[07:15] <micahg> mr_pouit: am I ok to upload a similar powerpc fix for exo to the one that doko did for libsfce4ui?
[07:33] <micahg> mr_pouit: oh, I guess you did it 5 minutes before I had it ready :-/
[09:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: eh sorry, I saw the ftbfs mail when I woke up, so I uploaded the fix immediately ;]
[12:56] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:26] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: fresh install today, desktop does not start; live cd same - desktop does not start. It is installed. I can start it myself.
[14:32] <mr_pouit> not sure why, I tried the current i386 daily image this morning, and it started :]
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I just ran it on hardware, got panels without the desktop wallpaper. 
[14:33] <charlie-tca> I can't get virtualbox to work in Natty now. 
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Maybe it dislikes my ATI 9800 ?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Oh, wait. This is yesterday's live cd
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Today's failed to build
[14:36] <mr_pouit> I don't know, I still need to disable "launch gnome services" in the default config, otherwise xfce4-session will try to start half of gnome (i.e. even desktop files with OnlyShowIn=GNOME;) afaik
[14:36] <mr_pouit> yeah, it failed
[14:36] <charlie-tca> great... I will wait for another build to file bugs
[14:39] <mr_pouit> but it won't affect existing configs
[14:40] <mr_pouit> so you should uncheck the box in xfce4-session settings ;)
[14:40] <charlie-tca> This is running the live cd
[14:40] <mr_pouit> and see if it's better
[14:40] <mr_pouit> mmh, ok
[14:40] <mr_pouit> anything in .xsession-errors ?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> My install is working
[14:41] <charlie-tca> forgot to look
[14:44] <charlie-tca> doesn't look like it
[14:44] <charlie-tca> We can wait and see next week
[14:51] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: is apport following your gtk+ theme?
[14:52] <charlie-tca> I don't understand
[14:52] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: the apport window that appears, is it correctly themed?
[14:52] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen an apport crash on natty in the panel
[14:52] <mr_pouit> when I tried this morning, it was "plain ugly grey"
[14:53] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:53] <mr_pouit> mmh, maybe you can make it appear with "apport-bug"
[14:53] <mr_pouit> (in a terminal)
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen any crashes come up
[14:54] <mr_pouit> yeah yeah, I know, I had to provoke one to see apport ;>
[14:54] <charlie-tca> checking
[14:55] <charlie-tca> what package works?
[14:55] <charlie-tca> linux and thunar and vbox are not guenuine packages
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I can't force one
[14:56] <charlie-tca> apparently all my packages are "not a genuine Xubuntu package"
[14:57] <charlie-tca> lol; must have faked everything on here... ;-)
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I like greybird more than bluebird
[15:29] <charlie-tca> just my 2 cents
[15:29] <mr_pouit> hehe
[15:30] <mr_pouit> if you add xfce4-verve-plugin, can you see what you type in the tex area ?
[15:30] <mr_pouit> *text
[15:30] <mr_pouit> with bluebird it seems to be white on white ;)
[15:30] <charlie-tca> it worked with dictionary plugin, let me check
[15:31] <mr_pouit> no need to, if it works with dict-plugin, it's okay
[15:32] <charlie-tca> going to verify anyway, maybe I used a different theme when I tested it
[15:33] <charlie-tca> isn't white on white hard to see?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> very light gray on white
[15:34] <charlie-tca> very hard to see in greybird too
[15:35] <charlie-tca> I have to hilight the text to see it
[15:37] <mr_pouit> yeah, with bluebird it's invisible :p
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I will have to install a floppy drive in a test unit to check the bugs from that. My system with the working drive lost the motherboard
[15:42] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are we really going to try and support floppy drives in Natty?
[15:43] <mr_pouit> "[Build #2081503] powerpc build of xfce4-panel 4.7.6-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu natty RELEASE" <<< micahg, it's for you if you want :P (I will only be at home in 2~3h, so I'll do it if you haven't done it already ;)
[15:43] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: if gio supports mounting floppy drives, yeah ;>
[15:43] <mr_pouit> otherwise, we don't care
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will check it out then. 
[15:47] <mr_pouit> micahg: oops, nvm, doko was faster :p
[16:24] <ochosi> hi everyone
[16:25] <ochosi> about the invisible text: i'll check it out in a few mins, have to reboot to natty
[16:25] <ochosi> haven't noticed that problem yet though
[16:25] <ochosi> maybe some new behaviour of murrine...
