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MarkDudepleia2, check out the pic >> http://picasaweb.google.com/ZAreasonDOTcom/Panoramas#555148265282528632203:09
pleia2nice :)03:11
pleia2me and grant DO have doubles03:11
pleia2clones++03:12
MarkDudeAnd Christian also03:12
pleia2oh yes, christian is standing behind christian03:12
pleia2haha03:12
jdeslipNice.  I am bummed I couldn't make it :(03:16
pleia2you need clones too03:16
jdeslipapparently03:16
akkWe're at Red Rock! Don't see anyone I recognize, though.03:16
jdeslipSounds like a lot of $ was raised though.  That is swet.03:17
jdeslipsweet.03:17
pleia2yeah, christian tweeted earlier $1660 :)03:17
akkyay!03:18
* pleia2 has had a very busy week, couldn't make it down to Red Rock this time03:18
* MarkDude could not get that part of the pic to match up- so I had to do it with GIMP, I figured I might as well make extra volunteers03:19
pleia2lol03:20
MarkDudettyl03:21
nUboon2Ageokay, so here we are at The Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View.  Akk, Dave, Steve, John and i am here.     jtatum, aaditya, crashsystems, outofjungle, pleia2, seidos, Yasumoto03:55
outofjunglenUboon2Age,  i forgot.. i'll be there in about 30 minutes :)03:57
nUboon2Ageokay, looking forward to it outofjungle. :-)03:58
pleia2nUboon2Age: sorry I couldn't make it down this time, very busy week, needed a night at home to work on things :)04:10
akkThe nerve! Trying to have a "life" or something.04:12
akk:)04:12
nUboon2Agepleia2: we're just happy to have you down whenever you get the chance. :-)04:36
seidosah, he left...05:23
seidoslocobot_2, transform05:24
seidosokay, back to work.05:24
iheartubuntuWas just at Burlington Coat factory and noticed they were using Redhat Linux on their registers06:07
akknice!06:08
iheartubuntuIt looked kinda old though06:10
iheartubuntuRedhat uses gnome?06:12
akkyeah06:15
akkMost distros use gnome.06:15
iheartubuntu1so redhat is fedora sorta kinda06:21
akkfedora is desktop/community redhat.06:22
nUboon2AgeThe Lindependence/Ubuntu Hour: Santa Cruz  - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/574/detail/  When: Wed, 29 Dec. 2010 18:00 - 19:00 UTC (+0000); Where: Santa Cruz Coffee Roasting Company in Santa Cruz;    outofjungle, mcgrof, jledbetter, jtatum, FashionGirl, crashsystems, crashsystems1, aaditya16:17
jledbetterYes, sir16:18
jdeslipls16:57
jdeslipIt is miserable out today.16:58
jdeslipI just about froze walking to my office :(16:58
nUboon2Ageso cold!  Hard to believe this is the San Jose/Bay Area i'm living in!16:59
nUboon2Agerainy and cold!  what a combo.  miserable is a great word for it.17:01
nUboon2Agei worry about the homeless on a day like today.  we have 7,000 homeless in Santa Clara co. alone and only 1,000 emergency shelter slots.17:02
pleia2it's still well above freezing here, 48F17:10
nUboon2Agehypothermia happens well above freezing pleia2, 46F here.17:27
pleia2I didn't know it varied17:28
nUboon2Agewhen you get wet you can easily go into hypothermia, even when its 55F outside.  it just needs to be lower than normal body temp.17:28
akkWind is probably a factor too.17:28
nUboon2Ageakk: good point!  wind chill17:30
pleia2I don't know how the homeless in the northeast manage, even in philly (which I'd classify as "warm") they don't see 48F until spring17:30
nUboon2AgeFrom Wikipedia: Hypothermia is defined as any body temperature below 35.0 °C (95.0 °F). It is subdivided into four different degrees, mild 32–35 °C (90–95 °F); moderate, 28–32 °C (82–90 °F); severe, 20–28 °C (68–82 °F); and profound at less than 20 °C (68 °F).[917:30
pleia2that's body temp, not how it relates to outside temp17:31
nUboon2Ageyeah, i always wonder how people make it through pleia217:31
pleia2there are certainly homeless alerts when it gets below 20F (the shelters fill up and it becomes a problem)17:31
pleia2I know people grow used to certain temperatures, but does that actually translate into hypothermic reactions?17:33
nUboon2Agepleia2: yes, but let's say you are in air which is 96 degrees, but you are wet and there's a wind chill.  If that brings the body down below 98.5 then you've got a potentially life-threatening situation17:33
nUboon2Ageon the other hand17:33
