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rbnswartzDBO got a minute?01:02
DBOya01:02
rbnswartzokay I think I have a fix but I want to test it on my own. How would I go about that?01:03
DBOrbnswartz, you need to build it :)01:04
DBOlemme see if I cant find a walkthrough on that01:04
rbnswartzwould I just use cmake on a natty system.01:05
DBOyes01:05
DBOyou probably need to get nux01:05
DBOhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource01:05
DBOsome hints can be foudn there01:06
rbnswartzDuh I should have checked there first01:06
rbnswartzOkay that pretty much answers my question01:07
rbnswartzDBO This will only work on a natty system correct.01:09
DBOya01:09
rbnswartzOkay also how do I commit it after I fix it?01:09
DBOdid you check out from bzr?01:09
rbnswartzI have bzr installed (and loving it).01:10
rbnswartzI did not check it out01:10
rbnswartzwhat command would I use?01:10
DBOto check out unity you do01:10
DBObzr branch lp:unity01:10
DBOthen you modify the code in checks out01:10
DBOthen to commit you01:11
rbnswartzI used bzr to get the code.01:11
DBObzr commit -m "describe what you did"01:11
DBObzr push lp:~LAUNCHPAD_ID/unity/unity.BRANCH_NAME01:11
DBOreplace the obvious bits01:11
rbnswartzWhat obvious bit? :)01:12
rbnswartzThanks for your help01:12
DBOinstead of "describe what you did" something like "fixed bug blah blah blah"01:13
DBOLAUNCHPAD_ID == your launchpad id01:13
rbnswartzYeah I got that. hence the smily01:13
DBOoh :)01:13
DBOsorry01:13
DBOyou got me :P01:13
rbnswartzdo you push or commit first01:14
rbnswartzDBO? ^^01:16
DBOcommit01:16
DBOthen push01:16
DBOcommit == save this01:16
DBOpush == now put it on the server01:16
rbnswartzthen that will show up as a branch in unity correct?01:16
DBOrbnswartz, correct01:18
rbnswartzthanks for your time I have to go. Happy coding.01:18
* spikeb_ just got his copy of "engineering usability" in the mail01:19
spikeb_er, i got the title words backwards. it is usability engineering01:19
nnnajispikeb_: hi01:21
spikeb_hi nnnaji01:21
nnnaji;)01:22
nnnajispikeb_ , you've seen how that bug turned out, right?01:22
nnnajidid you poke in the code?01:22
spikeb_no, not a coder, so i tend to stay away from it01:23
nnnajisame here, but its only a string in a label in a title in a ...01:23
spikeb_haha01:23
nnnajihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/68881101:24
ubot5Ubuntu bug 688811 in synaptic "progress window duplicates title" [Low,Confirmed]01:24
nnnajii got as far as changing the string :P01:24
nnnajihttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/60720091/Screenshot.png01:24
spikeb_i did see that :)01:24
nnnajispikeb_ : now i'm trying my luck with some (easier) python code ...01:25
nnnajiupdate-manager has the same problem..01:25
* spikeb_ nods01:25
nnnajibut i'm running into FTBFS01:25
spikeb_oh nice01:25
nnnajiwell.. i guess i'm on my own for now..01:25
spikeb_good luck!01:26
nnnajithanks ;)01:26
nnnajiyour luck helped :D01:27
spikeb_great!01:29
nnnajispikeb_ what do you think.. can Me Menu's Presence settings control notify OSD's behaviour?01:38
spikeb_so that if you're set to away, it doesn't bother you?01:38
nnnajior should one just have a seperate toggle for "Do Not Disturb" aka "Silent Mode" in the Session Menu?01:38
nnnajiyeah, something like that01:38
nnnajii was thinking of "Busy" aka "Not Avaiable" as the law01:39
spikeb_nnnaji, offhand, i would say that we should have a seperate setting for silent mode.01:39
nnnajiok01:39
spikeb_too many use cases where the user wants to appear away or busy, but wants to know what is happening.01:39
nnnajiok.. valid point01:40
nnnajiwhere should it be?01:41
nnnajiin the session menu?01:41
spikeb_hmm01:41
spikeb_that is a good question.01:41
nnnajiwhere else ? :D01:41
spikeb_i have no idea01:42
nnnajiwell thanks a lot for your thoughts, you helped me see it from another perspective01:43
spikeb_you're welcome. i'm going to think some more and post on the mailing list if i get any ideas01:43
nnnajithat would be cool, since this thing needs be handled now, even sabdfl is pressing now01:43
nnnajihaaah01:44
spikeb_ok, quick survey of some people says your idea of putting it in the session menu is probably a good one01:48
spikeb_might want to run the idea past the folsk on the mailing list though01:48
spikeb_folks, not folsk01:49
nnnajiok.. i guess that makes sense, too01:49
nnnajii'll do some more thinking myself, before i write up more nonesense :D01:49
spikeb_sounds good :)01:50
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r2wjanybody awake05:30
spikebany of you read jakob nielson's "usability engineering" ?06:00