[16:26] <charlie-tca> It is only the panel apps, as far as I know
[16:26] <ochosi> aha
[16:26] <ochosi> interesting
[16:26] <ochosi> true
[16:26] <ochosi> it's the same in maverick
[16:26] <ochosi> thanks for reporting that
[16:27] <ochosi> is it problematic in any other plugin than verve?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> xfce4-dictionary
[16:28] <ochosi> mhm
[16:28] <ochosi> kay, i'll try to fix the panel code asap
[16:28] <charlie-tca> We seem to be a bit fussy now. Wanting to read the text that got typed! ;-)
[16:29] <ochosi> btw, i made a new gtk-scale style for greybird, will push that in a few mins
[16:29] <ochosi> would be interested what you say
[16:29] <ochosi> it should be more visible and better for accessibility now
[16:29] <charlie-tca> I like that idea
[16:30] <ochosi> i'll maybe also try to quickly fix the panel-text problem
[16:38] <ochosi> k, i fixed it
[16:38] <ochosi> i'll commit the stuff in a few mins
[16:38] <ochosi> can any of you test the fix on natty?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:38] <charlie-tca> let me know
[16:41] <ochosi> charlie-tca: just pushed the changes, should now be available in the hg-repo
[16:42] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Looks the same
[17:00] <ochosi> really?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:00] <ochosi> k, will check myself quickly in natty
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I have to hilight the text to see that I typed it
[17:00] <ochosi> the fix worked in maverick
[17:00] <ochosi> brb
[17:02] <charlie-tca> ochosi: it works now in verve plugin but not in dictionary plugin
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Letters are very sharp in verve plugin
[17:04] <ochosi> charlie-tca: please specify the dict-problem
[17:04] <ochosi> dict is only a launcher button as far as i can see
[17:05] <ochosi> ah right
[17:05] <ochosi> now i see
[17:05] <charlie-tca> When you add it to the panel, you add a book and a blank
[17:05] <ochosi> well, not by default
[17:05] <charlie-tca> no? mine did
[17:05] <ochosi> by default it's without the textbox in the panel (at least here)
[17:05] <ochosi> but nevermind, i'll fix it
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:06] <charlie-tca> sorry for the confusion
[17:06] <ochosi> no problem
[17:07] <ochosi> it's a pity that the systray is still broken
[17:08] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:09] <charlie-tca> But, they don't shrink all the way gone everyday :-)
[17:09] <ochosi> :)
[17:10] <ochosi> hm, strange that the fix doesn't apply for the dict-plugin, it's using the same widget as the verve plugin
[17:11] <charlie-tca> hm, before we couldn't type in either one, but that got fixed finally
[17:16] <ochosi> hm, i think i won't have enough time to fix xfce-dict for now, g2g
[17:16] <ochosi> i'll put it on the todo-list for greybird
[17:17] <charlie-tca> That works, too. Didn't expect you to jump right in 
[17:18] <ochosi> well, it seemed easy to figure out ;)
[17:18] <ochosi> how do you like the new scale style?
[17:19] <ochosi> (it's that widget you can see as progressbar of a video/audio in parole)
[17:19] <ochosi> i guess you have to play a file to really see how it works/looks
[17:22] <ochosi> charlie-tca: in case i forget about the dict-bug please remind me
[17:22] <ochosi> g2g now
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Oh, 
[17:22] <charlie-tca> I don't do well with that, but will check it out in a bit
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:22] <ochosi> k, see you
[18:15] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I can not get Natty to recognize the floppy drive. I don't know if there is a udev rule for it even.
[18:16] <mr_pouit> I only have laptops here, so no more floppy disk for me :p
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Well, I get the drive in lucid, but not maverick or natty
[18:16] <charlie-tca> I can't force a mount even, because it isn't in /dev
[18:17] <mr_pouit> yeah, then probably a kernel or udev issue
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Want to kill the bug reports on floppies then? 
[18:18] <mr_pouit> I don't think the original reporter still cares
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I will take care of it. 
[20:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: the xdg applications list moving to /usr/share doesn't change anything WRT its purpose, right?
[20:56] <mr_pouit> micahg: it shouldn't
[20:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I'll update the firefox apparmor profile then
[20:57] <mr_pouit> putting it to /etc was probably a mistake in the first time ;[
[20:58] <micahg> mr_pouit: because it's not meant to be changed?
[20:59] <mr_pouit> yeah, and all desktop files added would be marked as conffiles, so not really usable
[20:59] <micahg> ok, cool
[21:00] <mr_pouit> (there will be already enough rm_conffile stuff because of the 4.6 -> 4.8 transition)