[00:00] and become 'junk' files??? [00:00] no, it replaces one for the other, so there is no junk [00:10] and what bout this : each time i boot xubuntu, the previus app always comes and poping one after another, how to stop this ??? [00:19] sogepp: it's been ages since I used xubuntu but there hsould be something under the administration menu about "startup applications" or "sessions" [00:21] "settings" > "session and startup" [00:22] err, can't found it guys [00:22] pleia2: thanks, I knew what it was just no idea where it was [00:22] i've check it on setting [00:23] wait, i'm still searching [00:23] ok find it, he he [00:25] :) [00:41] hi people [00:41] hi [00:42] i found a bug, i think one game from ubuntu games repo if installed breaks the grep-status file [00:42] that was the conclusion that we arrived with yofel i think [00:43] yofel ping [00:43] pong, which repository was that again? [00:43] ubuntu games [00:43] let me see the apt lie [00:43] line [00:43] Hello [00:44] Can someone help me with dual monitors? [00:44] I just installed 10.04 [00:44] http://archive.ubuntugames.org ubuntugames main [00:44] drew_ shoot [00:45] no need to shoot [00:45] I see the same image on both monitors [00:45] that's not a repository managed by ubuntu, contact the ubuntugames admins [00:45] yofel> one of this 3 games, memonix, globulation2 or omnitux [00:45] any idea how? [00:46] since it's the first time I hear of ubuntugames, nope, sorry [00:46] drew_ > what box do you have [00:46] Is this a help room? [00:46] i think so [00:47] Can you recommend another room to help me with dual monitors? [00:48] drew_, laptop, desktop? i can try to help you if it's of with you [00:48] if it's ok with you [00:48] Desktop, single video card, two monitors [00:48] driver of video card? ATI, NVidia, propietary, opensource? [00:49] ATI [00:49] propietary or opensource? [00:49] Driver was loaded with install [00:49] How do I check? [00:49] do you have installed the ATI Catalyst Control Center? [00:50] because that means you have the propietary [00:50] no [00:50] otherwise go to system > preferences > monitors [00:51] do this with your extra monitor plugged [00:51] and tell me what you see [00:53] drew_, got it? [00:54] i was trying to help somebody for the first time, lol [01:02] Hello [01:02] I'm back from a bad crash [01:02] Could someone help me with a dual monitor setup? [01:06] problem is that the monitors are the same whether look mirrored even when not selected [01:08] yes [01:08] do you get to the system > preferences > monitors? [01:09] you can then plug the monitor and hit detect monitors [01:09] that will probably detect the monitor plugged within 5 secs of being plugged [01:10] then you can try to see if there is a chech item that says "same image in all monitors" [01:11] chech the resolution of the both pluggd monitors, (if monitors are the same hardware most likely is expected to work fine) [01:11] then hit apply [01:11] and try to drag the green and red monitor samples to the correct physical setup [01:12] and then try to drag any window within the monitors [01:12] do you follow these steps? [01:16] drew_ still there? [01:18] well, i'm going to have dinner, i hope it helped [01:20] yes [01:20] here [01:25] hmm [01:25] something is wrong === AndrewMC is now known as Omicron === Omicron is now known as AndrewMC [02:08] i'm back [02:12] Anyone know how to check a CPU temperature that doesn't involve acpi or sensors-detect (as neither find my p4 3.2 cpu, only 3 MB temp sensors) [02:14] Hi all, this is my first time here. Trying to get info on a freezing problem with 10.04 that didn't exist in 8.04 [02:15] Dutch70: are you doing anything in particular when it freezes? [02:17] No, I have to keep the visual effects set to "None", then I don't have the problem, but that's no fun. :) [02:18] If I even set it to "Normal" visual effects, It freezes. Sometimes 10 sec, sometimes 10 minutes. [02:18] I had 8.04 set to "extra" with compiz & emerald [02:19] and a lot of things added, I don't understand why 10.04 is different [02:19] Ah what sort of video card do you have? [02:22] Intel 82945G Express chipset family [02:22] not a good one for sure, but it worked beautifully with 8.04 [02:24] Have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307001 seems to explain a little [02:25] [02:27] Great head_victim, I'll go through that thouroughly, but also want to let you know that I have another pc, same video card, but 64bit and ubuntu is installed via Wubi, and it works great there also [02:27] Dutch70: hope it works. The first thing I usually do is disable those effects. [02:29] yeah, I didn't want it the way I had 8.04, but not ready to drop them all yet. they do kinna get old though. [02:31] I have had to resort to a lighter version on my older hardware so I'm used to less "pretty" stuff. I still love gnome but it's too resource hungry for some of my hardware. [02:44] I have an older system with only 256MiB of memory, What system would be good on it? do you think [02:46] Well it's a shameless plug but I've found Lubuntu to be what I like to use for older hardware. It's a good mix of usability and lightweight in my opinion. It's not an official derivative yet but working on it. [02:50] I've heard of it, I'll have to check into it. Thanks for all your help. I'm on ubuntu forums quite a bit if you ever go there...my screen name is the same. [02:51] Ah I'm always on IRC :) [02:51] I find it hard on forums without the feedback, takes too long to get a to and fro help going [03:09] I'm liking this quite well myself, as well as what I see about Lubuntu, may be perfect for my g/f's old computer that she swore was trashed. :)) [03:10] ..I dug it out of the storage building after it's been there for years. Had it working in 20 min. with Ubuntu 10.04 from a usb stick, but wayyyy too slow. [03:13] Yeah I tried xubuntu and a couple other variants, for me Lubuntu was where I liked the balance. [03:16] I wonder if you can install it with a usb stick though, cause that's all I've got right now. [03:16] Yep [03:16] Definitely can as long as the PC can boot off USB [03:16] Oh wow!!! it does! [03:17] I said it was a shameless plug because I work on the documentation for it :) [03:17] I can have that thing up & running tonight, she wants to give it to her parents, who've never really used one, is it as easy to use as Ubuntu? [03:17] Oh nicee!!! [03:17] website? [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [03:22] I'm a noob myself, how do you install it with a usb? [03:23] Heh hang on I'll find a link [03:23] I'm a noob myself [03:24] Well I still think I am [03:24] !usb [03:24] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [03:26] Aww and I went and googled and all, thanks yofel [03:27] Those were the 2 links I was just copying :) [03:28] It gets better...LOL [03:28] the bot is pretty helpful for such things :P [03:29] That's the 2 sites I just used to do a fresh install from 8.04 to 10.04 for Ubuntu, didn't realize you could do it with Lubuntu also. [03:29] it's the same procedure for all *buntus [03:29] and thanks...both of you [03:29] yofel: I keep forgetting about it. Somedays I use it heaps, others I just plain forget [03:29] Dutch70: it's what were' here for mate [03:29] Nicee [03:29] you're welcome [03:31] Gonna eat a burger & do some downloads myself...I will be back, don't know how I managed to avoid this site for nearly 2 yrs :)) [03:32] talk to you later [03:35] Cheerio [03:37] head_victim > what are the special features of Lubuntu? [03:39] asterismo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications and http://lubuntu.net/about are probably good places to start [03:39] asterismo: basically is Ubuntu with lxde. [03:41] but does it have the set of apps like XFCE, or GNOME like with Evolution, and stuff? [03:42] The first link has a list of apps [03:44] head_victim > and is truly faster than gnome? and if it is, is there any benchmark? ram usage statistics? is the code better? or what? [03:44] I use it as my web box, for irc, web browsing, chat clients, etc. [03:44] asterismo: It just follows different design principles. Its nature makes it lighter. [03:45] I still prefer gnome for my main pc because of it's extended feature set but lxde let me re use an old pc that I wasn't happy running current gnome on. [03:46] yeah but why, is gnome not suppose to be light? what difference would be in an email client? they all check for mail, i mean is the same stuff right? [03:47] asterismo: It all depends on how the programmer designed the system. [03:47] asterismo: Like I said they simply follow different paths to achieve the same ends. [03:47] so, it's the code [03:47] its better [03:47] asterismo: No. Not better or worse. [03:47] asterismo: Different. [03:47] better and cleamer code [03:47] cleaner [03:47] asterismo: No. That's not the case. [03:48] asterismo: It may run more efficiently, but for different reasons than you're thinking. [03:48] It's different that's all. I use them for different purposes. [03:48] I'm not a programmer or coder though so I don't know the ins and outs sorry [03:49] asterismo: The big thing in the FOSS world is that no one is trying to be "the best" in anything [03:49] asterismo: They just develop software to suit their needs, and if it happens to help out some other people so much the better. [03:50] yeah but it is interesting the look inside of why this app is faster than this other one and does the same thing [03:50] asterismo: They use different methods to do similar things. I shouldn't have said "the same thing", because they don't really satisfy the same needs. [03:50] i