:53] <wizardslovak> done
[20:53] <charlie-tca> now you can control the volume with that
[20:53] <wizardslovak> ok
[20:53] <charlie-tca> usually by scrolling the center button of the mouse
[20:53] <wizardslovak> yea
[20:53] <wizardslovak> i got dell laptop
[20:53] <wizardslovak> there are buttons and it workd
[20:54] <wizardslovak> but still no sound from headset
[20:54] <charlie-tca> good
[20:55] <charlie-tca> headset has to be turned on someplace else,
[20:56] <wizardslovak> it is
[20:56] <wizardslovak> in blueman
[20:56] <wizardslovak> connection was succesful
[20:56] <wizardslovak> + test
[20:56] <wizardslovak> i can hear it in headset
[20:57] <wizardslovak> i got google plugin fo ubuntu
[20:57] <wizardslovak> its just system doesnt see it
[21:02] <wizardslovak> lsusb  command shovs bluetooth
[21:04] <charlie-tca> hm, best I have on it is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothAudio
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I really do not know how to make the headset work, though.
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Perhaps ask again to see if someone can help further.
[21:04] <wizardslovak> hmm
[21:05] <wizardslovak> hcitool scan doesnt show anything
[21:08] <wizardslovak> hmm
[21:08] <wizardslovak> when i am trying to restart
[21:08] <wizardslovak> bluetooth
[21:09] <wizardslovak> i am getting error
[21:09] <wizardslovak> "bluez daemon is not running blueman manager cannot continue"
[21:16] <Sysi> succesfull update to natty \o/
[21:18] <charlie-tca> yay, Sysi
[21:19] <bittin> i will wait for stable natty :p
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Anyone know how to make bluetooth work
[21:21] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:21] <wizardslovak> ehhh
[21:21] <wizardslovak> now i cannot even start bluetooth nomore
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Error starting - bluez daemon is not running blueman manager cannot continue
[21:21] <wizardslovak> same
[21:21] <wizardslovak> here
[21:21] <wizardslovak> same error
[21:21] <charlie-tca> That's for you
[21:21] <Sysi> run the daemon
[21:22] <wizardslovak> i tried start and stop commands but nothing
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Got to explain it for us, please
[21:22] <wizardslovak> ok i am trying to make bluetooth headset to work with gmail
[21:22] <wizardslovak> so i can call from computer
[21:23] <wizardslovak> but i cant connect bluetooth
[21:23] <wizardslovak> i was connected
[21:23] <wizardslovak> but now i cannot even turn bluetooth on
[21:23] <wizardslovak> i have blueman installed but it doesnt work
[21:23] <Sysi> alt + f2 and type bluez
[21:24] <wizardslovak> "Failed to execute child process "bluez" (No such file or directory)"
[21:29] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[21:31] <wizardslovak> great
[21:31] <wizardslovak> now i nothing cant even find bluetooth device
[21:31] <TheSheep> even lsusb?
[21:31] <wizardslovak> no
[21:32] <wizardslovak> last time it was there
[21:32] <wizardslovak> nomore
[21:32] <TheSheep> is it built in?
[21:32] <wizardslovak> yes
[21:32] <wizardslovak> dell laptop
[21:32] <TheSheep> some laptops have a key combination to turn it on and off
[21:32] <wizardslovak> not dell
[21:32] <TheSheep> on mine it's fn+f10
[21:32] <TheSheep> its not marked
[21:33] <TheSheep> try it and see if lsusb shows it
[21:33] <TheSheep> or lshw
[21:33] <TheSheep> also, check dmesg for errors
[21:34] <wizardslovak>    23.635951] Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6
[21:34] <wizardslovak> [   23.635954] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
[21:34] <wizardslovak> [   23.931622] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
[21:34] <wizardslovak> [   23.931627] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
[21:34] <wizardslovak> [   23.931629] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11
[21:34] <wizardslovak> thats what i found in dmesg
[21:38] <wizardslovak> maybe some driver or something is missing
[21:39] <wizardslovak> ill check it in bios
[21:39] <wizardslovak> maybe there is off
[21:46] <wizardslovak> ok got bluetooth working and headset paired
[21:46] <wizardslovak> but still no voice
[21:52] <wizardslovak> ok
[21:52] <wizardslovak> in pulseaudio manager under devices i see my bluetooth
[21:54] <charlie-tca> We just had a netsplit, only got 26 people left
[21:57] <gr8m8> it halved the channel
[21:57] <wizardslovak> i am still here
[21:57] <charlie-tca> yes, but the people with knowledge went
[21:59] <charlie-tca> TheSheep just came back, he doesn't know you can see the bluetooth again
[21:59] <TheSheep> but I do!
[22:01] <TheSheep> I was saying that you might try pavucontrol and/or padevchooser
[22:01] <wizardslovak> no
[22:01] <wizardslovak> it works
[22:01] <wizardslovak> i just had to uninstalled blueman
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Is the sound all working for the headset now?
[22:02] <wizardslovak> and install bluetooth configs
[22:02] <wizardslovak> yea its working now
[22:02] <wizardslovak> hmm
[22:02] <wizardslovak> wonder why it didnt work before
[22:05] <wizardslovak> thank you for help
[22:05] <wizardslovak> ;)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:12] <wizardslovak> hihh
[22:12] <wizardslovak> btw gr8m8 i installed arch linux ;)
[22:14] <TheSheep> arch is rather fine
[22:14] <TheSheep> except for python3 as default
[22:15] <wizardslovak> well we spoke about it yesterday a little bit so i wanted to try it
[22:15] <wizardslovak> i still will use US for server os
[22:15] <TheSheep> I think the xfce guys use it
[22:15] <TheSheep> or something similar
[22:15] <wizardslovak> i got xfce with it , lokk cool but still couldnt make it boot into gui
[22:23] <wizardslovak> is anyone using xubuntu as server?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:24]  * charlie-tca does a lot of things, though
[22:26] <wizardslovak> ;)
[22:27] <wizardslovak> how long u been using it as server , ans what kind of server stuff are you running?
[22:27] <wizardslovak> btw
[22:28] <wizardslovak> any good command to check status of hard disks?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> file, print, firewall, ssh
[22:29] <wizardslovak> nicee
[22:29] <wizardslovak> i am interested in web and file
[22:29] <charlie-tca> I can't remember how long
[22:29] <wizardslovak> no crashes right?
[22:29] <wizardslovak> stable
[22:29] <charlie-tca> stable, but harder to do some stuff than server edition is
[22:30] <wizardslovak> well u could install xfce desktop in server edition
[22:30] <charlie-tca> true
[22:30] <wizardslovak> i used to have kde on it
[22:31] <wizardslovak> i ended up using terminal after all
[22:31] <gr8m8> wizardslovak: in a vm? well done :)
[22:32] <wizardslovak> gr8m8,  i used that wiki
[22:32] <wizardslovak> gr8m8, still cannot make it to boot to gui
[22:32] <wizardslovak> i have to boot to terminal then manually start it
[22:33] <gr8m8> I put a line in .bash_profile so when I log in it starts the desktop
[22:33] <gr8m8> that's on the wiki
[22:34] <wizardslovak> probably missed it somewhere
[22:35] <gr8m8> it's in a link iirc
[22:36] <wizardslovak> ;)
[22:36] <wizardslovak> thank you