[00:29] Afternoonings night lurkers! Lets play figure out how DD-WRT's web panel works [00:30] I want to modify it, it seems to have normal pages in asp, for example http://dd-wrt/Status_Bandwidth.asp yet when I do find / | grep Status_Bandwith.asp I find nothing [00:30] what is this madness? [00:39] are the pages stored individually on the device? [00:39] hamitron: well is find / | grep Status_Bandwith.asp returns nothing, It's obviously stored someplace weird [00:39] s/is/if [00:40] * hamitron is trying to remember his router password [00:40] I mean it's gotta be on there someplace, but as to where :s [00:40] wow :P [00:40] dd-wrt uses asp??? [00:41] ali1234: seems so, all the pages are *.asp :/ [00:41] i recommend dump dd-wrt and use openwrt instead. everything is configured through text files [00:41] my device isn't supported/working with openwrt [00:41] aren't they merging? [00:41] also text files...no? [00:41] that's crazy talk [00:41] dd-wrt is based on openwrt [00:41] I like a web interface [00:42] by merge, I mean working towards more compatibility [00:42] I read it somewhere random :/ [00:42] it's not really asp. i don't know why they do that [00:43] oh [00:43] what is it then? [00:43] just some CGIs [00:43] html [00:43] like everything else [00:43] I see [00:43] ali1234: but isn't CGI just an interface to execute [00:43] yes [00:43] well, technically no [00:43] lol [00:44] so what language are they using? [00:44] http://svn.dd-wrt.com:8000/dd-wrt/browser/src/router/kromo/cisco_wrt54g_en/Status_Bandwidth.asp?rev=8018 [00:44] CGI is a way to run an executable and send the stdout as the web page [00:44] so yes, but not in the way you think [00:44] ahh [00:44] it's impossible to tell what they are really using by looking at the resulting web page [00:45] so, in CGI, your "webpage" can be a C binary that does printf("....."); [00:45] yea [00:45] in languages like php or asp you write a normal html file and then embed code into it [00:45] I played with CGI before :) [00:45] so then the php file has to be processed by another interpreter [00:45] or the asp file [00:45] cat /etc/www [00:46] hamitron: wall of crazyness [00:46] you can use php through cgi but nobody does it, instead the web server has built in knowledge of certain file types [00:46] :) [00:46] but CGI can use any type of binary that uses stdin and stdout [00:47] this makes it *much* simpler [00:47] indeed, :) [00:47] php/asp etc is not suitable for running on a tiny router with only 16mb or whatever [00:47] that I do get [00:47] ali1234: I'm trying to add per-computer live bandwith graphs [00:48] imo /etc/www looks like a beast of a script [00:48] I can already get at the transfer rates per-computer [00:48] hamitron: yea, what is that? :S [00:48] Azelphur: how? [00:48] hamitron: I looked into the source for http://code.google.com/p/wrtbwmon/ it does some stuff with iptables [00:48] ah, manually [00:48] I could just run the iptables command every second to get KB/sec [00:48] :) [00:49] tbh, I need the daily download for each client more [00:49] well, that actually is some kind of interpreted scripting language [00:49] (the svn link) [00:49] so you need to find what interprets it... look at the web server config to find this [00:50] httpd maybe? [00:50] god alone knows where that is at :p [00:50] yea, it's called httpd [00:50] in /usr/sbin [00:50] iirc [00:51] hamitron: /usr/sbin/ [00:51] ali1234: you find openwrt better? [00:51] but no config [00:51] openwrt has a really nice CGI scripting tool that uses shell scripts [00:51] it has a simple webif too but why use it? [00:51] just edit the config files, it's much easier [00:52] I prefer the web UI [00:52] dd-wrt I feel is broken [00:52] :/ [00:52] ali1234: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/MyPage I could use this [00:52] setting up multiple vlan was a pain [00:52] but I wonder if I can do the live graphs like on the bandwith page through it [00:53] thing about "live" graphs is you need to store history somehow [00:53] ali1234: I'd use openwrt as I say but my router isn't supported :( [00:53] :/ [00:53] tomato is quite good for graphs and such. [00:53] wrt54gl \o/ [00:53] WRT610N v1 is WIP, WRT610N v2 isn't even