[03:09] <MarkDude> pleia2, check out the pic >> http://picasaweb.google.com/ZAreasonDOTcom/Panoramas#5551482652825286322
[03:11] <pleia2> nice :)
[03:11] <pleia2> me and grant DO have doubles
[03:12] <pleia2> clones++
[03:12] <MarkDude> And Christian also
[03:12] <pleia2> oh yes, christian is standing behind christian
[03:12] <pleia2> haha
[03:16] <jdeslip> Nice.  I am bummed I couldn't make it :(
[03:16] <pleia2> you need clones too
[03:16] <jdeslip> apparently
[03:16] <akk> We're at Red Rock! Don't see anyone I recognize, though.
[03:17] <jdeslip> Sounds like a lot of $ was raised though.  That is swet.
[03:17] <jdeslip> sweet.
[03:17] <pleia2> yeah, christian tweeted earlier $1660 :)
[03:18] <akk> yay!
[03:18]  * pleia2 has had a very busy week, couldn't make it down to Red Rock this time
[03:19]  * MarkDude could not get that part  of the pic to match up- so I had to do it with GIMP, I figured I might as well make extra volunteers
[03:20] <pleia2> lol
[03:21] <MarkDude> ttyl
[03:55] <nUboon2Age> okay, so here we are at The Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View.  Akk, Dave, Steve, John and i am here.     jtatum, aaditya, crashsystems, outofjungle, pleia2, seidos, Yasumoto
[03:57] <outofjungle> nUboon2Age,  i forgot.. i'll be there in about 30 minutes :)
[03:58] <nUboon2Age> okay, looking forward to it outofjungle. :-)
[04:10] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: sorry I couldn't make it down this time, very busy week, needed a night at home to work on things :)
[04:12] <akk> The nerve! Trying to have a "life" or something.
[04:12] <akk> :)
[04:36] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: we're just happy to have you down whenever you get the chance. :-)
[05:23] <seidos> ah, he left...
[05:24] <seidos> locobot_2, transform
[05:24] <seidos> okay, back to work.
[06:07] <iheartubuntu> Was just at Burlington Coat factory and noticed they were using Redhat Linux on their registers
[06:08] <akk> nice!
[06:10] <iheartubuntu> It looked kinda old though
[06:12] <iheartubuntu> Redhat uses gnome?
[06:15] <akk> yeah
[06:15] <akk> Most distros use gnome.
[06:21] <iheartubuntu1> so redhat is fedora sorta kinda
[06:22] <akk> fedora is desktop/community redhat.
[16:17] <nUboon2Age> The Lindependence/Ubuntu Hour: Santa Cruz  - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/574/detail/  When: 	Wed, 29 Dec. 2010 18:00 - 19:00 UTC (+0000); Where: 	Santa Cruz Coffee Roasting Company in Santa Cruz;    outofjungle, mcgrof, jledbetter, jtatum, FashionGirl, crashsystems, crashsystems1, aaditya
[16:18] <jledbetter> Yes, sir
[16:57] <jdeslip> ls
[16:58] <jdeslip> It is miserable out today.
[16:58] <jdeslip> I just about froze walking to my office :(
[16:59] <nUboon2Age> so cold!  Hard to believe this is the San Jose/Bay Area i'm living in!
[17:01] <nUboon2Age> rainy and cold!  what a combo.  miserable is a great word for it.
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> i worry about the homeless on a day like today.  we have 7,000 homeless in Santa Clara co. alone and only 1,000 emergency shelter slots.
[17:10] <pleia2> it's still well above freezing here, 48F
[17:27] <nUboon2Age> hypothermia happens well above freezing pleia2, 46F here.
[17:28] <pleia2> I didn't know it varied
[17:28] <nUboon2Age> when you get wet you can easily go into hypothermia, even when its 55F outside.  it just needs to be lower than normal body temp.
[17:28] <akk> Wind is probably a factor too.
[17:30] <nUboon2Age> akk: good point!  wind chill
[17:30] <pleia2> I don't know how the homeless in the northeast manage, even in philly (which I'd classify as "warm") they don't see 48F until spring
[17:30] <nUboon2Age> From Wikipedia: Hypothermia is defined as any body temperature below 35.0 °C (95.0 °F). It is subdivided into four different degrees, mild 32–35 °C (90–95 °F); moderate, 28–32 °C (82–90 °F); severe, 20–28 °C (68–82 °F); and profound at less than 20 °C (68 °F).[9
[17:31] <pleia2> that's body temp, not how it relates to outside temp
[17:31] <nUboon2Age> yeah, i always wonder how people make it through pleia2
[17:31] <pleia2> there are certainly homeless alerts when it gets below 20F (the shelters fill up and it becomes a problem)
[17:33] <pleia2> I know people grow used to certain temperatures, but does that actually translate into hypothermic reactions?
