[01:02] <rbnswartz> DBO got a minute?
[01:02] <DBO> ya
[01:03] <rbnswartz> okay I think I have a fix but I want to test it on my own. How would I go about that?
[01:04] <DBO> rbnswartz, you need to build it :)
[01:04] <DBO> lemme see if I cant find a walkthrough on that
[01:05] <rbnswartz> would I just use cmake on a natty system.
[01:05] <DBO> yes
[01:05] <DBO> you probably need to get nux
[01:05] <DBO> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource
[01:06] <DBO> some hints can be foudn there
[01:06] <rbnswartz> Duh I should have checked there first
[01:07] <rbnswartz> Okay that pretty much answers my question
[01:09] <rbnswartz> DBO This will only work on a natty system correct.
[01:09] <DBO> ya
[01:09] <rbnswartz> Okay also how do I commit it after I fix it?
[01:09] <DBO> did you check out from bzr?
[01:10] <rbnswartz> I have bzr installed (and loving it).
[01:10] <rbnswartz> I did not check it out
[01:10] <rbnswartz> what command would I use?
[01:10] <DBO> to check out unity you do
[01:10] <DBO> bzr branch lp:unity
[01:10] <DBO> then you modify the code in checks out
[01:11] <DBO> then to commit you
[01:11] <rbnswartz> I used bzr to get the code.
[01:11] <DBO> bzr commit -m "describe what you did"
[01:11] <DBO> bzr push lp:~LAUNCHPAD_ID/unity/unity.BRANCH_NAME
[01:11] <DBO> replace the obvious bits
[01:12] <rbnswartz> What obvious bit? :)
[01:12] <rbnswartz> Thanks for your help
[01:13] <DBO> instead of "describe what you did" something like "fixed bug blah blah blah"
[01:13] <DBO> LAUNCHPAD_ID == your launchpad id
[01:13] <rbnswartz> Yeah I got that. hence the smily
[01:13] <DBO> oh :)
[01:13] <DBO> sorry
[01:13] <DBO> you got me :P
[01:14] <rbnswartz> do you push or commit first
[01:16] <rbnswartz> DBO? ^^
[01:16] <DBO> commit
[01:16] <DBO> then push
[01:16] <DBO> commit == save this
[01:16] <DBO> push == now put it on the server
[01:16] <rbnswartz> then that will show up as a branch in unity correct?
[01:18] <DBO> rbnswartz, correct
[01:18] <rbnswartz> thanks for your time I have to go. Happy coding.
[01:19]  * spikeb_ just got his copy of "engineering usability" in the mail
[01:19] <spikeb_> er, i got the title words backwards. it is usability engineering
[01:21] <nnnaji> spikeb_: hi
[01:21] <spikeb_> hi nnnaji
[01:22] <nnnaji> ;)
[01:22] <nnnaji> spikeb_ , you've seen how that bug turned out, right?
[01:22] <nnnaji> did you poke in the code?
[01:23] <spikeb_> no, not a coder, so i tend to stay away from it
[01:23] <nnnaji> same here, but its only a string in a label in a title in a ...
[01:23] <spikeb_> haha
[01:24] <nnnaji> https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/688811
[01:24] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 688811 in synaptic "progress window duplicates title" [Low,Confirmed]
[01:24] <nnnaji> i got as far as changing the string :P
[01:24] <nnnaji> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60720091/Screenshot.png
[01:24] <spikeb_> i did see that :)
[01:25] <nnnaji> spikeb_ : now i'm trying my luck with some (easier) python code ...
[01:25] <nnnaji> update-manager has the same problem..
[01:25]  * spikeb_ nods
[01:25] <nnnaji> but i'm running into FTBFS
[01:25] <spikeb_> oh nice
[01:25] <nnnaji> well.. i guess i'm on my own for now..
[01:26] <spikeb_> good luck!
[01:26] <nnnaji> thanks ;)
[01:27] <nnnaji> your luck helped :D
[01:29] <spikeb_> great!
[01:38] <nnnaji> spikeb_ what do you think.. can Me Menu's Presence settings control notify OSD's behaviour?
[01:38] <spikeb_> so that if you're set to away, it doesn't bother you?
[01:38] <nnnaji> or should one just have a seperate toggle for "Do Not Disturb" aka "Silent Mode" in the Session Menu?