on the list yet [00:53] really nice webif to [00:53] so get the source of dd-wrt kernel and patch it into openwrt buildroot... [00:54] also i suspect the list is way out of date and it actually works just fine [00:54] * hamitron now worries about Azelphur having to jtag, after the arduino experience [00:54] I see :p [00:54] hamitron: my router has unbricking :D [00:55] actually, all routers have unbricking [00:55] unless you wipe the unbricking [00:55] my router has super easy unbricking [00:55] aka bootloader [00:55] press button insert firmware tada your unbricked [00:55] yeah, they *all* do that to some degree [00:55] hehe [00:55] well, I am still scared ;/ [00:55] you just have to figure out, 1. which button, 2. when to press it, 3. how to supply firmware [00:56] http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT610N#Recovery_.28Unbricking.29 [00:56] :D [00:57] well the v1 has very obvious serial and jtag ports [00:57] * hamitron spanks Azelphur [00:57] you got me considering modifying the /etc/www file now :/ [00:58] why do that when you can just run another httpd on another port and using another set of files? [00:58] like some files on a usb stick, or a sd card if you don't have usb [00:58] hmmm [00:59] don't I need to hard mod it? [00:59] for sd card? sure [00:59] for usb too [00:59] you need to patch the kernel too, but it's easy [00:59] if you have usb it will just work [00:59] the hard part is reasoning with other users on my network when their internet goes down ;) [01:00] females are violent :/ [01:00] this is why you have two routers [01:00] suppose [01:01] :) [01:02] what I really want to do is monitor users usage, then if they go above 250Mb in 24 hours, reduce them to 64kbps [01:02] :D [01:02] i would just change my ethernet mac address and carry on ... heh [01:03] with mac filtering [01:03] ;/ [01:03] i would change it to *your* mac address, and bump you off the network [01:03] suppose I could count data per port? [01:03] not really [01:04] you could do data per destination though [01:04] then if the person really likes some website that you hate... this would work [01:04] like facebook [01:04] :) [01:04] exactly [01:04] except that most things on facebook are embedded [01:05] I can't get the QoS and filtering stuff working from the web interface [01:05] :/ [01:07] ali1234: lucky for me, I don't have you on my network [01:07] ;/ [01:07] so basic mac filtering and stuff is enough [01:08] at least as far as you know... [01:08] true [01:08] :) [01:08] maybe all my users just act dumb [01:09] or maybe I am dumb and what they say is beyond my understanding [01:13] Azelphur: 43624 line script [01:13] :s [01:13] lol === ben__ is now known as Whitey [02:16] bleh stupid internet [02:16] yes [07:30] morning all [07:33] morning [07:39] morning :) [07:39] mornin [07:39] wheres bigcalm? now it really is friday [07:40] I'm slightly concerned about the snow and my flight later, but james_w says it'll be ok. [07:41] morning exobuzz :) [07:46] <_H> does anyone know anything better than http://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/ as http://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/ is not being developed [this programme is for drawing plans and I need a plan for my flat so I can dsort out the electrics water and flooring. - I think its called a floor plan] [07:47] hello all [07:48] <_H> MooDoo: hoi [07:48] _H, http://www.sweethome3d.com/index.jsp ? [07:49] can do a nice 3d one ;-) [07:52] _H: I'd use inkscape, but thats a general vector graphics program, rather than a specific diagramming thing. [07:55] could use google sketchup also perhaps [07:56] bug 181912 [07:56] Launchpad bug 181912 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Sweet Home 3d" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181912 [07:57] !info sweethome3d [07:57] sweethome3d (source: sweethome3d): Interior 2D design application with 3D preview. