| cyberanger | techMiles: define ubuntu-minimal | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| cyberanger | (ugh, last night was long | 00:19 |
| cyberanger | slept through the day cause of it) | 00:19 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i was speaking of the minimal install cd is that correct? | 00:20 |
| techMiles | that's what I was thinking. | 00:20 |
| techMiles | the alternate installer? | 00:20 |
| techMiles | I think they used to call it the minimal installer | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | yes and no | 00:20 |
| chris4585 | the alternative installer isn't the minimal iso | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | the minimal and alternate isos can do what's needed | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | minimal iso is ubuntu's way of saying network install | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: what your wanting is a cli install | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | same method for both discs | 00:21 |
| wrst | ahh ok guess the network pulls in all the current so no updating | 00:22 |
| cyberanger | yeah, and a much smaller iso, at the cost of more bandwidth in the end | 00:23 |
| wrst | yeah 15MB i think | 00:23 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: at the first screen, hit f4, go from normal to cli | 00:24 |
| cyberanger | (or the boot cheat code cli) | 00:24 |
| techMiles | okies | 00:25 |
| techMiles | question. | 00:25 |
| techMiles | if I install this on a seperate HDD | 00:25 |
| techMiles | will that cause issues w/ the bootloader? | 00:25 |
| wrst | actually that should be less bandwidth for a cli install from the minimal you don't download gnome that way like with the alt install | 00:25 |
| techMiles | because I reformatted ubuntu before (had messed stuff up, etc, and wanted a fully fresh start) and then the comp wouldn't find the bootloader | 00:25 |
| techMiles | until I ran a repair on the mBR | 00:25 |
| techMiles | MBR* | 00:26 |
| chris4585 | but you can do cli install from alt cd also right? | 00:26 |
| techMiles | then ofc it only found windows. | 00:26 |
| chris4585 | I always went the minimal iso way | 00:26 |
| cyberanger | wrst: it's flucuated a bit between releases, I was thinking 34 mb (and I was taking into account the repeated downloads) | 00:28 |
| cyberanger | yes, you can use the alternate install | 00:33 |
| cyberanger | (which is what I've done, with a bash script and packages, I've got an entire offline install that way) | 00:34 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: in theroy no, grub2 should adjust, however you've heard of murphy's law right? | 00:36 |
| techMiles | yeap. lol | 00:36 |
| techMiles | I s'pose I need to make a grub boot disc. | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | I mean, that's kinda it, your doing something that could be a mess | 00:37 |
| techMiles | it's worked fine before. | 00:37 |
| techMiles | but yeah | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | one thought, is unplugging the other drive | 00:38 |
| techMiles | eh it's the one with ALL my stuff on it. | 00:39 |
| techMiles | else I would've. | 00:39 |
| cyberanger | oh | 00:39 |
| techMiles | at the time, i didn't have time to rearrange everything. college was beginning again. lol | 00:39 |
| wrst | techMiles: grub2 sucks! | 00:39 |
| techMiles | I guess what I can do is use the 180GB that's in there for OS's, and then use the 1.5TB for extra data only | 00:40 |
| cyberanger | wrst: grub2 has come a long way | 00:40 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: do you think that a good solution? | 00:40 |
| cyberanger | Virtualbox first, yeah, I mean, it's easier to start over, and then when all is well, do a physical install | 00:42 |
| cyberanger | (the idea of unplugging the 2nd drive isn't necessary, just thinking it'd help your data, but it sounds like it won't) | 00:43 |
| techMiles | yeah. I think what I'm going to do is use only one drive for OS | 00:43 |
| techMiles | 's | 00:43 |
| techMiles | and the other for just data | 00:44 |
| techMiles | because I thin kthe issue was that it wants to read from where I currently have windows/etc, instead of the other 180GB drive. | 00:44 |
| techMiles | even though the 180 is disk 1. | 00:44 |
| techMiles | :/ | 00:44 |
| techMiles | maybe grub install broke id | 00:44 |
| wrst | cyberanger: just when i think grub2 actually works it bites me in the rear end | 00:44 |
| techMiles | either way, am going to try it again | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | wrst: well, I didn't say it was perfect (grub isn't either, bootloaders and perfection is like drinking and driving, oil and water) | 00:45 |
| techMiles | well brb. almost tbbt time | 00:47 |
| wrst | yeah but they can atleast half work cyberanger | 00:47 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: I do really suggest virtualbox first (your building your own system, in a very litteral sense) just easier to get the feel nailed down, work out some kinks | 00:47 |
| cyberanger | wrst: idk, I've used grub2 alot lately, and you did help grub2 fail | 00:48 |
| cyberanger | with maranda and ubuntu | 00:49 |
| wrst | mandriva, fedora... etc etc but strangely enough with arch it works | 00:54 |
| wrst | asking two distros to boot shouldn't be too much | 00:54 |
| cyberanger | yes, but on a new bootloader, with distro's messing with configs | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | hard to say where the blame is | 00:55 |
