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tsimpsonCarlFK1, h00k, nixternal: remember to identify (blame the recent netsplits)06:45
cdbsCan someone please modify the #ubuntu+1 topic, remove about the sudo update thing and also remove the python rebuilds, instead add: Gir ABI change rebuilds going on, please wait until all packages are rebuilt and be aware of partial upgrades06:50
IdleOnecdbs: done06:51
cdbsthanks IdleOne06:51
Myrttiwonder what akshatj was up to06:51
cdbsMyrtti: which channel?06:51
Myrttihere06:51
bazhangsomething about 'jason was made a member' in -ot06:52
ubottuIn #ubuntu, jeus said: ubottu,cdbs this language is persian  not arabic07:37
ubottuActionParsnip called the ops in #ubuntu ()08:13
Myrttioh lord08:15
i5noc^3Myrtti:08:18
i5noc^31s08:19
MyrttiI'm waiting08:20
i5noc^3kback08:20
i5noc^3sorry had to answer the phone @work08:20
i5noc^3ok so the dood wants a 'light' / 'small' system to start with so he can play ok?08:21
i5noc^3server install is indeed light and small08:21
i5noc^3COMPARITIVELY lol08:21
i5noc^3but its neither light nor small08:21
MyrttiI'm waiting for you to get to the point08:21
i5noc^3 hey im not that other asshat i'm gonna show my work08:21
i5noc^3be patient08:21
i5noc^3your a client facing op chill08:22
i5noc^3https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/preparing-to-install.html08:23
i5noc^3ok08:23
i5noc^3Disk space on an absolutely minimal installation can be reduced to as little as 600 MB. A fresh and clean command-line system of Ubuntu 8.04 generally takes only 450 MB, although there will be minor variations on account of hardware differences. If you have only 64 MB of memory, you will need to reserve more disk space for swap.08:24
i5noc^3frin kiwnen08:24
i5noc^3grr fingers misplaced = thats from lowmem08:24
i5noc^3from server install link above: Base System 500 megabytes // All Tasks Installed 1 gigabyte08:25
i5noc^3now i've done several thousand installs of this thing08:25
i5noc^3and been part of the project since 5.0408:25
i5noc^3quite simply, the command-line install from the ALTERNATE iso is indeed a lighter and smaller install, compared to server08:26
i5noc^3so08:26
i5noc^3when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?08:26
i5noc^3server is small, but command-line is smaller right?08:26
mneptokhint: part of what i say would not be "bite me"08:26
i5noc^3mneptok: probably08:27
i5noc^3i make no apologies for my offtopic banter.08:27
mneptokit's not the offtopicness that bothers me as the itter lack of respect. it's like calling someone an "asshat." which you also did.08:27
mneptok*utter08:28
i5noc^3sure.08:28
i5noc^3i wont lie or apologize.08:28
i5noc^3moving past that.08:28
i5noc^308:26 < i5noc^3> when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?08:28
mneptokthen you will be banned for failing to follow the IRC Guidelines and the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct08:28
mneptokas someone with your deep history in the project should know, those documents are very important.08:28
i5noc^3mneptok: the policies of the irc channel do not reflect the user base's desires in any meaningful form08:29
i5noc^3we can debate that another day though.08:29
tsimpsonwe don't ask that you agree with the rules, we only require you to abide by them08:29
i5noc^3s/channel/channels08:29
i5noc^3tsimpson: look.08:29
i5noc^3nvm ill just ignore that08:30
i5noc^3one last time08:30
i5noc^308:26 < i5noc^3> when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?08:30
i5noc^3either get together and do installs and see for yourself08:30
i5noc^3or agree with your own documentation08:30
mneptoki answered you.08:30
i5noc^3sure u should call me on the crap talking which you have08:30
mneptokit would not be "bite me"08:30
i5noc^3mneptok: thats not what you would answer, but instead what you would not, correct? (hint: yes)08:31
i5noc^3anyway08:31
