[00:40] <akshatj> jderose, hey, good luck
[00:41] <jderose> akshatj: thanks :)
[00:42]  * akshatj woke up in the morning after a very long time
[00:42] <jderose> akshatj: meaning you slept a long time?
[00:44] <greg-g> or the first time in a long time you woke up while it was still morning? :)
[00:45] <akshatj> ^
[00:57] <greg-g> alright, is everyone about ready for the meeting to start?
[00:58] <jderose> yup
[00:58] <fagan> disco
[00:58] <doctormo> hello
[00:58]  * dinda is here
[00:58]  * skaet_d waves
[00:58] <greg-g> we have one board member who is on his way shortly, but we can probably get started on time and he'll catch up on votes.
[00:58] <fagan> hello
[00:58]  * beuno waves
[00:59]  * doctormo might be a bit drunk after a single mai-thai on an empty stomach.
[00:59] <greg-g> doctormo: oh mai
[00:59] <fagan> its ok doctormo
[00:59] <fagan> :)
[01:00] <beuno> no sign of dhillonv10?
[01:00] <greg-g> I was just going to bring up his wiki page/LP page to look for an alternate IRC name, but they're being slow for me
[01:01] <greg-g> well, I'll get it started now that it is time, and we'll come back if he shows up
[01:01] <greg-g> #startmeeting
[01:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:01. The chair is greg-g.
[01:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:01] <greg-g> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for December. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:01] <greg-g> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[01:01] <greg-g> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[01:01] <greg-g> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:01] <greg-g> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:02] <greg-g> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:02] <greg-g> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:02] <greg-g> [TOPIC] jderose
[01:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  jderose
[01:02] <greg-g> jderose: go ahead, please, if you don't mind, since Vikram isn't here
[01:03] <jderose> greg-g: just introduce myself then?
[01:03] <greg-g> yep
[01:03] <jderose> okay, name is Jason DeRose. started using Debian around 2000, switched to Ubuntu at its 3rd release or so
[01:04] <greg-g> and if anyone else has anything to add about jderose, please feel free :)
[01:05] <jderose> i've had varrying levels of involvement with ubuntu at times when my day job kept me too busy, but i've always stayed somewhat involved
[01:05] <akshatj> jderose is Python tutor of akshatj ;)
[01:05] <greg-g> jderose: cool, what types of things were you involved with?
[01:05] <greg-g> akshatj: thanks :) It sounds like you got a good tutor, from the projects he's working on
[01:06] <jderose> greg-g: always try to file lots of high quality bugs, and i was an early bzr + launchpad user
[01:06] <greg-g> nice
[01:06] <jderose> have advocated its use to many, have got many started with bzr
[01:06] <fagan> jderose is doing some great work on novacut too
[01:06] <doctormo> jderose knows what creative commons is and supports copyleft/open source style licenses in the creative world.
[01:06] <pleia2> great :)
[01:06] <nhandler> jderose: I see you idle in #ubuntu-us-co. Are you active with the LoCo?
[01:06] <greg-g> you know the right phrases to pull my strings, don't you, doctormo ? ;)
[01:06] <jderose> greg-g: yeah, and now i'm all about making ubuntu the best platform for pro video
[01:07] <jderose> nhandler: not active yet, just getting to know people... went to 10.10 release party that loco put on... Steve Coast just happen to be there :)
[01:07] <greg-g> jderose: yeah, I've been impressed with the novacut project, even if my blog post didn't get you full funding on KS ;)
[01:07] <fagan> novacut is very exciting and jderose went to the last UDS to get the Ubuntu community involved
[01:07] <jderose> greg-g: ah, greg, hi... didn't know your irc name :)
[01:07] <pleia2> jderose: I was at a school last night and was asked about high performance video editing in linux, optimistic about the future?
[01:08] <akshatj> jderose, I found Novacut by greg-g's blog post
[01:08] <jderose> pleia2: well, i'm optismistic about future, but i'm biased :)
[01:08] <skaet_d> hi, my name is Kate Stewart.   I started out helping robbiew with 10.10, and working on natty right now
[01:08] <nhandler> jderose: I also saw you helped to teach the basics of packaging to someone. Have you done any patching/packaging type work in Ubuntu?
[01:08] <greg-g> jderose: yeah, I keep my nicks as simple as possible ;)
[01:08] <nhandler> skaet_d: We'll get to you in a few minutes
[01:09] <doctormo> jderose: also did lots of work at UDS by doing really good interviews.
[01:09]  * skaet_d is on an interface that sucks and appoligises.
[01:09] <jderose> pleia2: i think Ubuntu/Linux is well positioned for video because the biggest problems pro video faces is really storage and scalability... problems we're well equiped to handle as you know, linux runs the internet and all :)
[01:10] <pleia2> jderose: indeed! good to hear
[01:11] <jderose> greg-g: anyway, did i cover enough, anything specific you want me to answer?
[01:11] <greg-g> I think nhandler had a question
[01:11] <nhandler> jderose: Can you answer my last question?
