[00:18] <ali1234> speaking of watching TV, i just noticed one of the fragrances in that air freshner as is "open windows"
[00:19] <ali1234> what do open windows smell like? do they smell different to closed windows?
[00:21] <hamitron> jars with food in smell different, so maybe ;)
[00:22] <gord> depends where you live
[00:22] <gord> if you live on a farm i bet they smell a lot different
[00:24] <hamitron> and the direction of the wind
[00:24] <hamitron> :)
[00:25] <hamitron> I find East winds smell like pigs, and not the nice bacon sort :/
[00:40] <hamitron> brb, coffee
[02:49] <hamitron> nn o/
[04:05] <ali1234> youtube has a beta homepage redesign
it looks like facebook</spoiler>
[04:06] <Jora> Ick.
[04:07] <Jora> I'm in the minority of people that don' t care for facebook though.
[04:10] <ali1234> well i just filled in the feedback form slating it
[04:13] <Jora> what was your feedback, thumbs up or thumbs down to the new look
[04:13] <ali1234> 2 out of 5
[04:13] <ali1234> where 1 = worse and 5 = better
[04:13] <Jora> hehe
[04:14] <ali1234> and that's only because the old one was terrible in an entirely different way
[04:14] <Jora> in what way was that?
[04:16] <ali1234> well, the only thing i care about is subscriptions...
[04:16] <ali1234> but both the old front page and the subscription rss are horrible broken
[04:17] <ali1234> when you watch a video it disappears from the homepage... usually
[04:17] <ali1234> and then it starts showing old videos from years ago for no reason
[04:17] <ali1234> and sometimes videos just skip the homepage entirely
[04:17] <ali1234> the whole thing is incredibly buggy
[04:18] <ali1234> the best way i have found to subscribe to my own subscriptions feed, and then watch the videos while logged out, so they don't get marked as watched
[04:19] <Jora> a lot of sites like youtube seem to be really buggy and have these little quirks that can be quite annoying.
[04:19] <ali1234> the worst thing is this experimental thing doesn't actually fix any of the problems like this
[04:20] <ali1234> it's still hopelessly messed up and videos have the wrong date or don't show up, or show as watched when i haven't watched them (or the reverse)
[04:20] <ali1234> but now it also looks like a facebook wall with annoying comments randomly interspersed with videos
[04:21] <Jora> Yeah, I always wonder how they come up with these experimental things. It would have to be partially from user feedback, you'd think but if bugs like you're describing are not fixed maybe someone on their end is just doing whatever the heck they feel like to "refresh" the look of youtube
[04:22] <ali1234> well it;s pretty obvious what happened here. someone noticed facebook is popular, and that all google's social network stuff so far has utterly failed, so now they are trying to turn youtube into facebook
[04:22] <ali1234> it's not a refresh of the look, it;s a wholesale lifting of the facebook "wall" thing
[04:22] <ali1234> i guess you can try it out here, if you don't see the message on the homepage: http://www.youtube.com/homepage_experiment
[04:23] <Jora> Ripping off the facebook wall is just unoriginal and boring
[04:23] <ali1234> yes
[04:23] <ali1234> and if i wanted it, i would go to facebook
[04:24] <ali1234> i already turned on that thing that spams all my youtube actions on my facebook and twitter, just to fill my facebook and twitter with something, because i never use them, because they suck so much
[04:25] <Jora> I guess they are trying to market to the majority of people out there who like facebook, twitter, and other social networking utilities that employ that particular styel
[04:25] <ali1234> they must have got confused by that, and think that because i *post* on facebook and twitter, that i have an interest in *reading* facebook and twitter. this would be incorrect assumption...
[04:26] <Jora> lol that might confuse your friends that use facebook, so they might write responses to stuff that gets spams to facebook or twitter
[04:27] <ali1234> perhaps
[04:27] <Jora> Well the ones that aren't too bright anyway
[04:27] <ali1234> facebook has one good feature which is you can configure it to email you when certain things happen, and it is quite specific
[04:28] <ali1234> so i get notifications if someone invites me to some event, but not if they post "LOL" on one of my favourited youtube video reposts
[04:28] <ali1234> that is one thing that is good about facebook
[04:28] <ali1234> as for twitter, i don't have a single friend that uses it
[04:29] <Jora> I don't use twitter, personally I think its kind of stupid. Facebook just feels like a huge invasion of privacy.
[04:30] <Jora> Invites on facebook would be convenient though.
[04:33] <ali1234> 90% of the people i have as "friends" on facebook are people i haven't spoken to since i was at school
[04:34] <shauno> the main thing that turns me away from facebook, is that other people can upload what they like and 'tag' you in it.
[04:35] <shauno> far too many people don't seem to understand that the internet doesn't need to see me drunk
[04:35] <Jora> the thing that turned me away from facebook is that random people that i e-mailed would look up my e-mail address on facebook and want to add me as their friend, even if I didn't know them.
[04:35] <Jora> There were all snoopy and interested who I knew and things like that.
[04:35] <ali1234> i get that on linked-in :)
[04:36] <ali1234> it's less creepy on linkedin i guess
[04:36] <ali1234> since that's what it's for
[04:37] <Jora> Yeah, potential employers seeing you drunk probably isn't a good thing. Even if you are an original and productive worker they could still think you are someone who doesnt' take your work seriously because you are tagged in some random person's holiday photo drunk.
[04:37] <ali1234> and on gmail anyone who emails you and you reply seems to show up in your google talk list and you can see they are online... either that or they are stalking me too
[04:39] <Jora> Yahoo mail can seem that way too
[04:40] <Jora> But isn't being stalked fun (sarcasm)...
[04:41] <Jora> well, unless its someone you like
[04:43] <DasEi> hmm, the instant-ticker function of twitter I like, facebook like other "open personal" blogs I also avoid
[04:45] <DasEi> Jora: that could be seen the other way around too..
[04:45] <Jora> What could be seen as the other way around?
[04:45] <DasEi> Jora: never work for people who believe, but don't know
[04:46]  * DasEi thinks of a facebookaccount, well I do it locally better
[04:46] <Jora> Yeah, sometimes though a job is a job and you just have to take what is out there, and its better to maximize your chances of landing a job than not
[04:46] <DasEi> y, I'm kidding
[07:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:53] <shauno> mornin
[08:40] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ello
[08:47] <AlanBell> it is looking nice and christmassy here
[08:49] <AlanBell> err czajkowski were you supposed to be leaving on a jet plane today?
[09:05] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ \o/ snow
[09:07] <sam_010203> Anyone up?
