[00:18] speaking of watching TV, i just noticed one of the fragrances in that air freshner as is "open windows" [00:19] what do open windows smell like? do they smell different to closed windows? [00:21] jars with food in smell different, so maybe ;) [00:22] depends where you live [00:22] if you live on a farm i bet they smell a lot different [00:24] and the direction of the wind [00:24] :) [00:25] I find East winds smell like pigs, and not the nice bacon sort :/ [00:40] brb, coffee [02:49] nn o/ [04:05] youtube has a beta homepage redesign [04:05] it looks like facebook [04:06] Ick. [04:07] I'm in the minority of people that don' t care for facebook though. [04:10] well i just filled in the feedback form slating it [04:13] what was your feedback, thumbs up or thumbs down to the new look [04:13] 2 out of 5 [04:13] where 1 = worse and 5 = better [04:13] hehe [04:14] and that's only because the old one was terrible in an entirely different way [04:14] in what way was that? [04:16] well, the only thing i care about is subscriptions... [04:16] but both the old front page and the subscription rss are horrible broken [04:17] when you watch a video it disappears from the homepage... usually [04:17] and then it starts showing old videos from years ago for no reason [04:17] and sometimes videos just skip the homepage entirely [04:17] the whole thing is incredibly buggy [04:18] the best way i have found to subscribe to my own subscriptions feed, and then watch the videos while logged out, so they don't get marked as watched [04:19] a lot of sites like youtube seem to be really buggy and have these little quirks that can be quite annoying. [04:19] the worst thing is this experimental thing doesn't actually fix any of the problems like this [04:20] it's still hopelessly messed up and videos have the wrong date or don't show up, or show as watched when i haven't watched them (or the reverse) [04:20] but now it also looks like a facebook wall with annoying comments randomly interspersed with videos [04:21] Yeah, I always wonder how they come up with these experimental things. It would have to be partially from user feedback, you'd think but if bugs like you're describing are not fixed maybe someone on their end is just doing whatever the heck they feel like to "refresh" the look of youtube [04:22] well it;s pretty obvious what happened here. someone noticed facebook is popular, and that all google's social network stuff so far has utterly failed, so now they are trying to turn youtube into facebook [04:22] it's not a refresh of the look, it;s a wholesale lifting of the facebook "wall" thing [04:22] i guess you can try it out here, if you don't see the message on the homepage: http://www.youtube.com/homepage_experiment [04:23] Ripping off the facebook wall is just unoriginal and boring [04:23] yes [04:23] and if i wanted it, i would go to facebook [04:24] i already turned on that thing that spams all my youtube actions on my facebook and twitter, just to fill my facebook and twitter with something, because i never use them, because they suck so much [04:25] I guess they are trying to market to the majority of people out there who like facebook, twitter, and other social networking utilities that employ that particular styel [04:25] they must have got confused by that, and think that because i *post* on facebook and twitter, that i have an interest in *reading* facebook and twitter. this would be incorrect assumption... [04:26] lol that might confuse your friends that use facebook, so they might write responses to stuff that gets spams to facebook or twitter [04:27] perhaps [04:27] Well the ones that aren't too bright anyway [04:27] facebook has one good feature which is you can configure it to email you when certain things happen, and it is quite specific [04:28] so i get notifications if someone invites me to some event, but not if they post "LOL" on one of my favourited youtube video reposts [04:28] that is one thing that is good about facebook [04:28] as for twitter, i don't have a single friend that uses it [04:29] I don't use twitter, personally I think its kind of stupid. Facebook just feels like a huge invasion of privacy. [04:30] Invites on facebook would be convenient though. [04:33] 90% of the people i have as "friends" on facebook are people i