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4+dfsg-1 (maverick), package size 7347 kB, installed size 8020 kB [07:58] didnt know it was packaged. should install that cheers [07:59] I looked into it a while back when it wasn't packaged [07:59] ended up using the ikea kitchen planner tool through wine [07:59] which nearly worked [07:59] _H: tell us how you get on with it [08:01] i tried it before and it was pretty cool.. a few friends have used it [08:02] useful to envisage how many arcade machines and pinball tables you could fit into your house, if all the useless crap like sofas, tables and beds were removed [08:04] exobuzz: haha [08:05] I'd like a garrage to put a 19" rack in :) [08:09] :) [08:09] screen-x: i've got the perfect garage, persuading my wife to let me do it is a different matter :D [08:09] i wouldnt say no. [08:10] MooDoo: If it got "all my wires and stuff" out the house, it would be approved :p [08:10] MooDoo, i know that one. i had a perfect space for "star trek tng pinball table - and i found one for a decent price". and the "boss" instead wanted an oak dining table (cost more than the pinball). and much less useful too [08:10] screen-x: luckily i'm all wireless :) well apart from the router to the garage where my servers are now, but that cable goes outside [08:11] * exobuzz sometimes brings lots of 8 bit computers downstairs and leaves them lying about to wind the boss up [08:11] exobuzz: thats asking for trouble [08:11] i can't leave anything around like that, my 2 year old will wreck it :D [08:12] right now. im winning.. since i bought a synth and its living on her dining table.. along with lots of other junk of mine. mwahahaha [08:12] MooDoo, spectrums are "almost" childproof [08:12] exobuzz: maybe time for some relationship counselling? [08:13] i got a 1.8 year old... she does mess up my tv and hifi though [08:13] screen-x, probably.. :) [08:13] and ive given up with the cds/dvd in any particular order. [08:13] exobuzz: wait till she want's to play with "daddys pooter" [08:14] MooDoo, how do you explain that keys do better when they are not hit. also that my delicate lcd screen is not a touchscreen! [08:14] MooDoo: you should show her android app inventor, to see if it really is easy enough for a 2yr old [08:15] exobuzz: with a bribe of course, you say "want this choclate" :D [08:15] screen-x: mine is a him :) [08:15] MooDoo, this is mine when she was a little smaller. http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/learning64.jpg ignore the bloke with morning hair in the background. [08:15] awww bless :D [08:16] get em on the 8 bitters.. [08:16] I forgot how large those C64s were [08:16] i had a mac ibook he liked to play with, i didn't mind him bashing that about a bit :D [08:16] MooDoo, look even bigger here http://www.exotica.org.uk/mediawiki/files/d/d2/Natalie_on_c64.jpg [08:17] lol awesome :D [08:17] MooDoo, macs sometimes need bashing [08:18] and the users ;-) [08:18] hehe [08:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2g3EDC6YuA [08:39] I wish you could specify a port for a service in DNS, that would make loads of sense. [08:45] \o/ Bitshifter [08:47] Mornin' all [08:48] morning [08:51] yo bigcalm, friday! [08:51] TTFCIF \o/ [08:51] 37 wheres bigcalm? now it really is friday [08:51] I will not reveal the meaning in here though [08:51] Heh [08:54] big old flakes coming down now ☃ time [08:54] nothing here [08:55] MooDoo: where are you ? Please say somewhere near london.. [08:56] screen-x: lol no i'm not, nottingham [08:56] hmm /me consults uksnow.benmash.co.uk [08:57] screen-x: benmarsh :p [08:59] heh [08:59] looks like the snow is mostly in the west :D [09:01] i fancy fish and chips [09:01] going to snow tomorrow more and more though [09:01] guess it's a bit early [09:06] it's good morning fro me, and good morning from him. [09:06] Howdy guys [09:06] Hi andylockrans [09:06] you good? [09:07] yeah, quite a bit of snow here, hoping it'll be ok to get up to london later.. [09:07] you? [09:07] we're fine thanks [09:07] :p [09:07] though one of us is feeling a little hazy [09:07] hmm, half the team missing this morning [09:07] bit like an out-of-body (not-in-body) experience [09:07] xmas do last night [09:07] morning btw [09:07] ah, typical :P [09:08] morning popester [09:08] morning popey [09:08] dancing on the desks last night? [09:08] morning [09:08] not i [09:08] I didnt go [09:09] good morning victorp [09:10] * czajkowski waves GOOD MORNING FOLKS! [09:10] * TheOpenSourcerer