[01:11] <nhandler> 1292548105 19:08:25 < nhandler> jderose: I also saw you helped to teach the basics of packaging to someone. Have you done any patching/packaging type work in Ubuntu?
[01:12] <jderose> nhandler: so i've always packaged my own projects and published in PPA... so i'm quite comfortable packaging Python apps...
[01:12] <akshatj> nhandler, jderose also helped manish package zeitgeist-sharp
[01:12] <jderose> nhandler: but i haven't done much in official packaging yet, although i'm excited to
[01:13] <nhandler> jderose: I would definitely look into that if you already know about packaging. They can always use more help.
[01:13] <jderose> nhandler: i'm working on getting python-skein into ubuntu, have been talking to upstream author
[01:13] <greg-g> cool
[01:14] <greg-g> well, i think we're ready to vote....
[01:14] <nhandler> Yep
[01:14] <greg-g> [VOTE]
[01:14] <MootBot> Please vote on: .
[01:14] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:14] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:14] <greg-g> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:14] <pleia2> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:14] <beuno> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:14] <nhandler> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:14] <akshatj> +1
[01:14] <dinda> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from akshatj. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[01:14] <greg-g> [ENDVOTE]
[01:14] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[01:14] <fagan> yay jderose congrats welcome to the crew
[01:14] <pleia2> board members only voting, please
[01:14] <JamesMR> Congrats jderose!
[01:14] <nhandler> Congratulations jderose
[01:14] <pleia2> congrats and welcome jderose :)
[01:14] <jderose> yippee! thank you!
[01:15] <greg-g> welcome aboard, jderose !
[01:15] <greg-g> alrighty, lets move on to....
[01:15] <greg-g> [TOPIC] skaet_d
[01:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  skaet_d
[01:15] <skaet_d> hi
[01:15] <greg-g> skaet_d: please introduce yourself :)
[01:16] <skaet_d> sorry about the early post
[01:16] <greg-g> no problem
[01:17] <skaet_d> ive come from an embedded linux backgound
[01:18] <pleia2> skaet_d: I was at the linux collaboration summit too, shame we missed each other
[01:19] <skaet_d> am learning ubuntu and doing my besat to ramp and help out with the releases now.
[01:19] <greg-g> skaet_d: as you came from an embedded linux background, does that mean you were a developer or something else?
[01:20]  * nhandler would also like to thank skaet_d for adding details of her contributions to her wiki page :)
[01:20] <skaet_d> i managed FSL powerpc contribs for last 10 yrs
[01:21] <beuno> skaet_d, so, peeking at your launchpad page, you've created an account only back in August
[01:21] <beuno> skaet_d, what's prompting you to apply for membership?
[01:21] <skaet_d> pleia2, sorry we missed each other too.
[01:22] <skaet_d> bueno since im doing the release it seemed logical to be a member :)
[01:23] <nhandler> skaet_d: Have you done any LoCo work?
[01:23]  * fagan remembers skaet_d did some great work last cycle doing the release work 
[01:25] <skaet_d> bueno, yup only joined in  Aug.  Before that I managed LTIB distrp
[01:26]  * skaet_d thanks fagan
[01:26] <beuno> skaet_d, do you feel the Ubuntu community is different from others?
[01:27] <skaet_d> nhandler no, attended event in london but thats a part of community im learning about
[01:29] <skaet_d> bueno, yes very different.  am enjoying it
[01:29] <skaet_d> embedded was fragmented
[01:30] <beuno> skaet_d, so what's different about it?
[01:30] <skaet_d> not as much  collaboration.
[01:31] <greg-g> in the embedded field, interesting
[01:32] <greg-g> possible due to the heavier influence of corporations than individuals, I'd guess
[01:32] <skaet_d> yup
[01:32] <skaet_d> hardware access played a role
[01:33] <skaet_d> no equivalent of code of conduct either....
[01:34] <greg-g> we do love our CoC here
[01:34] <beuno> skaet_d, so, you've been doing an awesome job as release manager
[01:35] <beuno> pumping in lots of energy!
[01:35] <beuno> thank you for doing that
[01:35] <skaet_d> i like the culture it creates
[01:35] <beuno> skaet_d, I do feel, though, it's a bit too early
[01:35] <skaet_d> bueno,thanks!!!
[01:35] <beuno> one of the requirements is a sustained contribution
[01:36] <beuno> and while you've done that in these 4 months, very well so
[01:36] <beuno> it feels like spending a bit more time getting involved in more areas, absorbing more of the community
[01:36] <beuno> would put you in smooth position to fly through this process
[01:37] <beuno> how wouuld you feel of re-applying in a couple of months?
[01:37] <skaet_d> hmm
[01:37] <beuno> I think we all agree that you're doing great, but feel a few more months under your belt would nail it
[01:38] <greg-g> yes, the private channel was in agreement that your contributions are looking splendid, but we've had to come up with a set definition of "sustained contributions" for other applicants and 6 months was what was decided.