mneptoki don't care how correct or incorrect you are. that topic is not something i am discussing. i am telling you that your tone, demeanor, and attitude are going to get you banned. no matter how right you are.08:31
i5noc^3learn to read, and know the docs, and learn to know the limitation of them08:31
Myrttior wrong08:31
i5noc^3mneptok: you can only ban part of me lol08:32
i5noc^3i wasnt gonna bring it up08:32
i5noc^3*shrugs*08:32
Myrttihint: threatening or promising banevasion isn't earning you brownie points08:32
tsimpsonyou do realise that ban-evading is a violation of freenode policy08:32
tsimpson?08:32
i5noc^3tsimpson: i know policy quite well.08:33
i5noc^3and its not evading if the users are already there08:33
tsimpsonthen you know not to violate it08:33
i5noc^3its an inefficiant ban08:34
i5noc^3plz sir dont treat me like the usual plebes you deal with08:34
tsimpsonwe let staff deal with what is and is not a violation08:34
i5noc^3good08:35
i5noc^3then lets get back to what is appropriate here08:35
i5noc^3you quit blustering, and admit that i'm rite?08:35
tsimpsonerm, right on what issue? that your attitude and language were not in violation of our channel rules?08:36
i5noc^3nope08:36
i5noc^3thats not why im here08:36
tsimpsonthen it's not appropriate for this channel08:36
i5noc^3actually....08:36
Myrttiall I did was to tell you to take your discussion over whatever alt-server-mini should be installed somewhere else instead of hogging the channel from support08:37
i5noc^31s08:37
i5noc^3For Operators08:37
i5noc^3We are able to provide assistance to operators of Ubuntu channels.08:37
i5noc^3lol! nice bump to the ego, ops are not operators08:38
tsimpsonI assume you know how to read a channel topic, please read the topic of this channel08:38
i5noc^3yeah thats why i went to the link, still reading hold on08:39
Myrttias far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to discuss, I don't care which is smaller, alt, mini, server or whatnot. As long as that discussion isn't hogging #ubuntu, it's all nice and dandy and candy floss and ponyrides to me08:40
tsimpsonwe are not discussing who was right or wrong, simply what the channel rules are08:40
i5noc^3In #ubuntu-ops you will be able to publicly discuss the matter with other Ubuntu operators. Please join this channel for conflict escalation/resolution and not #ubuntu-devel. The people in there cannot and will not help you. If no other ops are available, you can contact the IRC council via the ubuntu-irc mailinglist.08:40
tsimpsonno other discussion is required08:40
i5noc^3there we go08:40
i5noc^3mm08:40
i5noc^3ok fine08:40
i5noc^3yall changed it08:40
i5noc^3!ops trigger wasnt abused cause i was being a dick08:40
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)08:40
i5noc^3srry ubottu08:40
i5noc^3but, i'm 90% certain somewhere in there is something about issues with ops08:41
i5noc^3which is why i'm here08:41
Myrttiand the issue with ops is exactly what? that you think I've got my facts wrong?08:41
i5noc^3quite.08:41
tsimpsonyou were asked to move your discussion out of #ubuntu, if you are finished with the discussion then there is no issue08:41
i5noc^3tsimpson: the discussion was never off topic08:42
Myrttithen it's not an issue that this channel can help with08:42
tsimpsonit was08:42
i5noc^3we were speaking of ubuntu and various installs08:42
i5noc^3comparing them, for the gentleman that needed assistance08:42
jpdsAlright.08:42
i5noc^3i was a bit roudy with the tounge sure, but facts are facts.08:42
tsimpsonjust because it concerns Ubuntu, does not make it on-topic for #ubuntu08:42
i5noc^3command-line install is lighter than server install08:43
i5noc^3an op whom says otherwise is spreading disinformation08:43
i5noc^3THAT hurts ubuntu as a whole08:43
tsimpsonregardless, the discussion has passed, the issue is over08:43
i5noc^3tsimpson: the issue is not over.08:43
i5noc^3thats the whole point08:43
i5noc^3case in point:08:43
i5noc^308:26 < i5noc^3> server is small, but command-line is smaller right?08:44