haven't spoken to since i was at school [04:34] the main thing that turns me away from facebook, is that other people can upload what they like and 'tag' you in it. [04:35] far too many people don't seem to understand that the internet doesn't need to see me drunk [04:35] the thing that turned me away from facebook is that random people that i e-mailed would look up my e-mail address on facebook and want to add me as their friend, even if I didn't know them. [04:35] There were all snoopy and interested who I knew and things like that. [04:35] i get that on linked-in :) [04:36] it's less creepy on linkedin i guess [04:36] since that's what it's for [04:37] Yeah, potential employers seeing you drunk probably isn't a good thing. Even if you are an original and productive worker they could still think you are someone who doesnt' take your work seriously because you are tagged in some random person's holiday photo drunk. [04:37] and on gmail anyone who emails you and you reply seems to show up in your google talk list and you can see they are online... either that or they are stalking me too [04:39] Yahoo mail can seem that way too [04:40] But isn't being stalked fun (sarcasm)... [04:41] well, unless its someone you like [04:43] hmm, the instant-ticker function of twitter I like, facebook like other "open personal" blogs I also avoid [04:45] Jora: that could be seen the other way around too.. [04:45] What could be seen as the other way around? [04:45] Jora: never work for people who believe, but don't know [04:46] * DasEi thinks of a facebookaccount, well I do it locally better [04:46] Yeah, sometimes though a job is a job and you just have to take what is out there, and its better to maximize your chances of landing a job than not [04:46] y, I'm kidding [07:50] aloha [07:53] mornin [08:40] morning all [08:41] AlanBell: ello [08:47] it is looking nice and christmassy here [08:49] err czajkowski were you supposed to be leaving on a jet plane today? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:05] http://popey.com/webcam/ \o/ snow [09:07] Anyone up? [09:09] AlanBell: I am..... so far Aer Lingus haven't pulled any of their flights from Heathrow BA have pulled them all. Flight leaves at 8pm tonight so things may change . Leaving bath at 12 on a bus to allow for delays. All taxis are closed in Bath with the snow [09:10] nperry: I will throttle you if you wish for any more snow between now and 12 today [09:23] morning [09:24] czajkowski: the piccies on the news from Heathrow don't look too good :( [09:39] danfish: aye :( [09:42] czajkowski: :S good luck! [09:45] cheers [09:45] gonna be a long day of travels [09:51] hmm [09:51] i now have a jabber server I think [09:52] \o/ [09:53] no idea how to tell empathy to connect to it though [09:57] bah [09:57] where is MattJ when you need him! :) [09:58] hah [09:59] I can connect with empathy to prosody on my VPS, but I'm not sure what I need to get it to connect to other jabber servers [09:59] i can connect to it, but it rejects me signing up [09:59] i only added two lines to the end of the config file [09:59] VirtualHost "popey.com" [09:59] allow_registration = true [10:00] but when i connect it says it's not serving popey.com [10:00] popey: that should work - have you tried adding yourself manually? [10:00] no [10:00] trying to self-register in empathy [10:00] can see the connection in prosody log [10:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/545203/ [10:03] root@ubuntuserver:/var/log/prosody# prosodyctl adduser daddy@popey.com [10:03] The host 'popey.com' is not listed in the configuration file (or is not enabled). [10:03] hmmm [10:03] makes me think it's not reading my config file [10:04] or is it reading another config file? [10:05] prosody.cfg.lua is the one I edited [10:05] just added those two lines to the end [10:07] I faintly remember having the same problem but can't remember how I fixed it - I'll paste my config file in a moment if it would help [10:07] thanks [10:10] ooh - I think I remember now - is the config file in /etc/prosody/conf.avail/ ? [10:11] no, the global one in /etc/prosody [10:11] * popey copies the example one [10:14] http://pastebin.com/eSCqpGaC <- my very simple config file that's in /etc/prosody/conf.avail/ [10:15] but thats disabled? [10:15] (line 5) [10:15] ahh - in lua "--" comments out lines [10:16] ahh [10:16] nope [10:17] "this server does not serve popey.com" [10:17] when i sign up as "daddy@popey.com" [10:17] * AlanBell can't sign up with popey.com either [10:17] its on a box on my lan :) [10:18] oh - sorry, an extra step is to symlink the config file into /etc/prosody/conf.d/ [10:18] heh [10:20] thats looking better [10:20] prosodyctl adduser isnt moaning [10:21] yeah! That's just about exhausted my staggeringly small knowledge of jabber and prosody :) [10:21] but still can't self register [10:21] bah! [10:21] * popey resorts to manual [10:22] ok, manually created user, which worked, but connecting in still fails [10:22] bah! [10:22] * popey gives up on prosody for the moment [10:22] * popey sets a watch on mattj [10:36] Morning [10:37] popey: Have you created a thing allowing the domain? [10:39] popey: in /etc/prosody/conf.d/ I had to create a config file (gblabs.cfg.lua) containing VirtualHost "gblabs.co.uk" [10:39] In order to allow the domain in :) [10:40] ah [10:42] does natty kill kittens at the moment? [10:42] * AlanBell ponders a backup and upgrade [10:46] AlanBell: The unity dock and stuff doens't appear on my laptop at the moment. Just sits there waiting [10:57] Need to fight my way to the post office shortly [10:59] hmm, has only been snowing here for 1 hour and already 4" and it's suppose to continue until tonight [10:59] me thinks the weatherman's prediction of 10-12cm might have been a little on the low side :S [10:59] Heh [11:10] Happy snowday y'all [11:18] 2.3 hit aosp <3 [11:34] nperry: now for it to hit ota [11:41] MartijnVdS: Don't need the ota :P [11:43] morning - very #FFF where I am. [11:45] hoping it keeps up a few more days. never seem to get snow on my days off [11:49] * danfish thinks today may be a day for experimental cooking and drinking allowed after the 'yardarm' :D === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 [11:53] hmm experimental drinking :) [11:53] hey people [11:53] \o cbx [11:53] anyone here good with database design? [11:54] what do you want to do? [11:54] I'm working on a django project to almost "inventory" datacenter design [11:54] so it'll store information about all servers/switches/power and where everything is connected [11:54] so you can do things like dependency analysis [11:54] and what if failure checks [11:54] now [11:55] I have a table for "devices" [11:55] and a device can have multiple "ports" [11:55] a port can be, power, network, sas, fibre [11:55] you name it [11:55] now the issue is....associated with each port can be a number of parameters.... [11:55] which are not the same [11:56] ie, network port would have vlan, [11:56] but power port wouldn't need that [11:56] cbx33: have "sasport", "networkport" etc., all point to devices [11:56] in code make them subclass of "port" [11:56] or something [11:56] but then it limits the design [11:56] this is much easier in code than it is in db :) [11:56] what if a new type of connection comes [11:56] why? you can always add another table [11:57] I could, but that entails more coding [11:57] if i do it this way we can add different types of ports [11:57] in the database [11:57] in fact now I have a table called port types [11:57] yes but you really want that subclass structure [11:57] why so? [11:58] sata_port (is a port), gigabit_port (is a port) [11:58] I think [11:58] yers [11:58] so you could say "device.all_ports" to get all ports, but be flexible in the kind of port [11:58] but as i said I'm then limited....someone else using the system could add a new type of custom "port" [11:59] couldn't [11:59] cbx33: you'll need custom parameters/code for those new ports anyway [11:59] they may want to monitor "stack" cable configurations [11:59] well for some maybe [11:59] if I'm just storing parameters [11:59] there's no big deal really [11:59] have you tried asking in a database-specific channel? [12:00] nope [12:01] we do this at work (using everything we sell: email accounts, DSL, etc.) as subclasses [12:01] then when we sell something new: implement a little bit of code, done. [12:01] yeh [12:01] cbx33: have a look in #django - they're generally very helpful [12:01] danfish, yeh i was about to [12:01] not a lot of activity in there right now [12:04] cbx33: it tends to liven up there