[06:45] <tsimpson> CarlFK1, h00k, nixternal: remember to identify (blame the recent netsplits)
[06:50] <cdbs> Can someone please modify the #ubuntu+1 topic, remove about the sudo update thing and also remove the python rebuilds, instead add: Gir ABI change rebuilds going on, please wait until all packages are rebuilt and be aware of partial upgrades
[06:51] <IdleOne> cdbs: done
[06:51] <cdbs> thanks IdleOne
[06:51] <Myrtti> wonder what akshatj was up to
[06:51] <cdbs> Myrtti: which channel?
[06:51] <Myrtti> here
[06:52] <bazhang> something about 'jason was made a member' in -ot
[08:15] <Myrtti> oh lord
[08:18] <i5noc^3> Myrtti:
[08:19] <i5noc^3> 1s
[08:20] <Myrtti> I'm waiting
[08:20] <i5noc^3> kback
[08:20] <i5noc^3> sorry had to answer the phone @work
[08:21] <i5noc^3> ok so the dood wants a 'light' / 'small' system to start with so he can play ok?
[08:21] <i5noc^3> server install is indeed light and small
[08:21] <i5noc^3> COMPARITIVELY lol
[08:21] <i5noc^3> but its neither light nor small
[08:21] <Myrtti> I'm waiting for you to get to the point
[08:21] <i5noc^3>  hey im not that other asshat i'm gonna show my work
[08:21] <i5noc^3> be patient
[08:22] <i5noc^3> your a client facing op chill
[08:23] <i5noc^3> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/preparing-to-install.html
[08:23] <i5noc^3> ok
[08:24] <i5noc^3> Disk space on an absolutely minimal installation can be reduced to as little as 600 MB. A fresh and clean command-line system of Ubuntu 8.04 generally takes only 450 MB, although there will be minor variations on account of hardware differences. If you have only 64 MB of memory, you will need to reserve more disk space for swap.
[08:24] <i5noc^3> frin kiwnen
[08:24] <i5noc^3> grr fingers misplaced = thats from lowmem
[08:25] <i5noc^3> from server install link above: Base System 500 megabytes // All Tasks Installed 1 gigabyte
[08:25] <i5noc^3> now i've done several thousand installs of this thing
[08:25] <i5noc^3> and been part of the project since 5.04
[08:26] <i5noc^3> quite simply, the command-line install from the ALTERNATE iso is indeed a lighter and smaller install, compared to server
[08:26] <i5noc^3> so
[08:26] <i5noc^3> when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?
[08:26] <i5noc^3> server is small, but command-line is smaller right?
[08:26] <mneptok> hint: part of what i say would not be "bite me"
[08:27] <i5noc^3> mneptok: probably
[08:27] <i5noc^3> i make no apologies for my offtopic banter.
[08:27] <mneptok> it's not the offtopicness that bothers me as the itter lack of respect. it's like calling someone an "asshat." which you also did.
[08:28] <mneptok> *utter
[08:28] <i5noc^3> sure.
[08:28] <i5noc^3> i wont lie or apologize.
[08:28] <i5noc^3> moving past that.
[08:28] <i5noc^3> 08:26 < i5noc^3> when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?
[08:28] <mneptok> then you will be banned for failing to follow the IRC Guidelines and the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct
[08:28] <mneptok> as someone with your deep history in the project should know, those documents are very important.
[08:29] <i5noc^3> mneptok: the policies of the irc channel do not reflect the user base's desires in any meaningful form
[08:29] <i5noc^3> we can debate that another day though.
[08:29] <tsimpson> we don't ask that you agree with the rules, we only require you to abide by them
[08:29] <i5noc^3> s/channel/channels
[08:29] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: look.
[08:30] <i5noc^3> nvm ill just ignore that
[08:30] <i5noc^3> one last time
[08:30] <i5noc^3> 08:26 < i5noc^3> when the dood asks for a small light install, what are you going to say?
[08:30] <i5noc^3> either get together and do installs and see for yourself
[08:30] <i5noc^3> or agree with your own documentation
[08:30] <mneptok> i answered you.
[08:30] <i5noc^3> sure u should call me on the crap talking which you have
[08:30] <mneptok> it would not be "bite me"
[08:31] <i5noc^3> mneptok: thats not what you would answer, but instead what you would not, correct? (hint: yes)
[08:31] <i5noc^3> anyway
[08:31] <mneptok> i don't care how correct or incorrect you are. that topic is not something i am discussing. i am telling you that your tone, demeanor, and attitude are going to get you banned. no matter how right you are.