[09:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I am..... so far Aer Lingus haven't pulled any of their flights from Heathrow BA have pulled them all. Flight leaves at 8pm tonight so things may change . Leaving bath at 12 on a bus to allow for delays. All taxis are closed in Bath with the snow
[09:10] <czajkowski> nperry: I will throttle you if you wish for any more snow between now and 12 today
[09:23] <danfish> morning
[09:24] <danfish> czajkowski: the piccies on the news from Heathrow don't look too good :(
[09:39] <czajkowski> danfish: aye :(
[09:42] <popey> czajkowski: :S good luck!
[09:45] <czajkowski> cheers
[09:45] <czajkowski> gonna be a long day of travels
[09:51] <popey> hmm
[09:51] <popey> i now have a jabber server I think
[09:52] <danfish> \o/
[09:53] <popey> no idea how to tell empathy to connect to it though
[09:57] <popey> bah
[09:57] <popey> where is MattJ when you need him! :)
[09:58] <danfish> hah
[09:59] <danfish> I can connect with empathy to prosody on my VPS, but I'm not sure what I need to get it to connect to other jabber servers
[09:59] <popey> i can connect to it, but it rejects me signing up
[09:59] <popey> i only added two lines to the end of the config file
[09:59] <popey> VirtualHost "popey.com"
[09:59] <popey> allow_registration = true
[10:00] <popey> but when i connect it says it's not serving popey.com
[10:00] <danfish> popey: that should work - have you tried adding yourself manually?
[10:00] <popey> no
[10:00] <popey> trying to self-register in empathy
[10:00] <popey> can see the connection in prosody log
[10:01] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/545203/
[10:03] <popey> root@ubuntuserver:/var/log/prosody# prosodyctl adduser daddy@popey.com
[10:03] <popey> The host 'popey.com' is not listed in the configuration file (or is not enabled).
[10:03] <popey> hmmm
[10:03] <popey> makes me think it's not reading my config file
[10:04] <danfish> or is it reading another config file?
[10:05] <popey> prosody.cfg.lua is the one I edited
[10:05] <popey> just added those two lines to the end
[10:07] <danfish> I faintly remember having the same problem but can't remember how I fixed it - I'll paste my config file in a moment if it would help
[10:07] <popey> thanks
[10:10] <danfish> ooh - I think I remember now - is the config file in /etc/prosody/conf.avail/ ?
[10:11] <popey> no, the global one in /etc/prosody
[10:11]  * popey copies the example one
[10:14] <danfish> http://pastebin.com/eSCqpGaC  <- my very simple config file that's in /etc/prosody/conf.avail/
[10:15] <popey> but thats disabled?
[10:15] <popey> (line 5)
[10:15] <danfish> ahh - in lua "--" comments out lines
[10:16] <popey> ahh
[10:16] <popey> nope
[10:17] <popey> "this server does not serve popey.com"
[10:17] <popey> when i sign up as "daddy@popey.com"
[10:17]  * AlanBell can't sign up with popey.com either
[10:17] <popey> its on a box on my lan :)
[10:18] <danfish> oh - sorry, an extra step is to symlink the config file into /etc/prosody/conf.d/
[10:18] <popey> heh
[10:20] <popey> thats looking better
[10:20] <popey> prosodyctl adduser isnt moaning
[10:21] <danfish> yeah! That's just about exhausted my staggeringly small knowledge of jabber and prosody :)
[10:21] <popey> but still can't self register
[10:21] <popey> bah!
[10:21]  * popey resorts to manual
[10:22] <popey> ok, manually created user, which worked, but connecting in still fails
[10:22] <popey> bah!
[10:22]  * popey gives up on prosody for the moment
[10:22]  * popey sets a watch on mattj
[10:36] <daubers> Morning
[10:37] <daubers> popey: Have you created a thing allowing the domain?
[10:39] <daubers> popey: in /etc/prosody/conf.d/ I had to create a config file (gblabs.cfg.lua) containing VirtualHost "gblabs.co.uk"
[10:39] <daubers> In order to allow the domain in :)
[10:40] <popey> ah
[10:42] <AlanBell> does natty kill kittens at the moment?
[10:42]  * AlanBell ponders a backup and upgrade
[10:46] <daubers> AlanBell: The unity dock and stuff doens't appear on my laptop at the moment. Just sits there waiting
[10:57] <daubers> Need to fight my way to the post office shortly
[10:59] <danfish> hmm, has only been snowing here for 1 hour and already 4" and it's suppose to continue until tonight
[10:59] <danfish> me thinks the weatherman's prediction of 10-12cm might have been a little on the low side :S
[10:59] <daubers> Heh
[11:10] <nperry> Happy snowday y'all
[11:18] <nperry> 2.3 hit aosp <3
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> nperry: now for it to hit ota
[11:41] <nperry> MartijnVdS: Don't need the ota :P
[11:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning - very #FFF where I am.
[11:45] <shauno> hoping it keeps up a few more days.  never seem to get snow on my days off
[11:49]  * danfish thinks today may be a day for experimental cooking and drinking allowed after the 'yardarm' :D
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> hmm experimental drinking :)
[11:53] <cbx33> hey people
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> \o cbx
[11:53] <cbx33> anyone here good with database design?
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> what do you want to do?
[11:54] <cbx33> I'm working on a django project to almost "inventory" datacenter design
[11:54] <cbx33> so it'll store information about all servers/switches/power and where everything is connected
[11:54] <cbx33> so you can do things like dependency analysis
[11:54] <cbx33> and what if failure checks
[11:54] <cbx33> now
[11:55] <cbx33> I have a table for "devices"
[11:55] <cbx33> and a device can have multiple "ports"
[11:55] <cbx33> a port can be, power, network, sas, fibre
[11:55] <cbx33> you name it
[11:55] <cbx33> now the issue is....associated with each port can be a number of parameters....
[11:55] <cbx33> which are not the same
[11:56] <cbx33> ie, network port would have vlan,
[11:56] <cbx33> but power port wouldn't need that
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: have "sasport", "networkport" etc., all point to devices
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> in code make them subclass of "port"
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> or something
[11:56] <cbx33> but then it limits the design
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> this is much easier in code than it is in db :)
[11:56] <cbx33> what if a new type of connection comes
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> why? you can always add another table
[11:57] <cbx33> I could, but that entails more coding
[11:57] <cbx33> if i do it this way we can add different types of ports
[11:57] <cbx33> in the database
[11:57] <cbx33> in fact now I have a table called port types
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> yes but you really want that subclass structure
[11:57] <cbx33> why so?