mean, if it's free software and opensource why guys at gnome do not take the code of some app that does the same thing and use the code for a gnome app [03:50] and make gnome faster [03:51] asterismo: Because that's not how it works in programming. [03:51] asterismo: You'd think that, but not really. [03:51] They don't to the *same* thing, they do similar things is the best way i can explain it [03:51] i'm clearly not a programmer also [03:52] but i think that all software efforts should in final instances converge to a cleaner and faster and efficient code [03:52] asterismo: But what about, say... KDE and GNOME? [03:52] i mean, that is why linux is better than any other OS in many aspects [03:52] the clean code [03:52] asterismo: KDE is Qt-based, and GNOME is Gtk+ based. [03:52] asterismo: They're based on entirely different libraries. [03:52] yes i know [03:52] asterismo: but that's like comparing a terminal web browser to firefox, they both allow you to browse the internet. [03:53] because i have to know if this app is KDE or GNOME in ordr to prevent installation of all KDE libs [03:53] lol [03:53] but they not allow to do the same thing [03:53] asterismo: Dillo vs. Firefox. [03:54] say google chrome, firefox, and epiphany [03:54] they do [03:54] asterismo: They use different paths for the same goal [03:54] Dillo too may be [03:54] Yes, Dillo. [03:55] but programmers should share faster and more efficient codes to improve their softwares [03:55] right? [03:55] I specifically chose Dillo because it has a strong userbase [03:55] asterismo: But almost no casual user could use it in the long run. [03:55] aveilleux: that's what libraries are used for [03:56] er, asterismo^ [03:56] yofel: Tabfail [03:56] yep :/ [03:56] asterismo: Like yofel said, that's what shared libraries are for. They're "shared" codebases for developers to work with. [03:57] yes but you have Qt and GTK ones [03:58] why is there 2? [03:58] Because choice is a good thing? [03:58] there should be a QTGTK libs in which the cleaner replaces the bloated ones [03:58] asterismo: because the developers didn't like how the other one did things and wanted it to be done differently [03:59] lol [03:59] asterismo: basically, yeah. [03:59] lol [03:59] yes choice is a good thing [03:59] asterismo: Look at the visual differences between KDE and GNOME apps, if nothing else. They follow different design principles altogether. [04:00] but may be too bifurcation of code and projects and groups that did not like the other group did [04:00] it could be dangerous i think [04:00] asterismo: Why? [04:00] asterismo: Projects fork all the time. [04:00] asterismo: Github has a built-in system for handling code forks because of that. [04:01] asterismo: why? if someone else invents something better than you have, you'll have a reason to make your app better, the world lives from competition and it's usually a good thing [04:01] yes but somebody said one time that may be a strategy from propietary software developers to force communities to fork and split them [04:02] yes, you are right yofel [04:03] yeah but it's like you are talking about competition to outsiders, or say other propietary OS [04:04] but not competition between us [04:04] i probably get the rest of my life trying to figure this out [04:04] and i love this game [04:05] since i discovered the OS, i could not leave it, i want to learn more and more, and get things better [04:05] asterismo: so? At least for KDE and Gnome, the principles the developers follow are completely different, so while both are desktop environments they behave and look pretty different [04:06] may be the fact that there are too many choices affects me [04:06] lol [04:06] that you can't make up your mind [04:06] which one is going to be better? [04:06] more efficient? or more complete? [04:06] god [04:07] it's hard, lol [04:07] I just pick the one that suits the particular need. [04:07] Hence gnome on my main, semi powerful pc and lxde on my underpowered, secondary pc. [04:07] *shrug*, I use KDE because I like the UI better, but efficiency is definitely not it's strong point, for that LXDE is the best currently from what I see [04:07] * JoeMaverickSett think no one is better, they are great in their own ways, it's just a preference. [04:07] Horses for courses as they say [04:08] yeah [04:08] i want them all [04:08] aaaarrggghhhh [04:08] Haha then I'd suggest virtualbox :) [04:08] asterismo: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-destkop kubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop [04:08] :P [04:08] already have [04:08] yofel: +1 :D [04:08] That's where I play aroud until I'm happy [04:09] i used to try every linux distro, (until i met ubuntu off course) [04:09] and i used to try every desktop enviroment [04:09] god [04:09] It's the only way you'll