says hello [09:10] Morning all [09:11] czajkowski: oi where your aloha? [09:11] aloha czajkowski [09:11] Tiny bit of snow on the floor here and people are going 30mph WHY! [09:11] Its not like its much... [09:12] nperry: somone drove into my wife at ~25mph in the snow, and wrote off our car :( [09:12] bugger [09:12] to be fair, it is 10 years old, so insurance would write it off for a scratch. [09:12] hi popey [09:13] screen-x: ouch bad times. [09:13] screen-x: But yeah any knock on a 10 year old car is wrote off, same as mine... but then again mine was a head on at 30mph each [09:13] screen-x: An Ocado van forced me into a ditch last Monday on sheet ice. Luckily my old volvo seems to have not been affected by it apart from a couple of scratches. [09:14] nperry: we've had our fair share of incidents the past few months! But heres to a great 2011 :) [09:14] I agree [09:14] * nperry charges my coffee in the air :-) [09:15] TheOpenSourcerer: glad you're ok... [09:16] some very sore heads in this office today [09:17] czajkowski: Ice isn't that slippery. [09:17] jpds: oh but it is. [09:17] czajkowski: including yours? [09:18] nope all good [09:18] czajkowski: drink moar next time ;) [09:19] not when I've to work the next day, I tend to actually use my brain and know that I'll die in pain today if I dod [09:19] czajkowski: ah there is that...... [09:20] czajkowski: oh yeah....poke :) [09:22] morning kazade [09:28] the great thing about working from home is that if your password suddenly magically does not work (because you have caps lock on) there is no IT department to call up and make you look really stupid [09:28] gord: VPN is the solution to that particular problem :) [09:28] i also totally did not just spend a few minutes trying to figure out why my ssh private key would not unlock [09:28] morning popey [09:29] anyone got snow? [09:29] kazade: a little in brum this morning [09:29] car frozen [09:29] then passenger door decided to unfreeze on the M42 [09:29] heh [09:29] gord: because you have caps lock on, or, sometimes, because you've been SSHing to several machines and got the passwords confused. [09:30] kazade: zip here in nottingham [09:30] nothing here in Pinner (nw London) [09:30] more ice than snow.... the dog nearly got his tongue stuck to a bench aka Dumb and Dumber :) [09:32] :) [09:32] I see you don't have anything either popey :) [09:33] * kazade ponders writing a del.icio.us clone [09:33] Canonical should make a social bookmarking service :) [09:33] that uses the U1 single signon [09:34] :) kazade [09:34] co-workers still not in [09:34] popey: more work, or just peace and quiet [09:35] well, one who currently is here is giving me the details of his "snip" [09:35] sohaha [09:35] I'd rather the rest turned up and told us about the drunken antics last night [09:36] quite [09:37] MooDoo: you about? [09:38] andylockran: only in body [09:40] Morning [09:40] \o daubers [09:41] o/ [09:44] o/ daubers [09:44] so, who has snow ? [09:46] http://popey.com/webcam/ gentle dusting here [09:47] ah, that's nice [09:47] colleague turned up to the office with bacon butty for me [09:47] perfec' [09:47] (in the style of the Darling buds of May) [09:52] Flashtek 4/10 here, large fluffy flakes [09:53] screen-x: where are you [09:54] nperry: cardiff [09:55] didn't that explode last year? 8-) [09:55] MartijnVdS: cardiff?? [09:56] * screen-x has just anaesthetised his lip, very odd sensation [09:56] screen-x: why ? [09:57] czajkowski: bonjela for uber mouth ulcer. [09:57] try it on other body parts as an experiment perhaps? :) [09:58] or not. [09:58] I'll take the latter option [09:58] that would be my choice too, but then I thought to offer up both for fairness [10:00] bah. first game from humble indie bundle complaints about my opengl. .. never again ati.. never again [10:01] Braid needs a OpenGL 3.x video card + proprietary drivers (AMD/Ati or Nvidia). .. hmm.. need an upgrade then. [10:02] ohhh yummy bonjela [10:02] it hurt for the first 30 seconds! [10:03] czajkowski: you a fan? [10:03] http://www.facebook.com/search.php?q=bonjela&init=quick&tas=search_preload#!