| wrst | i'm a user... i don't really care cyberanger :) i just want it to work | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | that was one nice thing with boot.cfg, it was too generic, nobody could fool with it too much | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | yes, but your a user blaming who? where was the fault, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva, grub2 | 00:56 |
| cyberanger | and remember, down the road you'll be a user needing grub2, becuase of limits in grub | 00:57 |
| wrst | i don't care who is to blame it sucks :) | 00:59 |
| wrst | cyberanger: that's the thing if ubuntu really wants to reach the masses the masses don't care who to blame they just want it to work | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | well, if "it" is ubuntu, that ubuntu sucks | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | and your right, but would the masses dual boot with fedora | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | or would the masses need a bootloader that supports their system (which is why grub2 was chosen) | 01:02 |
| wrst | but cyberanger from my investigation its grub 2 | 01:02 |
| wrst | but ubuntu sucks too for including something that doesn't work | 01:03 |
| wrst | so the entire system bites cyberanger ! | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | well, why though, I mean, I've done what you did sense then (tri boot actually) | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | no issues | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | I did it more recently, I blame the sucess on all of them (after all they all worked) | 01:05 |
| wrst | i think in 10.10 it does work much better cyberanger but i still have bad memories of it, and its still far from perfect or far from grub legacy | 01:05 |
| cyberanger | well, it also does things grub legacy can't (which is why I continue evualuating it, and I've ran into a case already of grub2 or nothing) | 01:07 |
| cyberanger | idk, I agree, perfect it isn't | 01:07 |
| cyberanger | and it | 01:08 |
| wrst | but what is perfect? :) | 01:08 |
| cyberanger | s a newer version in 10.10 | 01:08 |
| cyberanger | exactly | 01:08 |
| wrst | yes | 01:08 |
| cyberanger | but the newer version also was tweaked (as was the older one) | 01:08 |
| wrst | but as i just logged into vista and win 7... well theres a lot more there to gripe about! | 01:12 |
| wrst | after talking with techMiles i might go for a more minimal install this next go round cyberanger | 01:13 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, griping about a user is one thing, a user of windows is another ;-) | 01:15 |
| wrst | but cyberanger they just added one of the cool things about grub2 in natty started theming the boot menu some | 01:18 |
| cyberanger | yeah, I don't see that | 01:19 |
| wrst | its just purple and the font is smaller but still cool | 01:21 |
| wrst | but unity has quit working for me again | 01:21 |
| wrst | and now its back... | 01:22 |
| cyberanger | oh, that's old | 02:06 |
| cyberanger | I think legacy could do that too | 02:06 |
| wrst | oh yeah mandriva had a nice theme for a while forgot about that | 02:13 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: still here? | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | no, I am now just a bot | 02:45 |
| techMiles | oh, damn. :P | 02:45 |
| techMiles | well cyberangerbot | 02:45 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: yeah, but bare with me, dinner calls | 02:45 |
| techMiles | no worries. :) | 02:45 |
| techMiles | OH grub is installed on the first HDD, but it only opens up a grub v1.98.. and brings me to a grub> prompt.. | 02:46 |
| cyberanger | wonderful, that was one concern | 02:56 |
| cyberanger | hang on, fix to follow | 02:57 |
| techMiles | okies. | 02:58 |
| techMiles | have alternative installer on USB key-- booted to UNetbootin screen, awaiting further instructions. | 02:59 |
| cyberanger | wait, if you hadn't done that, how'd grub break | 03:00 |
| techMiles | wat? this is from when I tried to redo ubuntu a few months ago. | 03:02 |
| cyberanger | did you already try to install? | 03:02 |
| techMiles | a few months ago | 03:02 |
| techMiles | it did this, I had no time to learn how to fix and then fix and hope it'd work how I needed it to. | 03:02 |
| techMiles | so I left it | 03:02 |
| cyberanger | oh, are we trying to save it, or scrap and start | 03:02 |
| techMiles | which do you recommend? | 03:02 |
| techMiles | either one is fine with me. | 03:03 |
| cyberanger | well, was that a cli install | 03:04 |
| techMiles | uhh. i don't remember, honestly. | 03:04 |
| cyberanger | assume no and continue | 03:10 |
| techMiles | alright. | 03:10 |
| techMiles | so just continue with a cli install as I normally might? | 03:10 |
| cyberanger | if you don't know if it needs to be saved, why save it | 03:10 |
| cyberanger | yes | 03:10 |
| cyberanger | we'll scrap the partition anyhow | 03:11 |
| techMiles | true. | 03:11 |
| cyberanger | save to destroy, no point | 03:11 |
| techMiles | wyat's the diff in regular cli install vs expert cli install? | 03:11 |
| cyberanger | alot, for your needs here, go with ubuntu's regular one | 03:12 |
| cyberanger | (expert has alot more options, debians way | 03:12 |
| techMiles | I did, but was curious. | 03:13 |
| cyberanger | but we'd choose alot more stuff and the result won't be too much) | 03:13 |
| techMiles | ahh | 03:13 |
| techMiles | so more detailed? | 03:13 |