[01:38] <nnnaji> yeah, something like that
[01:39] <nnnaji> i was thinking of "Busy" aka "Not Avaiable" as the law
[01:39] <spikeb_> nnnaji, offhand, i would say that we should have a seperate setting for silent mode.
[01:39] <nnnaji> ok
[01:39] <spikeb_> too many use cases where the user wants to appear away or busy, but wants to know what is happening.
[01:40] <nnnaji> ok.. valid point
[01:41] <nnnaji> where should it be?
[01:41] <nnnaji> in the session menu?
[01:41] <spikeb_> hmm
[01:41] <spikeb_> that is a good question.
[01:41] <nnnaji> where else ? :D
[01:42] <spikeb_> i have no idea
[01:43] <nnnaji> well thanks a lot for your thoughts, you helped me see it from another perspective
[01:43] <spikeb_> you're welcome. i'm going to think some more and post on the mailing list if i get any ideas
[01:43] <nnnaji> that would be cool, since this thing needs be handled now, even sabdfl is pressing now
[01:44] <nnnaji> haaah
[01:48] <spikeb_> ok, quick survey of some people says your idea of putting it in the session menu is probably a good one
[01:48] <spikeb_> might want to run the idea past the folsk on the mailing list though
[01:49] <spikeb_> folks, not folsk
[01:49] <nnnaji> ok.. i guess that makes sense, too
[01:49] <nnnaji> i'll do some more thinking myself, before i write up more nonesense :D
[01:50] <spikeb_> sounds good :)
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[05:30] <r2wj> anybody awake
[06:00] <spikeb> any of you read jakob nielson's "usability engineering" ?
[06:00] <spikeb> my brain is fried after three chapters!
[06:11] <jhuin> spikeb, good or bad fried? :P
[06:11] <spikeb> good - it is busy processing all the information i just read
[06:11] <spikeb> the author manages to pack information into every nook and cranny of the book.
[07:02] <kvalo> morning
[07:04] <spikeb> morning
[07:14] <kvalo> hi spikeb
[07:14] <spikeb> hi kvalo
[08:15] <evaluate> is there any function I could call to show the application indicator's menu? (in C)
[09:19] <theone_> hello ppl, I am a newbie, interestd in contributing to unity code. I have installed natty daily uild, bzr and have got the the code by it. Now what to proceed further?
[09:20] <seb128> hey theone_
[09:20] <seb128> did you read http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/?
[09:20] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity
[09:20] <seb128> as well
[09:20] <seb128> if not start by reading those
[09:20] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Bitesize as well
[09:21] <theone_> seb128, yes I have read and followed through all its steps
[09:21] <seb128> do you have specific questions?
[09:22] <seb128> or you can start trying to fix one of the bugs?
[09:23] <theone_> seb128 :  ya, I have never worked on a collaborative open source project using a VCS. so, how can I start working with the buglist. I mean, how it can be compiled and tested on the system?
[09:24] <seb128> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/ has those steps
[09:25] <seb128> well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource
[09:25] <seb128> but if you just work on unity it's easier
[09:25] <seb128> we probably need to clean a bit the instructions on this one
[09:25] <seb128> see the Unity set on this page?
[09:25] <seb128> if you only want to build it drop "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/unity"
[09:28] <theone_> seb128, ok. i will try it now. thanks
[09:29] <seb128> just ask there if you have issues
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[13:57] <mdeslaur> ronoc: since I updated this morning, rhythmbox isn't being displayed in the indicator-sound menu anymore. Any ideas?
[13:58] <ronoc> mdeslaur, natty ?
[13:59] <mdeslaur> ronoc: yes
[13:59] <ronoc> version 0.5.3 ?
