[00:02] <circlejtp> Testing Daily image.  Suffering from bug #685017 so can't get gdm start.  How can I install to hard disk from USB drive without GDM?
[00:06] <circlejtp> Let me rephrase better.  Bug does not allow gdm start when running in livecd mode from USB.  Would like to install Natty to local hard drive from command line on livecd.  GDM should run once installed to local hard drive.
[00:09] <radi> circlejtp, i did upgrade from 10.10 and everything works perfect
[00:10] <radi> i even had a but before the update, now is gone
[00:10] <radi> a bug*
[00:10] <radi> ubuntu 10,10*
[00:10] <circlejtp> radi, I appreciate that but this is clean hard drive.  I could install 10.10 and then upgrade but was hoping to just clean install
[00:11] <radi> kde or gnome ?
[00:11] <circlejtp> gnome
[00:11] <circlejtp> looking to launch a text mode installer if it is on usb livecd
[00:12] <circlejtp> may have to do the alternate CD thing
[00:13] <radi> maybe, i dont know here to get bleeding edge ubuntu with gnome, but kubuntu has a nice solution to that
[00:14] <charlie-tca> I think live cd is gui based only, even when you install instead of trying it first
[00:14] <radi> chroot ?
[00:15] <circlejtp> so far that is my experience and what i suspect.  Was just hoping to work around.  Will probably flash 10.10 and then upgrade.  Don't have DVD burner and CD image is oversized at moment.  So can't get Natty on there otherwise
[00:16] <charlie-tca> yup. The text installer is the alternate image now
[00:16] <radi> i would go for 10.10 and upgrade, as this is what i did and everything works
[00:18] <circlejtp> going to pull down alternate alpha 1 and text install from there
[00:18] <radi> btw it seems that alpha is pretty stable
[00:18] <radi> why they call it alpha ;P
[00:18] <radi> even 1080p clips with flash run smoother as this is 64 bit too
[00:19] <BUGabundo> yay sudo fixed
[00:19] <BUGabundo> now need to fix my debian box too
[00:19] <BUGabundo> brb
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[00:22] <BUGabundo> now for good
[00:23] <charlie-tca> I forgot to update and missed the fun of that one
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[00:23] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[00:23] <charlie-tca>  huh?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> not having fun
[00:24] <charlie-tca> sorry
[00:25] <charlie-tca> Is it fixed now?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:35] <BUGabundo> kernel linux 2.6.37.9-22.... time does move fast!
[00:35] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:35] <charlie-tca> anyone know how to make virtualbox work in natty again?
[00:35]  * charlie-tca broke his bad... it won't work at all
[00:35] <BUGabundo> no ideia
[00:36] <BUGabundo> is it broken?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> um, yes, it is broken
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Won't let me start any VBox machines
[00:39] <BUGabundo> have your reconfigured it?
[00:39] <charlie-tca> I re-installed it
[00:40] <charlie-tca>  but it did not care at all
[00:40] <BUGabundo> that won't do it
[00:41] <charlie-tca> What do I have to do, then?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> it usually tells you to run a vdbox reconfigure or setup, something
[00:41] <BUGabundo> don't recall. no VB box here
[00:42] <BUGabundo> I get everytime I change kernels
[00:42] <charlie-tca> It has just been giving me error numbers, and I can't remember the command either
[00:43] <charlie-tca> Probably something with the latest kernel... Maverick did this to
[00:43] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:44] <charlie-tca> modprobe vboxdrv failed
[00:44] <charlie-tca> kernel is too new
[00:48] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:48] <BUGabundo> boot into the older one, till its fixed :)
[01:00] <FloridaGuy> jusy install ubuntu 11.04 with kde...4.6 beta 2...everything seems great..just cant get icons  panel to work
[01:14] <hggdh> charlie-tca: it seems vboxdrv is getting a kernel oops
[01:14] <hggdh> charlie-tca: look at your dmesg, you should see it
[01:14]  * hggdh is going to open a bug as soon as time allows
[01:25] <charlie-tca> Thanks, hggdh. I haven't been able to find that yet
[01:25] <charlie-tca> I knew it had to be something besides the "turn on ecc ram" when the machine can't use it
[01:25] <hggdh> charlie-tca: in my case I see it as a result of a modprobe on boot
[01:25] <charlie-tca> I'll look again
[01:26] <charlie-tca> We did the same thing last release in alpha, though
[01:27] <hggdh> charlie-tca: remember the "three passwords wrong" on gksudo?