| cyberanger | oh yeah | 03:13 |
| cyberanger | and it can be usefu, but this case it's not too much | 03:14 |
| techMiles | that's for later. :) | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | btw, which image did you grab | 03:15 |
| techMiles | the alternate .iso | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | ok, that in ways is helpful | 03:17 |
| techMiles | well that's good. lol | 03:17 |
| techMiles | LVM, yes or no? | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | for this not nessarlly, but down the road | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | have you used LVM before | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | yes no idk | 03:18 |
| techMiles | yes. | 03:18 |
| techMiles | I used to know what it was. | 03:18 |
| techMiles | something virtual management? | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | logical Volume Manager | 03:19 |
| cyberanger | I'd assume no | 03:19 |
| techMiles | okay | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | it's the kinda thing where if you ask like that, assume no | 03:20 |
| techMiles | here's the rub. I am at the partitioning bit | 03:20 |
| techMiles | I want it to use the entire 180GB disc I have | 03:20 |
| techMiles | but not the 1.5TB | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | it's got it's uses | 03:20 |
| techMiles | but the only thing it gives me under use entire disk, is the 'use entire disc' it doesn't tell me which is which | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | ok, do you want the 1.5TB mounted though, for music | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | or just do that as needed | 03:21 |
| techMiles | as-desired | 03:21 |
| cyberanger | ok | 03:21 |
| cyberanger | if you click on use entire disk, one of two things will happen | 03:22 |
| cyberanger | one, it then asks which disc, which we want | 03:22 |
| cyberanger | or two, it'll show changes to make and ask to confirm (we don't want that if it's the 1.5tb drive) | 03:23 |
| techMiles | confirm screens are good. | 03:23 |
| techMiles | okay | 03:23 |
| techMiles | using entire 120GB disc. | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | until you confirm changes, it should not touch data | 03:23 |
| techMiles | I lied, I thought it was 180, but it isn't. | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | well, what is it (shouldn't matter) | 03:24 |
| techMiles | yeah. I selected the one I want, so no matter | 03:24 |
| cyberanger | oh, 120GB | 03:24 |
| cyberanger | now I know why you upgraded | 03:26 |
| techMiles | lol | 03:26 |
| techMiles | ruh roh. 'deboostrap warning: Warning: Couldn't download package ifupdown" | 03:29 |
| cyberanger | are you online (I mean with that machine) | 03:30 |
| techMiles | should be. | 03:31 |
| techMiles | net was connected before I started this. | 03:31 |
| techMiles | it got the tiem for me | 03:32 |
| techMiles | and DHCP | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | by cable, not wifi | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | cat5 | 03:32 |
| techMiles | yes. | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | ok | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | restart, run without cable | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | (seems the repo it's using is part to blame) | 03:33 |
| techMiles | can I continue or just go back? | 03:33 |
| cyberanger | I'd stop, tell it to abort | 03:33 |
| techMiles | alright. | 03:33 |
| cyberanger | reboot with that cable out | 03:33 |
| techMiles | I kept hitting go back, go back... eh it's trying to do more. jsut hold pwr button? | 03:34 |
| cyberanger | if it's an issue twice, then the disc is part to blame | 03:34 |
| cyberanger | but atm I don't expect that | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | yeah | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | just make sure it's not running an active task | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | but I don't think it is atm | 03:36 |
| techMiles | it's said 'installing the base system' | 03:36 |
| cyberanger | hit alt f4 (a less known detail about this installer) | 03:37 |
| cyberanger | and what's it saying | 03:38 |
| techMiles | kernelL eth0: link down | 03:40 |
| cyberanger | and before that | 03:41 |
| techMiles | debtoostrap: good sinature from "Ubuntu archive Automatic Signing Key | 03:41 |
| cyberanger | one more | 03:42 |
| techMiles | signature moade sun oct, etc... | 03:42 |
| techMiles | signature made** | 03:42 |
| cyberanger | ok, anything new show up? | 03:42 |
| techMiles | it gives me a debug a few lines up | 03:42 |
| techMiles | want that one? | 03:43 |
| techMiles | no. just says link down. | 03:43 |
| cyberanger | is it related to ifupdown | 03:43 |
| techMiles | erm. the link went up. | 03:43 |
| techMiles | uhh, no. don't see anything about ifup or ifdown | 03:43 |
| techMiles | but it just said eth0: link up | 03:43 |
| techMiles | >.> | 03:43 |
| cyberanger | hit alt f2 | 03:43 |
| techMiles | finicky thing. | 03:43 |
| techMiles | 'please press enter to activate this console' | 03:44 |
| cyberanger | I'm sorry, f1 not f2 | 03:45 |
| techMiles | aha. so what do I hit to get out of the BusyBox shell? | 03:45 |
| techMiles | ah | 03:46 |
| techMiles | it's on retrieving readline-common... | 03:46 |
| techMiles | at installing the base system | 03:46 |
| cyberanger | so we might actually be ok | 03:46 |
| cyberanger | link down, then up | 03:46 |