[13:59] <mdeslaur> ronoc: yes
[14:02] <ronoc> mdeslaur, we are using a completely different mechanism for menu registration now. It is done exclusively with mpris, the last time I checked rhythmbox does not implement the root mpris spec correctly ( I have mailed Jonathon about this). The Desktopentry prop on the root interface should contain the name of the desktopfile minus the .desktop suffix. Rhythmbox exposes the full path to the file
[14:03] <ronoc> and as a result my service ignores it
[14:03] <ronoc> banshee should work fine
[14:03] <ronoc> big release yesterday so a few clients i suspect will break
[14:04] <mdeslaur> ronoc: ok, thanks
[14:04] <ronoc> mdeslaur, np
[14:04] <mdeslaur> ronoc: so I should re-file by bug against rhythmbox then I guess
[14:07] <mdeslaur> ronoc: fyi, bug 691556
[14:07] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 691556 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "[natty] rhythmbox doesn't appear in indicator-sound menu anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691556
[14:09] <ronoc> mdeslaur, okay thx
[15:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, indicator-sound SRU uploaded
[15:24] <ronoc> thanks kenvandine
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[15:34] <evaluate> hello
[15:34] <nnnaji> hi
[15:35] <evaluate> I have an application in C that uses the indicator. I have to refresh the menu of the indicator periodically, but I don't want it to refresh when the menu is open (as in visible), because this looks ugly (the menu closes and opens automatically on refresh). Is there a way to tell if the menu is open?
[15:36] <evaluate> I tried gtk_widget_get_visible() but this doesn't seem to work...
[15:37] <nnnaji> i guess i won't get far past "hi" in this conversation :P
[15:37] <evaluate> nnnaji, :-)
[15:38] <nnnaji> evaluate_ : you mean AppIndicator, right?
[15:38] <evaluate> also, I looked up the indicator C API, but I can't see a signal that gets fired when the menu is opened...
[15:38] <evaluate> nnnaji, yup
[15:38] <nnnaji> yeah, they're not so well documented..
[15:39] <evaluate> nnnaji, that's why I'm here. I was hoping that someone had an idea of how I could do this...
[15:40] <nnnaji> evaluate_ : in webdesign, i would have worked with OnMouseEvent event handlers
[15:40] <nnnaji> but here.. !?!?
[15:41] <nnnaji> perhaps you can grab a hover for the area of an open menu somehow in gtk?
[15:43] <evaluate> nnnaji, I'm not sure what you mean, but I wouldn't want to use ugly "hacks" to accomplish this. IMHO this should be supported by the AppIndicator (I mean somehow getting the visible/hidden property of the menu)...
[15:43] <nnnaji> true.
[15:43] <nnnaji> have you tried ayatana-dev mailinglist?
[15:44] <evaluate> nnnaji, no, I hoped to find help here...
[15:46] <nnnaji> evaluate, ok, i'll keep out of it! ;)
[15:46] <evaluate> nnnaji, thing is, I curretly have a function that gets executed every half second. It would be most convenient for me to use that one and just skip the refresh when the menu is visible.
[15:47] <nnnaji> evaluate, curious, is this top secret or may i ask what you are working on?
[15:47] <evaluate> If I wouldn't use that one, I would have to insert the menu refreshing function into every function after which a menu refresh is needed, which is a lot more work for me
[15:47] <evaluate> nnnaji, I am working on a clipboard manager, it's name is clipit (sf.net/projects/gtkclipit)
[15:48] <kvalo> njpatel_: hi. do you have indent command line switches for unity coding style?
[15:49] <nnnaji> evaluate, thanks, i use another clipboard manager at the moment, i wish you well with your project, clipboard managers have potential, if well designed
[15:50] <evaluate> nnnaji, thank you! may I ask what you use atm?
[15:51] <njpatel_> kvalo, the C style?
[15:51] <njpatel_> kvalo, I had them somewhere....
[15:51] <njpatel_> will have to look them up
[15:52] <kvalo> njpatel_: no rush, I can ask you later
[15:54] <nnnaji> evaluate, i use pastie, it's feature rich and i don't exactly enjoy the UI
[15:55] <evaluate> nnnaji, ohh, don't know that one yet.
[15:58] <evaluate> nnnaji, hmm, it actually has less features then clipit as far as I can see...
[15:58] <nnnaji> then it isn't feature rich but chaotic
[15:58] <evaluate> nnnaji, lol :p
[16:00] <evaluate> nnnaji, if you like pastie, you should check out clipit if you have the time...
[16:01] <nnnaji> evaluate, of course i will, i love clipboard managers! i often have more than 2 links i want to paste into an email without switching windows repeatedly, but without a good clipboard manager, that is a horrible task to achieve
[16:02] <nnnaji> evaluate, do you include options in the edit portion of the context menu, e.g. 2 or more Paste items?
[16:03] <evaluate> nnnaji, sorry, but I don't understand what you mean...