[01:39] <skaet_d> would be nice to be able to release from Ubuntu  id... but will live with what is decided
[01:39] <greg-g> I understand, totally, but this is, I believe, the most fair thing for everyone who has applied under the same rules of "sustained contribution"
[01:40] <nhandler> skaet_d: I don't think most people will care. And if you keep up the great work, you very well might be an Ubuntu Member by the 11.04 release :)
[01:40]  * greg-g agrees
[01:40] <beuno> skaet_d, I want to stress that this in no way is a reflection on your work or contributions, it's just time is a hard thing to bend  :)
[01:41] <fagan> its a shame but im sure it will only be a matter of time, I really liked all the fresh energy that skaet_d put into the job :)
[01:42] <skaet_d> i just applied now because jono and robbiew s
[01:42] <skaet_d> suggested it
[01:43] <greg-g> I understand, and I think it should be made clear to managers at Canonical that the membership boards are bound by a "sustained contribution" criteria :/
[01:43] <doctormo> hey jcastro
[01:43] <jderose> i'm impressed that even canonical employees must go through same process... but obviously 6 month limit needs to be more clearly communicated to new hires :)
[01:44] <greg-g> is Vikram here yet?
[01:44] <skaet_d> yup
[01:44] <dinda> skaet_d: it never hurts to apply but most folks wait until they feel they are ready and have shown good community contributions
[01:44] <greg-g> alright, well, thanks everyone for coming to this meeting and congrats to jderose !
[01:44] <greg-g> #endmeeting
[01:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:44.
[01:45] <greg-g> skaet_d: I'm serious about you re-applying sometime this cycle
[01:45] <fagan> congrats jderose
[01:45] <jderose> greg-g: thanks again! :)
[01:46] <jderose> thanks fagan, thanks for endorsement :)
[01:46] <skaet_d> thanks greg-g
[01:46] <fagan> np jderose any time
[01:46] <fagan> later guys and gals
[01:47] <jderose> greg-g: so what do i need to do now, if anything, as far as my membership?
[01:47] <jderose> hi dnielsen_!
[01:47] <greg-g> jderose: I just added you to the LP team, which means you can now add yourself to the planet (there's a wiki page on that somewhere)
[01:48] <pleia2> jderose: your @ubuntu.com address will become active in a couple of days (there is a script that generates them every few days)
[01:48] <jderose> greg-g: fagan was telling me that i should request a irc cloak also?
[01:48] <greg-g> and if you want an "ubuntu/member/jderose" cloak on IRC, there's a way of getting that (another wiki page)
[01:48] <jderose> okay, wiki pages it is then :)
[01:48] <greg-g> yeah, not sure were the instructions are right now, I actually have to run, though. I'm sure google knows :)
[01:49] <jderose> greg-g: okay, thanks! later!
[01:53] <nhandler> jsalisbury: Just go and ask in #ubuntu-irc (make sure your IRC nick is on your LP page)
[03:09] <jsalisbury> nhandler, huh?
[03:09] <nhandler> jsalisbury: Tab fail, sorry
[03:09] <jsalisbury> nhandler, :-)
[04:21] <robbiew> wow...so you all blocked skaet because she hasn't been involved for 6mo....KNOWING in 2 more months she's practically automatic....seriously people...I'm all for not automatically approving Canonical employees, but she's the damn release manager!  I quote from the Ubuntu wiki on membership, "While there is no precise period that we look for, it is rare for applications to be accepted from people contributing for less
[09:16] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[09:35] <i5noc^3> hmm
[09:44] <i5noc^3> so
[09:45] <i5noc^3> the next meeting is the 21st?
[09:45] <bazhang> check the fridge
[09:46] <i5noc^3> interesting
[09:46] <i5noc^3> yeah
[09:46] <i5noc^3> i think this wont do it
[09:47] <i5noc^3> Well, for the record, i've come to a decision
[09:47] <bazhang> ?
[09:47] <i5noc^3> Gonna go ahead and disrupt the distro
[09:47] <i5noc^3> needs to die, i cant do that much but i can make life a living fucking hell
[09:47] <i5noc^3> so im' out later o/
[09:47] <bazhang> i5noc^3, watch the language
[16:00]  * skaet waves
[16:00] <Riddell> hi
[16:00]  * marjo waves
[16:01] <zul> hi
[16:01]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:01] <skaet> thanks!   looks like worth starting,  sorry about my connection problems.
[16:01] <cjwatson> hi
[16:01]  * rsalveti waves
[16:01]  * skaet tango-ing with murphy a bit today...
[16:01] <Daviey> o/
[16:02] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is skaet.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <seb128> hey
[16:02] <jdstrand> hi
[16:02] <skaet> hi all,  welcome to the last release team meeting of the year :)
[16:03] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.    If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:03] <skaet> [Topic] update on action items - skaet
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  update on action items - skaet
[16:03] <skaet> Tutorial on linker is in draft mode
[16:03] <skaet> Still gathering data on the RC vs. beta2 side - not forgotten :)
[16:04] <skaet> beyond that, anyone else have any updates to the action items from the last meetings?