| cyberanger | bad cable, connection | 03:47 |
| cyberanger | somewhere, you, isp, them idk | 03:47 |
| cyberanger | but we'll go with it for now | 03:47 |
| tjcertified | hey does anyone in here do much serious php web development? For some reason, I was thinking that pace_t_zulu did... | 03:47 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: it hasn't moved. | 03:48 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: give it a moment, it's perked my intrest atm | 03:48 |
| techMiles | okies. | 03:48 |
| techMiles | tjcertified: I | 03:48 |
| techMiles | I'd love to do, but am just learning stages of a lot. | 03:48 |
| techMiles | so I can't help ya, sorry | 03:49 |
| cyberanger | tjcertified: sure someone does, I don't have PHP yet | 03:49 |
| tjcertified | techMiles: that's okay. I am looking for someone who might be able to give me decent details on current PEAR classes | 03:49 |
| tjcertified | I hate re-creating the wheel when there is perfectly good stuff out there for stuff like basic web authentication | 03:50 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: any changes | 03:52 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: newp | 03:52 |
| techMiles | oh alt+f4 gives me some | 03:52 |
| techMiles | starting pid 430, tty '/dev/ttys': '-/bin/sh' | 03:52 |
| techMiles | process pid 430 exited, scheduling for restart. | 03:53 |
| techMiles | but the alt+f1 screen still says retrievingreadline-common | 03:53 |
| techMiles | sorry for the errors, am on a netbook | 03:53 |
| cyberanger | it's fine, they're minimal | 03:53 |
| cyberanger | power down | 03:54 |
| cyberanger | minimal risk | 03:54 |
| techMiles | powering down | 03:54 |
| techMiles | starting over | 03:56 |
| cyberanger | cable out? | 03:57 |
| techMiles | yes | 03:57 |
| cyberanger | ok | 03:57 |
| techMiles | "do not configure the network at this time" ? | 03:58 |
| cyberanger | (once we do the install from the disc, we have more control over apt, and no need a few packages, the very packages we've have issues with so far seem to be the most common irratant | 03:58 |
| cyberanger | ) | 03:58 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: correct (we've got that covered a few steps from now, after the install disc is done) | 03:59 |
| techMiles | ehh it errors at the archive mirror selection | 04:00 |
| cyberanger | what? | 04:00 |
| techMiles | says 'choose a mirror of the ubuntu archive' it gives me the US one.. I hit continue | 04:00 |
| techMiles | it says 'bad archive mirror' | 04:00 |
| cyberanger | your using the alternate disc | 04:00 |
| cyberanger | right | 04:00 |
| techMiles | yes | 04:00 |
| techMiles | downloaded it today | 04:01 |
| cyberanger | sounds like your not, sounds like your using the minimal | 04:01 |
| techMiles | I selected the alternate .iso torrent to dl. | 04:01 |
| techMiles | shall I try agian w/ the network cable? | 04:02 |
| cyberanger | gimme a moment | 04:02 |
| cyberanger | alt f2 | 04:04 |
| cyberanger | hit enter | 04:04 |
| cyberanger | ifconfig | 04:04 |
| cyberanger | (it's bugging me, that It's both offline and seeking an external mirror) | 04:04 |
| techMiles | -/bin/sh: ifconfig: not found | 04:05 |
| cyberanger | oh right | 04:05 |
| cyberanger | can you get it to go back to network detection | 04:06 |
| techMiles | yes | 04:06 |
| techMiles | select that one? | 04:06 |
| cyberanger | (I've done this 100 times fine, this way, and your doing 101 and it's failing) | 04:07 |
| cyberanger | well, not failing, but irratating | 04:07 |
| techMiles | asks me to select a mirror. | 04:08 |
| techMiles | and says bad archive mirror again | 04:08 |
| techMiles | want me to try it with the cable in again? might've just been a fluke | 04:09 |
| cyberanger | I'll let it be your call | 04:11 |
| cyberanger | I'm here to help | 04:11 |
| techMiles | bno harm in another attempt, I say. | 04:11 |
| cyberanger | you'll need to detect the network again too, easy | 04:12 |
| techMiles | yes. | 04:12 |
| techMiles | that's done | 04:12 |
| techMiles | already through the archive bit. | 04:12 |
| techMiles | checked it, said it's fine | 04:12 |
| techMiles | loading additional components | 04:12 |
| techMiles | btw, I found some place sonline that offer free linux classes | 04:13 |
| techMiles | probably going to look into those. | 04:13 |
| techMiles | esp the bash scripting ones, if I can find some. | 04:13 |
| techMiles | setting up clock | 04:14 |
| techMiles | detecting hardware | 04:14 |
| techMiles | starting up partitioner | 04:14 |
| cyberanger | ok, same as before | 04:16 |
| cyberanger | good | 04:16 |
| techMiles | writing partition changes | 04:16 |
| techMiles | installing base system | 04:17 |
| techMiles | can't wait till i upgrade all of this to GbE. :) | 04:19 |
| cyberanger | do you live in chattanooga or host a local mirror | 04:20 |
| techMiles | ah it's gotten further | 04:23 |
| techMiles | neither. | 04:23 |
| techMiles | sorry | 04:23 |
| techMiles | internal GbE | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | than what'll GbE do | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | I bet your ISP is slower than your switch then | 04:24 |
| techMiles | eh increase throughput from the switch. give more internal efficiency to get more out of the WAN connection | 04:24 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: yeah... | 04:24 |
| techMiles | am hoping to get 24mb | 04:24 |
| techMiles | soon-ish | 04:24 |