[01:27] <hggdh> I think I got it back...
[01:28] <charlie-tca> crap
[01:31] <BUGabundo> lolol
[01:31] <BUGabundo> really?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> could be left overs from the sudo fix
[01:32] <charlie-tca> no oops here
[01:32] <charlie-tca> not in dmesg or syslog
[01:33] <hggdh> weird
[01:33] <charlie-tca> all I got is ECC disabled; either enable it or force it
[01:33] <charlie-tca> and this system is not ecc capable
[01:36] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I know you are right, I just can't find the fail lines.
[01:55] <charlie-tca> and now, how do I get google in English again?
[02:02] <BUGabundo> in the bottom
[02:02] <BUGabundo> there should be a link to language
[02:02] <charlie-tca> ᎤᏂᎳᏛ ᎤᏓᏴᎳᏛᎢ Realtime ᏚᎾᏓᏡᎬ
[02:02] <charlie-tca> ᏁᎵᏍᏔᏅᏒ | ᏣᏲᎦ ᏕᎦᎧᎲᎢ | ᎠᏴᏍᏗ
[02:02] <charlie-tca> Google
[02:02] <BUGabundo> or go to Advanced and change it
[02:02] <BUGabundo> night
[02:02] <charlie-tca> which one is it?
[02:02] <BUGabundo> ahhaaahhahahaaha
[02:02] <BUGabundo> clear cookies :)
[02:03] <charlie-tca> lol
[02:41] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I see the modprobe vboxdrv failed, but I can not find it in dmesg... frustrated now
[02:42] <charlie-tca> It just isn't logging to dmesg for some reason
[03:00] <hggdh> charlie-tca: try /var/log/kern.log
[03:01] <charlie-tca> I did
[03:01] <charlie-tca> I checked every log file and can't find it
[03:01] <hggdh> ok. I know it is dumb, but try 'grep "Call Trace:" /var/log/* 2>/dev/null
[03:02] <hggdh> '
[03:02] <charlie-tca> That's the one. Thanks. Let me try that
[03:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:05] <hggdh> got it?
[03:05] <charlie-tca> gives the trace in kern.log
[03:05] <hggdh> I am going to open a bug on it (or will you?)
[03:06] <hggdh> doing it now
[03:07] <charlie-tca> go ahead.
[03:07] <charlie-tca> Still looks like a incompatiblility with the new kernel to me
[03:07] <hggdh> oh boy. "Please wait while bug data is processed. ...". This morning it took almost 30 min
[03:07] <charlie-tca> But I will confirm it
[03:07] <hggdh> charlie-tca: might be, IDK
[03:07] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[03:10] <hggdh> I do not remember if vBox uses DKMS
[03:10] <hggdh> OK. I am going to watch a movie, and will be back every 10 min or so to see if LP finally ate the whole bug report
[03:11] <charlie-tca> it's a recommended, I think
[03:15] <hggdh> still waiting...
[03:15] <charlie-tca> np, I'll wait too
[03:15] <charlie-tca> go watch the movie
[03:15] <hggdh> k
[03:15] <hggdh> brb
[04:16] <hggdh> still waiting
[04:17] <charlie-tca> lol
[04:19] <charlie-tca> Well, I might have to confirm tomorrow, too. but I am still here...
[04:27] <hggdh> yeah. I will hit the bed, Charlie. Tomorrow morning I will be here, and we will go from there
[04:27] <hggdh> good night, charlie-tca
[04:28] <charlie-tca> Good night
[04:54] <MTecknology> what's the deal here?.... I only saw really ugly breaking in natty once so far
[04:54] <MTecknology> what a boring release cycle :P
[09:38] <das2k_117> Hello everyone
[09:38] <das2k_117> i want to set the desktop
[09:38] <das2k_117> in natty
[09:38] <das2k_117> as it was in 10.10
[09:41] <rigved> das2k_117: what do you exactly want to do?
[09:43] <rigved> das2k_117: ok. so you want the same gnome panels that you had in 10.10?