spikebmy brain is fried after three chapters!06:00
jhuinspikeb, good or bad fried? :P06:11
spikebgood - it is busy processing all the information i just read06:11
spikebthe author manages to pack information into every nook and cranny of the book.06:11
kvalomorning07:02
spikebmorning07:04
kvalohi spikeb07:14
spikebhi kvalo07:14
evaluateis there any function I could call to show the application indicator's menu? (in C)08:15
theone_hello ppl, I am a newbie, interestd in contributing to unity code. I have installed natty daily uild, bzr and have got the the code by it. Now what to proceed further?09:19
seb128hey theone_09:20
seb128did you read http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/?09:20
seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity09:20
seb128as well09:20
seb128if not start by reading those09:20
seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Bitesize as well09:20
theone_seb128, yes I have read and followed through all its steps09:21
seb128do you have specific questions?09:21
seb128or you can start trying to fix one of the bugs?09:22
theone_seb128 :  ya, I have never worked on a collaborative open source project using a VCS. so, how can I start working with the buglist. I mean, how it can be compiled and tested on the system?09:23
seb128http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/ has those steps09:24
seb128well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource09:25
seb128but if you just work on unity it's easier09:25
seb128we probably need to clean a bit the instructions on this one09:25
seb128see the Unity set on this page?09:25
seb128if you only want to build it drop "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/unity"09:25
theone_seb128, ok. i will try it now. thanks09:28
seb128just ask there if you have issues09:29
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mdeslaurronoc: since I updated this morning, rhythmbox isn't being displayed in the indicator-sound menu anymore. Any ideas?13:57
ronocmdeslaur, natty ?13:58
mdeslaurronoc: yes13:59
ronocversion 0.5.3 ?13:59
mdeslaurronoc: yes13:59
ronocmdeslaur, we are using a completely different mechanism for menu registration now. It is done exclusively with mpris, the last time I checked rhythmbox does not implement the root mpris spec correctly ( I have mailed Jonathon about this). The Desktopentry prop on the root interface should contain the name of the desktopfile minus the .desktop suffix. Rhythmbox exposes the full path to the file14:02
ronocand as a result my service ignores it14:03
ronocbanshee should work fine14:03
ronocbig release yesterday so a few clients i suspect will break14:03
mdeslaurronoc: ok, thanks14:04
ronocmdeslaur, np14:04
mdeslaurronoc: so I should re-file by bug against rhythmbox then I guess14:04
mdeslaurronoc: fyi, bug 69155614:07
ubot5Launchpad bug 691556 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "[natty] rhythmbox doesn't appear in indicator-sound menu anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69155614:07
ronocmdeslaur, okay thx14:09
kenvandineronoc, indicator-sound SRU uploaded15:24
ronocthanks kenvandine15:24
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evaluatehello15:34
nnnajihi15:34
evaluateI have an application in C that uses the indicator. I have to refresh the menu of the indicator periodically, but I don't want it to refresh when the menu is open (as in visible), because this looks ugly (the menu closes and opens automatically on refresh). Is there a way to tell if the menu is open?15:35
evaluateI tried gtk_widget_get_visible() but this doesn't seem to work...15:36
nnnajii guess i won't get far past "hi" in this conversation :P15:37
evaluatennnaji, :-)15:37
nnnajievaluate_ : you mean AppIndicator, right?15:38
evaluatealso, I looked up the indicator C API, but I can't see a signal that gets fired when the menu is opened...15:38
evaluatennnaji, yup15:38
nnnajiyeah, they're not so well documented..15:38
evaluatennnaji, that's why I'm here. I was hoping that someone had an idea of how I could do this...15:39
nnnajievaluate_ : in webdesign, i would have worked with OnMouseEvent event handlers15:40
nnnajibut here.. !?!?15:40
nnnajiperhaps you can grab a hover for the area of an open menu somehow in gtk?15:41
evaluatennnaji, I'm not sure what you mean, but I wouldn't want to use ugly "hacks" to accomplish this. IMHO this should be supported by the AppIndicator (I mean somehow getting the visible/hidden property of the menu)...15:43
nnnajitrue.15:43
nnnajihave you tried ayatana-dev mailinglist?15:43
evaluatennnaji, no, I hoped to find help here...15:44