know that what you are using is what you want :) [04:09] i've been using gnome for like 3 years [04:09] now [04:09] but it was hard [04:09] and sometimes i have my breakdowns [04:09] lol [04:10] then i say [04:10] jesus!, grow up! stick with this that it works! [04:10] lol [04:10] I used KDE with suse for a while, then debian with gnome a bit, gentoo with KDE and ubuntu with gnome till karmic then KDE again [04:11] I must admit I've just gotten to comfortable with gnome. [04:11] But I'm the very definition of an "end user" so I don't like to chop and change every week just to test it. [04:11] gnome's nice, I'm just not sure I like what ubuntu is doing with it (haven't tried gnome-shell yet, but I don't like unity) [04:11] Gnome-shell is a little different. [04:11] I don't know how I feel about it yet. [04:11] I'm hoping to clean up my vm installs to have a play with natty. [04:12] unity? [04:12] Running out of hdd on a 2TB /home is abit weird. [04:12] I can't stand Unity. [04:12] asterismo: the new ubuntu interface for Natty, as well as maverick netbook I think [04:17] i think it should be gnome for default [04:18] and unity for choice, may be a couple of screenshots in installation progress [04:18] asterismo: It'll be the other way around, unity default, gnome as 'classic' desktop [04:18] and as fallback for non-3D graphic drivers [04:18] since unity requires compiz [04:19] yep [05:15] seems my question not deep enough for #ubuntu... maybe someone here can assit [05:16] using 10.04 on USB (persistant) @ work but connected to net via proxy, is it possible to set up to use proxy to update the distro? [05:16] update uses http or ftp, mostly http [05:16] so why not [05:17] just do-release-upgrade -d [05:18] bioterror: But how... I set proxy in System->Prefrences -> Network Proxy... woked for FF but not for anything else :/ [05:19] should wwork [05:19] if you can sudo apt-get update [05:20] nope... just getting failed to fetch [05:21] something wrong with the proxy settings then? [05:25] strange that I am using FF chatting on freenode then right now :p [05:30] nlsthzn, firefox has its own proxy settings. check them [05:32] bioterror: not set, when I launched FF it was set... when I run apt-get I get "proxy authentication needed" error... for some reason my user name and password don't seem to be working for terminal but it does for FF [05:33] weiird [05:34] maybe need to add domain info (is windows authentication after all) [05:35] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1440787&postcount=3 might help. [05:39] JoeMaverickSett: Edited the file, thanks... now reboot? [05:39] brb (windows noob I am) [05:40] logout and login should be enuff [05:40] i think :D [05:40] bioterror: i was going to say, source ~/.bashrc :) [05:40] :D [05:40] haha [05:40] or yeah, logout & login would do. [05:41] :D [06:11] hi, no luck getting the proxy to owrk in terminal btw :/ [06:15] JoeMaverickSett: Thanks for the link but no luck... doesn't work for me [06:18] guys, i got message on my notebook, ntldr is missing [06:19] and i can't boot my OS, can someone help??? [06:19] sogepp: Windows? [06:20] yep, but i use ubuntu too [06:20] how could that affect my grub ??? [06:21] sogepp: it can't AFAIK\ [06:22] the missing file seems to be another symptom and not the illness [06:22] it's confuse me, [06:25] sogepp, is it a wubi install [06:27] sogepp, did you install Ubuntu from a live windows environment? [06:33] nope, i use it double err, actually triple boot [06:34] sogepp: and none of the OS's can boot now? [06:34] yep, just a message : ntldr is missing [06:36] run this script in a ubuntu environment and paste all the text from the generated file to a paste bin and post the link. Also give a better description does anything boot. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [06:36] means i shoud use live cd??? [06:37] sogepp: looks like it is trying to boot to windows and can't... [06:38] youcan use any ubuntu or most linux environments, so you have no boot capabilities is this correct, for the installed operating systems? [06:39] yes, i guess [06:40] can i run that scipt with live cd??? [06:40] the script will tell us what is where especially the bootloader=mbr info, yes the live cd is fine [06:40] wait, i'm working on it [06:44] sogepp, cool no hurry [06:45] he he, ok [06:52] here we go http://pastebin.com/3SL1zZU9 [06:52] thanks hold on [06:55] sogepp, So when you power on the computer you get a grub screen is this correct [06:56] nope, no grub just 'ntldr missing' message [06:57] well, i just scanned my win with avg, and it require to rebbot to finish the scan, and when i reboot my notebook,...ta da~ [06:58] i wonder, how did it affect my grub [06:58] sogepp, okay the mbr is looking at the correct partition, did you have any grub updates before this