[09:43] <das2k_117> aye
[09:43] <das2k_117> also m not getting wifi enable in natty
[09:43] <das2k_117> so was willing to downgrade
[09:43] <das2k_117> but i guess that is not quite possible
[09:45] <rigved> !downgrade | das2k_117
[09:45] <rigved> das2k_117: yes it's not
[09:45] <das2k_117> yes i know
[09:45] <das2k_117> so i hv aborted that plan
[09:45] <das2k_117> but i need to get wifi running
[09:45] <das2k_117> i tried installing various
[09:45] <das2k_117> drivers
[09:45] <das2k_117> but no help
[09:46] <rigved> das2k_117: you can start 11.04 in the classic desktop setting when you log in.
[09:46] <das2k_117> in that i have to lauch panels by myself
[09:46] <rigved> das2k_117: that way, you can get GUI access to the NM applet
[09:46] <rigved> das2k_117: ohh
[09:46] <das2k_117> i get access to NM
[09:46] <das2k_117> i lauch nm-applet
[09:47] <das2k_117> but the wifi is not getting enable
[09:47] <das2k_117> my system is
[09:47] <das2k_117> HP HDX 16
[09:47] <das2k_117> 64bit ubuntu
[09:48] <rigved> das2k_117: ok.do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
[09:49] <das2k_117> no,
[09:49] <das2k_117> i don't have it installed
[09:49] <rigved> das2k_117: and is your wifi encrypted?
[09:49] <jbicha> how about trying sudo NetworkManager from the terminal?
[09:53] <das2k_117> nm is working
[09:53] <das2k_117> nm-applet is working
[09:53] <das2k_117> and both are launched too
[09:53] <das2k_117> Ethernet cable
[09:53] <das2k_117> give me n/w
[09:53] <das2k_117> which i m using rite now
[09:53] <das2k_117> but i don't get wifi
[09:53] <rigved> das2k_117: is your wifi connection encrypted? then you need to install wpa_supplicant
[09:54] <das2k_117> i need to relay wifi
[09:55] <das2k_117> it is not dat i m not able to connect to ne network
[09:55] <das2k_117> but the wifi does not gets enabled at all
[09:55] <das2k_117> i m trying the partial upgrade
[09:55] <das2k_117> hope that helps
[09:56] <rigved> das2k_117: no. i think partial upgrade won't help. but you can give it a try
[10:41] <shcherbak> try WPA & WPA2 Personal as wireless secirity, if this fails try WEP
[10:47] <jpds> shcherbak: 'if this fails' ?
[10:48] <shcherbak> ups wrong channel
[10:48] <shcherbak> too many tabs ;(
[10:49] <shcherbak> jpds: omg! Do you think many people have seen this?
[10:50] <jpds> shcherbak: About 185.
[10:51] <shcherbak> jpds: Good, Have been told that only above 200 is define as public embarasement
[10:56] <brot> shcherbak: we could post this to bash.org
[10:59]  * shcherbak chokes
[13:42] <hggdh> charlie-tca: still waiting ;-)
[13:42] <hggdh> I am cancelling it, and opening the bug by hand
[13:42] <charlie-tca> I filed one already for another vbox issue
[13:42] <charlie-tca> bug 691527
[13:42] <charlie-tca> I can't remove it anymore
[13:55] <coz_> anyone having issues with no launcher and no upper panel with todays updates?
[14:01] <IdleOne> coz_: everything seems ok here for now.
[14:02] <charlie-tca> coz_: did compiz crash?
[14:02] <coz_> charlie-tca,  no it didnt... but there was a compiz core and plugins update
[14:02] <IdleOne> gir1.2 packages are still all crazy
[14:02] <coz_> charlie-tca,   which means  a reset of of settings in cssm  but after reboot   no launcher or upper panel
[14:02] <charlie-tca> yeah
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Seeing compiz crash and take the panel and dock with it
[14:03] <coz_> charlie-tca,  well generally  a   "unity  & disown in terminal or gmrun  just   unity resets things
[14:05] <coz_> there seems to be no run dialog   aka   alt+F2  in unity
[14:05] <coz_> so i installed gmrun   which works when I have to reset  nux instance  with    "unity"
[14:06] <coz_> I am in classic gnome right now let me log off and try it again
[14:11] <coz_> nope...launcher and upper panel appear for a few seconds than ...gone
[14:11] <coz_> doing update && dist-upgrade again to check
[14:11] <charlie-tca> It is being looked into already
[14:11] <coz_> ok
[14:12] <coz_> is anyone packaging the compiz plugins extra  ?