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> sata_port (is a port), gigabit_port (is a port)
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> I think
[11:58] <cbx33> yers
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> so you could say "device.all_ports" to get all ports, but be flexible in the kind of port
[11:58] <cbx33> but as i said I'm then limited....someone else using the system could add a new type of custom "port"
[11:59] <cbx33> couldn't
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: you'll need custom parameters/code for those new ports anyway
[11:59] <cbx33> they may want to monitor "stack" cable configurations
[11:59] <cbx33> well for some maybe
[11:59] <cbx33> if I'm just storing parameters
[11:59] <cbx33> there's no big deal really
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> have you tried asking in a database-specific channel?
[12:00] <cbx33> nope
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> we do this at work (using everything we sell: email accounts, DSL, etc.) as subclasses
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> then when we sell something new: implement a little bit of code, done.
[12:01] <cbx33> yeh
[12:01] <danfish> cbx33: have a look in #django - they're generally very helpful
[12:01] <cbx33> danfish, yeh i was about to
[12:01] <cbx33> not a lot of activity in there right now
[12:04] <danfish> cbx33: it tends to liven up there in the afternoon CET
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> even on weekends?
[12:05] <danfish> MartijnVdS: good point
[12:07] <cbx33> heheh
[12:07] <cbx33> yeh i'll wait till monday
[12:07] <shauno> or atleast until the yanks wake up
[12:22] <bigcalm> Anybody want some snow? The amount I ordered was more than required
[12:23] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: wotcha
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11944966
[12:24] <danfish> bigcalm: I can put you in touch with some Eskimos who might be interested :P
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> When I was at IBM, I started a product called Websphere [...] It was too complex for people to master. I overdesigned it.
[12:30] <nperry> Only reason why I came to work in the snow today http://twitpic.com/3h2lxl
[12:31] <bigcalm> Free wood?
[12:33] <bigcalm> (that's what she said)
[12:39] <bigcalm> Hipen:)
[12:39] <bigcalm> +space
[12:40] <Pendulum> hi bigcalm
[12:41] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:41] <bigcalm> Morning
[12:42] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[13:01] <popey> https://twitter.com/#!/HeathrowAirport/status/16112586856603648
[13:01] <popey> poor czajkowski
[13:02] <bigcalm> :(
[13:03] <Pendulum> oh no :(
[13:05] <Pendulum> especially as I assume she's already on the bus to Heathrow :-/
[13:05] <nperry> iirc, she was leaving at midday
[13:06] <Pendulum> nperry: she tweeted about being on the bus
[13:06] <nperry> I missed the bus tweet :/
[13:06] <dwatkins> Right, that's it, I'm taking today off everything and spending the day in bed.
[13:07] <nperry> Wish I did that, would like to go home now and sit infront of the fire
[13:08] <dwatkins> I've been running around sorting things for weeks now, what with moving house and starting a new job and all, today is the first day I can actually take off doing stuff.
[13:08] <dwatkins> I think I'll try to understand oauth, it's not essential, but gives me a tangible goal.
[13:14] <nperry> People don't understand #uksnow
[13:15] <mattt> i'm flying tuesday ... kinda nervous :/
[13:15] <nperry> Its to report what is currently falling, not already falen.
[13:28] <daubers> Hmmm.... poor mac mini swaps it's little head of while playing minecraft.... might be time to buy some ram for it
[13:39] <AlanBell> think I might head out to do some panic buying
[13:40] <_H> anyone know where I can [from the uk] get a pump for a haier washing machine model number HWD1000
[13:43] <mrxtian> What version of ubunu does that washing machine run ?
[13:44] <mattt> AlanBell: you're mad
[13:45] <mrxtian> _H: sudo apt-get install pump --xtra-option:model=HWD1000
[13:53] <czajkowski> alanbell cheers for updatws
[13:53] <czajkowski> airport is closed
[13:54] <Pendulum> czajkowski: where are you?
[13:54] <czajkowski> on a,bus
[13:54] <czajkowski> we keep seeing the signs on road airport closed
[13:55] <Pendulum> czajkowski: so where is the bus taking you if the airport is closed?
[13:55] <czajkowski> were not sure
[13:55] <Pendulum> oh dear
[13:55] <czajkowski> to the airpot just not sure we can get through
[13:58] <Pendulum> czajkowski: sounds exciting in a non-fun way
[14:01]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[14:04] <czajkowski> flight canceled
[14:05] <brobostigon> :(
[14:07] <Pendulum> :(
[14:10] <_H> :)))
[14:10] <_H> YAY
[14:10] <_H> :)
[14:10] <jacobw> afternoon
[14:10] <_H> czajkowski: look at it on the bright side
[14:11] <_H> czajkowski: you are safe
[14:11] <Pendulum> _H: huh?
[14:11] <_H> (02:04:59 PM) czajkowski: flight canceled
[14:11] <czajkowski> ?
[14:12] <Pendulum> _H: she's in a bus on the way to the airport for a flight that is now canceled
[14:12] <Pendulum> not sure what part of that is safe
[14:12] <_H> oh
[14:12] <_H> well find something to smile about
[14:12] <czajkowski> theres the penny
[14:12] <Pendulum> _H: also, it's really not nice to be happy about someone's flight being canceled.
[14:13] <_H> I don't mean to be horrid
[14:13] <_H> sorry
[14:13] <_H> I am trying to get you thinking positively
[14:13] <_H> hugs
[14:14] <Pendulum> czajkowski: at least if you get stuck at the airport, you'll have plenty of time to harrass air lingus into getting you on the first flight when they start flying again?
[14:15] <_H> my washer broke
[14:15] <_H> :(
[14:15] <_H> but I will get it fixed :)
[14:18] <suprengr> Someone needs to amend the channel topic methinks... or have I travelled back in time again??
[14:18]  * suprengr hums theme tune to Dr. Who
[14:18] <brobostigon> czajkowski: according to bbc news, heathrow will be up and going again @ 16:00, to give them time to clear snow,
[14:22] <brobostigon> :( apparently all shorthaul flights from heathrow are now cancelled for restof the day.
[14:23] <nperry> ouch :(
[14:23] <_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcbQyFtCqg is an approriate song but considering the snow and the compleate fail of canceled flights going home for summer may be more appropriate
[14:23] <suprengr> ...and they're sparaying the planes green! [beeb news channel on freeview]
[14:23] <suprengr> *spraying
[14:24] <brobostigon> suprengr: i am watching on bbc news,on sky.
[14:24] <suprengr> ;)
[14:24] <jacobw> hehe
[14:25] <nperry> popey is a good snowman builder :/
[14:25] <brobostigon> the ever reliable, popeycam.