i5noc^308:26 <+mneptok> hint: part of what i say would not be "bite m08:44
i5noc^3how many times we gotta say the same thing?08:44
Myrttii5noc^3: so what do you suggest I do? resign as an op because I don't have time or patience to learn about every miniscule difference between different flavours of Ubuntu and installing it?08:44
i5noc^3mneptok: and thats you being contrary to your own docs08:44
Myrttior do you want to give me a lecture on the subject?08:44
tsimpsonas I said, we are not discussing who is right and who is wrong in your discussion08:44
i5noc^3ive never nor will ever sign the 'coc' but just learn a few facts08:44
i5noc^3Myrtti: yes08:44
i5noc^3you should know almost everything08:44
i5noc^3thats EXACTLY it08:44
Myrttii5noc^3: so you have, move on08:44
tsimpsonyour signing the CoC is not required, it's a rule if you want to use #ubuntu08:45
tsimpsonif you don't wish to abide by it, choose another channel08:45
i5noc^3tsimpson: the only way you can enforce that is by ensuring that the only ppl who get in have done so08:45
i5noc^3as we have learned from elua's just having the text there means nothing legally, and this isnt even on that level of an agreement08:45
jpdsi5noc^3: Ew, how dull; I'd rather not know all the details about Xubuntu, Umbungo and every other thing anyone else comes up with and leave it for their experts.08:45
tsimpsonno, we choose the rules for our channel, those rules just so happen to contain the same as the CoC + the IRC Guidelines08:45
i5noc^3jpds: yes thats correct, you should08:45
jpdsi5noc^3: No.08:46
i5noc^3and the ops whom are there should be exactly those experts08:46
i5noc^3but thats another discussion, and this is not the place/time really since no one's voting today08:46
tsimpsonops are _not_ required to be experts in Ubuntu, that is not something we are going to change because you disagree08:46
i5noc^3oh i never said you would change it08:46
i5noc^3i expect the same 08:26 < i5noc^3> server is small, but command-line is smaller right?08:47
i5noc^3grr08:47
i5noc^3i expect the same mediocrity from the ops as i do from the team08:47
i5noc^3but again thats another issue.08:47
tsimpsonlovely, so we have nothing more to discuss08:47
i5noc^3please stay on topic. (omg im saying that?)08:47
MyrttiI can't even make sense of what you think is correct08:47
i5noc^3ok lets review08:47
tsimpsonlet's not08:47
i5noc^3lightest install of ubuntu?08:47
tsimpsonand say we did08:47
jpdsMyrtti: He wants us to be walking encyclopedias.08:47
i5noc^3lets do and say we didnt?08:48
i5noc^3jpds: no i dont want you to, you must be08:48
i5noc^3if you cannot tell correct from incorrect information you perpetuate ignorance08:48
i5noc^3way to go windows!08:48
knomeplease stop this madness...08:48
tsimpsonfor the _Very_ last time, we are not discussing who was and was not correct in your discussion in #ubuntu08:48
i5noc^3tsimpson: we actually are.08:48
tsimpsonno, we aren't08:48
MyrttiI don't think I've even confirmed or unconfirmed who's right and who's wrong08:48
i5noc^3i'm not bringing up the person from the channel, i'm merely bringing up the op08:48
i5noc^3Myrtti: nope08:48
i5noc^3Myrtti: thank you for paying attn08:49
tsimpsonthen you are in the wrong channel08:49
i5noc^3tsimpson: wrong08:49
Myrttii5noc^3: so if I've not said my opinion what method of installation is the smallest, then I've not given wrong information either08:49
i5noc^3lets see...08:49
i5noc^31s08:49
tsimpsonno, we are done now08:49
tsimpsongoodbye08:49
i5noc^308:15 < Myrtti> i5noc^3: minimal iso is the basis of all installation options, including server, alternate and desktop. server includes in addition to the minimal server optimized kernels and modules.  alternate can be is meaningful only with desktop installations with quirky hardware or encryption or other more advanced needs.08:49
i5noc^3ring a bell?08:50
i5noc^3as in wrong information?08:50