[14:14] <charlie-tca> don't know
[14:15] <coz_> ok
[14:16] <coz_> ah I prefer the classic gnome anyway :)
[14:25] <c0nsense> hello! anyone know if ubuntu 11.04 alpha works on VirtualBox?
[14:25] <coz_> c0nsense,  it may work with classic gnome  but probably not  unity
[14:26] <coz_> c0nsense,   but in alll honesty,,, I have not attemptd it at all
[14:26] <c0nsense> coz_: understand, and, if i'm using 10.10 on a real machine and get install unity, can i install unity same with 10.10?
[14:27] <coz_> c0nsense,   not sure I understand...you mean install unity onto 10.10 ?
[14:27] <coz_> c0nsense,  again I havent attempted that... geneally I clean install  a system when it is of a different version and I no longer attmept upgrades from one version to then next
[14:28] <c0nsense> coz_: yeah! I'm running ubuntu 10.10 and i want install unity, can i install without problems or i need use 11.04 to try unity?
[14:28] <coz_> c0nsense,  i am going to suggest installing 11.04  clean... again I have not attempted unity on 10.10
[14:28] <charlie-tca> c0nsense: VBox does not allow unity and compiz. You can run the classic desktop in it only]
[14:28] <coz_> c0nsense,   and of course...  it is alpha :)
[14:30] <c0nsense> so, I'll be just 10.10 same!
[14:30] <c0nsense> lol
[14:30] <coz_> c0nsense,  what is you native language?
[14:31] <c0nsense> coz_: Portuguese, why? i know that my english is sucks!
[14:31] <coz_> c0nsense,  just wanted to know... no !  your english is pretty good  :)
[14:32] <c0nsense> coz_: really!? O_o it's serious? I think so my english is very sucks.
[14:33] <coz_> c0nsense,   well I can understand  you :) eu posso te entender
[14:35] <c0nsense> coz_: I know! if you ask me "what is you native language?" it's because is difficult to understand.
[14:35] <coz_> c0nsense,  no  I just noticed some  difference in the way you make a sentence.... but  it is understandable
[14:36] <c0nsense> coz_: but i think so nothing bad to a boy that never learn english on specific's english school, and have just 17 years old.
[14:36] <coz_> c0nsense,   very good  then :)
[14:37] <c0nsense> coz_: haha! lol! how old are you!?
[14:37] <coz_> c0nsense,  sujeira como o velho
[14:38] <c0nsense> coz_: !!! i found a web page with unity on 10.10.
[14:38] <c0nsense> coz_: how to.
[14:38] <coz_> ok
[14:38] <c0nsense> coz_: do you wanna see?
[14:38] <coz_> c0nsense,   sure
[14:39] <c0nsense> coz_: brazilian site, and i think so it's not a good idea. http://pplware.sapo.pt/linux/experimente-o-unity-no-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat/
[14:41] <c0nsense> coz_: what do you think?
[14:41] <coz_> c0nsense,   wont open here
[14:42] <c0nsense> brb.
[14:44] <c0nsense> ;/
[15:31] <hifi> what is Gir?
[15:35] <IdleOne> !info gir1.2
[15:35] <IdleOne> !search gir
[15:35] <IdleOne> oops
[15:35] <hifi> lol
[15:35] <IdleOne> !find gir
[15:36] <hifi> so in a nutshell it doesn't concern me when upgrading ;)
[15:36] <hifi> thanks
[15:42] <coz_> hey guys.. noticed in classic gnome that when creating a new panel ,,,there is no click hold an drag to new position
[16:14] <jMCg> Could it be that every other upgrade breaks Unity?
[16:16] <IdleOne> yes
[16:16] <charlie-tca> heh, It's a good alpha ...
[16:16] <jMCg> Yes.. I'm back in the console.
[16:16] <jMCg> Haven't had this much fun since I tried Rawhide.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Yeah, maverick was too easy for testing
[16:26] <twager> Anyone tried todays partial upgrade ?
[16:27] <wzssyqa> twager: indicator-sound are broken , not compliant with rhythmbox
[16:28] <jMCg> Unity is broken.
[16:31] <twager> Thanks...Think I will see what tomorrow brings.
