[00:09] Any good packages for scheduling projects? === anonnnnn is now known as fungos [00:43] hi [00:45] amazing party... [00:54] what room do i go to for kubuntu 11.04 [01:00] FloridaGuy: #ubuntu+1 [01:00] thanks...already got it [01:01] panel icons not working === Darkrift is now known as DarkriftX === root is now known as Guest68903 === zeroedout_ is now known as zeroedout [03:21] que odas === pixie__ is now known as dcyber_ [04:15] bj [04:35] hi === hayden is now known as phalewail === phalewail is now known as haydos [06:12] i cant run any PyQT application on kubuntu 10.10, i get this message http://pastebin.ca/2021841 , any solution ? [06:16] kebomix: in konsole what does echo $DISPLAY return? [06:17] gr8m8: :0.0 [06:18] kebomix: you in a root shell (su) - presumably you're in Konsole? [06:18] yes [06:18] to the root shell qq as well? [06:19] frogonwheels: huh ? [06:19] kebomix: are you in a root shell? or just a normal user shell? [06:19] frogonwheels: root sheel [06:19] shell* [06:20] kebomix: ok.. log into a normal shell and use sudo -s to get a root shell [06:20] does that work better now? [06:21] frogonwheels: root@ahmed:~# echo $DISPLAY [06:21] :0.0 [06:21] try running the pyqt app [06:21] or any x11 app should do [06:22] frogonwheels: worked ! , i tried many time before ! [06:23] kebomix: ok.. the problem is with a direct shell (which is often a su shell), there is no X11 cookie stuff set up from the env.. [06:23] kebomix: thefore despite your $DISPLAY being set correctly, you don't have the correct cookie to access the display. (regardless of being root, remember that X11 is first and formost a protocol) [06:24] frogonwheels: aha, thanks very much :) [06:24] kebomix: echo ${XDG_SESSION_COOKIE} <-- think you'll find this is the one [06:25] kebomix: I remember the days before cookies .. they were fun.. [06:25] :D :D [06:25] kebomix: you could telnet in to a machine and run stuff on their screen.. most amusing [06:25] kebomix: xroaches, xmelt [06:26] kebomix: one of my friends made an app that let him do freehand drawing on somebody else's screen :) [06:26] frogonwheels: really ! [06:26] he would write "Let Me Out!" in reverse and stuff like that.. [06:27] frogonwheels: that's funny :D [06:27] kebomix: so yeah -session cookies are important :) [06:29] :D [06:30] kebomix: there's a program called sux that is su with x. these days though, sudo does it. (used to have to type sudo sux) [06:30] frogonwheels: sudo sux :D true [06:33] anyone here? [06:33] !ask [06:33] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [07:14] how big of a USB would I need to install Ubuntu onto it? [07:16] racines: probably 2GB+ for a GUI install [07:17] Darnit [07:17] my usb install is on a 1GB [07:17] wow [07:17] and its Kubuntu 10.10 [07:17] really? [07:17] yeah [07:17] install or live? [07:17] not sure [07:17] o_o [07:17] not sure? lol [07:17] not really sure which means what [07:18] well did you install it or are you just using live? [07:18] it boots from the usb drive [07:18] and starts the install [07:18] not really sure how much stuff is on the usb though [07:18] I just tried to install PCLinuxOS onto my 2GB USB and it said the USB wasn't large enough [07:18] prolly mostly gets it from the net [07:18] you can run the live CD in "persistent" mode from a USB stick, where the live CD boost, but you can save files/settings etc [07:19] But how? [07:19] or you can do a "real" install on the USB stick/drive, like a normal HDD [07:19] yeah I know [07:19] I tried [07:19] well I didn't use kubuntu, I tried with PCLinuxOS [07:19] !persistence [07:19] To have some persistent storage when using a Live CD, follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence [07:19] however it said it needed more space on my 2GB USB [07:19] tsimpson: you talking about running a partition of ur hard drive on ubuntu [07:19] directly erasing the whole hard drive and have only one main partition [07:20] that what ur talking about tsimpson [07:20] andrewh192: no, running the LiveCD image from a USB drive and having the ability to save data on the drive [07:20] oh [07:20] Tsimpson, isn't live/persistent mode technically......slower? [07:21] indeed [07:21] yeah [07:21] I thought