pleia2yeah, I just don't know that it varies that much between people, if it's 96 with wind in florida how is that different from 96 with wind in new hampshire?17:34
nUboon2Ageif you adapt your body so that your metabolism keeps the body temp up even though the air temp is low17:34
nUboon2Ageyou can avoid hypothermia17:34
pleia2I don't actually know, I've never read anything about this :)17:34
akkpleia2: If it's 96 with wind in Arizona and you're wet, the water will evaporate much faster than it will in Florida at the same temp.17:35
nUboon2Agei grew up in Colorado and there as Boy Scouts we had to learn all about hypothermia since you can easily encounter it anytime you are outdoors especially.17:35
akkHowever, I'm not convinced of the liklihood of getting hypothermia at 96F. Any normal working mammal body can generate enough heat to keep itself warm at that temp.17:36
nUboon2Ageakk: agreed, very unlikely. but it makes the point that air temp is not the only factor but is the key factor and 48F is damn cold.17:37
pleia2my brother in law has to come in from the rigs when it gets -40, that's too cold :P17:37
nUboon2Age62 is considered min habitable air temp.17:37
nUboon2Agei also grew up in Duluth Minn. and so have experience being out in sub zero weather. :-)  pleia217:38
pleia2and you still think 48F is very cold?!17:38
pleia2hehe17:38
nUboon2Agepleia2: damn cold, espec. if you don't have adequate clothing which can be true for homeless.17:39
akkObviously clothing is a factor too. 48F is very cold if you have no clothing, not so cold at all if you're bundled in a snowmobile suit.17:39
pleia2I dunno, the ones I see around here have lots of blankets and coats this time of year17:39
nUboon2Agenote that the homeless don't tend to hang out in Duluth. 0_o pleia217:40
nUboon2Agepleia2: well if you're still alive you'll need some blankets and coats.17:40
pleia2yeah, not in maine either, but philly certainly has its fair share (below 20s is cold there, usually in the 30s all winter)17:40
nUboon2Agepleia2: yeah i definitely would NOT pick philly to hang out in if i were homeless. ;-)17:41
pleia2a lot came down to philly from NYC after 9/11 (big "clean up" of the city, "clean up" means sweep crime and homeless south)17:42
pleia2nyc is even colder17:42
nUboon2Agesome people seem to think being homeless is a calk walk or some kind of easy-going lifestyle that people choose to live for fun.  WRONG!17:42
nUboon2Agei know many people in Silicon Valley that lost their jobs in the dotcom bust and ended up on the streets.17:42
nUboon2Agei'm talking engineers, sys admins, scientists, etc.  Very well paid people who had a bad circumstance occur and they ended up destitute.17:43
pleia2I guess budget cuts in california means there aren't many programs for them? I don't know much about this in california yet (there were TONS of programs back east, the people who were on the streets tended to be mentally ill or otherwise refusing help)17:43
nUboon2Ageand trying to survive on the street with no alternative.17:44
pleia2families certainly didn't stay homeless for long17:44
nUboon2Agefamilies have it the worst.17:44
pleia2that's sad :(17:44
nUboon2Agefortunately there are some specialized shelters for families, providing they get connected with them.17:44
nUboon2Agebtw, since you mentioned the mentally ill pleia2, here in CA. you have to understand that way back in the 70's Reagan shut down many of the programs for the mentally ill and turned them directly to the streets.17:46
pleia2yep17:46
nUboon2Agepleia2: and this state has never recovered from that devastatingly cruel act.17:46
pleia2it got worse in the 90s, they shut down a lot of the remaining ones in Maine at least17:47
nUboon2Ageand again in the 2000s we have had yet another round of budget cuts that slice into care for the mentally ill esp. in California.17:47
nUboon2Agethis is the legacy of the Republicants in particular.  Not just Reagan here in CA, but the whole lot, including Wilson, Dukemejian, and Schwatzenegger.17:49
iheartubuntulets not forget the US gov running secrets ops on people by giving them drugs in the 60s and 70s17:49
nUboon2Ageiheartubuntu: oh hell yeah.  still do.17:50