in the afternoon CET [12:04] even on weekends? [12:05] MartijnVdS: good point [12:07] heheh [12:07] yeh i'll wait till monday [12:07] or atleast until the yanks wake up [12:22] Anybody want some snow? The amount I ordered was more than required [12:23] TheOpenSourcerer: wotcha [12:24] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11944966 [12:24] bigcalm: I can put you in touch with some Eskimos who might be interested :P [12:24] When I was at IBM, I started a product called Websphere [...] It was too complex for people to master. I overdesigned it. [12:30] Only reason why I came to work in the snow today http://twitpic.com/3h2lxl [12:31] Free wood? [12:33] (that's what she said) [12:39] Hipen:) [12:39] +space [12:40] hi bigcalm [12:41] afternoonings all. [12:41] Morning [12:42] hi bigcalm [13:01] https://twitter.com/#!/HeathrowAirport/status/16112586856603648 [13:01] poor czajkowski [13:02] :( [13:03] oh no :( [13:05] especially as I assume she's already on the bus to Heathrow :-/ [13:05] iirc, she was leaving at midday [13:06] nperry: she tweeted about being on the bus [13:06] I missed the bus tweet :/ [13:06] Right, that's it, I'm taking today off everything and spending the day in bed. [13:07] Wish I did that, would like to go home now and sit infront of the fire [13:08] I've been running around sorting things for weeks now, what with moving house and starting a new job and all, today is the first day I can actually take off doing stuff. [13:08] I think I'll try to understand oauth, it's not essential, but gives me a tangible goal. [13:14] People don't understand #uksnow [13:15] i'm flying tuesday ... kinda nervous :/ [13:15] Its to report what is currently falling, not already falen. [13:28] Hmmm.... poor mac mini swaps it's little head of while playing minecraft.... might be time to buy some ram for it [13:39] think I might head out to do some panic buying [13:40] <_H> anyone know where I can [from the uk] get a pump for a haier washing machine model number HWD1000 [13:43] What version of ubunu does that washing machine run ? [13:44] AlanBell: you're mad [13:45] _H: sudo apt-get install pump --xtra-option:model=HWD1000 [13:53] alanbell cheers for updatws [13:53] airport is closed [13:54] czajkowski: where are you? [13:54] on a,bus [13:54] we keep seeing the signs on road airport closed [13:55] czajkowski: so where is the bus taking you if the airport is closed? [13:55] were not sure [13:55] oh dear [13:55] to the airpot just not sure we can get through [13:58] czajkowski: sounds exciting in a non-fun way [14:01] * Pendulum hugs czajkowski [14:04] flight canceled [14:05] :( [14:07] :( [14:10] <_H> :))) [14:10] <_H> YAY [14:10] <_H> :) [14:10] afternoon [14:10] <_H> czajkowski: look at it on the bright side [14:11] <_H> czajkowski: you are safe [14:11] _H: huh? [14:11] <_H> (02:04:59 PM) czajkowski: flight canceled [14:11] ? [14:12] _H: she's in a bus on the way to the airport for a flight that is now canceled [14:12] not sure what part of that is safe [14:12] <_H> oh [14:12] <_H> well find something to smile about [14:12] theres the penny [14:12] _H: also, it's really not nice to be happy about someone's flight being canceled. [14:13] <_H> I don't mean to be horrid [14:13] <_H> sorry [14:13] <_H> I am trying to get you thinking positively [14:13] <_H> hugs [14:14] czajkowski: at least if you get stuck at the airport, you'll have plenty of time to harrass air lingus into getting you on the first flight when they start flying again? [14:15] <_H> my washer broke [14:15] <_H> :( [14:15] <_H> but I will get it fixed :) [14:18] Someone needs to amend the channel topic methinks... or have I travelled back in time again?? [14:18] * suprengr hums theme tune to Dr. Who [14:18] czajkowski: according to bbc news, heathrow will be up and going again @ 16:00, to give them time to clear snow, [14:22] :( apparently all shorthaul flights from heathrow are now cancelled for restof the day. [14:23] ouch :( [14:23] <_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcbQyFtCqg is an approriate song but considering the snow and the compleate fail of canceled flights going home for summer may be more appropriate [14:23] ...and they're sparaying the planes green! [beeb news channel on freeview] [14:23] *spraying [14:24] suprengr: i am watching on bbc