[16:38] <jMCg> I should make it a habit to check in here, before attempting to run an upgrade.
[16:44] <jMCg> I'm wondering how I can make use of both monitors in a Console..
[16:44] <jMCg> Also.. I need UTF-8 fonts.
[16:45] <jMCg> *** /dev/mapper/vg_phoenix-lv_home will be checked for errors at next reboot ***
[16:45] <jMCg> Why do I get this every time I logon, reboot, fsck /home -- what's wrong here?
[16:47] <BrianTheLion> hey all! Anybody want to field an ALSA/PulseAudio problem?
[16:48] <yofel> jMCg: do you have some forcefsck file lying around?
[16:50] <BrianTheLion> I just installed 11.04 on my Acer Aspire One (ZG5) and am still having a problem with the mic. The problem has been described in a number of forum posts, but no one seems to have a clear solution.
[16:50] <BrianTheLion> so it's kinda interesting
[16:51] <jMCg> yofel: hope.
[16:51] <yofel> jMCg: if not, check Filesystem state, (maximum) mount count, last checked, check interval and next check after in the output from 'tune2fs -l /dev/mapper/vg_phoenix-lv_home' (assuming you're using ext)
[16:51] <BrianTheLion> Symptoms are this: Microphone works under the Sound Recorder but not under other applications (Skype, Google Talk, etc)
[16:52] <jMCg> yofel: yes, ext4... Considering to move to btrfs.
[16:53] <yofel> jMCg: you can pastebin the output if you want, should look roughly like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544933/
[16:53] <BrianTheLion> changing the "snd-hda-intel model=" options in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf doesn't solve anything
[16:54] <BrianTheLion> somebody found a weird hack, though, where you can get it working TEMPORARILY if you install pavucontrol and set the left and right channels for the mic to different input levels. Why there are two channels for a mono mic, I don't know.
[16:55] <BrianTheLion> I've googled like mad, installed the latest ALSA builds, etc, etc. Nothing.
[16:56] <jMCg> yofel: hah.. I have Maximum mount count: -1
[16:56] <yofel> how did that happen o.O?
[16:57] <yofel> that's usually ~30
[16:57] <BrianTheLion> anybody have a clue?
[16:59] <yofel> jMCg: sudo tune2fs -c 30 /dev/mapper/vg_phoenix-lv_home
[16:59] <jMCg> yofel: just did that.
[17:03] <BrianTheLion> Here is my forum post if anybody thinks of anything: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1647091
[17:04] <BrianTheLion> the problem would seem to have something to do with the interaction between ALSA and PulseAudio for this particular chipset
[17:05] <BrianTheLion> which is RealTek ALC268, btw
[17:53] <MTecknology> hmm... I tried upgrading my laptop, but there's 6 broken packages
[17:53] <histo> anyone else getting spammed from pianoxxxx
[17:53] <MTecknology> python-gnome2  lib32asound2  libpython2.6  python2.7-minimal  python-gtk2  hplip  python-gconf  python-glade2
[17:55] <MTecknology> I guess I knew python was undergoing a crap ton of changes, i just didn't expect to see those broken for the upgrade
[17:55] <IdleOne> python should be fixed now
[17:58] <MTecknology> IdleOne: http://dpaste.com/287780/
[18:01] <IdleOne> hmm
[18:04] <MTecknology> IdleOne: kinda ugly, huh?
[18:04] <IdleOne> MTecknology: a little
[18:04] <IdleOne> what does dist-upgrade say?
[18:05] <MTecknology> http://dpaste.com/287781/
[18:05] <MTecknology> maybe I'll just do a fresh install of a daily build
[18:06] <IdleOne> well python2.7 is def messed up for you
[18:06] <IdleOne> hehe
[18:06] <IdleOne> MTecknology: give it a shot. I assume @zombie is not a production machine
[18:08] <MTecknology> IdleOne: it's my laptop that i recovered from the dead; it has zip ties, shrink tubing, and other stuff inside it now :P
[18:08] <IdleOne> lol
[18:08] <MTecknology> I separated /opt and /home, everything else is pretty normal - just package selection
[18:11] <MTecknology> I can't really even move it somewhere. The power connection to the motherboard broke- so it's permanently on power. which is fine, the battery lasts about 5-10min
[18:12] <MTecknology> I mostly use this one for building packages. I have a ruptured disk so I turn it on, lay down, ssh in from my new laptop and then use it
[18:12] <Daekdroom> Zombies. They just can't do stuff like a normal one.