nnnajievaluate, ok, i'll keep out of it! ;)15:46
evaluatennnaji, thing is, I curretly have a function that gets executed every half second. It would be most convenient for me to use that one and just skip the refresh when the menu is visible.15:46
nnnajievaluate, curious, is this top secret or may i ask what you are working on?15:47
evaluateIf I wouldn't use that one, I would have to insert the menu refreshing function into every function after which a menu refresh is needed, which is a lot more work for me15:47
evaluatennnaji, I am working on a clipboard manager, it's name is clipit (sf.net/projects/gtkclipit)15:47
kvalonjpatel_: hi. do you have indent command line switches for unity coding style?15:48
nnnajievaluate, thanks, i use another clipboard manager at the moment, i wish you well with your project, clipboard managers have potential, if well designed15:49
evaluatennnaji, thank you! may I ask what you use atm?15:50
njpatel_kvalo, the C style?15:51
njpatel_kvalo, I had them somewhere....15:51
njpatel_will have to look them up15:51
kvalonjpatel_: no rush, I can ask you later15:52
nnnajievaluate, i use pastie, it's feature rich and i don't exactly enjoy the UI15:54
evaluatennnaji, ohh, don't know that one yet.15:55
evaluatennnaji, hmm, it actually has less features then clipit as far as I can see...15:58
nnnajithen it isn't feature rich but chaotic15:58
evaluatennnaji, lol :p15:58
evaluatennnaji, if you like pastie, you should check out clipit if you have the time...16:00
nnnajievaluate, of course i will, i love clipboard managers! i often have more than 2 links i want to paste into an email without switching windows repeatedly, but without a good clipboard manager, that is a horrible task to achieve16:01
nnnajievaluate, do you include options in the edit portion of the context menu, e.g. 2 or more Paste items?16:02
evaluatennnaji, sorry, but I don't understand what you mean...16:03
evaluatennnaji, you mean if the number of items shown in the menu is editable?16:04
nnnajievaluate, i mean in the context menu you have nothing but "copy", "cut" and "paste" and perhaps "delete"16:06
nnnajiperhaps you have multiple "paste" items with gtkclipit installed?16:06
nnnajior even a "paste" submenu16:06
nnnajior a "clipit" submenu16:07
evaluatennnaji, ohh, clipit doesn't interfere with the context menu yet, but that is a good idea indeed... :-)16:07
evaluatennnaji, currently I was struggling to make it cooperate nicely with the AppIndicator...16:09
nnnajievaluate, looking forward to Clipit AppIndicator!!16:12
nnnajievaluate, have you considered moving to launchpad.net ?16:13
evaluatennnaji, I'm ok with sourceforge for now... I have a PPA on launchpad though...16:14
nnnajiahaaaa... i'll check it out16:14
evaluateif you use the current PPA I have to inform you that currently the indicator menu doesn't refresh itself when you copy new items or change the history, so you will have to use the "small history" menu (there's a hotkey for that) if you want an up-to-date list16:15
nnnajievaluate, i checked the ppa and did apt-get update, but i notice you have no natty packages, stimmts?16:17
nnnaji;)16:17
evaluatekann sein16:19
evaluateI will look into that tomorrow :-)16:20
nnnaji:D - i'll be checking it out16:20
evaluateI didn't think there were people actually using a alpha, thought I'd have some more time until people switched. Appearently i was wrong :p16:21
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nnnajievaluate, many people love ubuntu alphas!!!16:31
evaluateI need a stable system for work, so I'm just checking them out in virtual boxes :-)16:35
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jcastroevaluate: ask on ayatana-dev, ted is on holiday for the rest of the year so you'll likely not catch him on irc16:55
evaluatejcastro, ok. I have to go now, but I'll be bcak in a couple of hours and try my luck on ayatana-dev. thank you!16:57
jcastrono worries, good luck!16:57
rbnswartzDBO you around?17:09
DBOrbnswartz, yeah17:10
rbnswartzOkay I installed natty on my thumb drive to test my fix but the downloads that I was instructed to get to compile the source totalled to nearly 500MB is this all neaded?17:11
rbnswartzsorry needed17:11
DBOyou are on a limited connection rbnswartz?17:13
rbnswartzoccasional wifi but I can camp out at friends homes.17:14
rbnswartzbut yes until monday I am on limited internet17:16
rbnswartzDBO ^^17:21
DBOunfortuantely coding kinda requires a good connection these days :/17:21
rbnswartzYeah usuall every morning I have net connection.17:22
rbnswartzIs all 400mb required17:22
rbnswartzSo long DBO I have to leave17:25
DBOcheers :)17:25