happened in Blankon Nanggar or 9.10 [06:59] nope, seems since few days ago my linux had some problems too [06:59] soo i often use it [06:59] seldom, sorry [07:00] rarely [07:01] we can reload grub2 to the mbr with 9.10 as the booting OS hold on I want to look closely at the script, you have grub-lagacy and grub2 chainging to boot [07:01] chaining [07:03] sogepp, you also have two swaps when you only need one [07:03] yeah, wll, i just don't know bout that [07:03] :) [07:04] sogepp, did you install startup manager to have a default boot? [07:04] what's that [07:04] on linux, or win ??? [07:05] sogepp, Linux it is a pprogram to modify the grub menu to default to say windows first if you wanted or any of the oprating systems. [07:05] not yet [07:05] sogepp, a default the boot [07:06] isn't it default app on ubuntu ?? [07:06] lets go pm I will give you the command s to relod grub2 [07:06] never tried [07:06] kay [07:12] hey peoples [07:13] can you install linux on a tablet [07:14] :( [07:16] Raidsong: I guess it would depend which distro and which tablet [07:16] it would have to be a light distro [07:17] the people have changed since ive been here [07:17] Raidsong: sorry... I am but a little noob and don't want to say something about a subject I have no clue about [07:18] no its cool talk away [07:18] you might spark an idea for me with something you say [07:18] i wanted to get a samsung galaxy since its open source and see how it works [07:19] well if it is android based I am pretty sure with a little tweaking just about anything will run on it [07:20] im sure but i want a full linux install for a tablet [07:20] just to have one [07:20] im sure you can modify programs to work on tablets [07:22] as long as it supports an on screen keyboard etc. you should be good to go [07:24] well you could make one [07:24] i dont know if there is a native program for that [07:25] but the real question is touch screen support [07:27] yep it works [07:27] what works? [07:28] nit-wit thanks a lot [07:28] so, that how to fix the grub [07:28] sogepp, your back in [07:29] rrr, i have another problem [07:29] congrats sogepp, nice nit-wit (or did I speak to soon) [07:29] my ubuntu won't reboot [07:30] "init : usplash post-start process (4589) terminated with status 1" [07:30] sogepp, so which one did you boot to and did you run the sudo update-grub [07:30] i did., it finished [07:30] and, my 'reboot' problem occured since few weeks ago [07:31] that's what make me rarely use my ubuntu [07:31] does anybody use 10.10 64x? [07:31] sogepp, it was 9.10 correct [07:31] yep [07:33] sogepp, part of the problem I think is that in the debian it is grub-legacy and there is a windows boot stanza there, when your actually using grub2 as the bootloader with 9.10, it is a bit messed up it is more user nicely said error [07:34] errr, how could i find the problem :) [07:35] sogepp, you just need somebody to set you up correctly without the 2 swaps. I would post a thread at the Ubuntu forums myself and a bunch of others do this everyday it is a little easier enviroment. [07:36] a ha ha, kay, so basically, the problem is yhe swap ??? can i said that ??? [07:36] how did you end up with debian and ubuntu? [07:37] I'm wilee-nilee there so post the latest bootscipt of your setup there and pm me. The best help is really US time during the day. The swap is not the problem but it isn't helping to have it set up improper [07:38] Raidsong, it is this distro http://debianfamily.blogspot.com/2009/06/blankon-nanggar-released.html [07:39] ah [07:40] where i can find the boot script [07:40] Raidsong, I just did a archbang install not called arch for dummies but way easier then a regular arch install, and a live cd as well [07:40] i was never a bit fan of arch [07:41] big* [07:41] but i love me some gentoo [07:41] the bootscript is what you ran before for the paste bin. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [07:42] sogepp, sorry you got that script url [07:42] kay [07:42] yep [07:43] sogepp, when we are trying to fix boot problems sometimes it needs to be run after changes to see whats different [07:43] sogepp, so are you in the no grub menu again situation [07:43] kay, how did you learn all that thinks ?? [07:44] no, the problem is when i want to reboot, or shutdown [07:44] grub is fine, [07:44] sogepp, so what happens then [07:44] it just stuck on black page [07:44] nothing happen, i nned to use REISUB [07:45] when does it stick? [07:45] sogepp, doesn't shutdown or reboot [07:45] i think i had a box with this problem [07:45] yep, but it works fine with windows [07:45] just m,y ubuntu and blankon [07:45] *my [07:46] If grub is working now then the script isn't really necessary I thought is was a no boot situation again [07:47] sogepp, does it do this in both Linux setups? [07:48] yes [07:48]