| techMiles | as in, first half of 2011. lol | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | I'm hoping to get 10GB Ether myself (not gonna happen) and get my internal wifi going | 04:25 |
| cyberanger | opps, Internale mirror* | 04:25 |
| techMiles | hehe | 04:28 |
| techMiles | that'd be awesome | 04:28 |
| techMiles | so you have one mirror that updates every x amount of times | 04:28 |
| techMiles | that all the other internal machines get the pckgs from? | 04:28 |
| techMiles | kinda like windows update services | 04:28 |
| techMiles | on Win Server | 04:28 |
| cyberanger | yeah, but better | 04:29 |
| techMiles | lol. | 04:29 |
| cyberanger | and it's not yet done | 04:29 |
| techMiles | that'd be awesome. | 04:29 |
| techMiles | W00t | 04:29 |
| techMiles | it worked this time | 04:29 |
| * techMiles crosses fingers for the rest of it | 04:29 | |
| techMiles | hm | 04:30 |
| techMiles | should I encrypt home dir? | 04:30 |
| cyberanger | uh, no | 04:32 |
| cyberanger | I mean, I like all encryption | 04:32 |
| cyberanger | but we can get it right and repeat | 04:32 |
| techMiles | yeah. | 04:32 |
| techMiles | alrighty | 04:32 |
| techMiles | installing software | 04:35 |
| techMiles | tyvm cyberanger | 04:35 |
| cyberanger | so, install finished, time to boot into it? | 04:36 |
| techMiles | hope so! | 04:37 |
| techMiles | oop, not quite there yet. | 04:37 |
| techMiles | 11% at select and install software | 04:37 |
| cyberanger | hehe | 04:37 |
| techMiles | I want the 24mb down so bad. :P | 04:38 |
| chris4585 | techMiles, I would kill any kind of cable | 04:38 |
| chris4585 | I have satellite... | 04:39 |
| techMiles | ickk | 04:39 |
| techMiles | for the first 5 years we lived here, we could only get satellite internet | 04:39 |
| techMiles | or ridiculously expensive cable | 04:39 |
| techMiles | so we had dial-up, much to my dismay | 04:39 |
| chris4585 | hughesnet? | 04:39 |
| techMiles | 56k never happened | 04:39 |
| chris4585 | oh | 04:39 |
| techMiles | more like 31.1kbps | 04:39 |
| techMiles | with maybe a 5-7kbps download | 04:39 |
| chris4585 | well its either dialup or what we have now... 2mbps but 525mb/day downlaod limit | 04:40 |
| chris4585 | between 2am - 7am its free and fast | 04:40 |
| chris4585 | just the latency is horrible | 04:40 |
| techMiles | yeah | 04:40 |
| techMiles | I have a friend on hughesnet | 04:40 |
| techMiles | ofc, he's a blackhat, so doesn't really need faster internet. | 04:40 |
| techMiles | :P | 04:40 |
| techMiles | he'd just abuse it. | 04:41 |
| chris4585 | I'd just love to be able to play games | 04:41 |
| techMiles | we have at&t | 04:41 |
| techMiles | yeah | 04:41 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: 70% | 04:41 |
| techMiles | installing GRUB boot loader | 04:42 |
| cyberanger | brb | 04:42 |
| techMiles | this is where it always gets sketchy for me. lol | 04:42 |
| techMiles | ahhh it's reooting for windows | 04:44 |
| techMiles | will try selecting the other HDD | 04:44 |
| techMiles | on boot | 04:44 |
| cyberanger | back | 04:45 |
| techMiles | wb | 04:45 |
| techMiles | selected other hdd. | 04:45 |
| techMiles | gives me flashing _ prompt | 04:46 |
| techMiles | otherwise blank | 04:46 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: yeah, I remember hughesnet, work or temporary | 04:46 |
| cyberanger | and I am glad it's over, but it did cause me to learn alot of tricks | 04:46 |
| cyberanger | hold that thought | 04:47 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: I thought we were past that already | 04:47 |
| cyberanger | what's flashing exactly | 04:47 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: I rebooted, it booted into windows automagically... I rebooted and selected the other HDD, and this is where it is. | 04:47 |
| techMiles | the underscore | 04:47 |
| techMiles | everything else is blank | 04:47 |
| techMiles | just one flashing underscore | 04:47 |
| cyberanger | alt f4 | 04:50 |
| cyberanger | output? | 04:51 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: have I told you any of my tricks | 04:51 |
| cyberanger | and how many ubuntu machines do you have there | 04:51 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: no change | 04:51 |
| cyberanger | hang on | 04:51 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, yeah I only really maintain one | 04:51 |
| cyberanger | back | 04:52 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: same prompt, no info | 04:53 |
| cyberanger | alt f1 and f4 | 04:53 |
| techMiles | correct | 04:53 |
| techMiles | correct | 04:53 |
| techMiles | can't type, either. | 04:53 |
| cyberanger | and we didn't finish with the installer | 04:54 |
| techMiles | it finished | 04:54 |
| techMiles | grub installer came up, I said it found one other operating system: windows, and I told it to write that to the mbr. | 04:54 |
| techMiles | was that the wrong thing to do? | 04:54 |
| cyberanger | and this it it rebooted | 04:57 |
| cyberanger | with just an underscore | 04:57 |
| techMiles | yes | 04:57 |
| techMiles | a flashing underscore | 04:57 |
| cyberanger | yes, it told you to reboot, and you did, then this | 04:59 |
| cyberanger | just checking for clarity | 04:59 |
| cyberanger | is that right techMiles ? | 05:01 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: how many machines, any OS | 05:01 |
| chris4585 | 4 technically but I only maintain 1 | 05:03 |
| chris4585 | my tv doesn't really need updating | 05:03 |
| chris4585 | my laptop I only really play with it | 05:03 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: yes. | 05:03 |