ian__I'd like to congratulate the Unity team on all the prgress they've made since the switch to compiz. Awesome job. I do have a question about the launcher and its autohide, though.17:35
lamalexian__, what's the question17:40
boulabiarhow to disable mt gestures in unity ?17:42
dbarthjcastro: hey jorge, have you heard of someone being interested in helping with the compiz bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/68419317:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 684193 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_source_unref()" [High,Confirmed]17:47
dbarthjcastro: actually i realize that it's not linked to a unity bug, so the bitesize tag went unnoticed17:48
jcastrodbarth: it's ok, I'm about to start including compiz and indicators in the bitesize bits17:48
jcastroI can blog it now though, get it some pre-weekend attention17:49
dbarthi've linked it to unity anyway17:49
dbarthso now it shows up as well17:49
jcastrooh cool!17:49
dbarthi'd love to get more help on compiz17:49
dbarthsam is just struggling with a huge pile of bugs17:49
jcastroah ok17:49
jcastroI am lunching now, I'll put together a call for help17:49
jcastroother than bitesizes what else does he need?17:49
jcastrohe sent me a list earlier, I will include that as well17:50
r2wjHello18:07
r2wjCan somebody comment on a ticket I opened please18:07
r2wjhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/68946818:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 689468 in unity (Ubuntu) "[Ayatana] Ubuntu Menu Icon has No Shadow, Doesn't Render Quite Properly" [Undecided,New]18:07
r2wjJust looking for some discussion about this18:07
lamalexcyphermox, is nm's appindicator going to get signal strength/security icons in the indicator menu?18:38
cyphermoxlamalex, I would like to :)18:43
cyphermoxappindicator doesn't seem to support that yet18:44
lamalexcyphermox, where is your branch for nm appindicator?18:44
lamalexI think it's supposed to snow this weekend so I might have some free time18:44
cyphermoxahaha18:45
cyphermoxthen you can ping me this weekend and maybe we can coordinate some work there :)18:45
cyphermoxI was using a different branch for the initial stuff, but now it's a just a patch over the actual nm-applet packaging branch: lp:~network-manager/network-manager-applet/ubuntu.head18:46
lamalexcyphermox, the messaging indicator has those little circles with the counts in them18:49
cyphermoxlamalex, in the patch I'm just bypassing code for building an NMNetworkMenuItem (or whatever it's called) and adding it to the menu, adding a standard GtkMenuItem instead18:50
cyphermoxlamalex, yeah18:50
cyphermoxlamalex, I also thought about doing something like this for signal strength numbers, but I really with it could be as close a possible as the standard non-indicator nm-applet rather than changing how it looks too much at the same time18:51
lamalexnjpatel, know anything about this?18:55
lamalexhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/68744518:55
ubot5Ubuntu bug 687445 in unity (Ubuntu) "The strange white lines appeared on the top of screen" [Undecided,New]18:55
njpatellamalex, haven't seen that before19:22
lamalexpretty od19:22
lamalexd19:22
AmaranthDBO: Is nux-tools supposed to contain something useful?20:08
DBOno idea20:09
AmaranthAll it has is /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test20:09
Amaranthwhich nicely segfaults for me20:09
evaluatehello again20:15
evaluateI have sent a mail to ayatana-dev@lists.launchpad.net  (but I can't see it in the mailing list, nor did I receive any reply that the message was received successfully). Anyway, I just wanted to say that I only saw that last message from the list after I have sent the mail20:17
evaluateso if the mail actually belongs on the ayatana list, rather than the ayatana-dev list, I would like to ask someone to please move it there20:18
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Amarantheep, seems the last release of unity for the year is going to be a rather annoying one :/21:48
Amaranthmenus only appear when I put my mouse on the panel :(21:49
jamaltaAmaranth: i was seeing that issue.. what happens when you click on some blank space in the desktop?21:49
Amaranthand someone disabled fade so menus are crazy flickery now too21:49
jamaltamind you, unity is completely screwed for me at the moment :)21:49
Amaranthjamalta: I get no app name and menus still appear on hover21:49
jamaltais this the last work day of the year for canonical?21:50
jamaltas/this/today21:50
Amaranthjamalta: I dunno what the Canonical folks in general are going but I know it was seb128's last day for the year and he kept saying it was the last unity upload for the year21:51