[16:04] <evaluate> nnnaji, you mean if the number of items shown in the menu is editable?
[16:06] <nnnaji> evaluate, i mean in the context menu you have nothing but "copy", "cut" and "paste" and perhaps "delete"
[16:06] <nnnaji> perhaps you have multiple "paste" items with gtkclipit installed?
[16:06] <nnnaji> or even a "paste" submenu
[16:07] <nnnaji> or a "clipit" submenu
[16:07] <evaluate> nnnaji, ohh, clipit doesn't interfere with the context menu yet, but that is a good idea indeed... :-)
[16:09] <evaluate> nnnaji, currently I was struggling to make it cooperate nicely with the AppIndicator...
[16:12] <nnnaji> evaluate, looking forward to Clipit AppIndicator!!
[16:13] <nnnaji> evaluate, have you considered moving to launchpad.net ?
[16:14] <evaluate> nnnaji, I'm ok with sourceforge for now... I have a PPA on launchpad though...
[16:14] <nnnaji> ahaaaa... i'll check it out
[16:15] <evaluate> if you use the current PPA I have to inform you that currently the indicator menu doesn't refresh itself when you copy new items or change the history, so you will have to use the "small history" menu (there's a hotkey for that) if you want an up-to-date list
[16:17] <nnnaji> evaluate, i checked the ppa and did apt-get update, but i notice you have no natty packages, stimmts?
[16:17] <nnnaji> ;)
[16:19] <evaluate> kann sein
[16:20] <evaluate> I will look into that tomorrow :-)
[16:20] <nnnaji> :D - i'll be checking it out
[16:21] <evaluate> I didn't think there were people actually using a alpha, thought I'd have some more time until people switched. Appearently i was wrong :p
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[16:31] <nnnaji> evaluate, many people love ubuntu alphas!!!
[16:35] <evaluate> I need a stable system for work, so I'm just checking them out in virtual boxes :-)
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[16:55] <jcastro> evaluate: ask on ayatana-dev, ted is on holiday for the rest of the year so you'll likely not catch him on irc
[16:57] <evaluate> jcastro, ok. I have to go now, but I'll be bcak in a couple of hours and try my luck on ayatana-dev. thank you!
[16:57] <jcastro> no worries, good luck!
[17:09] <rbnswartz> DBO you around?
[17:10] <DBO> rbnswartz, yeah
[17:11] <rbnswartz> Okay I installed natty on my thumb drive to test my fix but the downloads that I was instructed to get to compile the source totalled to nearly 500MB is this all neaded?
[17:11] <rbnswartz> sorry needed
[17:13] <DBO> you are on a limited connection rbnswartz?
[17:14] <rbnswartz> occasional wifi but I can camp out at friends homes.
[17:16] <rbnswartz> but yes until monday I am on limited internet
[17:21] <rbnswartz> DBO ^^
[17:21] <DBO> unfortuantely coding kinda requires a good connection these days :/
[17:22] <rbnswartz> Yeah usuall every morning I have net connection.
[17:22] <rbnswartz> Is all 400mb required
[17:25] <rbnswartz> So long DBO I have to leave
[17:25] <DBO> cheers :)
[17:35] <ian__> I'd like to congratulate the Unity team on all the prgress they've made since the switch to compiz. Awesome job. I do have a question about the launcher and its autohide, though.
[17:40] <lamalex> ian__, what's the question
[17:42] <boulabiar> how to disable mt gestures in unity ?
[17:47] <dbarth> jcastro: hey jorge, have you heard of someone being interested in helping with the compiz bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/684193
[17:47] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 684193 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_source_unref()" [High,Confirmed]
[17:48] <dbarth> jcastro: actually i realize that it's not linked to a unity bug, so the bitesize tag went unnoticed
[17:48] <jcastro> dbarth: it's ok, I'm about to start including compiz and indicators in the bitesize bits
[17:49] <jcastro> I can blog it now though, get it some pre-weekend attention
[17:49] <dbarth> i've linked it to unity anyway
[17:49] <dbarth> so now it shows up as well
[17:49] <jcastro> oh cool!
[17:49] <dbarth> i'd love to get more help on compiz
[17:49] <dbarth> sam is just struggling with a huge pile of bugs
[17:49] <jcastro> ah ok
[17:49] <jcastro> I am lunching now, I'll put together a call for help
[17:49] <jcastro> other than bitesizes what else does he need?