| cyberanger | your TV? | 05:04 |
| chris4585 | and the living room comp I update like once every 6 months.. | 05:04 |
| chris4585 | my tv is a computer with a tvtuner | 05:04 |
| techMiles | I rebooted, and it went to boot into windows, so I rebooted again and went to the menu where I can select a specific HDD | 05:04 |
| chris4585 | and ubuntu runs it beautifully | 05:04 |
| techMiles | and selected the HDD i had ubuntu install to | 05:04 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: so it booted to windows becuase of GRUB or the machine | 05:05 |
| techMiles | is it perhaps because windows and ubuntu are on two different HDD? | 05:05 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: idk. it didn't go to GRUB at all | 05:05 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: is that all machines on your network there, or just yours | 05:05 |
| techMiles | so that'd be a no to GRUB. | 05:05 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: it booted to windows outside grub | 05:05 |
| techMiles | yes | 05:06 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, there is also my PS3 and my parents computer with xp | 05:06 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: your sure? cause grub can boot windows (well, pass the boot process to windows bootloader more accurately | 05:08 |
| cyberanger | but yeah) | 05:08 |
| techMiles | yes. the GRUB prompt never showed up | 05:08 |
| techMiles | I will try again for extra sure. | 05:08 |
| cyberanger | yeah, if you would, we gotta pin it down or start again | 05:09 |
| cyberanger | and I'd prefer to pin it down | 05:09 |
| techMiles | I might try a different route if this fails | 05:09 |
| techMiles | because I want to redo my windows installation, too. | 05:09 |
| chris4585 | reinstall again? | 05:09 |
| techMiles | will probably do them both onto the same disk. | 05:09 |
| techMiles | newp. no GRUB prompt at all | 05:09 |
| chris4585 | why not just try reinstalling grub itself instead of the whole thing? | 05:10 |
| techMiles | chris4585: for a clean install and fresh start on both | 05:10 |
| techMiles | esp the windows. and ubuntu because I can't access the ubuntu installation I just did. | 05:10 |
| techMiles | no GRUB prompt comes up, from either HDD i choose to boot from (or attempt to boot from) | 05:10 |
| chris4585 | techMiles, did you install grub to the mbr? | 05:11 |
| techMiles | yes | 05:11 |
| chris4585 | thats strange, I'm not good with installing with 2 hdds though | 05:12 |
| techMiles | well, my second HDD is about to be only for storage, not for OS | 05:13 |
| chris4585 | I'm better at solving my own issues than helping with others usually | 05:15 |
| cyberanger | sorry gimme a mnt | 05:26 |
| cyberanger | pets | 05:26 |
| techMiles | np | 05:27 |
| cyberanger | between my dad getting in, work was slammed, got in late (weather and nursing, ugh) and pets going crazy | 05:28 |
| cyberanger | that took a bit | 05:28 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: got a live disc? | 05:29 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: I have a USB key w/ it on there. | 05:29 |
| cyberanger | can you boot it up | 05:30 |
| techMiles | I can in just a minute. | 05:31 |
| techMiles | hopefully getting it fixed will help me out. lol. for when I have to do it agian | 05:31 |
| techMiles | I just don't undrstand. I've done this before. | 05:31 |
| techMiles | with no issues at all | 05:31 |
| techMiles | mmk am there | 05:33 |
| techMiles | WHOA | 05:33 |
| techMiles | there's grub | 05:33 |
| cyberanger | well... gimme a status report | 05:34 |
| techMiles | GRUB is apparently on the usb drive | 05:35 |
| techMiles | I selected it to boot from t USB drive | 05:35 |
| techMiles | and there's grub.. | 05:35 |
| techMiles | so boot into ubuntu? | 05:35 |
| cyberanger | oh no | 05:37 |
| cyberanger | yes | 05:37 |
| cyberanger | boot | 05:38 |
| techMiles | uhmm | 05:38 |
| techMiles | it brings up the prompt | 05:38 |
| techMiles | but before I could login it's giving me an error. | 05:38 |
| techMiles | ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen | 05:38 |
| techMiles | then ata3.00 failed command: SET FEATURES | 05:39 |
| techMiles | ata3.00: cmd ef/[lots of hex here]/40 tag 0 | 05:39 |
| techMiles | and three more errors, another with res, the hex Emask 0x4 (timeout, another line with ata3.00L status: {DRDY} and last line of ata3: softreset failed (device not ready) | 05:40 |
| techMiles | then I get a flashing cursor | 05:40 |
| cyberanger | so, was that the install key, or the livecd key? | 05:40 |
| techMiles | the one I used to install | 05:41 |
| techMiles | sorry, I was thinking incorrectly | 05:41 |
| techMiles | I am used to using a livecd to install. | 05:42 |
| techMiles | and in this case, they aren't the same. | 05:42 |
| techMiles | meh. crap. | 05:42 |
| techMiles | will backup windows, redo the whooooole thing..... lol. | 05:43 |
| techMiles | needs it anyway | 05:43 |
| techMiles | heh | 05:43 |
| techMiles | though, trying to login again, it lets me login to the CLI screen | 05:43 |
| techMiles | can I fix this from here? | 05:43 |
| cyberanger | wait, what | 05:46 |
| techMiles | after all the errors | 05:46 |
| techMiles | I hit enter again. | 05:47 |
| techMiles | it brings me to the login prompt again | 05:47 |
| techMiles | I login, it works.. | 05:47 |
| cyberanger | so did the install work, or do we have an error | 05:47 |
| techMiles | it worked. | 05:47 |