Amaranths/going/doing/21:51
jamaltaahh21:51
jamaltawell, i'm trying to test to see if i experience your issue too.. just need to do an update21:52
jamaltaooh, grub's all purple now :)21:52
* Amaranth tries to think21:52
AmaranthI think njpatel does the panel21:52
jamaltawell, if seb128's last deploy is today then there won't be much we can do, unfortunately :)21:52
AmaranthYeah, I only have compiz upload rights so I can't sneak any unity fixes in21:53
jamaltaAmaranth: but you can push a merge proposal and ask someone like DBO to do so ;)21:53
seb128njpatel will be around next week I think21:53
seb128chrisccoulson and kenvandine as well21:53
kenvandinenjpatel won't be21:54
jamaltawell compiz is loading for me now!21:54
jamaltabut unity isn't21:54
seb128kenvandine, ok21:56
seb128jamalta, the unity session doesn't start?21:56
jamaltaAmaranth: ah ignore my rambling, i forgot i was using the daily ppa21:56
seb128is that natty?21:56
jamaltaseb128: ignore me, i'm running the daily21:56
seb128ok21:56
seb128natty has just been updated you can switch back to that21:56
jamaltathe error doesn't seem to occur in trunk so it must've been fixed already21:56
kenvandinebrb, session restart21:57
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nmarquesanyone know if nux builds with libpng14 ?22:09
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toroshi22:34
torosI've just filled a bugreport on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/69174122:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 691741 in Unity "Duplicated window title bars with Unity 3.2.8 and Chromium" [Undecided,New]22:35
torosdo you need any further information regarding to this bug?22:35
tarethhmm chromium maximizes just fine for me right now22:40
tarethmight be because I haven't upgraded at all today though22:40
Amaranthtoros: thunderbird is going it too :/22:41
Amaranthbut oddly not firefox, perhaps it's because I have libnotify-mozilla in thunderbird22:41
torostareth: only unity 3.2.8 is affected, 3.2.6 isn't22:42
Amaranthoh actually chromium is just maximizing into the panel, I don't get duplicated titlebars22:42
tarethtoros, I'm using the latest revision from source, so I'm already at 3.2.822:43
Amaranthmaybe it's because of autohide22:43
Amaranthnope, even with autohide it doesn't happen to me22:43
Amaranthalthough autohide makes the combined panel/decoration look ugly22:44
Amaranthok, I get it with thunderbird even without libnotify-mozilla22:45
torosAmaranth: to reproduce the bug "use system title bar and borders" option in chromium should be turned on, and you should start chromium maximized22:45
Amaranthyeah, did that22:45
Amaranthoh, start maximized, hmm22:45
torosso opening a new window, or just maximizing it doesn't trigger the bug22:45
Amaranthyep, starting maximized does it22:46
Amaranthconfirming bug22:46
tarethyeah I'm dumb, must've skimmed over that bit in the bug report.22:46
Amaranthtoros: It's _every_ application22:47
AmaranthStart maximized == broken22:47
torosAmaranth: I'll check it22:47
Amaranththunderbird is just extra broken, it doesn't work right even when not started maximized22:48
AmaranthI just confirmed nautilus, gedit, firefox, thunderbird, and chromium do it22:49
torosyepp, I've just reproduced it with gedit... altough the behaviour is a little bit different... because unmaximizing gedit, and then maximizing it again solves the issue22:49
tarethand system monitor. I think a more interesting question would be: can we find an application where this _doesn't_ happen?22:50
torosbut not with chromium22:50
torosin chromium, I have to open a new window22:50
torosso there is a little difference in chromium and all the other apps22:50
Amaranthtareth: Well, we've just covered GTK+ apps, XUL apps, and custom/GTK+ apps22:51
Amaranththey all do things a little differently with the bug but have that same base problem22:51
toroswell, I think I am going to sleep23:10
torosthank you guys for investigating this bug23:10
torosgood night23:10
coz_hey guys... just noticed  that  the close,min,max buttons are now on the  upper panel..and no window decos...is this expected?23:18
coz_also notice that going to classic gnome there are no File Edit View  menus on the applications23:19
lamalexcoz_, they /should/ be in the panel23:24
lamalexthough honestly I'm not sure as I haven't used23:24
coz_lamalex,  yeah but they dont appear on classic gnome23:24
coz_I'll test again later,,, someone is trying to convince me to go to debian :)23:25

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