[16:04] <skaet> ..
[16:04] <skaet> heh,  ok, not seeing any hands
[16:04] <skaet> so on to the round table.  :)
[16:05] <skaet> [Topic] QA team update - marjo
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:05] <marjo> # Alpha 2 Work Items
[16:05] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:05] <marjo>  * QA Efforts for UEC - Natty
[16:05] <marjo>  UEC testing blocked due to https://launchpad.net/bugs/684304 smb's patch confirmed to fix problem.
[16:05] <marjo>  * BugSquad Documentation Review
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:05] <marjo>  pvillavi on track
[16:05] <marjo>  * Bugsquad Roadmap
[16:05] <marjo>  bdmurray on track
[16:05] <marjo>  * Handling non-English bugs
[16:05] <marjo>  100% complete
[16:05] <marjo>  * hggdh in progress
[16:06] <marjo> hggdh will continue to work w/ kernel team on the blocking bug
[16:06] <marjo> # QA Dashboard
[16:06] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:07] <marjo> Note compiz & unity in top 5 packages list
[16:07] <marjo> dbarth: ^^^
[16:07] <marjo> # Desktop Automated Testing Summary
[16:07] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/summary.html
[16:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/summary.html
[16:08] <marjo> please note new summary format & please give us feedback on its usefulness and format
[16:08] <marjo> thanks to jibel for the beautiful formatting & content (of course)
[16:08] <marjo> ..
[16:09] <skaet> Thanks Marjo.   will hggdh be working next week on the blocking bug, or are we going to go on hold until the new year?
[16:09] <hggdh> I can, if needed (won't be going anywhere, and this is a real blocker
[16:09] <marjo> hggdh has already confirmed the proposed fix works but will need official patch soon
[16:09] <marjo> hggdh: thx for your commitment!
[16:10] <skaet> thanks hggdh!
[16:10] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:10] <marjo> skaet: that's it from us
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks marjo, hggdh.  :)
[16:11] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:11]  * skaet looks around and realizes she isn't seeing ara
[16:12] <skaet> victorp, you around?
[16:12] <skaet> hmm...
[16:13] <skaet> ok, lets see if one of them show up later...
[16:13] <marjo> skaet: just curious, what did you mean by needing update on boot metrics?
[16:13] <marjo> skaet: i'm getting current results from here: http://people.canonical.com/~ameetp/bootchart-weekly-summary.html
[16:14] <skaet> marjo, will double check the link - but I wasn't seeing data updated recently, with new natty.
[16:14] <marjo> skaet: i'll follow up w/ victorp
[16:14] <skaet> thanks.
[16:14] <skaet> moving on...
[16:14] <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:15] <jdstrand> hi
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:15] <skaet> hi :)
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <victorp> skaet - i am back
[16:15] <jdstrand> Not a lot to report again as we have again been focusing on non-natty duties this week. We have one open release-targeted/milestoned bug for natty: bug #690040. kees is working on the best way to do this with upstart and apparmor and will coordinate with pitti when the time is right. We have no pending features for alpha-2.
[16:15] <skaet> victorp, ack - we'll come back to you after jdstrand then.  :)
[16:15] <jdstrand> ..
[16:16] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand.  :)
[16:16] <jdstrand> sure
[16:16] <jdstrand> :)
[16:16] <skaet> any questions?
[16:16] <skaet> ok, lets go back victorp then.  :)
[16:17] <victorp> ok
[16:17] <victorp> how can I help?
[16:17] <victorp> in terms of Natty - no weekly test this week due to SRU testing
[16:17] <victorp> we will be doing weekly testing next week
[16:18] <victorp> and I will ping you the results (as next week fri is 24th)
[16:18] <skaet> cool.   thanks!    will that include boot tests for natty?
[16:18] <victorp> into the next year we are aiming for weekly testing that does run every week , ehem
[16:18]  * skaet :)
[16:19] <victorp> need to confirm that - I thought the get capture automatically with the weekly testing , but I will double check with the engineers
[16:19] <skaet> thanks - let me know.
[16:20] <skaet> any one have questions for victorp?
[16:20] <skaet> ok, will move on.
[16:20] <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update - apw
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - apw
[16:21] <apw> o/
[16:21] <skaet> :)
[16:21] <apw> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:21] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:21] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:21] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:21] <apw> We are progressing on our natty-alpha-2 items, but as a number of smaller natty-alpha-1 items bled over we are somewhat over (but returning towards) the line currently.  The remaining pushed out items are listed with background on the overall status above (first link).  Overall burndown we are well below the line, so we should be able to catch up.
[16:21] <apw> Of the bugs called out on the agenda: #542660 requires more testing and is not yet forthcoming; #566437 looks to only affect a limited number of upgrades from karmic, investigation continues; #600453 looks likely a gfxpayload=keep issue, testing requested; #681866 is likely a _boot_ issue too and testing with gfxpayload=keep requested; #682617 looks to be a pulseaudio/alsa configuration issue, and awaits testing; #684304 looks to be a device discovery
[16:21] <apw>  issue and we may have identified the patch required to resolve this; and #630748 requires a firmware fix from Intel which is not yet available.