nUboon2Agemaybe not so secret now, but they do it all the time iheartubuntu17:50
iheartubuntuthe us gov used to run tests on movie goers without their knowledge too17:50
nUboon2Age iheartubuntu, oh that's interesting.  say more.17:50
pleia2I dunno, I think we get into conspiracy territory here :)17:50
iheartubuntushowing a photo of popcorn every 50th frame rate or something, unseen by the human eye but the brain picks it up17:51
nUboon2Agethe u.s. goverment has been extremely involved in conspiracies over the years.  its their middle name pleia217:51
iheartubuntuand then a larger # of people who mentally saw that image compared to movie goers who were not exposed to those pics got up and got popcorn!17:51
iheartubuntui dont trust the USgov any more than any other country17:51
nUboon2Ageiheartubuntu: i know that advertisers/corporations have done a lot of that, but i hadn't heard the govt. had been involved iheartubuntu17:52
nUboon2Agein the popcorn thing that is iheartubuntu17:52
nUboon2Agei trust the u.s. government much less than other governments iheartubuntu, pleia217:53
iheartubuntuhaha17:53
iheartubuntui trust ubuntu more than MS or google17:53
nUboon2Agebecause i've got experience with them. 0_o17:53
nUboon2Ageme too iheartubuntu, ++ Ubuntu!!! pleia217:53
nUboon2Agebut of course their's probs with any human enterprise, Ubuntu/Canonical/Shuttleworth included.17:54
* iheartubuntu Shuttleworth is my God (hey, i want to have Ubuntu Membership some day :) )18:02
pleia2nooo, for membership you nede to say "pleia2 is my God" (Mark doesn't do memberships anymore, but I do!)18:04
akkGood, I'd rather be at pleia2's mercy than Shuttleworth's anyway. :)18:05
pleia2hehe18:06
* iheartubuntu pleia2 is my Goddess (OMG i said that)18:52
pleia2lol18:52
iheartubuntuso i got an iphone18:52
pleia2ewwww18:52
pleia2:)18:52
iheartubuntui know. but i went for it since there are a lot more apps18:53
iheartubuntuetrade, irc, etc18:53
akkI've been overwhelmed by the number of apps for android.18:53
iheartubuntuthere are some i need tho18:54
iheartubuntulike etrade to make trades18:54
akkyikes, etrade on a phone? I'd be afraid to put bank info on a phone.18:54
akkHeard so many security horror stories.18:54
iheartubuntureally18:54
DarkwingDuckiPhone?18:54
iheartubuntucant be much worse than etrade over wifi18:55
iheartubuntuor etrade with some grubby relative behind your back18:55
akkI don't worry too much about wpa2+ssl security.18:55
iheartubuntuor etrade on an xp18:55
iheartubuntu:D18:55
akkThough in truth, I don't do bank stuff on my laptop anyway.18:56
akkLaptops are so easy to steal.18:56
iheartubuntuim encrypted18:56
iheartubuntualthough ive broken that before pretty easy18:57
iheartubuntushh18:57
iheartubuntushhhh18:57
iheartubuntuand who am i. anyone could do it18:57
iheartubuntuhow is seidos liking SF bay area?18:58
seidosiheartubuntu, i have a meal and a roof over my head.  and it's rather peaceful where i'm staying, which is a good environment for meditation practice.19:03
seidosiheartubuntu, how is socal?  i am visiting on the 24th.  going to pick up a few things.  see the "other family"19:04
iheartubuntusounds nice! do you get around on the metro or muni? SF is very friendly for that19:04
iheartubuntucold down here. rain for the next 5 days i think19:04
iheartubuntucabbage is doing good19:04
iheartubuntulettuce great19:05
iheartubuntustrawberries great19:05
iheartubuntu:)19:05
seidosiheartubuntu, yeah it is.  muni and bart.  i went to berkeley the other day with a friend.  oh yeah, i got those seeds.  haven't planted them yet.  i think i have a URI19:10
seidosit flared up rather annoyingly last night, so today i am taking it easy.19:11
seidosyesterday was pretty draining on my batteries, walked about 4 or 5 miles19:11
seidosplus aikido class19:11
iheartubuntuwhich seeds did you pick?19:24
seidosiheartubuntu, some funky carrot, cucumber, jalapeno pepper, bell pepper, basil, cilantro, dill, and chives (well, chives was free)19:30
iheartubuntudid you go there directly? where was it petaluma or something.19:58
iheartubuntuseidos - sprouts are easy to grow wherever you  are and pack some good nutrients too20:53

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