/group.php?gid=2233195172 [10:04] screen-x: must mean that the snow is on the way us more then :) [10:04] +likely [10:10] screen-x: yes, Cardiff.. I saw it on BBC last year.. program called "Torchwood" or something? ;) [10:10] oh, I haven't watched that, did they blow up cardiff? how exciting! [10:11] screen-x: They torched the wood in Cardiff. [10:12] anyone seen the video of the iphone app that translates signs on the fly? I waiting for when I put a fish in my ear [10:13] they have translation of sign language now? [10:13] MartijnVdS: sort of :) http://bit.ly/dOhbPh [10:14] Apacheuk: translating to/from sign language would rock even harder imho :) [10:14] not convinced yet tho, looks like it would be very easy to fake [10:14] Then we could tell when the lady on TV is actually calling for a deaf uprising 8-) [10:22] zoiks, co-workers have arrived with harrowing stories from last night [10:22] glad I didn't go [10:23] harrowing? [10:23] Hi. I am trying to enable personal file sharing on a lap top, but the option to install required software is greyed out. please help === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [10:33] xyzee: try system > administration > package manager > reload [10:33] synaptic package manager [10:37] Heavy snow falling [10:37] where? [10:38] Bath [10:38] coming down pretty heavy [10:38] ah [10:39] czajkowski: Yes that means its coming by way :) [10:39] I give it 10mins before it starts coming down [10:40] pretty much stopped here [10:41] nperry: less of the being happy mister! [10:41] czajkowski: I love snow, get to play :) [10:42] Best thing I ever brought was my 4x4 :-) [10:43] Oh what did I say [10:43] yeah, I've borrowed the Landy today to get from Brum to Notts [10:43] Its just starting here [10:44] Brum had some? [10:44] mmm a RRS would be rather handy right now [10:44] I just spoke to my brother and he hasn't got any [10:44] yesh [10:45] South Brum, Solihull. [10:45] Hes in Redditch [10:45] not far then,. [10:46] I use to live there before I moved down to the country :/ [10:46] Thats one big snow cloud above [10:49] Wish I didn't salt our yard now :( [10:50] hopefully it'll snow a bit here and I can go out and play/rescue people :) http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9fFDc60Vr0qCam8DZhtlxpDVZlj5bZiH1LapO3lWH8I?feat=directlink [10:50] screen-x reload what? [10:51] xyzee: there is a reload button, in there, it does the equivalent of a "sudo apt-get update" which refreshes the package lists. [10:51] That should make the required samba packages available to install through the sharing dialog [10:52] Mingalaba [10:52] nperry: big flurries coming down here now === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [10:55] What a swine! [10:55] is it flying daubers? [10:56] No! I've got a natty partition on my laptop, and grubs just helpfully concactenated all my previous linux versions into a "previous linux versions" menu, missing my maverick install! [10:57] oh pretty cool http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/16/google-maps-5-0-hits-android-includes-new-3d-map-view-and-offli/ [10:57] yeah, looks nice [10:58] I think the offline feature is only for routes, I couldn't find a way of caching specific areas for offline use. [10:58] screen-x: I did.. [10:58] screen-x: hum, I reloaded software lists and gnome-user-share, but no joy [11:01] I think I may have hit 686076 [11:01] ish [11:01] bug 686076 [11:01] Launchpad bug 686076 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Grub fails to recognise Ubuntu 10.10 on a separate hard disc. Windows 7 is recognised OK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686076 [11:02] is there a way to chmod leaving the current permission as is.. [11:03] Hi all [11:03] Anyone have any experience with NFS4 and LDAP? [11:03] i.e. I want to change a group of files to be group rwx.. without altering their current permissions [11:03] andyc: in what context? [11:03] andylockran: chmod g+rwx [11:03] andylockran: g+rwg [11:03] screen-x: affects no other perms? [11:03] qls [11:03] s/rwg/rwx [11:03] yes [11:03] nperry: stopped [11:04] the g+ means group [11:04] perfect [11:04] u+ means user? [11:04] ya [11:04] guess what w+ means ;) [11:04] I have a server which exports nfs shares, and also is my LDAP server [11:04]