[18:14] <MTecknology> it's amazing how much pain can come from a little tiny part of your body
[18:24] <MTecknology> IdleOne: ya.. so.. network config doesn't work in the daily/current build
[18:26] <IdleOne> I been doing aptitude update && aptitude upgrade twice a day, with reckless abandon I might add. haven't had many issues
[18:27] <MTecknology> my other laptop has been trucking along just perfect - except for the python upgrade
[18:28] <MTecknology> I guess I'll pop this back over to 10.10
[18:31] <MTecknology> I'll try one more thing before I give up
[18:41] <MTecknology> This is making me realize how much I love SSD
[18:59] <DasEi> whats the latest natty kernel ?
[18:59] <MTecknology> IdleOne: yay.. it was installing fine but the network config didn't work - so now during install it's hanging on
[18:59] <MTecknology> Updating the list of avaiable packages...
[19:00] <IdleOne> DasEi: 2.6.37-9
[19:00] <DasEi> IdleOne: thanks
[19:01] <DasEi> IdleOne: somehow I can't get the headers for hit, though backports-repo works
[19:01] <DasEi> it*
[19:15] <DasEi> all good, thx again
[19:21] <jMCg> I found a way to ``repair'' Unity: I created a lauchner for a console on my desktop, in which I then launched compiz
[19:34] <rigved> jMCg: that's something similar to compiz --replace, right?
[19:34] <MTecknology> great... I can't even get ubuntu 10.10 to install on this thing
[19:34] <jMCg> rigved: only that comipiz isn't running, for some a strange reason.
[19:37] <MTecknology> come on... why the heck will this not install
[19:39] <andregondim> Hi, I need some help, I made a fresh alpha 1 install and after upgrade and reboot only show me the wallpaper
[19:44] <charlie-tca> andregondim: choose classic desktop session at login, then run updates
[19:44] <andregondim> let me try
[19:45] <charlie-tca> If you have nvidia video, you will need to install the hardware drivers to see the unity desktop
[19:45] <holstein> i have to say, im not dis-liking unity at all
[19:46] <holstein> i was concerned about the change being too drastic
[19:46] <holstein> looks very nice guys :)
[19:46] <andregondim> I have a intel video card
[20:03] <MTecknology> even with the network cable and a network connection, it still hangs at Updating the list of avaiable packages...
[20:32] <coz_> are they serious with th is logo ?  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unity_Logo.svg
[20:52] <duffydack> anyone else having trouble making a persistent usb stick actually use the persistence part?
[21:03] <nit-wit> duffydack, what are you using to load the thumb
[21:03] <duffydack> usb-creator in maverick.  also tried lucid
[21:04] <duffydack> tried amd64 iso and 32bit iso.
[21:04] <nit-wit> duffydack, so you can't get the persistence?
[21:04] <duffydack> 2gig usb stick, maximum persistence..its just ignoring it
[21:04] <duffydack> I get the file there (casper-rw) but the live boot ignores it
[21:05] <duffydack> tried using alpha1 of natty and daily.
[21:06] <duffydack> almost tempted to use that windows app by pendrivelinux, it has persistence options.
[21:07] <nit-wit> duffydack, you can make a 2 partitioned set up the first a fat32 for the ISO big enough for the csaper-rw to be added. you make the 2nd partition a ext2 name it casper-rw, then remove the csaper from the first. this is used to get a lrger then the 4 gig limit generally but works. I suspect the problem is else where though
[21:08] <nit-wit> duffydack, do you use the slider to size the persistence, and is it saving anything at all changes
[21:09] <duffydack> so, make partition1 as fat32 big enough to hold the live environment, and make partition2 as ext2 and label it casper-rw
[21:09] <duffydack> im sliding it all the way across, it makes it correctly..  It tells me its making ext2 in persistence, and there is a casper file there...
[21:09] <nit-wit> duffydack, yes but is the set up you have now saving any changes upon reboot?