[16:21] <apw> The main distro kernel is now rebased forward to mainline v2.6.37-rc6 and published.  The kernel carries further fixes for the NX issues we have been seeing as well as an ext4 corruption fix (which triggers under very high load).  All of the Ubuntu drivers are finally re-enabled in this upload.
[16:21] <apw> ..
[16:21] <skaet> thanks apw.  :)
[16:21] <apw> np :)
[16:22] <skaet> good to know you'll be able to catch up.   The overall feature burndowns are starting to look a bit concerning.
[16:22] <skaet> will be starting to ask more questions about them in january :P
[16:22] <apw> skaet, yep, we are mostly holding over small items which are not a large amount of work, or non-release critical items like docuentation
[16:23] <apw> skaet, so things are better than they look in reality
[16:23] <apw> ..
[16:23] <skaet> good to know.
[16:23] <skaet> in terms of the blocker,  will someone be working it next week?
[16:23] <apw> skaet, which is the blocker ?
[16:24] <skaet> per marjo,  684304
[16:24] <apw> bug #684304
[16:24] <marjo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/684304
[16:24] <marjo> apw: ^^^
[16:24] <apw> skaet, ah ok, yes i am aware of that one, we have requested further testing there, there is a likely cause identified
[16:24] <marjo> apw: hggdh is working w/ smb on it
[16:25] <apw> skaet, and i am in next week, so if its a blocker, then hggdh needs to talk to me instead ... smb has briefed me, and i have put further test kernels in the bug
[16:25] <apw> ..
[16:25] <hggdh> apw: I updated the bug with the results of your kernel
[16:25] <apw> hggdh, awsome, will check
[16:25] <skaet> thanks apw, hggdh.  :)
[16:25] <tgardner> skaet, apw and myself are the only 2 kernel team members that will be around next week
[16:25] <marjo> apw: thx!
[16:26]  * skaet glad to know that tgardner and apw will be around.
[16:26] <skaet> any other questions for apw?
[16:26]  * tgardner may bug out for a ski day :)
[16:26] <skaet> Thanks apw!
[16:26] <skaet> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:27] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html - still below the trend line but becoming a bit more of a fight to stay that way, mostly due to late work items
[16:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html - still below the trend line but becoming a bit more of a fight to stay that way, mostly due to late work items
[16:27] <cjwatson> Matthias asked me to pass on this Python update:
[16:27] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty - 2 out of 6 alpha-2 milestoned bugs fixed today, still more work needed
 python2.7: the archive should be in a state where it is upgradable without removing any packages (except for a handful).
 people upgrading from maverick should first upgrade to -updates
 people upgrading from early natty should be aware of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/689306
 I plan to send a followup on the python upgrade this weekend
 outstanding packages are: ethos, gapti, python-drizzle, python-hildon (removal request filed), xen-3.3
 the next step would be looking at packages which only depend on python2.6/libpython2.6 and address these
 after that, we could try to remove 2.6, or delay that for the sprint
[16:27] <cjwatson> Other feature news this week:
[16:27] <cjwatson>  - GRUB should now be picking a better resolution and setting a background colour that matches plymouth; blacklist infrastructure is waiting in NEW; text-free boot should now be well on its way
[16:27] <cjwatson>  - debconf ported to GtkAssistant, getting rid of libgnome2-perl (thanks janimo and pitti)
[16:27] <cjwatson>  - component-mismatches looking much cleaner now than last week
[16:28] <cjwatson>  - new upstart release: manual stanza, debug stanza, new properties to support bridges and visualisation, new signals to support plymouth integration
[16:28] <cjwatson>   - on their way: socket activation (draft code), chroot and user sessions (draft code), override files (WIP)
[16:28] <cjwatson> ..
[16:28] <skaet> cjwatson, re: workitems, thanks.   do we need to start to look at moving some to alpha3?
[16:28] <cjwatson> that's the cycle-wide graph
[16:28] <skaet> ack
[16:29] <cjwatson> we may need to start looking at deferring some, but would prefer to do that at the sprint
[16:29] <skaet> sounds reasonable.
[16:29] <skaet> what's coverage going to be like over the next 2 weeks from the foundations team?
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'm afraid we've not been doing very strict subcycle tracking this time round
[16:30] <robbiew> cjwatson: I blame your manager :/
[16:30] <skaet> lol
[16:31] <skaet> robbiew,  who on foundations team will be around next week?
[16:31] <cjwatson> I was just looking up the holiday calendar
[16:31] <skaet> ahh,  sorry
[16:32] <cjwatson> ow, it's even less readable since the reskinning
[16:32] <robbiew> yeah
[16:32] <robbiew> let's move on, and I'll send out an email
[16:32] <skaet> okie.