[14:26] <brobostigon> http://popey.com/webcam/
[14:26] <suprengr> any of the kent crew on at the mo? can't get thru to daughter to see if it's ok for her there to get to work tonight... is it that sunny she's out sunbathing?
[14:27] <_H> czajkowski: I called rudolf to get you home he's on his way
[14:27] <_H> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wear-12022404
[14:27]  * bigcalm waves at therealpopey
[14:27]  * _H waves at popey and thinks she is lucky
[14:28]  * MartijnVdS googles for his name + "site:wikipedia.org" (and wikimedia.org)
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> los of my CC-BY photos on Wikipedia \o/
[14:28] <brobostigon> _H: popey is a man,
[14:28] <_H> oh?
[14:28] <_H> so.... I been reading that nick rong
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: THE man, some would say :)
[14:29] <_H> I read it as poppy
[14:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hehe, yyeah :)
[14:29] <danfish> isn't that Daviey's hat on it's head :P
[14:29] <_H> well the woman in the pic looks prettier than I
[14:29]  * suprengr sends _H some specs
[14:30] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish
[14:30] <_H> suprengr: no really she does
[14:30] <danfish> yo brobostigon :)
[14:30] <brobostigon> danfish: :)
[14:30] <Pendulum> _H: popey is a he
[14:30] <_H> I know
[14:31] <_H> there was a woman in popey's web cam
[14:31] <_H> and that's who I meant
[14:31] <_H> in/on
[14:31] <brobostigon> _H: popey's wife maybe ?
[14:31] <_H> yeah
[14:31] <Pendulum> danfish: I assume you mean the hat on the snowman's head?
[14:31]  * _H is a woman with confidance issues
[14:32] <brobostigon> _H: welcome, :)
[14:32] <_H> brobostigon: thanks
[14:32] <danfish> Pendulum: yup - sorry - get left behind. Plugged in the Slow Cooker which blew all the circuit breaker, so got net broke :(
[14:32] <danfish> s/get/got
[14:33]  * danfish notes danfish cannot construct a sentence today
[14:33] <jacobw> ergh
[14:34] <jacobw> the christmas week is forth coming
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: what's wrong with that?
[14:35] <jacobw> lots of busy work to do
[14:35] <jacobw> i'm glad i'm working through it, i couldn't stand being at home all the time
[14:35]  * jacobw is a scrooge
[14:36] <AlanBell> czajkowski: oh noes!
[14:36] <Pendulum> AlanBell: how was the panic shopping?
[14:36] <AlanBell> got soup and mince and sausagemeat
[14:37]  * _H feels sad
[14:37] <AlanBell> wassup _H?
[14:37]  * _H will be spending christmas here.... alone
[14:37] <danfish> AlanBell: was all that was left?
[14:37] <AlanBell> danfish: nope, that was what I went for
[14:37] <suprengr> in case it affects anybody... M5 northbound... don't bother!  20 mile queue at/beforer Worcester/Birmingham boundary
[14:37] <AlanBell> butchers report they are having a good day
[14:38] <jacobw> _H: you're not alone, we're you friends inside your computer
[14:38] <_H> no friends [they are going to sweden] or family [they don't invite me to stuff -not even funerals]
[14:38] <danfish> AlanBell: excellent
[14:38] <_H> jacobw: and the voices
[14:38]  * _H chuckles
[14:38] <AlanBell> _H: come along to the party on tuesday
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> _H: you could attend the Ubuntu christmas party :)
[14:38] <AlanBell> if the trains are not broken
[14:39] <danfish> if the trains break, #blamebobcrow
[14:40] <_H> alan?
[14:40] <_H> AlanBell: ?? where is it?
[14:40] <AlanBell> _H: http://ubunt.eu/c2
[14:41]  * _H gets paid the 23rd and can't get to london
[14:41] <_H> thanks though
[14:41] <_H> I shall join via irc
[14:43] <brobostigon> of the trains break #blame-philiphammond-mp
[14:43] <brobostigon> if the*
[14:48] <danfish> trains running OK here in Saarrf London today
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> Saarrf?
[14:49] <brobostigon> slang,
[14:49] <brobostigon> south*
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> ah :)
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> Phonetics :)
[14:50] <suprengr> danfish: like nawrff  ???
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: "oop nawrff"?
[14:50] <suprengr> [norrrfff]
[14:52] <suprengr> ...& hi all
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OopNorth ;)
[14:54] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: reads like a TopGear script - but good
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: Try reading it in Jeremy Clarkson's voice :)
[14:54] <suprengr> :D
[14:55] <danfish> suprengr: yup :)
[14:55] <suprengr> ...."....in................................................ the world"  perhaps
[14:56] <suprengr> [you must get the pause right for it to work]
[15:00] <marsilainen> hello all
[15:00] <brobostigon> afternoonings marsilainen
[15:01] <marsilainen> is there a way to connect to an apache server (on port 80 as a regular user, from telnet etc) and check what modules are enabled?
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: only if mod_status is enabled and configured
[15:01] <marsilainen> I see
[15:01] <marsilainen> a previous hosting provider I was using (for VPS) disabled my account because they said I was running a proxy server
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> sometimes modules add themselves to the Server: response header
[15:01] <marsilainen> I was wondering how they could tell
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> so "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" shuold be enough
[15:02] <marsilainen> I was only using proxy to proxy to an app running on another port
[15:02] <marsilainen> but they seemed to take offence to this
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: how open was the proxy?
[15:03] <marsilainen> well, I didn't think it was open at all
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> you could use ssh -D -- it's a socks proxy (works with your browser if you set it)
[15:03] <marsilainen> as far as I was aware it was only available to people who logged in, through an SSL interface
[15:04] <marsilainen> but perhaps it was more open than I'd intended it
[15:04] <brobostigon> blackadder2 on tonight, :)
[15:05]  * MartijnVdS wonders when his upstairs neighbor will be done with his remodeling job
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> he's been at it for almost a year now
[15:08] <nperry> remodeling?
[15:09] <marsilainen> does the apache vhost config in this tutorial seem secure re: proxy in this tutorial: http://mewbies.com/how_to_install_ajaxterm_tutorial.htm  ?
[15:30]  * popey returns to the warm
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> wb popey
[15:32] <suprengr> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/1327244/Bank-of-America-Cuts-Off-Wikileaks    ...so, it starts....
[15:32] <suprengr> [yeh ot i know, but sometimes.....]
[15:37] <popey> :) MartijnVdS
[15:42]  * ging wishes it was warm
[15:45] <_H> ging temp in c?