[08:31] <i5noc^3> learn to read, and know the docs, and learn to know the limitation of them
[08:31] <Myrtti> or wrong
[08:32] <i5noc^3> mneptok: you can only ban part of me lol
[08:32] <i5noc^3> i wasnt gonna bring it up
[08:32] <i5noc^3> *shrugs*
[08:32] <Myrtti> hint: threatening or promising banevasion isn't earning you brownie points
[08:32] <tsimpson> you do realise that ban-evading is a violation of freenode policy
[08:32] <tsimpson> ?
[08:33] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: i know policy quite well.
[08:33] <i5noc^3> and its not evading if the users are already there
[08:33] <tsimpson> then you know not to violate it
[08:34] <i5noc^3> its an inefficiant ban
[08:34] <i5noc^3> plz sir dont treat me like the usual plebes you deal with
[08:34] <tsimpson> we let staff deal with what is and is not a violation
[08:35] <i5noc^3> good
[08:35] <i5noc^3> then lets get back to what is appropriate here
[08:35] <i5noc^3> you quit blustering, and admit that i'm rite?
[08:36] <tsimpson> erm, right on what issue? that your attitude and language were not in violation of our channel rules?
[08:36] <i5noc^3> nope
[08:36] <i5noc^3> thats not why im here
[08:36] <tsimpson> then it's not appropriate for this channel
[08:36] <i5noc^3> actually....
[08:37] <Myrtti> all I did was to tell you to take your discussion over whatever alt-server-mini should be installed somewhere else instead of hogging the channel from support
[08:37] <i5noc^3> 1s
[08:37] <i5noc^3> For Operators
[08:37] <i5noc^3> We are able to provide assistance to operators of Ubuntu channels.
[08:38] <i5noc^3> lol! nice bump to the ego, ops are not operators
[08:38] <tsimpson> I assume you know how to read a channel topic, please read the topic of this channel
[08:39] <i5noc^3> yeah thats why i went to the link, still reading hold on
[08:40] <Myrtti> as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to discuss, I don't care which is smaller, alt, mini, server or whatnot. As long as that discussion isn't hogging #ubuntu, it's all nice and dandy and candy floss and ponyrides to me
[08:40] <tsimpson> we are not discussing who was right or wrong, simply what the channel rules are
[08:40] <i5noc^3> In #ubuntu-ops you will be able to publicly discuss the matter with other Ubuntu operators. Please join this channel for conflict escalation/resolution and not #ubuntu-devel. The people in there cannot and will not help you. If no other ops are available, you can contact the IRC council via the ubuntu-irc mailinglist.
[08:40] <tsimpson> no other discussion is required
[08:40] <i5noc^3> there we go
[08:40] <i5noc^3> mm
[08:40] <i5noc^3> ok fine
[08:40] <i5noc^3> yall changed it
[08:40] <i5noc^3> !ops trigger wasnt abused cause i was being a dick
[08:40] <i5noc^3> srry ubottu
[08:41] <i5noc^3> but, i'm 90% certain somewhere in there is something about issues with ops
[08:41] <i5noc^3> which is why i'm here
[08:41] <Myrtti> and the issue with ops is exactly what? that you think I've got my facts wrong?
[08:41] <i5noc^3> quite.
[08:41] <tsimpson> you were asked to move your discussion out of #ubuntu, if you are finished with the discussion then there is no issue
[08:42] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: the discussion was never off topic
[08:42] <Myrtti> then it's not an issue that this channel can help with
[08:42] <tsimpson> it was
[08:42] <i5noc^3> we were speaking of ubuntu and various installs
[08:42] <i5noc^3> comparing them, for the gentleman that needed assistance
[08:42] <jpds> Alright.
[08:42] <i5noc^3> i was a bit roudy with the tounge sure, but facts are facts.
[08:42] <tsimpson> just because it concerns Ubuntu, does not make it on-topic for #ubuntu
[08:43] <i5noc^3> command-line install is lighter than server install
[08:43] <i5noc^3> an op whom says otherwise is spreading disinformation
[08:43] <i5noc^3> THAT hurts ubuntu as a whole
[08:43] <tsimpson> regardless, the discussion has passed, the issue is over
[08:43] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: the issue is not over.
[08:43] <i5noc^3> thats the whole point
[08:43] <i5noc^3> case in point:
[08:44] <i5noc^3> 08:26 < i5noc^3> server is small, but command-line is smaller right?
