[00:18] techMiles: define ubuntu-minimal [00:19] (ugh, last night was long [00:19] slept through the day cause of it) [00:20] cyberanger: i was speaking of the minimal install cd is that correct? [00:20] that's what I was thinking. [00:20] the alternate installer? [00:20] I think they used to call it the minimal installer [00:20] yes and no [00:20] the alternative installer isn't the minimal iso [00:20] the minimal and alternate isos can do what's needed [00:21] minimal iso is ubuntu's way of saying network install [00:21] techMiles: what your wanting is a cli install [00:21] same method for both discs [00:22] ahh ok guess the network pulls in all the current so no updating [00:23] yeah, and a much smaller iso, at the cost of more bandwidth in the end [00:23] yeah 15MB i think [00:24] techMiles: at the first screen, hit f4, go from normal to cli [00:24] (or the boot cheat code cli) [00:25] okies [00:25] question. [00:25] if I install this on a seperate HDD [00:25] will that cause issues w/ the bootloader? [00:25] actually that should be less bandwidth for a cli install from the minimal you don't download gnome that way like with the alt install [00:25] because I reformatted ubuntu before (had messed stuff up, etc, and wanted a fully fresh start) and then the comp wouldn't find the bootloader [00:25] until I ran a repair on the mBR [00:26] MBR* [00:26] but you can do cli install from alt cd also right? [00:26] then ofc it only found windows. [00:26] I always went the minimal iso way [00:28] wrst: it's flucuated a bit between releases, I was thinking 34 mb (and I was taking into account the repeated downloads) [00:33] yes, you can use the alternate install [00:34] (which is what I've done, with a bash script and packages, I've got an entire offline install that way) [00:36] techMiles: in theroy no, grub2 should adjust, however you've heard of murphy's law right? [00:36] yeap. lol [00:37] I s'pose I need to make a grub boot disc. [00:37] I mean, that's kinda it, your doing something that could be a mess [00:37] it's worked fine before. [00:37] but yeah [00:38] one thought, is unplugging the other drive [00:39] eh it's the one with ALL my stuff on it. [00:39] else I would've. [00:39] oh [00:39] at the time, i didn't have time to rearrange everything. college was beginning again. lol [00:39] techMiles: grub2 sucks! [00:40] I guess what I can do is use the 180GB that's in there for OS's, and then use the 1.5TB for extra data only [00:40] wrst: grub2 has come a long way [00:40] cyberanger: do you think that a good solution? [00:42] Virtualbox first, yeah, I mean, it's easier to start over, and then when all is well, do a physical install [00:43] (the idea of unplugging the 2nd drive isn't necessary, just thinking it'd help your data, but it sounds like it won't) [00:43] yeah. I think what I'm going to do is use only one drive for OS [00:43] 's [00:44] and the other for just data [00:44] because I thin kthe issue was that it wants to read from where I currently have windows/etc, instead of the other 180GB drive. [00:44] even though the 180 is disk 1. [00:44] :/ [00:44] maybe grub install broke id [00:44] cyberanger: just when i think grub2 actually works it bites me in the rear end [00:45] either way, am going to try it again [00:45] wrst: well, I didn't say it was perfect (grub isn't either, bootloaders and perfection is like drinking and driving, oil and water) [00:47] well brb. almost tbbt time [00:47] yeah but they can atleast half work cyberanger [00:47] techMiles: I do really suggest virtualbox first (your building your own system, in a very litteral sense) just easier to get the feel nailed down, work out some kinks [00:48] wrst: idk, I've used grub2 alot lately, and you did help grub2 fail [00:49] with maranda and ubuntu [00:54] mandriva, fedora... etc etc but strangely enough with arch it works [00:54] asking two distros to boot shouldn't be too much [00:55] yes, but on a new bootloader, with distro's messing with configs [00:55] hard to say where the blame is [00:55] i'm a user... i don't really care cyberanger :) i just want it to work [00:55] that was one nice thing with boot.cfg, it was too generic, nobody could fool with it too much [00:56] yes, but your a user blaming who? where was the fault, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva, grub2 [00:57] and remember, down the road you'll be a user needing grub2, becuase of limits in grub [00:59] i don't care who is to blame it sucks :) [01:01] cyberanger: that's the thing if ubuntu really