[15:47]  * MartijnVdS watches some radio ;)
[15:47] <ging> dont have a termometer
[15:47] <brobostigon> thermometer*
[15:48] <ging> doubt it is about 17 even with all the heaters to max
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> ging: isolation time :)
[15:48] <_H> ging ubuntu has a temp thing in the top right
[15:48] <popey> http://popey.me/fuZz8p  <- video of us making our snowman :)
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> _H: yeah but that's outside temperature at the nearest weather station :)
[15:49] <_H> that's what I mean
[15:49]  * _H has a weather station that feeds her ubuntu machine that is less than 500 meteres away from, her
[15:51] <ging> _H: the weather station temp doesnt account for the fact they still havent properly fixed my heating
[15:51] <_H> ok
[15:51] <_H> jump
[15:51] <_H> and put a jumper on
[15:52] <Azelphur> haha
[15:52] <Azelphur> my heating is crap, old victorian house leaks heat like crazy too
[15:52] <Azelphur> I just wrap up in a duvet if it gets cold
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.mysnuggiestore.com/
[15:52] <ging> i have, but it's annoying having to constantly wear a jumper round the house and freeze every time i get out of bed or the shower
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> ging: ^
[15:52] <brobostigon> ging: givethe relavent person a prod with a long stick, with a pointy end.
[15:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: do not want wtf blanket D:
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: blanket with arm holes.. oversized poncho really :)
[15:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y wtf blanket :p
[15:53] <ging> it's aparently imposible to be unhappy in a poncho
[15:53] <_H> Azelphur: http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=22121&t=4 second down
[15:54] <_H> insulate your loft or you may get raided by police lmao
[15:54] <Azelphur> _H haha
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> _H: at least you'll have a warm cell until they figure out you don't have any plants ;)
[15:55] <maco> Azelphur: have you tried putting plastic on the windows?
[15:56] <Azelphur> maco: nah
[15:56] <maco> would leak less heat
[15:56] <AlanBell> http://www.bitrebels.com/geek/introducing-the-snuggie-for-geeks/
[15:56] <Azelphur> the windows are actually the only slightly good part of the house
[15:56] <Azelphur> think more along the lines of multiple holes through the walls
[15:57] <AlanBell> I can totally see maco making one of those designs
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: double glazed windows?
[15:57] <Azelphur> yea
[15:57] <Azelphur> and a radiator system with so much air in it that the safety on the boiler kicks in on a daily basis
[15:57] <popey> query jpds
[15:57] <popey> bah!
[15:57] <Azelphur> popey: needs more / :p
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: don't tell the police you /ed popey 8-)
[15:58] <_H> MartijnVdS: you haven't been arrested have you?
[15:58] <Azelphur> haha
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> _H: Not in the UK ;)
[15:58] <JamesMR> what interesting conversation have I walked in on?
[15:59] <maco> AlanBell: i like the hands/kbd idea..mine always get cold typing
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to be able to type without looking at your fingers though
[16:00] <maco> uh....so?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> well some people can't
[16:00] <maco> isnt that something you're supposed to learn in school when you're 10-ish
[16:01] <danfish> SM2 today : http://fishms.homelinux.com/
[16:01] <danfish> (with thanks to popey for the webcamrc settings)
[16:02] <popey> snow!
[16:02] <matrixoracle> about 3 inches here atm..
[16:03] <daubers> o/
[16:04] <matrixoracle> might go to the pub, see if i can get snowed in..
[16:59] <dutchie> popey: nice video
[16:59] <marsilainen> can anyone tell me if this seems secure enough (eg. doesn't create an open proxy etc): http://pastebin.com/LF1Fbt8Q
[17:00] <shauno> ooh, just seen the news.  cztab may not be too happy
[17:00] <marsilainen> all that is within an SSL vhost btw
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: if you run it only on localhost (listen 127.0.0.1) there's no problem with it being an open proxy
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: just use ssh -L (see manpage for details) to forward the "localhost" port on the remote machine to your local one
[17:08] <marsilainen> MartijnVdS: hmm, I'm not really sure what you mean
[17:08] <marsilainen> see, this is to provide remote access to ajaxterm
[17:08] <marsilainen> ajaxterm runs on localhost:8022 (only)
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: so do: ssh -L 8022:localhost:8022 host_where_Its_running
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: then use your browser to go to localhost:8022
[17:09] <marsilainen> ah
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> and no proxy required it should work
[17:09] <marsilainen> well that assumes that ssh is available on machine with browser
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> that's SSH port forwarding
[17:09] <marsilainen> this is not always the case
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: also works with putty's port forwarding :)
[17:09] <marsilainen> if I had ssh on the local machine, then I could just ssh to the remote one...
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: putty \o/
[17:09] <marsilainen> this is to provide web access when no ssh is availabe
[17:10] <marsilainen> putty not always available
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> sure it is
[17:10] <marsilainen> ?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[17:10] <marsilainen> ok, how about if you are behind a firewall which doesn't allow outbound connections except on port 80?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> fire the network admin because they're clueless
[17:11] <marsilainen> sigh
[17:11] <marsilainen> I'm afraid you're not understanding my requirement...
[17:11] <marsilainen> sometimes people are in places where ssh outbound access is not available
[17:11] <marsilainen> these people need to connect to this machine using web only
[17:11] <marsilainen> hence the usage of ajaxterm
[17:13] <ali1234> a ssh connection and a https connection are almost impossible to distinguish, since they are both ssl encrypted. hint: run sshd on port 80
[17:13] <ali1234> ssh has enough tricks to get you through any firewall that allows you any kind of connection
[17:13] <marsilainen> sigh
[17:14] <marsilainen> ok, so where should I run the normal webserver on that machine?
[17:14] <ali1234> run it on a different machine
[17:14] <marsilainen> or now I have to put in another box, specifically to run ssh on port 80?
[17:14] <marsilainen> or give it an extra ip
[17:14] <marsilainen> plus they may not have an ssh client
[17:15] <marsilainen> some of these people are using internet cafes in remote places
[17:15] <marsilainen> they may not have an ssh client on those machines
[17:15] <marsilainen> therefore ajaxterm is a good solution
[17:15] <marsilainen> I wasn't trying to get into an argument about whether ajaxterm was the right solution or not - we've decided to use it
[17:16] <ali1234> sure, ajaxterm is a good solution when people don't *have* an ssh client or any way to install one. but that's not what you asked for
[17:16] <ali1234> you asked for a way to get past a firewall that only allows connections on port 80
[17:16] <marsilainen> I was really just asking about whether my security measures for using it seem appropriate
[17:16] <marsilainen> yes, I was countering the argument of 'use putty'
[17:16] <marsilainen> but anyway, sorry if I was misleading
[17:20] <ali1234> yeah....... so you're running it over http instead of https... i certainly wouldn't do that
[17:22] <marsilainen> ali1234: that whole thing is inside an SSL vhost
[17:22] <marsilainen> so it's all over https 443
[17:22] <marsilainen> only the proxy on the local machine to the ajaxterm itself is over http
[17:22] <marsilainen> but that's all on the localhost so I assume that's fine
[17:23] <ali1234> as long as you trust everyone on the local machine
[17:23] <marsilainen> I do
[17:23] <popey> marsilainen: you on a site where only port 80 is in use, not 443?