if I installed it onto my USB it would be faster, however I don't even have enough space =/ [07:21] i know what ur talking about now [07:21] 2GB USB [07:21] it will be faster than running from CD, but slower than a HDD install [07:21] ur saying instead of installing it on ur computer, period, u would sttrictly use it off of the usb drive [07:21] and slower than a "real" install on USB too [07:22] i am confused [07:22] well sorta anyway [07:22] i think i know whaat ur talking about [07:22] Well basically I want to know if there is a way I can install Kubuntu 10.10 onto my USB and load it from anywhere that allows bootable USBs? [07:22] without using live/persistence, because thats slow [07:23] racines: well just use unbootin, and don't enable persistance [07:23] Well no. I want the ability to save my work. [07:23] make sure you delete any partitions on your USB drive, if you have more than 1 [07:23] Oh hm [07:23] It's a 2GB USB [07:23] would it be able to install kubuntu? [07:23] sometimes a 2GB USB drive isn't 2GB [07:24] check exactly how large the drive is, "sudo fdisk -l" should tell you [07:26] linux says its 2048MB o_o [07:30] so I'm guessing a 2GB USB isn't big enough =/ [07:31] try with Ubuntu or Kubuntu, 2GB should be enough for a full install [07:31] if not, try a server install and add GUI parts later [07:34] well [07:34] I didn't use kubuntu, I tried PCLinuxOS and it wasn't big enough [07:34] I was just worried kubuntu may not work [07:34] all the documentation I find says 2GB should be enough [07:35] (for Ubuntu and Kubuntu) [07:35] okay [07:40] omg [07:40] idk what happened but I formatted my USB and now it has 1.64GB instead of 1.9GB [07:40] o_o [07:41] just clear the partition table, something like "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb", "o", then "w" (if /dev/sdb is the USB disk) [07:42] okay thanks [07:42] "o" creates a new empty partition table, "w" writes it out [07:43] then you can let the installer create the partitions after [07:51] fdisk doesnt seem to have parameters "o" or "w" [07:51] also when I plug in my USB there are two things, "sdb2" and "sdb5" ....Hmm [07:52] first run "sudo fdisk /dev/whatever.." [07:52] then type o (enter) [07:52] then w (enter) [07:52] then q [07:52] "sdb2" -> "Extended" , "sdb5" -> "Linux swap / Solaris" [07:52] it's menu driven [07:52] I'm guessing I do it to both sdb2 and sdb5? [07:53] no, on the disk, not the partition (/dev/sdb) [07:53] there is no sdb, I think sdb1 is my hard drive (laptop HDD), and sdb2 and sdb5 is my USB [07:53] after you write (w), you should notice /dev/sdb2 and /dev/sdb5 disappear [07:54] /dev/sda would be the HDD [07:54] Oh hm [07:54] so...........just......sdb? [07:54] I hope it doesn't erase anything on my laptop HDD =/ [07:54] there should be a /dev/sdb, that's the "disk" as linux sees it [07:54] if you want to make sure, remove the USB drive and /dev/sdb should disappear === Jade is now known as robertdq [07:55] screw it, I'll just use gparted [07:55] really "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb", "o", "w", "q", is much quicker ;) [07:55] its not working [07:56] you'll want to make sure nothing on the disk is mounted, gparted will fail too in that case [07:56] "WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to sectors (command 'u') [07:56] " [07:56] just ignore that stuff, it's only a warning [07:56] That error is given after the following command: "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb" [07:56] warning != error [07:56] yeah but [07:57] but nothing! ;) [07:57] it really doesn't matter if it's a DOS partition table or not, Grub will handle it just fine [07:57] when I do "o": "Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 5 will be corrected by w(rite)" [07:57] I'm guessing I do "w" now? [07:57] yep [07:57] now o? [07:58] type "p" and see what's there [07:58] (p prints the partition table) [07:58] it should list no partitions [07:59] okay [07:59] so I should be able to do a fresh install? [07:59] yeah [08:00] when it comes to selecting where to install, you just choose the USB drive, and make sure you also install Grub to the USB drive [08:00] you may have to click some "Advanced" button or something [08:00] been a while since I did a fresh install [08:03] I've searched before about GRUB but never really got a straight forward answer. Do you have a noob answer to the question: "What is GRUB?" [08:03] lol [08:03] GRUB = Grand Unified Boot Loader [08:03] -> GRand [08:03] it does one of 2 things [08:04] it either loads the kernel and tells is where the root filesystem is, or loads another boot loader (eg the windows boot loader), which does its own thing [08:04] oh okay [08:04] Oh wow, the Kubuntu installer isn't showing my USB as an option [08:05] only shows my laptop's HDD, hm [08:07] Well, instead of the default option: "Install alongside other operating systems", I chose "Specify partitions manually (advanced)" [08:08] and now I clicked on my USB on the partition table (now called: /dev/sdc) [08:08] chose: /dev/sdc as my Boot Loader [08:08] and got this error: [08:08] "No rot file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu" [08:08] root* [08:09] you need to create some partitions first [08:09] you need a / (root) and a swap, you may also want a separate /home [08:09] I'd suggest ext3 for both / and /home [08:10] so......Ext3 journaling file system ? [08:10] or ext4 if it's there, apparently ext4 is even less error prone [08:10] yeah [08:10] Mount point: /, then do it again except this time make the mount point: "/home" ? [08:10] yep [08:10] or do I just need one that has the mount point as: "/" [08:11] hm okay [08:11] you only _need_ /, but /home is recommended [08:11] /home will be where you save all your files, / will be for system files (like programs and stuff) [08:11] ...omg....the "Add" button is greyed out [08:12] you'll need to make sure you don't assign / all the available space ;) [08:12] oh [08:12] and save about 500MB-1GB for swap [08:13] it doesn't give me the option to edit storage.... [08:13] just delete the partition you made, nothing has been written to disk yet [08:13] okay back to square one, /dev/sdc now has a partition known as: "free space" [08:14] Ah okay [08:14] so about 500MB for swap, rest for /home (ext3) ? [08:15] save some for / [08:15] ugh i'm confused [08:15] you should have / first, then /home, then swap at the end of the disk [08:16] or, just have one big /, then swap at the end (simpler) [08:16] hm so I just have to make sure I have at least 500MB left for swap? [08:16] yes [08:17] Was I supposed to set / and /home to the beginning, and swap area to the end yes? [08:18] I also made them all "logical" partitions...is this okay too? [08:19] that's fine [08:20] is swap necessary? I tried installing and it said I needed 2.1GB on the "/" partition uh oh [08:20] technically is not, but recommended [08:21] Darn.....I guess you can't do it on a 2.00GB USB [08:21] says it needs 2.1, though it gives me the option to continue, says it may error... [08:23] I guess you can try a server install, and then add some GUI parts, but it's messy === david is now known as Guest3800 [08:25] Well I went ahead and hit continue anyways [08:25] =/ [08:30] Well whether it installs or not, let's assume it does, and then I get another USB with more storage, will I be able to migrate my saved work from my 2GIG to the large USB? [08:30] or is not possible? [08:30] and by that I mean, migrate the entire installation alongside my saved work [08:31] not easily, you'd need to backup or just install to the new disk and copy files over [08:31] !backup [08:31] There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning [08:31] maybe some of those links will help [08:31] (the issue is that the size of the disk changes, so you can't just replicate the disk and write it to another) [08:32] Ah okay [08:32] Well darn I got an error [08:33] Oh well I'll just have to buy a new USB [08:33] Thanks so much for all the help [08:33] no problem :) [09:20] is there a way to make kubuntu stop asking for the root password when automounting ntfs drives? [10:11] hi ho [10:11] hi [10:14] guys, I added the Kubuntu Beta PPA and aptitude upgrade gives me this: http://wklej.org/id/439538/ [10:14] a whole bunch of unmet deps and generally looks like a SNAFU [10:24] aaaanybody? === rysiek|pl_ is now known as rysiek|pl === winston is now known as Guest17829 [11:04] rysiek|pl: iirc {b} stands for 'broken', can you first try apt-get install -f and then try aptitude full-upgrade again? [11:08] yofel: apt-get install -f does nothing here; nothing was actually broken, it seems [11:08] and full-upgrade gives me exactly the same info [11:13] hello!!! [11:13] I have a question regarding kdm and Enlightment... any volunteers? [11:14] well, what's the question? (I don't use enlightment though) [11:15] i have installed E17, but it does not appear in the session list at kdm login... I still only have Default, KDE, and Failsafe... [11:16] chiiiiiz: do you have e17-data installed? Should appear then [11:17] I do not know, I am following a howto, that compiles from sources... [11:17] I tried to use the standard packages, but with Maverick, I had error messages as for the dependencies, and nothing installed. [11:18] oh, then make sure you have xsession file like /usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop (which is part of e17-data in the repos) [11:18] *have a xsession [11:18] I have this file indeed... [11:20] then I'm not sure what's wrong, as kdm looks for those files to generate the desktop env list [11:20] http://pastebin.com/YXhwzbEj [11:21] Where can I check that kdm looks in there, and not anywhere else? [11:21] is it in the kdmrc file? [11:22] have you restarted kdm [11:24] no idea, all DMs look in /usr/share/xsessions/ usually [11:24] that file looks like it's from the repository package though [11:25] rysiek|pl: confirmed here, has something to do with kdepim it seems (same version for kubuntu updates AND beta, which doesn't quite work) [11:26] Keyboard layouts in Kubuntu 10.10. Why can I not find them? [11:27] !keyboard [11:27] To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard | KDE: System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout | Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html | See also !Shortcuts === netadmin5 is now known as hay09 [11:27] yofel: thanks; I'll remove the PPA, then [11:27] yofel: any idea 1. where should I submit this as a bug? 2. when is there a chance it'll work? [11:29] There is no Regional & Language in System Settings on Kubuntu 10.10 [11:29] :( [11:32] hello [11:34] The keyboard layouts in Kubuntu 10.10 are in System Settings > Input Devices. [11:34] How can one add information in ubottu? [11:36] stupid quasselcore :/ [11:36] rysiek|pl: you can switch through the resolutions so aptitude forces and upgrade of kdepim 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 (updates) to 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 (beta) which should work then [11:36] rysiek|pl: as for the bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug [11:39] yofel: quasselcore r0x ;) [11:42] rysiek|pl: I agree, it's just that mine just hung itself up (after running for 3 weeks :P) [11:43] lolz [11:44] had to SIGKILL it, and the log doesn't tell me anything useful :/ === netadmin5 is now known as hay09 [12:01] yofel: sooo... it's a bug in packaging, right? === seajey_ is now known as SeaJey [12:03] I'm trying to link my Kopete contacts with the address book entries in Kontact. It seems like Kopete is looking at a different address book than Kontact is, because I'm not seeing any of my Kontact contacts. What do? [12:03] well, mostly, 4.4.8 was uploaded to updates recently for maverick but depends on 4.5.4 while 4.4.8 from beta depends on 4.5.85, but aptitude thinks removing kde is better than replacing kdepim with the same version from beta [12:03] apt-get does the same though === samu_ is now known as Guest97168 === pixie__ is now known as dcyber_ [12:36] hi everybody! here's an easy one for you: after drag & drop, kde asks me wheter i want to move or copy. can i set "move" as standard somehow? [12:39] alx_: sorta.. press shift when dragging [12:40] (ubuntu 10.10) hi. If I edit from scratch "myfile.txt" and after have saved it my pc crashes because of power-supply loss, after the OS starts again "myfile.txt" becames empty. is there a reason for that? How can I fix that? [12:40] d_ed yeah i know, but can i set the standard to move so i dont have to press shift? [12:40] I dont' think so. === weecol_ is now known as weecol [12:41] hello [12:41] alx_: it came up on KDE Brainstorm not that long ago. [12:42] got shot down pretty quickly by the vast majority how prefer to have it ask if in doubt (it's one of my fave features too) [12:43] hmm too bad.. when i drag & drop files i am not in doubt^^ [12:44] heh, I spend too long copying from webservers and CDs and such. [12:45] anyway, not going to have an argument over whose personal preference is more correct. [12:45] ocs: what were you saving to? your hard drive? [12:45] !ask | weecol [12:45] weecol: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:46] d_ed sure, arguing over personal preference is stupid ;D as i said, was just wondering if i can have a global setting on that, as i am used to being able to set everything to my taste in kde ;D thanks anyway^^ [12:46] is idling ok [12:47] !idle [12:47] rysiek|pl: fix underway, now we need to wait for launchpad to process it [12:48] d_ed: hard drive [12:48] weecol: haha, ok. [12:48] d_ed: it seems that this problem is associated to ext4 [12:48] I can't think of any sensible cause then. [12:48] ocs: the file system kept the file in disk cache (ext4 for a few minutes) before actually writing it to disk and only writes the file metadata immediately [12:49] so if you have a crash immediatly after writing the file any didn't sync the disk before that you'll end up with an empty file [12:49] s/any/and/ [12:50] yofel: good. is there a wat to force sync the cache for a particular file? [12:50] after I have written it [12:50] well, from the commandline there's the 'sync' command which will simply sync all disks, or use an editor that uses fsync() on the file after writing it [12:51] (now don't ask me which one does that, I only know that vim does) [12:52] yofel: is sync automatically invoked after boot? [12:53] ocs: ok, short explenation: the file system keeps files in the cache before writing them so it can write more files in one go instead of writing to the disk all the time, so files are synced to the disk after a while, when you sync the disks manually or when you unmount the drive (on shutdown for example) [12:57] thanks yofel [13:00] cya [13:05] yofel: awesome! so, a few days and we're there? [13:24] i have kde in other distro ... i dont now how to make format a usb flash drive [13:26] jemadux: why not ask in that distro's channel? === tuv0k is now known as darthanubis [13:33] darthanubis: hmm ... cuz both have KDE ? [13:33] hey there! another basic thing: how can i disable changing windows by scrolling on task manager? it happens very often on my touchpad when i dont want it.. === darthanubis is now known as tuv0k === tuv0k is now known as darthanubis [13:35] hi everyone, i have a bluetooth device in the list of configured devices of KDE bluetooth applet which i cannot erase by clicking on the 'Remove' button. I am sure there is a file that the list of configured bluetooth devices are stored. Does anybody know where that is so that i can remove the unknown device by hand? [13:41] naftilos76: mmm [13:41] naftilos76: wait a second [13:42] have a look in /var/lib/bluetooth/ [13:43] naftilos76: try to rename $HOME/.kde/share/config/kbluetoothrc [13:43] erm, Peace- , mfraz74, do you know how to disable changing windows by scrolling on taskmanager? [13:45] alx_: eh? [13:45] explain better [13:45] alx_: what do you mean by task manager? [13:46] the list of open windows in the taskbar [13:46] sorry [13:46] you know, by default scrolling on it changes windows [13:46] never knew you could do that! [13:46] but with my touchpad this happens accidntally all the time^^ [13:47] maybe in the settings [13:47] maybe [13:47] i didn't try [13:49] yeh, thats the thing.. i dont know where to find the setting.. its not under mouse, nor in changing windows, nor in settings for the task manager [13:50] i can't seem to find a setting for that either [13:50] even tried oxygen-settings === root is now known as Guest92388 [13:52] alx_: despite this being kde, there might possibly....