[08:44] <i5noc^3> 08:26 <+mneptok> hint: part of what i say would not be "bite m
[08:44] <i5noc^3> how many times we gotta say the same thing?
[08:44] <Myrtti> i5noc^3: so what do you suggest I do? resign as an op because I don't have time or patience to learn about every miniscule difference between different flavours of Ubuntu and installing it?
[08:44] <i5noc^3> mneptok: and thats you being contrary to your own docs
[08:44] <Myrtti> or do you want to give me a lecture on the subject?
[08:44] <tsimpson> as I said, we are not discussing who is right and who is wrong in your discussion
[08:44] <i5noc^3> ive never nor will ever sign the 'coc' but just learn a few facts
[08:44] <i5noc^3> Myrtti: yes
[08:44] <i5noc^3> you should know almost everything
[08:44] <i5noc^3> thats EXACTLY it
[08:44] <Myrtti> i5noc^3: so you have, move on
[08:45] <tsimpson> your signing the CoC is not required, it's a rule if you want to use #ubuntu
[08:45] <tsimpson> if you don't wish to abide by it, choose another channel
[08:45] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: the only way you can enforce that is by ensuring that the only ppl who get in have done so
[08:45] <i5noc^3> as we have learned from elua's just having the text there means nothing legally, and this isnt even on that level of an agreement
[08:45] <jpds> i5noc^3: Ew, how dull; I'd rather not know all the details about Xubuntu, Umbungo and every other thing anyone else comes up with and leave it for their experts.
[08:45] <tsimpson> no, we choose the rules for our channel, those rules just so happen to contain the same as the CoC + the IRC Guidelines
[08:45] <i5noc^3> jpds: yes thats correct, you should
[08:46] <jpds> i5noc^3: No.
[08:46] <i5noc^3> and the ops whom are there should be exactly those experts
[08:46] <i5noc^3> but thats another discussion, and this is not the place/time really since no one's voting today
[08:46] <tsimpson> ops are _not_ required to be experts in Ubuntu, that is not something we are going to change because you disagree
[08:46] <i5noc^3> oh i never said you would change it
[08:47] <i5noc^3> i expect the same 08:26 < i5noc^3> server is small, but command-line is smaller right?
[08:47] <i5noc^3> grr
[08:47] <i5noc^3> i expect the same mediocrity from the ops as i do from the team
[08:47] <i5noc^3> but again thats another issue.
[08:47] <tsimpson> lovely, so we have nothing more to discuss
[08:47] <i5noc^3> please stay on topic. (omg im saying that?)
[08:47] <Myrtti> I can't even make sense of what you think is correct
[08:47] <i5noc^3> ok lets review
[08:47] <tsimpson> let's not
[08:47] <i5noc^3> lightest install of ubuntu?
[08:47] <tsimpson> and say we did
[08:47] <jpds> Myrtti: He wants us to be walking encyclopedias.
[08:48] <i5noc^3> lets do and say we didnt?
[08:48] <i5noc^3> jpds: no i dont want you to, you must be
[08:48] <i5noc^3> if you cannot tell correct from incorrect information you perpetuate ignorance
[08:48] <i5noc^3> way to go windows!
[08:48] <knome> please stop this madness...
[08:48] <tsimpson> for the _Very_ last time, we are not discussing who was and was not correct in your discussion in #ubuntu
[08:48] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: we actually are.
[08:48] <tsimpson> no, we aren't
[08:48] <Myrtti> I don't think I've even confirmed or unconfirmed who's right and who's wrong
[08:48] <i5noc^3> i'm not bringing up the person from the channel, i'm merely bringing up the op
[08:48] <i5noc^3> Myrtti: nope
[08:49] <i5noc^3> Myrtti: thank you for paying attn
[08:49] <tsimpson> then you are in the wrong channel
[08:49] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: wrong
[08:49] <Myrtti> i5noc^3: so if I've not said my opinion what method of installation is the smallest, then I've not given wrong information either
[08:49] <i5noc^3> lets see...
[08:49] <i5noc^3> 1s
[08:49] <tsimpson> no, we are done now
[08:49] <tsimpson> goodbye
[08:49] <i5noc^3> 08:15 < Myrtti> i5noc^3: minimal iso is the basis of all installation options, including server, alternate and desktop. server includes in addition to the minimal server optimized kernels and modules.  alternate can be is meaningful only with desktop installations with quirky hardware or encryption or other more advanced needs.
[08:50] <i5noc^3> ring a bell?
[08:50] <i5noc^3> as in wrong information?