[17:23] <ali1234> including the people who login with ajaxterm
[17:23] <popey> cant be if you're saying you're doing it over https
[17:23] <marsilainen> popey: both 80 and 443 are in use
[17:23] <Flashtek> o/
[17:23] <popey> 443 is in use for this or for other things?
[17:23] <marsilainen> popey: this and other things
[17:23] <popey> I run ssh on port 443, lets me get through any proxy I have tried
[17:23] <AlanBell> marsilainen: why not just move ajaxterm to 443 rather than proxying it there
[17:24] <popey> also, shellinabox is quite nice :)
[17:24] <popey> rather than ajaxterm
[17:24] <marsilainen> popey: some users don't have access to an SSH client so therefore ports are not the only issue here
[17:25] <ali1234> i don't understand the point of this thing
[17:25] <ali1234> i mean the proxy system
[17:25] <marsilainen> AlanBell: I've done that for two reasons: 1) I understand that it's the recommended way to run ajaxterm and 2) it's not the only thing that 443 is being used for
[17:25] <marsilainen> popey: I've not come accross shellinabox, will take a look
[17:25] <popey> works very nicely
[17:25] <popey> you can even run screen inside it
[17:25] <popey> which makes it even more useful
[17:25] <ali1234> is ajaxterm running as a completely different user running a different copy of the http daemon?
[17:25] <AlanBell> !info shellinabox
[17:26]  * Flashtek yawns
[17:26] <ali1234> cos that might actually make sense...
[17:26] <marsilainen> ali1234: correct
[17:26] <popey> thats messy, I'd use shellinabox then
[17:26] <popey> which you could just run in a vhost over ssl
[17:26] <popey> over your existing ssl
[17:26] <popey> no proxy rubbish needed
[17:27] <AlanBell> the proxy sounds like it could be replaced with an iptables port forward anyway
[17:27] <ali1234> huh?
[17:28] <marsilainen> AlanBell: it needs to forward only one path to the proxy - other paths need to remain intact
[17:28] <marsilainen> AlanBell: so that https://example.com/ajaxterm/  goes to the proxyed ajaxterm, but other paths like https://example.com/phpmyadmin/  still work
[17:29] <AlanBell> oh ok
[17:29] <ali1234> shellinabox starts it's own webserver.... therefore you still need the (exact same) proxy afaict
[17:29] <marsilainen> I could put it on a separate vhost - but that would require extra IP, extra SSL cert = extra expense
[17:31] <marsilainen> right - so I guess shellinabox doesn't solve anything then...
[17:31] <marsilainen> so, I guess back to my original question :)
[17:31] <marsilainen> does this look secure enough: http://pastebin.com/LF1Fbt8Q
[17:33] <popey> i disagree
[17:33] <popey> shellinabox wouldn't need a proxy
[17:34] <marsilainen> popey: does shellinabox run it's own daemon that listens on a port?
[17:34] <marsilainen> popey: how does apache connect to it?
[17:34] <popey> last time I looked it was a cgi script
[17:35] <popey> it doesn't listen on its own port or run its own webserver as I understand it
[17:35] <marsilainen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/shellinabox
[17:35] <marsilainen> that seems to suggest it runs on a port as a daemon?
[17:35] <ali1234> http://code.google.com/p/shellinabox/
[17:35] <ali1234> shellinaboxd -s /:LOGIN
[17:35] <popey> i had it running off my apache
[17:35] <ali1234> This command starts a web server at http://localhost:4200 and blah blah blah
[17:35] <popey> not separately
[17:36] <ali1234> yeah. i'm sure you could set up ajaxterm to do that, but the point is to run it as a different user with different permissions for extra security (i guess)
[17:36] <popey> ok
[17:37] <marsilainen> if it was to run as cgi, who would it run as?
[17:37] <marsilainen> I guess it would have to run as root?
[17:37] <marsilainen> to allow people to login
[17:37] <marsilainen> sounds scary...
[17:37] <ali1234> CGI typically runs as the webserver user
[17:37] <marsilainen> but then how could people log in?
[17:37] <ali1234> at the end of the day anything run by the webserver is run by the webserver user
[17:38] <ali1234> the webserver doesn't actually have to run as root
[17:38] <ali1234> the webserver can effectively ssh to localhost using the credentials you supply it
[17:38] <ali1234> that's just one way it can work
[17:38] <marsilainen> that's true
[17:39] <marsilainen> in any case, everything I see for shellinabox seems to indicate that it runs it's own daemon listening on a port, just like ajaxterm
[17:39] <marsilainen> so the issues are still the same whichever is used
[17:39] <ali1234> but the webserver user does need certain privileges which may or may not be appropriate for the "normal" webservers you also want to run
[17:39] <ali1234> pretty much yeah
[17:40] <ali1234> comes down to which one you like better/ has better reviews
[17:47] <ali1234> why is it whenever i buy books online, i always get a voucher for wine?
[17:47] <jacobw> wb suprengr
[17:47] <ali1234> doesn't seem to even matter where i buy the books from
[17:47] <jacobw> the internet is telling you need to get out more :)
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> why do you need to get out of you have wine
[17:48] <suprengr> o/
[17:58] <popey> hmm, looks like virgin are rate limiting my connection
[17:58] <popey> getting 4.8Mb/s down
[18:02] <penguin42> popey: What's that limited down from?
[18:02] <popey> 20Mb/s
[18:03] <popey> ah well, walk away from the computer for a bit
[18:03] <penguin42> popey: It's not too extreme a limit, have you been battering it hard all day?
[18:03] <suprengr> popey: sure it's it's not just the electrons getting cold?
[19:01] <AlanBell> 30th good for people?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> what's up the 30th?
[19:03] <AlanBell> rescheduled meeting
[19:38] <BigRedS> Is there some filesystem-level encryption for a linuxy filesystem? Like on fat and ntfs
[19:41] <_H> does the pressure of water matter for a washing machine? I have 4bars of pressure...
[19:48] <Yorvyk> _H, Yes if it is too low but 4 bar is OK. Most household water systems should be 2-6 bar.