i5noc^3this is the RIGHT channel for a wrong answer from an op08:50
knomeno08:50
knometsimpson, thanks08:50
tsimpsoni5noc^3: feel free to /part08:50
jpdsLife's too short to hold such a quantity of information in one's head when it can be easily looked up in documentation.08:51
Myrttithe last time I checked, to the extent that I need for my personal usage, that was correct. If it's not, then I'm wrong, and life goes on.08:51
* Tm_T watches the snow outside08:52
jpdsI was promised snow, but have only have patches of ice. :(08:53
MyrttiI wish next time AtomicSpark doesn't call the ops to resolve a feud like that08:53
tsimpsoni5noc^3: is there something we can help you with?08:54
tsimpsonindeed08:55
tsimpsoni5noc^3: I'm sure you're not listening to me, this is the 4th? time I've said that we are not discussing that08:57
tsimpsoni5noc^3: it's not08:57
tsimpsonyou are currently quieted, only someone with +o can read your messages08:58
tsimpsonI think you have disturbed everyone else enough08:58
tsimpsonif you are going to continue discussing that, you will be removed again08:59
jpdsOK.09:01
Myrttirefreshing to be reminded every now and then that I'm an idiot09:03
ikoniai5noc^3 is now starting in #ubuntu-irc09:08
knomeMyrtti, you're a wonderful idiot :]09:08
ikoniawhy is he back in #ubuntu ?09:08
Myrttihe has never been kicked09:08
Myrttior banned09:09
Myrttiwell "never" might be an overstatement09:09
Myrttibut I don't think he's been today09:09
ikoniaoh, I thought that nick was banned any how09:09
jpdsWho's Nick?09:09
Myrttihe was rude, was told off for that, and didn't persist on the offtopic when I told him to take the soap box elsewhere09:10
Myrttiso I don't see why he should09:10
ikoniajust checked BT he's not banned, I thought I recognised the nick09:11
Myrttiso did I09:11
ikoniatsimpson: please shut this guy up, it's a complete waste of time09:11
MyrttiI'm starting to feel somewhat nauseous by now. How can I make him shut up and not add into my misery of today?09:12
jpdsI do not intend to know everything about Xubuntu, just to do op duty in #ubuntu for instance.09:12
jpdsAs an example.09:12
ikoniahe's wrong anyway, a command line install isn't smaller than a base server install, but it doesn't really matter as the difference is a few meg either side09:13
ikoniatsimpson: kudos to you09:14
Myrttioh GOD09:15
ikoniahave you read his comments in freenode a few hours ago09:16
ikoniait's clear he wants to be or find an issue in any channel he's in09:16
jpdsikonia: Paste or it didn't happen.09:16
MyrttiI just read it09:17
MyrttiI feel like crying09:17
Myrttiplease please please be far far away from Finland or UK09:17
ikoniahttp://pastebin.com/0wbJmFAX09:17
ikoniathat's his initial join,09:17
Myrtti*sigh* Atlanta, Georgia, US09:18
jpdsWow.09:18
* jpds adds to ban-on-sight list.09:19
Tm_TMyrtti: did you instruct actionparsnip of his ops trigger usage or shall ?09:22
Tm_T+I09:22
MyrttiTm_T: I don't know what to say to him to be honest. I don't even know if using the trigger was right or wrong09:22
Myrttiall I know is that I feel like another 6months of hiatus might be a good idea09:22
Tm_Tit was wrongly used trigger IMO09:23
bazhanghe's now in -meeting, nothing so far though09:43
bazhangmade some kind of threat, not clear what it is though09:49
Myrttibrilliant, I'm so nervous I just dropped my talcum powder on the floor09:51
Myrttithe whole place reeks of white baby powder now09:51
* Tm_T huggles Myrtti09:51
bazhangapologies Myrtti09:51
Myrttibazhang: it's just a bad day for me09:52
bazhangah sorry to hear that09:52
Myrttiannual doctors checkup, I hate changing my daily schedules and especially for doctors/dentist appointments09:52
Myrttiand I hate fridays09:53
knomehate fridays? oooo09:53
MyrttiI hate pretty much every day apart from Saturday09:54
topylimake sure to mention your hatred of fridays to the doctor, it might be a symptom of something serious! :)09:55
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Myrttiit's a sign of being constantly overstressed09:58