news,on sky. [14:24] ;) [14:24] hehe [14:25] popey is a good snowman builder :/ [14:25] the ever reliable, popeycam. [14:26] http://popey.com/webcam/ [14:26] any of the kent crew on at the mo? can't get thru to daughter to see if it's ok for her there to get to work tonight... is it that sunny she's out sunbathing? [14:27] <_H> czajkowski: I called rudolf to get you home he's on his way [14:27] <_H> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wear-12022404 [14:27] * bigcalm waves at therealpopey [14:27] * _H waves at popey and thinks she is lucky [14:28] * MartijnVdS googles for his name + "site:wikipedia.org" (and wikimedia.org) [14:28] los of my CC-BY photos on Wikipedia \o/ [14:28] _H: popey is a man, [14:28] <_H> oh? [14:28] <_H> so.... I been reading that nick rong [14:28] brobostigon: THE man, some would say :) [14:29] <_H> I read it as poppy [14:29] MartijnVdS: hehe, yyeah :) [14:29] isn't that Daviey's hat on it's head :P [14:29] <_H> well the woman in the pic looks prettier than I [14:29] * suprengr sends _H some specs [14:30] afternoonings danfish [14:30] <_H> suprengr: no really she does [14:30] yo brobostigon :) [14:30] danfish: :) [14:30] _H: popey is a he [14:30] <_H> I know [14:31] <_H> there was a woman in popey's web cam [14:31] <_H> and that's who I meant [14:31] <_H> in/on [14:31] _H: popey's wife maybe ? [14:31] <_H> yeah [14:31] danfish: I assume you mean the hat on the snowman's head? [14:31] * _H is a woman with confidance issues [14:32] _H: welcome, :) [14:32] <_H> brobostigon: thanks [14:32] Pendulum: yup - sorry - get left behind. Plugged in the Slow Cooker which blew all the circuit breaker, so got net broke :( [14:32] s/get/got [14:33] * danfish notes danfish cannot construct a sentence today [14:33] ergh [14:34] the christmas week is forth coming [14:34] jacobw: what's wrong with that? [14:35] lots of busy work to do [14:35] i'm glad i'm working through it, i couldn't stand being at home all the time [14:35] * jacobw is a scrooge [14:36] czajkowski: oh noes! [14:36] AlanBell: how was the panic shopping? [14:36] got soup and mince and sausagemeat [14:37] * _H feels sad [14:37] wassup _H? [14:37] * _H will be spending christmas here.... alone [14:37] AlanBell: was all that was left? [14:37] danfish: nope, that was what I went for [14:37] in case it affects anybody... M5 northbound... don't bother! 20 mile queue at/beforer Worcester/Birmingham boundary [14:37] butchers report they are having a good day [14:38] _H: you're not alone, we're you friends inside your computer [14:38] <_H> no friends [they are going to sweden] or family [they don't invite me to stuff -not even funerals] [14:38] AlanBell: excellent [14:38] <_H> jacobw: and the voices [14:38] * _H chuckles [14:38] _H: come along to the party on tuesday [14:38] _H: you could attend the Ubuntu christmas party :) [14:38] if the trains are not broken [14:39] if the trains break, #blamebobcrow [14:40] <_H> alan? [14:40] <_H> AlanBell: ?? where is it? [14:40] _H: http://ubunt.eu/c2 [14:41] * _H gets paid the 23rd and can't get to london [14:41] <_H> thanks though [14:41] <_H> I shall join via irc [14:43] of the trains break #blame-philiphammond-mp [14:43] if the* [14:48] trains running OK here in Saarrf London today [14:49] Saarrf? [14:49] slang, [14:49] south* [14:49] ah :) [14:49] Phonetics :) [14:50] danfish: like nawrff ??? [14:50] suprengr: "oop nawrff"? [14:50] [norrrfff] [14:52] ...& hi all [14:52] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OopNorth ;) [14:54] MartijnVdS: reads like a TopGear script - but good [14:54] suprengr: Try reading it in Jeremy Clarkson's voice :) [14:54] :D [14:55] suprengr: yup :) [14:55] ...."