[00:00] <Broam> gonna obviously miss the meeting tonight.
[14:16] <Broam> so meeting - did anyone go?
[14:17] <joeyk> I did not
[14:18] <joeyk> traffic was horrible just from Annapolis to Pasadena let alone driving up 32 to Columbia
[14:26] <Broam> hmm.
[14:27] <Broam> thank ikkles
[14:27] <Broam> the irc and the forums are pretty low-activity
[14:38] <JonathanD> hi Broam
[14:38] <Broam> hey JonathanD
[14:38] <JonathanD> How goes man?
[14:38] <JonathanD> it's gettin cold out.
[14:38] <Broam> Workin'. Mostly RSS feeds & updating old asp pages. It's a living
[14:38] <Broam> I'd rather be hacking on a free or emerging-as-free telephony platform
[14:39] <JonathanD> Broam: come hang with me and ikkles when we start our business.
[14:39] <Broam> I'm listening...
[14:39] <JonathanD> Oh, I didn't mean we had a plan :p
[14:40] <Broam> oh.
[14:40] <JonathanD> It's not completely impossible, though, I suppose ;)
[14:40] <Broam> a friend keeps pushing me into having a side business of "Phones you Own" - rooted & unlocked, etc.
[14:41] <Broam> after finding my wife a G1 for $20, unlocking it (another $15)
[14:41] <Broam> and then rooting/modding the heck out of it
[14:42] <JonathanD> heh :D
[14:42] <JonathanD> Broam: I'd like to get to small business network building.
[14:42] <Broam> sounds like a fun time
[14:42] <JonathanD> like, 20-50 user stuff.
[14:43] <Broam> that seems doable.
[14:43] <Broam> I might start with nonprofits.
[14:43] <JonathanD> One of my ongoing projects is this thing I have setup in the basement...
[14:43] <Broam> continue;
[14:43] <JonathanD> I have a windows network, AD, exchange, file, print, and a handful of apps...
[14:43] <JonathanD> 5 workstations.
[14:43] <JonathanD> this is all virtual, of course.
[14:44] <JonathanD> and 4 servers, with redundancy on critical apps.
[14:44] <JonathanD> I'm attempting to duplicate every piece of functionality using ubuntu as a base.
[14:44] <Broam> cool.
[14:44] <JonathanD> So I have some documentation on what the fake business does, what the workflow is, etc.
[14:45] <JonathanD> I've not gotten very far with it really :)
[14:45] <JonathanD> I have the VMs, and I've built most of the windows network functions that will eventually be duped.
[14:45] <Broam> well having organized plans is actually something important.
[14:45] <Broam> Pre-built procedures for doing X or Y...plus documentation of what was performed
[14:46] <Broam> if your mail server goes down do this
[14:46] <JonathanD> exactly.
[14:46] <Broam> network-in-a-can
[14:46] <JonathanD> Documentation is key ;)
[14:47] <JonathanD> customer has these needs...
[14:47] <JonathanD> 1. Can we meet them, and 2. Which procedures do we take to get there.
[14:48] <JonathanD> and document any changes from the standard deployment
[14:48] <JonathanD> I've worked under such a model before. When I did the IBM stuff.
[14:48] <JonathanD> I think I've discovered a key training method, too.
[14:48] <Broam> continue?
[14:49] <JonathanD> The first task given to a new hire in such an organization should be a "fix" that requires the good docs you already have.
[14:49] <JonathanD> Probably the first several.
[14:50] <JonathanD> By the time the new hire walks into an implementation, they'll have performed several fixes using previous docs, and hopefully realize why they are important.
[14:50] <Broam> I like that.
[14:50] <Broam> if they bother to read tfm
[14:51] <JonathanD> Pretty much without fail, documentation improved AFTER someone had to fix something and didn't have it.  Then they would go on a stint of improving it (often without billing since it's "make up work")
[14:51] <JonathanD> well, likewise, first few fixes should be mentored.
[14:51] <JonathanD> I know I was.
[14:52] <JonathanD> Couple guys at that job told me they'd come work for me if I ever went into business myself, so it's sort of been in the back of my mind since then.
[14:53] <Broam> sounds like a plan
[14:56] <JonathanD> In good time, I suppose.
[14:56] <JonathanD> Need funds first :)
[18:59] <Broam> hey jbicha
[18:59] <jbicha> howdy
[18:59] <Broam> how's your friday?
[19:00] <JonathanD> howdy jbicha
[19:00] <jbicha> fine, snow is kinda fun
[19:03] <Broam> my wife just got a job
[19:03] <Broam> 6mo internship
[19:04] <jbicha> doing what?
[19:05] <jbicha> I'm looking for a job too
[19:06] <Broam> I think it's w/ UPS
[19:06] <Broam> linux stuff factored into it I know that