[16:32] <robbiew> to ubuntu-devel/release
[16:32] <skaet> [Topic] Server team update - zul
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - zul
[16:32] <cjwatson> looks like Keybuk, doko, jhunt, probably a few others
[16:32] <zul> hi
[16:33] <cjwatson> I'll be around until Tue
[16:33] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:33] <zul> * Not much to report, We are currently progressing well on
[16:33] <zul>   our natty-alpha-2 items, good progress have been made on
[16:33] <zul>   the install-service spec.
[16:33] <zul> * With respect to the axis2c bug, it was not looked at this week
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:33] <zul>   but it remains on our radar.
[16:33] <zul> * xen-tools will be looked at today as well by me.
[16:33] <zul> * congrats on skaet getting her ubuntu membership.
[16:33] <zul> ..
[16:33] <skaet> thanks for the good wishes zul, but didn't get it I'm afraid.    next time, I hope.
[16:34] <zul> oh that sucks :)
[16:34] <robbiew> grrrrr
[16:35] <skaet> no worries.   patience is something I'm pretty good at :)
[16:35] <skaet> thanks for the update from the server side.
[16:35] <skaet> any questions for zul?
[16:36] <skaet> (and thanks to cjwatson for the update about the foundations team for next week)
[16:36] <skaet> zul, who's going to be around next week from your team?
[16:36] <Daviey> In regards to the axis2c, i really hoped we could get some help from doko - but i can see he's been busy with other things.
[16:36] <zul> skaet: hmm....good question, robbiew?
[16:36] <Daviey> skaet: Will the meeting be happening on the 24th?
[16:37] <skaet> Daviey, thanks for the update.   Was wondering a bit about it.   Will wait until the python backlog clears out before asking again then.  ;)
[16:37] <Daviey> sounds fair :)
[16:37] <apw> skaet, perhaps move it up a day as many will travel on the 24th i suspect
[16:37] <skaet> Daviey, nope.   this will be last one of the year.
[16:37] <zul> skaet: im not sure but robbiew could maybe anser
[16:37] <skaet> apw,  I don't think we'll have quorum, even then.
[16:38] <apw> skaet, ack, we can have 1:1 instead
[16:38] <apw> ( :) )
[16:38] <robbiew> lol
[16:38] <skaet> zul, fair enough.  looks like robbiew's connection is being a bit flaky.
[16:38] <robbiew> nah...just switched machines ;)
[16:38] <skaet> awp, lol.  any time.
[16:39] <robbiew> fwiw, +1 on no meeting on the 24th
[16:39] <ScottK> Or the next week either.
[16:39] <joshuahoover> robbiew, ScottK: +1
[16:40] <skaet> yup.   no meeting until january is the plan.  :)   Will clean up the calendar after this.
[16:40] <skaet> robbiew, any update though on who'll be around?
[16:41] <robbiew> not yet
[16:41] <skaet> ok, since I'll need to leave for the airport in a bit, will continue on...
[16:41] <robbiew> in terms of Canonical folks...I'll need some time to decipher our admin webpage
[16:41] <zul> skaet: im sure there will be people from the server tam lurking around
[16:41] <skaet> ack
[16:41] <joshuahoover> robbiew: good luck with that
[16:41] <skaet> thanks guys.
[16:41] <robbiew> yeah...they have no real lives
[16:41] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop team update - kenvandine
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - kenvandine
[16:42] <seb128> hey
[16:42] <skaet> sorry seb128....
[16:42] <seb128> so no pitti, and kenvandine had issue dues to the weather and school
[16:42] <skaet> thought ken was covering...
[16:42] <seb128> so I'm representing desktop (but quite unprepared)
[16:42] <skaet> please go ahead.  :)
[16:42] <seb128> he was supposed to...
[16:42] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:42] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:43] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:43] <seb128> the summary is on the wiki
[16:43] <seb128> basically we are mostly clean with the python rebuild for the desktop
[16:43] <seb128> pitti work on CD space continued
[16:43] <seb128> we have some issues with GTK3 theming that will need discussion
[16:44] <seb128> (basically theming changed and we will need to rewrite a theme)
[16:44] <seb128> (if we use gtk3 this cycle)
[16:44] <seb128> we had a gir abi naming transition as well
[16:44] <seb128> to follow debian
[16:44] <seb128> that's mostly done now
[16:44] <seb128> and the last unity drop from the year is being worked
[16:44] <seb128> (I will land it shortly)
[16:45] <seb128> I think that's it
[16:45] <seb128> our team coverage will be low next week
[16:45] <seb128> didrocks pitti and I are on holidays
[16:45] <seb128> other people will probably be away some days as well
[16:45] <skaet> thank you.  good summary.   heh, you pre-empted my first question.   :)    any feel for the workitems for alpha2 - will be needing to defer some?