....in................................................ the world" perhaps [14:56] [you must get the pause right for it to work] [15:00] hello all [15:00] afternoonings marsilainen [15:01] is there a way to connect to an apache server (on port 80 as a regular user, from telnet etc) and check what modules are enabled? [15:01] marsilainen: only if mod_status is enabled and configured [15:01] I see [15:01] a previous hosting provider I was using (for VPS) disabled my account because they said I was running a proxy server [15:01] sometimes modules add themselves to the Server: response header [15:01] I was wondering how they could tell [15:02] so "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" shuold be enough [15:02] I was only using proxy to proxy to an app running on another port [15:02] but they seemed to take offence to this [15:03] marsilainen: how open was the proxy? [15:03] well, I didn't think it was open at all [15:03] you could use ssh -D -- it's a socks proxy (works with your browser if you set it) [15:03] as far as I was aware it was only available to people who logged in, through an SSL interface [15:04] but perhaps it was more open than I'd intended it [15:04] blackadder2 on tonight, :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as LewisCawte [15:05] * MartijnVdS wonders when his upstairs neighbor will be done with his remodeling job [15:05] he's been at it for almost a year now [15:08] remodeling? [15:09] does the apache vhost config in this tutorial seem secure re: proxy in this tutorial: http://mewbies.com/how_to_install_ajaxterm_tutorial.htm ? [15:30] * popey returns to the warm [15:30] wb popey [15:32] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/1327244/Bank-of-America-Cuts-Off-Wikileaks ...so, it starts.... [15:32] [yeh ot i know, but sometimes.....] [15:37] :) MartijnVdS [15:42] * ging wishes it was warm [15:45] <_H> ging temp in c? [15:47] * MartijnVdS watches some radio ;) [15:47] dont have a termometer [15:47] thermometer* [15:48] doubt it is about 17 even with all the heaters to max [15:48] ging: isolation time :) [15:48] <_H> ging ubuntu has a temp thing in the top right [15:48] http://popey.me/fuZz8p <- video of us making our snowman :) [15:48] _H: yeah but that's outside temperature at the nearest weather station :) [15:49] <_H> that's what I mean [15:49] * _H has a weather station that feeds her ubuntu machine that is less than 500 meteres away from, her [15:51] _H: the weather station temp doesnt account for the fact they still havent properly fixed my heating [15:51] <_H> ok [15:51] <_H> jump [15:51] <_H> and put a jumper on [15:52] haha [15:52] my heating is crap, old victorian house leaks heat like crazy too [15:52] I just wrap up in a duvet if it gets cold [15:52] Azelphur: http://www.mysnuggiestore.com/ [15:52] i have, but it's annoying having to constantly wear a jumper round the house and freeze every time i get out of bed or the shower [15:52] ging: ^ [15:52] ging: givethe relavent person a prod with a long stick, with a pointy end. [15:53] MartijnVdS: do not want wtf blanket D: [15:53] Azelphur: blanket with arm holes.. oversized poncho really :) [15:53] MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y wtf blanket :p [15:53] it's aparently imposible to be unhappy in a poncho [15:53] <_H> Azelphur: http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=22121&t=4 second down [15:54] <_H> insulate your loft or you may get raided by police lmao [15:54] _H haha [15:55] _H: at least you'll have a warm cell until they figure out you don't have any plants ;) [15:55] Azelphur: have you tried putting plastic on the windows? [15:56] maco: nah [15:56] would leak less heat [15:56] http://www.bitrebels.com/geek/introducing-the-snuggie-for-geeks/ [15:56] the windows are actually the only slightly good part of the house [15:56] think more along the lines of multiple holes through the walls [15:57] I can totally see maco making one of those designs [15:57] Azelphur: double glazed windows? [15:57] yea [15:57] and a radiator system with so much air in it that the safety on the boiler kicks in on a daily basis [15:57] query jpds [15:57] bah! [15:57] popey: needs more / :p [15:58] Azelphur: don't tell the police you /ed popey 8-) [15:58] <_H> MartijnVdS: you haven't been arrested have you? [15:58] haha [15:58] _H: Not in the UK ;) [15:58] what interesting conversation have I walked in on? [15:59] AlanBell: i like the hands/kbd idea..mine always get cold typing [15:59] you'll have to be able to type without looking at your fingers though [16:00] uh....so? [16:00] well some people can't [16:00] isnt that something you're supposed to learn in school when you're 10-ish [16:01] SM2 today : http://fishms.homelinux.com/ [16:01] (with thanks to popey for the webcamrc settings) [16:02] snow! [16:02] about 3 inches here atm.. [16:03] o/ [16:04] might go to the pub, see if i can get snowed in.. [16:59] popey: nice video [16:59]