topyliwhich of course qualifies as "something serious" and should be fixed10:22
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ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Arpit)11:42
IdleOneinteresting scroll back13:21
IdleOneglad i went to sleep13:21
IdleOneHello rwg13:26
rwghi13:26
IdleOneHow can I help you today?13:26
rwgI'm fine.13:26
IdleOnethat is good13:26
IdleOnewas there anything you needed from the ubuntu ops team?13:27
rwgnope13:28
IdleOneok, well in that case I will refer you to the channel topic and the part about not idling here.13:29
rwgwondering why I got flooded with your banlist several times when I joined13:29
IdleOneyou got flooded with the ban list?13:29
rwgbut that's more of a client/bouncer issue13:29
IdleOneyeah, I was going to say.13:29
ikoniai5noc^3 came back to ##linux/#debian/##windows/$other channels and tried to provoke idoru to kick him, so he could complain about it13:38
IdleOneikonia: what I liked about that whole conversation in the scroll back, all I did was skim it really, but got the impression that "we" are a bunch of idiots and "he" was here to make it clear to us.13:41
MyrttiIdleOne: I don't even want to know what he would have done if my gender would have become apparent13:42
IdleOnewell, surely that would explain your lack of understanding13:42
Myrttijudging from how he behaved towards jayne at #freenode, I've got no false hopes on what I might have gotten13:42
ikoniahis idoru provocation seemed aimed at jayne also13:44
macoIdleOne: think "lets all talk about food" is deflamed enough?13:57
IdleOneyou did that masterfully13:57
* IdleOne watches and learns13:57
macoi really really should not go 2 days without sleeping or a day without eating13:57
macoparticularly not simultaneously13:57
macoi ate and slept last night. yay! head is still killing me13:57
IdleOneno you shouldn't13:58
IdleOneyou probably need to eat a little more and drink water13:58
macoIdleOne: how do i use @mark ? im told i use bad syntax14:29
macoubottu: help mark14:30
ubottu(mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg14:30
macoohyay!14:30
maco@mark #ubuntu-offtopic phix racial "jokes" and suggestion that someone kill themself. has been reprimanded14:30
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IdleOnethere ya go :)14:31
Myrttioh lordy14:40
Piciyep14:41
Picimaco: Sorry, I had enough.14:42
ikoniahe's well known14:43
macoi was about to too14:43
macocan they not tell who kicks them?14:43
macoim getting PM'd14:43
Picimaco: They can, they just don't care.14:43
macowith a spelling correction for the restaurant name14:43
ikoniahe's just out to be an issue, as I said he's well know14:44
ikoniaI wouldn't entertain it at all personally14:44
ubottuIn ubottu, wael said: waht is all     thsi16:43
Pici...16:43
Pici!bot > wael16:43
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ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1448 users, 18 overflows, 1466 limit))17:19
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histoJust FYI a user named pianoGogo or pianoZzZ keeps spaming users in #ubuntu. Asking how they are in pms17:57
histoI got about 6 messages last night17:57
IdleOneis he around now and what are in the pm's?17:58
histoHe seems to be around now as pianoGogo  the pms are just Hello how are you? or some variation of that17:58
histoBut I got 6 last night from piano(4 random characters) saying the same thing.17:59
histoSome kind of bot I GUESS17:59
IdleOnehisto: could be a bot. as long as the PM's are not offensive there really isn't much we can do. I suggest you ignore18:00
IdleOneask them to stop18:00
IdleOneif they continue let me know and I will remove18:00
histoyeah just random nicks is the problem with ignoring.18:00
histoI'll let ya know ty18:00
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ikoniathis bot is rubbish21:37
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