[19:49] <_H> Yorvyk: I'm 12 floors up... pressure like that is impressive no?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> _H: high buildings have special pumps
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> so everyone has enough pressure
[19:51] <_H> oh, ok
[19:51]  * MartijnVdS has two (one for hot, one for cold)
[19:51] <_H> we just had ours redone
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> (yes I have 3-4 bars of HOT water 8-)
[19:52] <_H> all 144 flats all new electric [mains] new fuse boards and circuit breakers, new kitchin and bathrooms too
[19:53]  * _H likes her council flat [hides as the fact that she has new things in a council flat means that people may hate her]
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> _H: all houses need updates/fixes, even council flats :)
[19:54]  * MartijnVdS is saving money for a new kitchen
[19:55] <_H> MartijnVdS: your right you know [I spent 4 years without a kitchin there where 3 units that was it
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> _H: mine's falling apart a little :)
[19:56] <_H> oh and it cost over 3 quid to heat enough water TO SIMPLY wash up
[19:56] <_H> or bath
[19:59] <dutchie> BigRedS: there is always ecryptfs
[20:04] <BigRedS> dutchie: hmm, would that necessarily reduce the used size?
[20:04]  * BigRedS wanders off for a google
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: which one? :)
[20:07] <daubers> Evening
[20:07] <_H> BigRedS:  auntie google knows everything
[20:08] <BigRedS> haha
[20:09] <BigRedS> I've got distracted from that already...
[20:10] <Azelphur> my mums stranded at work :(
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[20:18] <Azelphur> If anyone happens to play TF2, I have 2 servers up and running with the latest update :D
[20:21]  * MartijnVdS only has TF2 on PS3
[20:22] <ali1234> i heard TF2 on PC is just a game about collecting hats now
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, depends on if you care about hats or not
[20:23] <Azelphur> hats are fun but the game is still there
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> capture the hat
[20:23]  * Flashtek gets to install 2 Xubuntu systems in 2 schools next week..
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> why xubuntu?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> (any special reason?)
[20:24] <Flashtek> it's for a display unit..
[20:24] <Flashtek> displaying 3 web pages
[20:24] <Flashtek> that's all it does
[20:24] <Flashtek> Xubuntu is small, light and works..
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> ah cool
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> to display time tables, etc. in a slideshow?
[20:26] <Flashtek> no, let me show you what it'll display..
[20:26] <Flashtek> http://dash.wattsure.com/microgriddisp.aspx?siteid=136
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> connected to issyl0's projects?
[20:27]  * dutchie wonders what's going on in http://ubuntuone.com/p/UME/
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: fire in minecrack?
[20:28] <Flashtek> MartijnVdS: issyl0's projects ?
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: http://www.govspark.org.uk/ ?
[20:30] <ali1234> it's a generic error page, look: http://ubuntuone.com/p/UME/ert/saspsadjsd/falsepage/asdlkasjsdas/00000/qwd123ed23/
[20:30] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: yeah, but no idea what started it
[20:31] <dutchie> ah, that lavafall
[20:32] <Flashtek> MartijnVdS: nope.. not linked to that.. though we owuld be happy to help
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: you should poke her about it :)
[20:37] <Flashtek> MartijnVdS: poked
[20:37] <Flashtek> MartijnVdS: see the 3 tabs at the top of the page ?
[20:39] <Flashtek> those are the 3 pages..
[21:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:34] <dutchie> czajkowski: hi
[21:34] <dutchie> still stuck in the airport?
[21:34] <czajkowski> #yup
[21:34] <czajkowski> will e till 7:30pm tomorrow
[21:34] <czajkowski> less than impressed
[21:42] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[21:42] <AlanBell> are you OK there tonight?
[21:42] <czajkowski> aye
[21:42] <czajkowski> dont have a choice really
[21:42] <czajkowski> all hotels are fully booked
[21:43] <AlanBell> as long as you are safe and warm
[21:43] <AlanBell> and have cider
[21:47] <czajkowski> pub closing in an hour
[22:04] <czajkowski> sigh
[22:05] <LewisCawte> ugh, why do my speakers keep popping :|
[22:17]  * dutchie hugs czajkowski 
[22:25] <czajkowski> hmmm
[22:25] <czajkowski> so cheer me up
[22:25] <czajkowski> who won strictly
[22:25] <czajkowski> eh
[22:26] <dutchie> kara
[22:27] <dutchie> (apologies to anyone who i just spoilt it for)
[22:27] <czajkowski> cheers
[22:29] <xr1> I was wondering is its possible to run a SDHC card as a harddrive, I read online that it would kill the memory card because it is limited to write cycles? Is this right?
[22:33] <Yorvyk> xr1, depends what you do with it
[22:33] <xr1> Yorvyk: I want to run Ubuntu on it
[22:34] <xr1> instead of using a normal hard drive
[22:34] <xr1> although I don't know if the speed would be a problem?
[22:36] <Yorvyk> If you have swap on it it may die quite quickly
[22:36] <popey> not as quick as you might think
[22:37] <Yorvyk> The speed will be similar to a USB drive as that is how card slots are noramlly attched to the MOBO
[22:37] <xr1> ok
[22:41] <xr1> So how long is a SDHC card likely to last for
[22:43] <Yorvyk> xr1, how long’s a piece of string :)
[22:44] <xr1> ok ok ;)
[22:46] <popey> i have seen estimates of ~25 years
[22:47] <popey> based on average usage
[22:51] <dwatkins> I've seen reports which say an SSD can be worn out in 9 months of continuous reading and writing
[22:51] <dwatkins> but that's maxing-out the interface for the whole time.
[22:51] <xr1> What about running it of a USB stick.. is that the same problem or not?
[22:52] <AlanBell> SSD!=SDHC
[22:52] <xr1> SSD I cannot afford ;)
[22:52] <dwatkins> true, AlanBell, but I believe they use the same means to store data, although I could be wrong.
[22:52] <AlanBell> but either way, it will last quite a long time
[22:52] <dwatkins> indeed, it would take quite a lot of writing to kill one, in general
[22:53] <AlanBell> they put them in Mac laptops, which are designed to last at least until the next one is announced
[22:53] <xr1> Maybe I should get it a go and see
[22:54] <dwatkins> turn off atime, xr1
[22:54] <dwatkins> that way, you won't write to the device every time a file is accessed
[22:54] <AlanBell> isn't that off by default these days?