wants to reach the masses the masses don't care who to blame they just want it to work [01:01] well, if "it" is ubuntu, that ubuntu sucks [01:01] and your right, but would the masses dual boot with fedora [01:02] or would the masses need a bootloader that supports their system (which is why grub2 was chosen) [01:02] but cyberanger from my investigation its grub 2 [01:03] but ubuntu sucks too for including something that doesn't work [01:04] so the entire system bites cyberanger ! [01:04] well, why though, I mean, I've done what you did sense then (tri boot actually) [01:04] no issues [01:05] I did it more recently, I blame the sucess on all of them (after all they all worked) [01:05] i think in 10.10 it does work much better cyberanger but i still have bad memories of it, and its still far from perfect or far from grub legacy [01:07] well, it also does things grub legacy can't (which is why I continue evualuating it, and I've ran into a case already of grub2 or nothing) [01:07] idk, I agree, perfect it isn't [01:08] and it [01:08] but what is perfect? :) [01:08] s a newer version in 10.10 [01:08] exactly [01:08] yes [01:08] but the newer version also was tweaked (as was the older one) [01:12] but as i just logged into vista and win 7... well theres a lot more there to gripe about! [01:13] after talking with techMiles i might go for a more minimal install this next go round cyberanger [01:15] wrst: yeah, griping about a user is one thing, a user of windows is another ;-) [01:18] but cyberanger they just added one of the cool things about grub2 in natty started theming the boot menu some [01:19] yeah, I don't see that [01:21] its just purple and the font is smaller but still cool [01:21] but unity has quit working for me again [01:22] and now its back... [02:06] oh, that's old [02:06] I think legacy could do that too [02:13] oh yeah mandriva had a nice theme for a while forgot about that [02:44] cyberanger: still here? [02:45] no, I am now just a bot [02:45] oh, damn. :P [02:45] well cyberangerbot [02:45] techMiles: yeah, but bare with me, dinner calls [02:45] no worries. :) [02:46] OH grub is installed on the first HDD, but it only opens up a grub v1.98.. and brings me to a grub> prompt.. [02:56] wonderful, that was one concern [02:57] hang on, fix to follow [02:58] okies. [02:59] have alternative installer on USB key-- booted to UNetbootin screen, awaiting further instructions. [03:00] wait, if you hadn't done that, how'd grub break [03:02] wat? this is from when I tried to redo ubuntu a few months ago. [03:02] did you already try to install? [03:02] a few months ago [03:02] it did this, I had no time to learn how to fix and then fix and hope it'd work how I needed it to. [03:02] so I left it [03:02] oh, are we trying to save it, or scrap and start [03:02] which do you recommend? [03:03] either one is fine with me. [03:04] well, was that a cli install [03:04] uhh. i don't remember, honestly. [03:10] assume no and continue [03:10] alright. [03:10] so just continue with a cli install as I normally might? [03:10] if you don't know if it needs to be saved, why save it [03:10] yes [03:11] we'll scrap the partition anyhow [03:11] true. [03:11] save to destroy, no point [03:11] wyat's the diff in regular cli install vs expert cli install? [03:12] alot, for your needs here, go with ubuntu's regular one [03:12] (expert has alot more options, debians way [03:13] I did, but was curious. [03:13] but we'd choose alot more stuff and the result won't be too much) [03:13] ahh [03:13] so more detailed? [03:13] oh yeah [03:14] and it can be usefu, but this case it's not too much [03:14] that's for later. :) [03:15] btw, which image did you grab [03:16] the alternate .iso [03:17] ok, that in ways is helpful [03:17] well that's good. lol [03:17] LVM, yes or no? [03:18] for this not nessarlly, but down the road [03:18] have you used LVM before [03:18] yes no idk [03:18] yes. [03:18] I used to know what it was. [03:18] something virtual management? [03:19] logical Volume Manager [03:19] I'd assume no [03:20] okay [03:20] it's the kinda thing where if you ask like that, assume no [03:20] here's the rub. I am at the partitioning bit [03:20] I want it to use the entire 180GB disc I have [03:20] but not the 1.5TB [03:20] it's got it's uses [03:20] but the only thing it gives me under use entire disk, is the 'use entire disc' it doesn't tell me which is which [03:20] ok, do you want the 1.5TB mounted though, for music [03:21] or just do that as needed [03:21] as-desired [03:21] ok [03:22] if you click on use entire disk, one of two things will happen [03:22] one, it then asks which disc, which we want [03:23] or two, it'll show changes to make and ask to confirm (we don't want that if it's the 1.5tb drive) [03:23] confirm screens are good. [03:23] okay [03:23] using entire 120GB disc. [03:23] until you confirm changes, it should not touch data [03:23] I lied, I thought it was 180, but it isn't. [03:24] well, what is it (shouldn't matter) [03:24] yeah. I selected the one I want, so no matter [03:24] oh, 120GB [03:26] now I know why you upgraded [03:26] lol [03:29] ruh roh. 