[08:50] <i5noc^3> this is the RIGHT channel for a wrong answer from an op
[08:50] <knome> no
[08:50] <knome> tsimpson, thanks
[08:50] <tsimpson> i5noc^3: feel free to /part
[08:51] <jpds> Life's too short to hold such a quantity of information in one's head when it can be easily looked up in documentation.
[08:51] <Myrtti> the last time I checked, to the extent that I need for my personal usage, that was correct. If it's not, then I'm wrong, and life goes on.
[08:52]  * Tm_T watches the snow outside
[08:53] <jpds> I was promised snow, but have only have patches of ice. :(
[08:53] <Myrtti> I wish next time AtomicSpark doesn't call the ops to resolve a feud like that
[08:54] <tsimpson> i5noc^3: is there something we can help you with?
[08:55] <tsimpson> indeed
[08:57] <tsimpson> i5noc^3: I'm sure you're not listening to me, this is the 4th? time I've said that we are not discussing that
[08:57] <tsimpson> i5noc^3: it's not
[08:58] <tsimpson> you are currently quieted, only someone with +o can read your messages
[08:58] <tsimpson> I think you have disturbed everyone else enough
[08:59] <tsimpson> if you are going to continue discussing that, you will be removed again
[09:01] <jpds> OK.
[09:03] <Myrtti> refreshing to be reminded every now and then that I'm an idiot
[09:08] <ikonia> i5noc^3 is now starting in #ubuntu-irc
[09:08] <knome> Myrtti, you're a wonderful idiot :]
[09:08] <ikonia> why is he back in #ubuntu ?
[09:08] <Myrtti> he has never been kicked
[09:09] <Myrtti> or banned
[09:09] <Myrtti> well "never" might be an overstatement
[09:09] <Myrtti> but I don't think he's been today
[09:09] <ikonia> oh, I thought that nick was banned any how
[09:09] <jpds> Who's Nick?
[09:10] <Myrtti> he was rude, was told off for that, and didn't persist on the offtopic when I told him to take the soap box elsewhere
[09:10] <Myrtti> so I don't see why he should
[09:11] <ikonia> just checked BT he's not banned, I thought I recognised the nick
[09:11] <Myrtti> so did I
[09:11] <ikonia> tsimpson: please shut this guy up, it's a complete waste of time
[09:12] <Myrtti> I'm starting to feel somewhat nauseous by now. How can I make him shut up and not add into my misery of today?
[09:12] <jpds> I do not intend to know everything about Xubuntu, just to do op duty in #ubuntu for instance.
[09:12] <jpds> As an example.
[09:13] <ikonia> he's wrong anyway, a command line install isn't smaller than a base server install, but it doesn't really matter as the difference is a few meg either side
[09:14] <ikonia> tsimpson: kudos to you
[09:15] <Myrtti> oh GOD
[09:16] <ikonia> have you read his comments in freenode a few hours ago
[09:16] <ikonia> it's clear he wants to be or find an issue in any channel he's in
[09:16] <jpds> ikonia: Paste or it didn't happen.
[09:17] <Myrtti> I just read it
[09:17] <Myrtti> I feel like crying
[09:17] <Myrtti> please please please be far far away from Finland or UK
[09:17] <ikonia> http://pastebin.com/0wbJmFAX
[09:17] <ikonia> that's his initial join,
[09:18] <Myrtti> *sigh* Atlanta, Georgia, US
[09:18] <jpds> Wow.
[09:19]  * jpds adds to ban-on-sight list.
[09:22] <Tm_T> Myrtti: did you instruct actionparsnip of his ops trigger usage or shall ?
[09:22] <Tm_T> +I
[09:22] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I don't know what to say to him to be honest. I don't even know if using the trigger was right or wrong
[09:22] <Myrtti> all I know is that I feel like another 6months of hiatus might be a good idea
[09:23] <Tm_T> it was wrongly used trigger IMO
[09:43] <bazhang> he's now in -meeting, nothing so far though
[09:49] <bazhang> made some kind of threat, not clear what it is though
[09:51] <Myrtti> brilliant, I'm so nervous I just dropped my talcum powder on the floor
[09:51] <Myrtti> the whole place reeks of white baby powder now
[09:51]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[09:51] <bazhang> apologies Myrtti
[09:52] <Myrtti> bazhang: it's just a bad day for me
[09:52] <bazhang> ah sorry to hear that
[09:52] <Myrtti> annual doctors checkup, I hate changing my daily schedules and especially for doctors/dentist appointments
[09:53] <Myrtti> and I hate fridays
[09:53] <knome> hate fridays? oooo
[09:54] <Myrtti> I hate pretty much every day apart from Saturday
[09:55] <topyli> make sure to mention your hatred of fridays to the doctor, it might be a symptom of something serious! :)
[09:58] <Myrtti> it's a sign of being constantly overstressed
[10:22] <topyli> which of course qualifies as "something serious" and should be fixed
[13:21] <IdleOne> interesting scroll back
[13:21] <IdleOne> glad i went to sleep
[13:26] <IdleOne> Hello rwg
[13:26] <rwg> hi
[13:26] <IdleOne> How can I help you today?