[16:46] <seb128> oh, right we are a bit behind
[16:46]  * skaet figures that jasoncwarner will be around, and he can help find folk, if there are any critical issues ;)
[16:46] <seb128> oneconf is a "would be nice to have"
[16:46] <seb128> we can drop that one
[16:47] <seb128> same for the telepathy approver
[16:47] <seb128> without those we should be on shape
[16:47] <seb128> we will probably drop those at the sprint if required
[16:47] <skaet> good to know.   thanks.
[16:48] <skaet> will keep an eye on it then.
[16:48] <skaet> any one else have questions for seb128?
[16:48] <skaet> Thanks seb128!  :)
[16:48] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[16:48] <skaet> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:49] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:49] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above
[16:49] <joshuahoover> we're "this close" (imagine my thumb and index finger together) to releasing desktopcouch along with a new python-couchdb package...we ran into an issue earlier this week where desktopcouch was not pairing with ubuntu one properly...that fix is being merged and then we'll be doing a release
[16:49] <joshuahoover> we got our zeitgeist work into the latest release of ubuntuone-client this week
[16:49] <joshuahoover> the beginning of the new year should see our work for selecting which folders you want to sync on your computer land and then it's on to more blueprints and bug fixing
[16:50]  * skaet keeps her fingers crossed desktopcouch
[16:50] <joshuahoover> and that's about it for u1 this week
[16:50] <joshuahoover> ..
[16:50] <skaet> sounds good
[16:50] <skaet> who's going to be around next week?
[16:51] <joshuahoover> skaet: it will be rather sparse...Chipaca should be around most of the week i believe
[16:52] <skaet> okie,  good to know.
[16:52] <skaet> any other questions for joshuahoover?
[16:52] <dbarth> joshuahoover: a pointer to the zeitgeist feature?
[16:53] <dbarth> joshuahoover: but we can see that offline, just curiosity
[16:53] <skaet> will move along then.
[16:53] <skaet> Thanks joshuahoover! :)
[16:54] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - riddell
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - riddell
[16:55] <Riddell> hi
[16:55] <skaet> hi
[16:55] <Riddell>  * KDE built on ARM and PowerPC in natty (except KOffice which is building now and completed fine in PPA and KDevelop which is broken everywhere)
[16:55] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.4.5 in lucid-proposed for testing
[16:55] <skaet> yay
[16:55] <ScottK> We even have (oversized) live CD images for powerpc.
[16:56] <skaet> woohoo....  cool.
[16:56] <skaet> any other updates?
[16:57] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[16:57] <skaet> or questions for Riddell, ScottK ?
[16:58] <ScottK> While we're waiting, I'll throw in that with KDE 4.6 beta2 the switch to upower/udisks from hal is looking much better.
[16:58] <Riddell> that's all
[16:58] <skaet> Thanks ScottK, Riddell :)
[16:58] <Riddell> yes, hal is gone
[16:58] <skaet> :)
[16:58] <skaet> ok,  will move on then...
[16:59] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:59] <dbarth> hi
[16:59] <skaet> hi
[16:59] <dbarth> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:59] <dbarth> status report as usual
[16:59] <dbarth> so we're landing today 3.2.8, the new weekly update of unity
[17:00] <dbarth> basically we're getting to the end of the launcher development and should be pretty much feature complete now
[17:00] <dbarth> similarly, the panel got a big update as well with the integration of the latest global menu specification
[17:00] <dbarth> on the bug front, we're struggling with compiz bugs
[17:01] <dbarth> new bugs, on the new codebase, which explains why we're not really on the old codebase bugs
[17:01] <dbarth> today the challenge is to resolve some really weird regressions with window z-order being rather... well interesting, but not terribly usable
[17:02] <skaet> heh
[17:02] <dbarth> on the foundations side, ie dbusmenu et al, libdee finally landed with a shinny new gdbus backend
[17:03] <dbarth> testing, we have startup perf. counters finally in unity and soon compiz as well; we can draw pretty graphs
[17:03] <dbarth> we'll have a synthetic perf. indicator next week
[17:03] <skaet> neat
[17:03] <dbarth> that's about it for this week
[17:04] <skaet> ..?
[17:04] <skaet> ;)
[17:04] <dbarth> oh, and we've just finalized some reinforcement plans for a11y which has proved more difficult than expected
[17:04] <dbarth> so the situation should improve early in January
[17:05] <dbarth> uh, bug front, ie milestoned bugs: they haven't changed since last week, but we haven't really moved on them either; they were on the old codebase, and we're struggling on the new one now mostly
[17:05] <dbarth> questions?
[17:05] <skaet> Thanks for the explanation about the bugs earlier was wondering about that influx this week.  :p
[17:05] <marjo> dbarth: do you plan to go back and work on those old bugs, or do you intend to close them as invalid?
[17:06] <skaet> who's going to be around next week?
[17:06] <dbarth> next week, alex launi will be probably the main representative
[17:06] <skaet> okie.   thanks!
[17:06] <dbarth> but i'll be around 1h a day to take care of the current affairs
[17:06] <skaet> :)
[17:07] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!   any other questions before I move on?