[17:50] <jcastro> he sent me a list earlier, I will include that as well
[18:07] <r2wj> Hello
[18:07] <r2wj> Can somebody comment on a ticket I opened please
[18:07] <r2wj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/689468
[18:07] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 689468 in unity (Ubuntu) "[Ayatana] Ubuntu Menu Icon has No Shadow, Doesn't Render Quite Properly" [Undecided,New]
[18:07] <r2wj> Just looking for some discussion about this
[18:38] <lamalex> cyphermox, is nm's appindicator going to get signal strength/security icons in the indicator menu?
[18:43] <cyphermox> lamalex, I would like to :)
[18:44] <cyphermox> appindicator doesn't seem to support that yet
[18:44] <lamalex> cyphermox, where is your branch for nm appindicator?
[18:44] <lamalex> I think it's supposed to snow this weekend so I might have some free time
[18:45] <cyphermox> ahaha
[18:45] <cyphermox> then you can ping me this weekend and maybe we can coordinate some work there :)
[18:46] <cyphermox> I was using a different branch for the initial stuff, but now it's a just a patch over the actual nm-applet packaging branch: lp:~network-manager/network-manager-applet/ubuntu.head
[18:49] <lamalex> cyphermox, the messaging indicator has those little circles with the counts in them
[18:50] <cyphermox> lamalex, in the patch I'm just bypassing code for building an NMNetworkMenuItem (or whatever it's called) and adding it to the menu, adding a standard GtkMenuItem instead
[18:50] <cyphermox> lamalex, yeah
[18:51] <cyphermox> lamalex, I also thought about doing something like this for signal strength numbers, but I really with it could be as close a possible as the standard non-indicator nm-applet rather than changing how it looks too much at the same time
[18:55] <lamalex> njpatel, know anything about this?
[18:55] <lamalex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/687445
[18:55] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 687445 in unity (Ubuntu) "The strange white lines appeared on the top of screen" [Undecided,New]
[19:22] <njpatel> lamalex, haven't seen that before
[19:22] <lamalex> pretty od
[19:22] <lamalex> d
[20:08] <Amaranth> DBO: Is nux-tools supposed to contain something useful?
[20:09] <DBO> no idea
[20:09] <Amaranth> All it has is /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test
[20:09] <Amaranth> which nicely segfaults for me
[20:15] <evaluate> hello again
[20:17] <evaluate> I have sent a mail to ayatana-dev@lists.launchpad.net  (but I can't see it in the mailing list, nor did I receive any reply that the message was received successfully). Anyway, I just wanted to say that I only saw that last message from the list after I have sent the mail
[20:18] <evaluate> so if the mail actually belongs on the ayatana list, rather than the ayatana-dev list, I would like to ask someone to please move it there
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[21:48] <Amaranth> eep, seems the last release of unity for the year is going to be a rather annoying one :/
[21:49] <Amaranth> menus only appear when I put my mouse on the panel :(
[21:49] <jamalta> Amaranth: i was seeing that issue.. what happens when you click on some blank space in the desktop?
[21:49] <Amaranth> and someone disabled fade so menus are crazy flickery now too
[21:49] <jamalta> mind you, unity is completely screwed for me at the moment :)
[21:49] <Amaranth> jamalta: I get no app name and menus still appear on hover
[21:50] <jamalta> is this the last work day of the year for canonical?
[21:50] <jamalta> s/this/today
[21:51] <Amaranth> jamalta: I dunno what the Canonical folks in general are going but I know it was seb128's last day for the year and he kept saying it was the last unity upload for the year
[21:51] <Amaranth> s/going/doing/
[21:51] <jamalta> ahh
[21:52] <jamalta> well, i'm trying to test to see if i experience your issue too.. just need to do an update
[21:52] <jamalta> ooh, grub's all purple now :)
[21:52]  * Amaranth tries to think
[21:52] <Amaranth> I think njpatel does the panel
[21:52] <jamalta> well, if seb128's last deploy is today then there won't be much we can do, unfortunately :)
[21:53] <Amaranth> Yeah, I only have compiz upload rights so I can't sneak any unity fixes in
[21:53] <jamalta> Amaranth: but you can push a merge proposal and ask someone like DBO to do so ;)
[21:53] <seb128> njpatel will be around next week I think
[21:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson and kenvandine as well
[21:54] <kenvandine> njpatel won't be
[21:54] <jamalta> well compiz is loading for me now!