[13:26] <rwg> I'm fine.
[13:26] <IdleOne> that is good
[13:27] <IdleOne> was there anything you needed from the ubuntu ops team?
[13:28] <rwg> nope
[13:29] <IdleOne> ok, well in that case I will refer you to the channel topic and the part about not idling here.
[13:29] <rwg> wondering why I got flooded with your banlist several times when I joined
[13:29] <IdleOne> you got flooded with the ban list?
[13:29] <rwg> but that's more of a client/bouncer issue
[13:29] <IdleOne> yeah, I was going to say.
[13:38] <ikonia> i5noc^3 came back to ##linux/#debian/##windows/$other channels and tried to provoke idoru to kick him, so he could complain about it
[13:41] <IdleOne> ikonia: what I liked about that whole conversation in the scroll back, all I did was skim it really, but got the impression that "we" are a bunch of idiots and "he" was here to make it clear to us.
[13:42] <Myrtti> IdleOne: I don't even want to know what he would have done if my gender would have become apparent
[13:42] <IdleOne> well, surely that would explain your lack of understanding
[13:42] <Myrtti> judging from how he behaved towards jayne at #freenode, I've got no false hopes on what I might have gotten
[13:44] <ikonia> his idoru provocation seemed aimed at jayne also
[13:57] <maco> IdleOne: think "lets all talk about food" is deflamed enough?
[13:57] <IdleOne> you did that masterfully
[13:57]  * IdleOne watches and learns
[13:57] <maco> i really really should not go 2 days without sleeping or a day without eating
[13:57] <maco> particularly not simultaneously
[13:57] <maco> i ate and slept last night. yay! head is still killing me
[13:58] <IdleOne> no you shouldn't
[13:58] <IdleOne> you probably need to eat a little more and drink water
[14:29] <maco> IdleOne: how do i use @mark ? im told i use bad syntax
[14:30] <maco> ubottu: help mark
[14:30] <maco> ohyay!
[14:30] <maco> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic phix racial "jokes" and suggestion that someone kill themself. has been reprimanded
[14:31] <IdleOne> there ya go :)
[14:40] <Myrtti> oh lordy
[14:41] <Pici> yep
[14:42] <Pici> maco: Sorry, I had enough.
[14:43] <ikonia> he's well known
[14:43] <maco> i was about to too
[14:43] <maco> can they not tell who kicks them?
[14:43] <maco> im getting PM'd
[14:43] <Pici> maco: They can, they just don't care.
[14:43] <maco> with a spelling correction for the restaurant name
[14:44] <ikonia> he's just out to be an issue, as I said he's well know
[14:44] <ikonia> I wouldn't entertain it at all personally
[16:43] <Pici> ...
[16:43] <Pici> !bot > wael
[17:57] <histo> Just FYI a user named pianoGogo or pianoZzZ keeps spaming users in #ubuntu. Asking how they are in pms
[17:57] <histo> I got about 6 messages last night
[17:58] <IdleOne> is he around now and what are in the pm's?
[17:58] <histo> He seems to be around now as pianoGogo  the pms are just Hello how are you? or some variation of that
[17:59] <histo> But I got 6 last night from piano(4 random characters) saying the same thing.
[17:59] <histo> Some kind of bot I GUESS
[18:00] <IdleOne> histo: could be a bot. as long as the PM's are not offensive there really isn't much we can do. I suggest you ignore
[18:00] <IdleOne> ask them to stop
[18:00] <IdleOne> if they continue let me know and I will remove
[18:00] <histo> yeah just random nicks is the problem with ignoring.
[18:00] <histo> I'll let ya know ty
[20:55] <popey> @login
[20:55] <popey> @btlogin
[21:13] <ikonia> @popeylogout
[21:36]  * popey tickles ikonia 
[21:37] <ikonia> @popeytickle
[21:37] <ikonia> this bot is rubbish
[21:37] <bazhang> !lart