[17:07] <skaet> [Topic] ARM team update - rsalveti
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - rsalveti
[17:07] <rsalveti> Full Status at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:07] <rsalveti> ..
[17:07] <rsalveti> - Latest working OMAP4 image is from 20101214, latest were broken because of archive inconsistence
[17:07] <rsalveti> - New kernel for OMAP4, still based on 2.6.35 but now with working PM and USB OTG
[17:07] <rsalveti> - FTBFS is smaller due the Qt fix, but unfortunately ghc6 is blocking a lot of haskell related packages (takes 32 hours to build and many times does not succeed)
[17:07] <rsalveti> - Firefox is currently crashing on ARM (bug 690445)
[17:07] <rsalveti> - Still some open SRU bugs left
[17:07] <rsalveti> - No much WI done, mostly because of people on vacation and blocking issues with the ARM PPA blueprint
[17:07] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> Image Status
[17:08] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> - Latest working one is from 20101214
[17:08] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> Work Items
[17:08] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[17:08] <rsalveti> - Next Milestone http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html - some will probably move to alpha 3, but we'd like wait and do that over the sprint
[17:08] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> Bugs
[17:08] <rsalveti> ..
[17:08] <rsalveti> - Bug 686320 released and Network Manager is working again at ARM
[17:08] <rsalveti> unfortunately we're behind on the wi
[17:09] <rsalveti> we'll probably start moving some to alpha 3 soon, as currently all our WI are target to alpha-2
[17:09] <rsalveti> that's most of it
[17:10] <rsalveti> next week I'll be around, probably with janimo and GrueMaster
[17:10] <rsalveti> and everybody should be back in january
[17:10] <rsalveti> ..
[17:10] <skaet> Thanks rsalveti!   ack on waiting to the sprint for the milestone moves.  will keep an eye on it.   and thanks the info on coverage.  :)
[17:10] <rsalveti> sure, thanks :-)
[17:10] <rsalveti> ..
[17:10] <skaet> anyone else has questions?
[17:11]  * skaet appreciates rsalvetti using .., and having answers ready before I asked ;)
[17:11] <rsalveti> :-)
[17:11] <skaet> [Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:12] <ScottK> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ is still concerning.  i386/amd64 are about four times what they were at release I think due mostly to gcc4.5 and linking changes.  armel and powerpc are about double.
[17:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ is still concerning.  i386/amd64 are about four times what they were at release I think due mostly to gcc4.5 and linking changes.  armel and powerpc are about double.
[17:12] <ScottK> Python transition seems to be making good progress.
[17:12] <ScottK> Mostly due to the work doko and barry are doing.
[17:12] <ScottK> Getting the (I know still pending) docs done on how to deal with the linking issues will be a help.
[17:12] <ScottK> ..
[17:13] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!  :)
[17:13] <skaet> allison has a draft in flight right now, so hopefully today/early next week it will broadcast.
[17:13]  * ScottK nods
[17:14]  * skaet thanks doko and allison for putting it together :)
[17:14] <ScottK> It might be nice to make it public while still draft so community people can contribute.
[17:14] <skaet> they will, just don't want to confuse things further.
[17:14] <skaet> its on a wiki
[17:14] <skaet> ... or will be shortly.
[17:15] <skaet> who'll be around over the next week?
[17:16] <skaet> ScottK, ^^^
[17:16] <ScottK> I'll be around through Thursday.
[17:16] <ScottK> On and off after that.
[17:16] <skaet> cool.   Thanks.
[17:16] <ScottK> The community is diverse enough someone's almost always here.
[17:16] <skaet> :)
[17:17] <skaet> any other questions for ScottK ?
[17:17] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!
[17:18] <skaet> [Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:18]  * skaet looks around for JamieBennett?
[17:19] <skaet> hmm..
[17:19] <skaet> [Topic] any other kudos/comments/concerns?
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other kudos/comments/concerns?
[17:20] <skaet> ok, I'll take the silence and absence of hands as my queue to wrap this up.    :)
[17:20] <skaet> Best wishes to everyone for safe and happy holidays.
[17:21] <robbiew> thnx skaet!  Hopefully the Jedi Counsel approves your membership next time around...may the force be with you!!!! :P
[17:21] <skaet> LOL
[17:21] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:21.
[17:22] <skaet> Thanks marjo, victorp, jdstrand, apw, cjwatson, seb128, zul, joshuahoover,  dbarth, rsalveti,  ScottK, robbiew :)
[17:22] <seb128> thanks
[17:22] <rsalveti> thanks skaet
[17:22] <apw> and skaet
[17:22] <joshuahoover> thank you skaet
[17:22] <zul> np thanks
[17:22] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:23] <victorp> skaet - thanks and merry xmas!
[17:23] <marjo> skaet: thx!
[17:23] <skaet> merry christmas victorp, and everyone who celebrates it.  Happy holidays to everyone else.  :)
[17:24]  * skaet heading out to airport now, for her flight.    
[17:25] <victorp> skaet indeed!
[17:53] <frivolo^379f^> Ciao a tutti :)))