| techMiles | however, GRUB is in the wrooooong place... lol | 05:47 |
| cyberanger | df -h | 05:49 |
| techMiles | what am I looking for? | 05:49 |
| cyberanger | that commands output | 05:50 |
| cyberanger | do you have networking going | 05:50 |
| cyberanger | ? | 05:50 |
| techMiles | it brings me up a list of filesystems and where they are mounted | 05:50 |
| techMiles | yes networking is fine | 05:50 |
| cyberanger | df -h | | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us | 05:52 |
| cyberanger | opps | 05:52 |
| cyberanger | df -h | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us | 05:52 |
| techMiles | installing curl | 05:53 |
| cyberanger | then it'll have a link begining with http://sprunge.us/ | 05:53 |
| cyberanger | oh, right | 05:53 |
| techMiles | http://sprung.us.UAGR | 05:53 |
| techMiles | er. | 05:54 |
| techMiles | sprung.us/UAGR | 05:54 |
| techMiles | sprunge | 05:55 |
| techMiles | wow. sorry | 05:55 |
| techMiles | and: kudos for a very cool trip I'm going to attempt to remember. lol | 05:55 |
| cyberanger | trip or tip | 05:58 |
| techMiles | both. but mostly the tip on sprunge | 05:59 |
| cyberanger | oh, guess where you installed the whole bloddy system | 05:59 |
| techMiles | lol | 06:00 |
| techMiles | I selected the 120GB HDD | 06:00 |
| techMiles | to use the whole thing. | 06:00 |
| techMiles | I swear. :/ | 06:00 |
| techMiles | I think it's just GRUB that's on the USB drive. | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | doesn | 06:01 |
| cyberanger | t appear to be | 06:01 |
| techMiles | I'm going back to using discs. -_- | 06:01 |
| cyberanger | cat /etc/mtab /etc/fstab | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | we'll confirm with that | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | oh, USB keys can be useful, but they also write ;-) | 06:03 |
| techMiles | but this is no 120GB drive | 06:03 |
| techMiles | and I know I selected it to install in the 120GB hdd. | 06:03 |
| techMiles | :. | 06:03 |
| techMiles | :'/ | 06:03 |
| techMiles | http://sprunge.us/XYBD | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | /dev/sda1 106G 840M 100G 1% / | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | it's bigger than a hdd | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | but /boot isn't clear | 06:04 |
| cyberanger | hrm | 06:05 |
| techMiles | brb | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | boot appears to be on the 106G drive (not sure where 14G went) | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | ok techMiles | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: so you have 4 computers, a PS3 and your folks have one? | 06:07 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, correct | 06:08 |
| cyberanger | your four are some kinn of ubuntu? | 06:09 |
| techMiles | back | 06:10 |
| techMiles | meh | 06:10 |
| techMiles | will scrap it | 06:10 |
| techMiles | backup windows | 06:10 |
| techMiles | reinstall it | 06:10 |
| techMiles | and will begin this adventure again | 06:10 |
| cyberanger | ok | 06:10 |
| chris4585 | yeah, my TV runs 9.04 I think, my laptop is 10.10, this one is 10.10 and the living room comp is 10.04 maybe? | 06:10 |
| techMiles | but perhaps with a LIVEcd.... even though it's significantly faster with a usb drive. | 06:10 |
| cyberanger | unfortunate for your time | 06:10 |
| cyberanger | alternate cd (for rescue, a live cd) | 06:11 |
| techMiles | cyberanger: idk of any other solutions, really.. lol. | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | techMiles: reboot to windows | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | check it out | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | see how it is | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu may be ok | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | grub might be iffy | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | but if your gonna redo windows, we can redo grub after (kinda have to) | 06:12 |
| techMiles | well grub cannot stay on this usb key | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | it doesn't appear to be on that key | 06:12 |
| techMiles | well, explain why it only shows up when I specifically tell my computer to boot to the USB key. | 06:13 |
| techMiles | :/ | 06:13 |
| techMiles | booting to windows the same way I booted into ubuntu works fine as well | 06:14 |
| cyberanger | remove the key and try | 06:16 |
| techMiles | I tried both HDDs before inserting the key again and trying it. | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | ok, well, idk | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | if you wanna try from square one, start with windows | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | the output you gave shows one drive | 06:18 |
| techMiles | neither one brought up GRUB. attempting to boot to the HDD where I told the installer to put Ubuntu got me that blank screen with the flashing underscore cursor | 06:18 |
| techMiles | and attempting to boot to the HDD where windows is currently installed, brings up windows just fine like always. | 06:18 |
| cyberanger | and it's a 106GB drive kinda big for a usb key | 06:18 |
| techMiles | but not for ubuntu if that's the 120GB hdd I told the installer to put it on. | 06:21 |
| cyberanger | your logs show it that way (add swap space, perhaps some deadspace, and that'd explain the logs well) | 06:23 |
| cyberanger | Morning and TGIF | 14:16 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: have you ever considered a proxy, at least for your machines | 14:22 |