*gasp* ....not be a setting for it... [13:52] :) [13:52] ok, thanks^^ [13:53] mfraz74: that was the action to take but unfortunatelly i found in /var/lib/bluetooth/ one dir named as one of the devices listed in configured devices of kde bluetooth! where the hell does the other come from! [13:54] bye [13:54] naftilos76: I've no idea, sorry [13:54] mfraz74: np [14:18] Hi, how do I tell the kde speller to ignore case? Or at least accept upper-case words when at the start of a sentence? [14:19] AFAIR kde uses aspell, however, it seems to ignore my ~/.aspell.conf file [14:39] Aloha === mueslix is now known as muesli [14:55] hiyas all [14:58] BluesKaj: HEY [14:59] :) sorrycaps === peace_ is now known as Peace- === david is now known as Guest31057 [15:55] moin, kennt sich hier wer mit mpd und ncmpc aus? [15:56] christin: english... [15:56] !de ? [15:56] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:57] !de [15:57] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [15:59] ok, thx [16:00] Any task managers for kubuntu? [16:01] Just a simple "todo" and check when it's done will be fine. [16:04] ner0x: ? [16:04] system monitor? [16:04] Peace-: More like a "todo" list. [16:05] what do you mean ? [16:05] i can't get the problem [16:05] or what you would have [16:17] hi, I somehow can't connect to wireless networks anymore over the icon in the tray bar, the one with the lan port and the cable. A week ago I could connect to networks with it when i clicked one of the listed ones there, and even auto connecting worked. Now nothing works, no auto connecting, nothing happens when I click a network in the list, it only lists networks in range and thats it. My... [16:18] ...cards do still work as I can still use aircrack so it can't be the cards. Maybe I somehow wrecked a setting somewhere, could anyone help me to fix that please? [16:18] BloodyRain2k: iwconfig [16:25] well that doesn't help me that much as I don't know what to do with it, I tried to set a cards essid to my networks name but nothing happened though [16:27] BloodyRain2k: give me the output man... [16:28] IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any [16:28] meh [16:28] !paste [16:28] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:30] Mode: Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power) 20 dBm [16:30] Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off [16:30] Encryption key:off Power Management:off <-- 3 times, all 3 cards show the same [16:30] !paste | bomber [16:30] bomber: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:30] !paste | BloodyRain2k [16:30] BloodyRain2k: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:32] Peace-: Meaning I'd like an application that keeps a list of the things I need to do, and I can check them off one at a time when they are completed. [16:36] Peace-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544928/ === tales__ is now known as deusr [17:01] hello [17:02] I'm really new to linux and I just want to make a file that executes a single command in console and stays open in the console that I can link to on the desktop [17:07] shannon_: right click kmenu > Edit menu (or run "kmenueidt") from there you can add an entry to the menu to execute the program you want, and tell it to run in a terminal [17:08] shannon_: it will att it to the menu, but then you can drag it to the desktop or panel if you want [17:08] okay thanks [17:12] whoops I accidently delete terminal from the kmenu, o gosh how do I put it back [17:13] restored to default that did it [17:18] how do I give it an icon? [17:19] shannon_: I'd try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall konsole [17:19] oh I got terminal I just added my program to the menu [17:19] and it doesnt have an icon [17:19] its wvdial [17:20] Are you using kmenuedit? [17:20] yes [17:21] Create a program launcher script for wvdial, give that script an icon and add it to the menu. [17:22] how do I do that? is it anything like writing a bat file for dos? [17:22] It could be. Or you could just right-click on the Desktop, and select "Create New.." [17:23] it has "new widget" [17:23] Link to application. [17:24] That will create a .desktop file in ~/Desktop. You can then move that file anwhere to get it off your desktop. Then use kmenuedit to add it to your menu. [17:25] ah I have a link to it now. but it has a question mark for an icon [17:25] Click on that question mark and select an icon for it. [17:27]