[21:54] <jamalta> but unity isn't
[21:56] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[21:56] <seb128> jamalta, the unity session doesn't start?
[21:56] <jamalta> Amaranth: ah ignore my rambling, i forgot i was using the daily ppa
[21:56] <seb128> is that natty?
[21:56] <jamalta> seb128: ignore me, i'm running the daily
[21:56] <seb128> ok
[21:56] <seb128> natty has just been updated you can switch back to that
[21:56] <jamalta> the error doesn't seem to occur in trunk so it must've been fixed already
[21:57] <kenvandine> brb, session restart
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[22:09] <nmarques> anyone know if nux builds with libpng14 ?
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[22:34] <toros> hi
[22:35] <toros> I've just filled a bugreport on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/691741
[22:35] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 691741 in Unity "Duplicated window title bars with Unity 3.2.8 and Chromium" [Undecided,New]
[22:35] <toros> do you need any further information regarding to this bug?
[22:40] <tareth> hmm chromium maximizes just fine for me right now
[22:40] <tareth> might be because I haven't upgraded at all today though
[22:41] <Amaranth> toros: thunderbird is going it too :/
[22:41] <Amaranth> but oddly not firefox, perhaps it's because I have libnotify-mozilla in thunderbird
[22:42] <toros> tareth: only unity 3.2.8 is affected, 3.2.6 isn't
[22:42] <Amaranth> oh actually chromium is just maximizing into the panel, I don't get duplicated titlebars
[22:43] <tareth> toros, I'm using the latest revision from source, so I'm already at 3.2.8
[22:43] <Amaranth> maybe it's because of autohide
[22:43] <Amaranth> nope, even with autohide it doesn't happen to me
[22:44] <Amaranth> although autohide makes the combined panel/decoration look ugly
[22:45] <Amaranth> ok, I get it with thunderbird even without libnotify-mozilla
[22:45] <toros> Amaranth: to reproduce the bug "use system title bar and borders" option in chromium should be turned on, and you should start chromium maximized
[22:45] <Amaranth> yeah, did that
[22:45] <Amaranth> oh, start maximized, hmm
[22:45] <toros> so opening a new window, or just maximizing it doesn't trigger the bug
[22:46] <Amaranth> yep, starting maximized does it
[22:46] <Amaranth> confirming bug
[22:46] <tareth> yeah I'm dumb, must've skimmed over that bit in the bug report.
[22:47] <Amaranth> toros: It's _every_ application
[22:47] <Amaranth> Start maximized == broken
[22:47] <toros> Amaranth: I'll check it
[22:48] <Amaranth> thunderbird is just extra broken, it doesn't work right even when not started maximized
[22:49] <Amaranth> I just confirmed nautilus, gedit, firefox, thunderbird, and chromium do it
[22:49] <toros> yepp, I've just reproduced it with gedit... altough the behaviour is a little bit different... because unmaximizing gedit, and then maximizing it again solves the issue
[22:50] <tareth> and system monitor. I think a more interesting question would be: can we find an application where this _doesn't_ happen?
[22:50] <toros> but not with chromium
[22:50] <toros> in chromium, I have to open a new window
[22:50] <toros> so there is a little difference in chromium and all the other apps
[22:51] <Amaranth> tareth: Well, we've just covered GTK+ apps, XUL apps, and custom/GTK+ apps
[22:51] <Amaranth> they all do things a little differently with the bug but have that same base problem
[23:10] <toros> well, I think I am going to sleep
[23:10] <toros> thank you guys for investigating this bug
[23:10] <toros> good night
[23:18] <coz_> hey guys... just noticed  that  the close,min,max buttons are now on the  upper panel..and no window decos...is this expected?
[23:19] <coz_> also notice that going to classic gnome there are no File Edit View  menus on the applications
[23:24] <lamalex> coz_, they /should/ be in the panel
[23:24] <lamalex> though honestly I'm not sure as I haven't used
[23:24] <coz_> lamalex,  yeah but they dont appear on classic gnome
[23:25] <coz_> I'll test again later,,, someone is trying to convince me to go to debian :)