[17:33] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: yes, but let's say you are in air which is 96 degrees, but you are wet and there's a wind chill.  If that brings the body down below 98.5 then you've got a potentially life-threatening situation
[17:33] <nUboon2Age> on the other hand
[17:34] <pleia2> yeah, I just don't know that it varies that much between people, if it's 96 with wind in florida how is that different from 96 with wind in new hampshire?
[17:34] <nUboon2Age> if you adapt your body so that your metabolism keeps the body temp up even though the air temp is low
[17:34] <nUboon2Age> you can avoid hypothermia
[17:34] <pleia2> I don't actually know, I've never read anything about this :)
[17:35] <akk> pleia2: If it's 96 with wind in Arizona and you're wet, the water will evaporate much faster than it will in Florida at the same temp.
[17:35] <nUboon2Age> i grew up in Colorado and there as Boy Scouts we had to learn all about hypothermia since you can easily encounter it anytime you are outdoors especially.
[17:36] <akk> However, I'm not convinced of the liklihood of getting hypothermia at 96F. Any normal working mammal body can generate enough heat to keep itself warm at that temp.
[17:37] <nUboon2Age> akk: agreed, very unlikely. but it makes the point that air temp is not the only factor but is the key factor and 48F is damn cold.
[17:37] <pleia2> my brother in law has to come in from the rigs when it gets -40, that's too cold :P
[17:37] <nUboon2Age> 62 is considered min habitable air temp.
[17:38] <nUboon2Age> i also grew up in Duluth Minn. and so have experience being out in sub zero weather. :-)  pleia2
[17:38] <pleia2> and you still think 48F is very cold?!
[17:38] <pleia2> hehe
[17:39] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: damn cold, espec. if you don't have adequate clothing which can be true for homeless.
[17:39] <akk> Obviously clothing is a factor too. 48F is very cold if you have no clothing, not so cold at all if you're bundled in a snowmobile suit.
[17:39] <pleia2> I dunno, the ones I see around here have lots of blankets and coats this time of year
[17:40] <nUboon2Age> note that the homeless don't tend to hang out in Duluth. 0_o pleia2
[17:40] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: well if you're still alive you'll need some blankets and coats.
[17:40] <pleia2> yeah, not in maine either, but philly certainly has its fair share (below 20s is cold there, usually in the 30s all winter)
[17:41] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: yeah i definitely would NOT pick philly to hang out in if i were homeless. ;-)
[17:42] <pleia2> a lot came down to philly from NYC after 9/11 (big "clean up" of the city, "clean up" means sweep crime and homeless south)
[17:42] <pleia2> nyc is even colder
[17:42] <nUboon2Age> some people seem to think being homeless is a calk walk or some kind of easy-going lifestyle that people choose to live for fun.  WRONG!
[17:42] <nUboon2Age> i know many people in Silicon Valley that lost their jobs in the dotcom bust and ended up on the streets.
[17:43] <nUboon2Age> i'm talking engineers, sys admins, scientists, etc.  Very well paid people who had a bad circumstance occur and they ended up destitute.
[17:43] <pleia2> I guess budget cuts in california means there aren't many programs for them? I don't know much about this in california yet (there were TONS of programs back east, the people who were on the streets tended to be mentally ill or otherwise refusing help)
[17:44] <nUboon2Age> and trying to survive on the street with no alternative.
[17:44] <pleia2> families certainly didn't stay homeless for long
[17:44] <nUboon2Age> families have it the worst.
[17:44] <pleia2> that's sad :(
[17:44] <nUboon2Age> fortunately there are some specialized shelters for families, providing they get connected with them.
[17:46] <nUboon2Age> btw, since you mentioned the mentally ill pleia2, here in CA. you have to understand that way back in the 70's Reagan shut down many of the programs for the mentally ill and turned them directly to the streets.
[17:46] <pleia2> yep
[17:46] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: and this state has never recovered from that devastatingly cruel act.
[17:47] <pleia2> it got worse in the 90s, they shut down a lot of the remaining ones in Maine at least
[17:47] <nUboon2Age> and again in the 2000s we have had yet another round of budget cuts that slice into care for the mentally ill esp. in California.