[21:10] <duffydack> no, thats what im saying...its making it as it should ( I think, given the progress info while making it and the existence of the file) its just ignoring it while using it in live
[21:11] <duffydack> made it maybe 10 times now
[21:11] <nit-wit> duffydack, so lets say you change the theme and reboot does it save that new theme
[21:12] <nit-wit> duffydack, 2 gigs is not really good as any download ISO will have a ton of updates/upgrades
[21:12] <duffydack> I have changed font sizes, removed stuff from launcher, deleted some folders, adjusted mouse and keyboard options, startup options and no...it doesnt
[21:13] <duffydack> 1.1gig persistence is max...that should be enough?
[21:13] <duffydack> if I update daily
[21:14] <nit-wit> duffydack, not for maverick or Lucid or Natty to many updates and kernels you don't want to do any kernel updates. The Iso is being read first
[21:14] <duffydack> I have thought about (when it actually works) making tmpfs for /var/cache/apt/archives to speed up updating and not run out of space in case...I have 4gig mem
[21:15] <duffydack> so are you saying its not working because its not enough space?
[21:15] <nit-wit> duffydack, if the casper-rw was working you can't empty it, it just fills up, you would be better with a 8 gig thumb and a full install
[21:16] <duffydack> I have a 32gig stick with grub2/isos on 4gig partition, I could use that.
[21:16] <duffydack> that stick is one of my backup sticks tho...
[21:17] <nit-wit> duffydack, just be sure the grub loader is pointed at the thumb when you install otherwise it may default to the mbr of the computer
[21:17] <duffydack> well, even with 2gig and full persistence, it should work.
[21:17] <duffydack> I have installed to stick before but I dont like how much slower it is
[21:17] <duffydack> slow already, dont wanna make it any slower..well I thought it was anyway..
[21:18] <nit-wit> duffydack, 2 gigs is a install load with unetbotin or the disc creator in Ubuntu, to many updates
[21:18] <duffydack> I think I will make a maverick live+persistence, just to check.
[21:19] <nit-wit> duffydack, the pendrive multi usb is pretty cool I have a 16 gig with a bunch of bootable ISO's and one persistance If I wanted it
[21:20] <duffydack> actually I'll use this 4gig iso boot partition on the 32gig and make that live+persistence...if that dont work, then....
[21:20] <nit-wit> duffydack, is the partition at the front of the thumb
[21:20] <duffydack> yes
[21:21] <nit-wit> duffydack, that only seems to be the key at times
[21:21] <duffydack> only 2...that fat32 and rest of 32gig is encrypted for my rsync job
[21:21] <nit-wit> duffydack, good luck brb
[21:27] <nit-wit> back
[22:09] <nit-wit> duffydack, what up
[22:10] <duffydack> not much, not tried it yet
[22:13] <nit-wit> duffydack, just checking
[22:20] <coz_> mm classic gnome  there are no   File Edit View mentus on apps
[22:46] <coz_> anyone having issues with File Edit View menus not showing in classic gnome?
[23:17] <coz_> out of curiosity,,, I notice that the close  min max button are now on the upper panel.. and no window decos...is this expected?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> I think it is. does moving the mouse around the top of the window or the panel make a menu show up?
[23:19] <coz_> charlie-tca,  mousing over the panel shows the  File  Edit view  menus yes
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Then it is expectede
[23:20] <coz_> charlie-tca,  unfortunaltely  in classic gnome   there are not  File  Edit View menus
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Maybe a bad side effect?
[23:20] <coz_> perhaps  :)
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Python is working today!
[23:21] <coz_> this is good...yes?
[23:21] <coz_> i dont think I can get used to no window decorations
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Well, it looks to have screwed my desktop up bad, and this Xubuntu
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu reboot, xfwm4 does not restart; no window title bars, everything piles on one workspace, and can't see anything but the window on top.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:46] <Volkodav> charlie-tca: I am OK on my xfce though
[23:46] <Volkodav> almost everything works except awn half crippled:)
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Did you update today?
[23:52] <Volkodav> yes - will all new stuff
[23:52] <Volkodav> kernel included
[23:52] <Volkodav> and rebooted
[23:52] <Volkodav> with*
[23:53] <charlie-tca> second update did it
[23:54] <Volkodav> hmm like very recent ?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:54] <Volkodav> I only see compiz in updates for last 2 hours I checked
[23:55] <Volkodav> you had compiz too or more ?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe it's just me
[23:55] <charlie-tca> No, no compiz
[23:55] <charlie-tca> but I have test themes and icons and stuff, too