| cyberanger | take the load off your connection some | 14:23 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: Morning and TGIF | 14:23 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: hey, I am sick like a dog ... and at work for some reason | 14:25 |
| * cyberanger wonders if he repeats his last statement, would it help shine a ray of relief | 14:27 | |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: Morning and TGIF, hope you get better | 14:27 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i think i amy move back to quassel | 14:29 |
| * cyberanger thinks wrst should reconsider, smartphone and all | 14:30 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: why? | 14:30 |
| linuxman410 | anyone here | 14:34 |
| wrst | just not worth what i lose using irssi having access is nice on the phone | 14:34 |
| wrst | but i don't use it that much | 14:34 |
| wrst | hey linuxman410 | 14:34 |
| linuxman410 | wrst did you get a email from launchpad about a hacked computer | 14:35 |
| wrst | i don't think so linuxman410 ? | 14:35 |
| wrst | what's up? | 14:35 |
| linuxman410 | wrst some guy from launchpad emailed me and wanted to know if i could help with a hacked computer running 10.10 | 14:39 |
| linuxman410 | his name was tom crowley | 14:40 |
| cyberanger | linuxman410: nope, I hadn't | 14:41 |
| linuxman410 | how come he picked me out of everyone | 14:42 |
| linuxman410 | i know it is a launchpad email it looks like the other emails i get when u aprrove someones membership | 14:43 |
| cyberanger | a question for him, and one I want to ask | 14:43 |
| linuxman410 | approve | 14:43 |
| cyberanger | wrst and I approve people, lp admins | 14:44 |
| linuxman410 | you can ask him the question if u want | 14:44 |
| cyberanger | but your more active than I am on nlug and klug | 14:44 |
| cyberanger | maybe you made a splash somewhere else, and thus the email? | 14:45 |
| cyberanger | mistook you for a guy with the same name | 14:45 |
| linuxman410 | cyberanger they still have not updated my email at launchpad they are still sending to my old one that is still working for right now | 14:47 |
| cyberanger | you can update it, can't you? | 14:47 |
| linuxman410 | i did | 14:47 |
| cyberanger | but they haven't show the change? | 14:47 |
| linuxman410 | i even remone the old one | 14:48 |
| linuxman410 | removed | 14:48 |
| cyberanger | but they haven't show the change? | 14:53 |
| linuxman410 | no i just logged in and my new email is there but everything goes to old address | 14:54 |
| linuxman410 | cyberanger i completely removed old address forom launpad | 14:55 |
| linuxman410 | launchpad | 14:55 |
| linuxman410 | well i go to go to work back later | 14:57 |
| cyberanger | ok, sounds like a plan, just wish I could have told you I found an idea | 14:58 |
| cyberanger | hehe | 14:59 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i kinda missed about half that...? | 15:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst: it's ok, it was meant for linuxman410 and he missed it all | 15:16 |
| cyberanger | he's changed email addresses, launchpad isn't really switching well | 15:16 |
| wrst | i've been having issues with launchpad being slow on some merge proposals lately | 15:33 |
| cyberanger | that's outside my knowledge (I thought last night you said you were a user, it should just work, when talking bootloaders, this sounds like a bzr branch, a developer issue ;-)) | 15:41 |
| wrst | ha ha it is a bzr branch but only on some documentation :) | 15:44 |
| cyberanger | why use bzr then, that's what a wiki's for | 15:46 |
| wrst | its part of the app, also going to be web/pdf/and in the help menu | 15:53 |
| wrst | cyberanger: http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ | 15:54 |
| wrst | its pretty cool stuff, you code it then using the makefile you creat html or pdf and also the documentation that is actually part of the application | 15:54 |
| Xpistos | how do I delete a directory with files in it? | 16:12 |
| Xpistos | rmdir -rf FOLDER | 16:12 |
| wrst | rm -r folder | 16:12 |
| wrst | if i'm not mistaken | 16:13 |
| wrst | yes Xpistos just tested that to make for sure | 16:13 |
| Xpistos | rm -rf FOLDER | 16:16 |
| wrst | yes :) | 16:16 |
| cyberanger | rm -r | 16:17 |
| wrst | i vote with cyberanger :) | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | -f is for force | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | kinda nice to see an error first ;-) | 16:18 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i have found it best to not force things | 16:18 |
| wrst | cyberanger: one of these does i'm going to do that to root folder just to watch it burn :) | 16:18 |
| cyberanger | yeah, good luck | 16:21 |
| Xpistos | how do I check the size of the sub folders within a given older | 16:22 |
| wrst | ha ha well cyberanger when i'm going to do a fresh install | 16:27 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: say again | 16:30 |
| cyberanger | wrst: in that case, nuke it first >:-) | 16:31 |
| cyberanger | }-- | 16:31 |
| wrst | yeah cyberanger what iw as thinking | 16:32 |
| wrst | *I was | 16:32 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: I found it | 16:46 |
| Xpistos | du -s -h folder | 16:46 |
| Xpistos | or du -s -h folder/* | 16:47 |
| cyberanger | oh, show folder size, sorted by age | 16:57 |
| cyberanger | that's what he said | 17:07 |
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