[17:49] <nUboon2Age> this is the legacy of the Republicants in particular.  Not just Reagan here in CA, but the whole lot, including Wilson, Dukemejian, and Schwatzenegger.
[17:49] <iheartubuntu> lets not forget the US gov running secrets ops on people by giving them drugs in the 60s and 70s
[17:50] <nUboon2Age> iheartubuntu: oh hell yeah.  still do.
[17:50] <nUboon2Age> maybe not so secret now, but they do it all the time iheartubuntu
[17:50] <iheartubuntu> the us gov used to run tests on movie goers without their knowledge too
[17:50] <nUboon2Age>  iheartubuntu, oh that's interesting.  say more.
[17:50] <pleia2> I dunno, I think we get into conspiracy territory here :)
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> showing a photo of popcorn every 50th frame rate or something, unseen by the human eye but the brain picks it up
[17:51] <nUboon2Age> the u.s. goverment has been extremely involved in conspiracies over the years.  its their middle name pleia2
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> and then a larger # of people who mentally saw that image compared to movie goers who were not exposed to those pics got up and got popcorn!
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> i dont trust the USgov any more than any other country
[17:52] <nUboon2Age> iheartubuntu: i know that advertisers/corporations have done a lot of that, but i hadn't heard the govt. had been involved iheartubuntu
[17:52] <nUboon2Age> in the popcorn thing that is iheartubuntu
[17:53] <nUboon2Age> i trust the u.s. government much less than other governments iheartubuntu, pleia2
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> haha
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> i trust ubuntu more than MS or google
[17:53] <nUboon2Age> because i've got experience with them. 0_o
[17:53] <nUboon2Age> me too iheartubuntu, ++ Ubuntu!!! pleia2
[17:54] <nUboon2Age> but of course their's probs with any human enterprise, Ubuntu/Canonical/Shuttleworth included.
[18:02]  * iheartubuntu Shuttleworth is my God (hey, i want to have Ubuntu Membership some day :) )
[18:04] <pleia2> nooo, for membership you nede to say "pleia2 is my God" (Mark doesn't do memberships anymore, but I do!)
[18:05] <akk> Good, I'd rather be at pleia2's mercy than Shuttleworth's anyway. :)
[18:06] <pleia2> hehe
[18:52]  * iheartubuntu pleia2 is my Goddess (OMG i said that)
[18:52] <pleia2> lol
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> so i got an iphone
[18:52] <pleia2> ewwww
[18:52] <pleia2> :)
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> i know. but i went for it since there are a lot more apps
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> etrade, irc, etc
[18:53] <akk> I've been overwhelmed by the number of apps for android.
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> there are some i need tho
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> like etrade to make trades
[18:54] <akk> yikes, etrade on a phone? I'd be afraid to put bank info on a phone.
[18:54] <akk> Heard so many security horror stories.
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> really
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> iPhone?
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> cant be much worse than etrade over wifi
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> or etrade with some grubby relative behind your back
[18:55] <akk> I don't worry too much about wpa2+ssl security.
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> or etrade on an xp
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> :D
[18:56] <akk> Though in truth, I don't do bank stuff on my laptop anyway.
[18:56] <akk> Laptops are so easy to steal.
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> im encrypted
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> although ive broken that before pretty easy
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> shh
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> shhhh
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> and who am i. anyone could do it
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> how is seidos liking SF bay area?
[19:03] <seidos> iheartubuntu, i have a meal and a roof over my head.  and it's rather peaceful where i'm staying, which is a good environment for meditation practice.
[19:04] <seidos> iheartubuntu, how is socal?  i am visiting on the 24th.  going to pick up a few things.  see the "other family"
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> sounds nice! do you get around on the metro or muni? SF is very friendly for that
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> cold down here. rain for the next 5 days i think
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> cabbage is doing good
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> lettuce great
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> strawberries great
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> :)
[19:10] <seidos> iheartubuntu, yeah it is.  muni and bart.  i went to berkeley the other day with a friend.  oh yeah, i got those seeds.  haven't planted them yet.  i think i have a URI
[19:11] <seidos> it flared up rather annoyingly last night, so today i am taking it easy.
[19:11] <seidos> yesterday was pretty draining on my batteries, walked about 4 or 5 miles
[19:11] <seidos> plus aikido class
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> which seeds did you pick?
[19:30] <seidos> iheartubuntu, some funky carrot, cucumber, jalapeno pepper, bell pepper, basil, cilantro, dill, and chives (well, chives was free)
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> did you go there directly? where was it petaluma or something.
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> seidos - sprouts are easy to grow wherever you  are and pack some good nutrients too