'deboostrap warning: Warning: Couldn't download package ifupdown" [03:30] are you online (I mean with that machine) [03:31] should be. [03:31] net was connected before I started this. [03:32] it got the tiem for me [03:32] and DHCP [03:32] by cable, not wifi [03:32] cat5 [03:32] yes. [03:32] ok [03:32] restart, run without cable [03:33] (seems the repo it's using is part to blame) [03:33] can I continue or just go back? [03:33] I'd stop, tell it to abort [03:33] alright. [03:33] reboot with that cable out [03:34] I kept hitting go back, go back... eh it's trying to do more. jsut hold pwr button? [03:34] if it's an issue twice, then the disc is part to blame [03:35] but atm I don't expect that [03:35] yeah [03:35] just make sure it's not running an active task [03:36] but I don't think it is atm [03:36] it's said 'installing the base system' [03:37] hit alt f4 (a less known detail about this installer) [03:38] and what's it saying [03:40] kernelL eth0: link down [03:41] and before that [03:41] debtoostrap: good sinature from "Ubuntu archive Automatic Signing Key [03:42] one more [03:42] signature moade sun oct, etc... [03:42] signature made** [03:42] ok, anything new show up? [03:42] it gives me a debug a few lines up [03:43] want that one? [03:43] no. just says link down. [03:43] is it related to ifupdown [03:43] erm. the link went up. [03:43] uhh, no. don't see anything about ifup or ifdown [03:43] but it just said eth0: link up [03:43] >.> [03:43] hit alt f2 [03:43] finicky thing. [03:44] 'please press enter to activate this console' [03:45] I'm sorry, f1 not f2 [03:45] aha. so what do I hit to get out of the BusyBox shell? [03:46] ah [03:46] it's on retrieving readline-common... [03:46] at installing the base system [03:46] so we might actually be ok [03:46] link down, then up [03:47] bad cable, connection [03:47] somewhere, you, isp, them idk [03:47] but we'll go with it for now [03:47] hey does anyone in here do much serious php web development? For some reason, I was thinking that pace_t_zulu did... [03:48] cyberanger: it hasn't moved. [03:48] techMiles: give it a moment, it's perked my intrest atm [03:48] okies. [03:48] tjcertified: I [03:48] I'd love to do, but am just learning stages of a lot. [03:49] so I can't help ya, sorry [03:49] tjcertified: sure someone does, I don't have PHP yet [03:49] techMiles: that's okay. I am looking for someone who might be able to give me decent details on current PEAR classes [03:50] I hate re-creating the wheel when there is perfectly good stuff out there for stuff like basic web authentication [03:52] techMiles: any changes [03:52] cyberanger: newp [03:52] oh alt+f4 gives me some [03:52] starting pid 430, tty '/dev/ttys': '-/bin/sh' [03:53] process pid 430 exited, scheduling for restart. [03:53] but the alt+f1 screen still says retrievingreadline-common [03:53] sorry for the errors, am on a netbook [03:53] it's fine, they're minimal [03:54] power down [03:54] minimal risk [03:54] powering down [03:56] starting over [03:57] cable out? [03:57] yes [03:57] ok [03:58] "do not configure the network at this time" ? [03:58] (once we do the install from the disc, we have more control over apt, and no need a few packages, the very packages we've have issues with so far seem to be the most common irratant [03:58] ) [03:59] techMiles: correct (we've got that covered a few steps from now, after the install disc is done) [04:00] ehh it errors at the archive mirror selection [04:00] what? [04:00] says 'choose a mirror of the ubuntu archive' it gives me the US one.. I hit continue [04:00] it says 'bad archive mirror' [04:00] your using the alternate disc [04:00] right [04:00] yes [04:01] downloaded it today [04:01] sounds like your not, sounds like your using the minimal [04:01] I selected the alternate .iso torrent to dl. [04:02] shall I try agian w/ the network cable? [04:02] gimme a moment [04:04] alt f2 [04:04] hit enter [04:04] ifconfig [04:04] (it's bugging me, that It's both offline and seeking an external mirror) [04:05] -/bin/sh: ifconfig: not found [04:05] oh right [04:06] can you get it to go back to network detection [04:06] yes [04:06] select that one? [04:07] (I've done this 100 times fine, this way, and your doing 101 and it's failing) [04:07] well, not failing, but irratating [04:08] asks me to select a mirror. [04:08] and says bad archive mirror again [04:09] want me to try it with the cable in again? might've just been a fluke [04:11] I'll let it be your call [04:11] I'm here to help [04:11] bno harm in another attempt, I say. [04:12] you'll need to detect the network again too, easy [04:12] yes. [04:12] that's done [04:12] already through the archive bit. [04:12] checked it, said it's fine [04:12] loading additional components [04:13] btw, I found some place sonline that offer free linux classes [04:13] probably going to look into those. [04:13] esp the bash scripting ones, if I can find some. [04:14] setting up clock [04:14] detecting hardware [04:14] starting up partitioner [04:16] ok, same as before [04:16] good [04:16] writing partition changes [04:17] installing base system [04:19] can't wait till i upgrade all of this to GbE. :) [04:20] do you live in chattanooga or host a local mirror [04:23] ah it's gotten further [04:23] neither. [04:23] sorry [04:24] internal GbE [04:24] than what'll GbE do [04:24] I bet your ISP is slower than your switch then [04:24] eh increase throughput from the switch. give more internal efficiency to get more out of the WAN connection [04:24] cyberanger: yeah... [04:24] am hoping to get 24mb [04:24] soon-ish [04:24] as in, first half of 2011. lol [04:25] I'm hoping to get 10GB Ether myself (not gonna happen) and get my internal wifi going [04:25] opps, Internale mirror* [04:28] hehe [04:28] that'd be awesome [04:28] so you have one mirror that updates every x amount of times [04:28] that all the other internal machines get the pckgs from? [04:28] kinda like windows update services [04:28] on Win Server [04:29] yeah, but better [04:29] lol. [04:29] and it's not yet done [04:29] that'd be awesome. [04:29] W00t [04:29] it worked this time [04:29] * techMiles crosses fingers for the rest of it [04:30] hm [04:30] should I encrypt home dir? [04:32] uh, no [04:32] I mean, I like all encryption [04:32] but we can get it right and repeat [04:32] yeah. [04:32] alrighty [04:35] installing software [04:35] tyvm cyberanger [04:36] so, install finished, time to boot into it? [04:37] hope so! [04:37] oop, not quite there yet. [04:37] 11% at select and install software [04:37] hehe [04:38] I want the 24mb down so bad. :P [04:38] techMiles, I would kill any kind of cable [04:39] I have satellite... [04:39] ickk [04:39] for the first 5 years we lived here, we could only get satellite internet [04:39] or ridiculously expensive cable [04:39] so we had dial-up, much to my dismay [04:39] hughesnet? [04:39] 56k never happened [04:39] oh [04:39] more like 31.1kbps [04:39] with maybe a 5-7kbps download [04:40] well its either dialup or what we have now... 2mbps but 525mb/day downlaod limit [04:40] between 2am - 7am its free and fast [04:40] just the latency is horrible [04:40] yeah [04:40] I have a friend on hughesnet [04:40] ofc, he's a blackhat, so doesn't really need faster internet. [04:40] :P [04:41] he'd just abuse it. [04:41] I'd just love to be able to play games [04:41] we have at&t [04:41] yeah [04:41] cyberanger: 70% [04:42] installing GRUB boot loader [04:42] brb [04:42] this is where it always gets sketchy for me. lol [04:44] ahhh it's reooting for windows [04:44] will try selecting the other HDD [04:44] on boot [04:45] back [04:45] wb [04:45] selected other hdd. [04:46] gives me flashing _ prompt [04:46] otherwise blank [04:46] chris4585: yeah, I remember hughesnet, work or temporary [04:46] and I am glad it's over, but it did cause me to learn alot of tricks [04:47] hold that thought [04:47] techMiles: I thought we were past that already [04:47] what's flashing exactly [04:47] cyberanger: I rebooted, it booted into windows automagically... I rebooted and selected the other HDD, and this is where it is. [04:47] the underscore [04:47] everything else is blank [04:47] just one flashing underscore [04:50] alt f4 [04:51] output? [04:51] chris4585: have I told you any of my tricks [04:51] and how many ubuntu machines do you have there [04:51] cyberanger: no change [04:51] hang on [04:51] cyberanger, yeah I only really maintain one [04:52] back [04:53]