[22:55] <dwatkins> I don't know, there's also the question on whether you want to use a journalled filesystem, but I havn't looked into ext4 for flash storage, so my information is probably well out of date
[22:56] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2099/is-it-worth-to-tune-ext4-with-noatime
[23:01] <ali1234> the USB stick would probably last longer, but only because they are so slow
[23:03]  * popey wonders where czajkowski is
[23:03]  * czajkowski tickles popey 
[23:04] <czajkowski> Boo
[23:04]  * bigcalm ponders another vodka and pepsimax
[23:04]  * Gary tickles czajkowski \o/
[23:05] <czajkowski> hmm found a piece of space but the power socket is dead, probably why it was free in the first place
[23:07] <Flashtek>  lol
[23:07] <ali1234> this was just posted on another channel: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf
[23:08] <dwatkins> that's one handy channel, ali1234
[23:08] <popey> czajkowski: got much battery left? any way to get some sleep?
[23:09] <bigcalm> From my experience, it takes a long time to get to sleep at airports
[23:09] <czajkowski> popey: nope and nope
[23:09] <czajkowski> most power sockets are gone
[23:09] <czajkowski> no way I can sleep here
[23:10] <czajkowski> meh not the end of the wolrd I guess just stupidly annoying
[23:10] <popey> :(
[23:10] <czajkowski> also while I love kids, kids who pull screaming tanturms and parents walk off need to be shot
[23:10] <dutchie> bigcalm: classy drinking
[23:11] <bigcalm> dutchie: enjoyable
[23:11] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I have some sympathy with the parents tbh
[23:11] <bigcalm> I appear to be building the Great Wall of China in Minecraft
[23:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: there is still no need to let kids scream and pull a wobbly tbh. it doesnt do anyone any favours
[23:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: if you can't beat them join them
[23:13] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not fair on the hundreds of people tbh, for parents not able to control their kids.
[23:14]  * dutchie goes back to minecraft
[23:14]  * czajkowski takes dutchie minecraft away from him 
[23:14] <czajkowski> dutchie: unpacked yet
[23:14] <dutchie> yes, actually
[23:14] <dutchie> today
[23:15] <maco> czajkowski: i think the reason parents walk off is as a way to say to their kids "lalala im not listening, you're not getting your way, so stop it"
[23:15] <czajkowski> well done :p
[23:15] <czajkowski> maco: so it's ok for the others to have to deal with it. maco also to note, usually I adore kids, but manners are a must.
[23:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: so do you have a plane tomorrow?
[23:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye in theory 7:25pm but we were just told it may not take off due to A) weather and B) backlog
[23:17] <AlanBell> crap
[23:19] <czajkowski> yes I was using a lot stronger earlier on
[23:19] <AlanBell> I can hardly believe it of you
[23:22] <mattt> heathrow's still shut?
[23:22] <czajkowski> mattt: yes
[23:23] <mattt> you're stuck there over night?
[23:24] <czajkowski> yup
[23:24] <mattt> :(
[23:27] <dwatkins> I hope they're feeding you, czajkowski
[23:29] <exobuzz> good morning/night
[23:30] <Azelphur> haha, now this is gonna be funny
[23:30] <exobuzz> the snow is annoying. its too cold to work with artistically
[23:30] <LSEactuary> 'join #km0201
[23:30] <Azelphur> exobuzz: :p
[23:30] <exobuzz> i wanted to do a snow C= logo and its too powedery
[23:31] <Azelphur> my dads been running around shouting at everyone and trying to accuse the lodger of using too much bandwith
[23:31] <Azelphur> and me and my brother have both been calling shenanigans
[23:31] <exobuzz> tell your dad, pay an extra 2 quid a month
[23:31] <exobuzz> hold on
[23:31] <exobuzz> you should pay it!
[23:31] <Azelphur> haha
[23:31] <exobuzz> you are the one downloading my joggler images
[23:31] <exobuzz> 1gb each
[23:31] <exobuzz> :D
[23:31] <Azelphur> exobuzz: the fun part is that nobody is using significantly more bandwith than anyone else
[23:32] <exobuzz> i have a feeling you are far too old to be living at home now
[23:32] <exobuzz> :)
[23:32] <dwatkins> measue it and get everyone to pay proportionally?
[23:32] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha
[23:32] <dwatkins> *measure
[23:32] <Azelphur> dwatkins: or just just go on an ISP which is cheaper and unlimited
[23:32] <Azelphur> which is what me and my brother have been saying
[23:32] <dwatkins> yeah, that's a much better option
[23:32] <exobuzz> Azelphur, <25 maybe ok >25.. you bandwidth cheapskate! :)
[23:32] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I'm 20 :p
[23:32] <dwatkins> I just switched to 40 GB a month with BT, I'll probably go for their unlimited option soon
[23:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:33] <exobuzz> Azelphur, its good to know. that 20 year olds runs linux.. and not just old men with beards
[23:33] <exobuzz> :)
[23:33] <dwatkins> We've used 35 GB this month already.
[23:33] <Azelphur> but yea the amusing part is that my dads been starting huge arguments and trying to get me to firewall the lodger
[23:33] <dwatkins> ...and there are only two of us
[23:33] <Azelphur> but everyone so far is using more or less the same bandwith :D
[23:34] <exobuzz> Azelphur, this one is for you http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[23:34] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/December%202010/2010-12-18-233349_1037x478_scrot.png is the stats :P
[23:34] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha
[23:34] <dwatkins> the upside-down-ternet is an awesome idea
[23:34] <Azelphur> My dads been trying to pin it all on 00:26, but as you can see there isn't a huge difference
[23:34] <exobuzz> or blurred-to-fucknernet
[23:34] <exobuzz> im not swearing. its a real word
[23:34] <Azelphur> haha
[23:34] <Azelphur> I just like making my dad pay the extra bills because he refuses to switch to an unlimited ISP
[23:35] <Azelphur> It's good to watch him pay for acting like an idiot :)
[23:35] <dwatkins> is there a 12 or 18 month tie-in?
[23:35] <Azelphur> dwatkins: nope, we arn't tied
[23:35] <exobuzz> i did 300gb upstream from public ftp from my home adsl last month. i might be on my isp shitlist
[23:35] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha
[23:35] <exobuzz> ftp to my ip and help yourselves
[23:35] <exobuzz> :)
[23:35] <exobuzz> everyone else does
[23:37] <exobuzz> all good quality downloads ofcourse. no rubbish films. proper stuff like.. mirrors of worldofspectrum and 450,000 music mods, and magazine scans..
[23:37] <exobuzz> :)
[23:37] <exobuzz> and if you like computers. check out this recent mag scanning project http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/byte/
[23:37] <exobuzz> awesome stuff. 1975 onwards
[23:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:38] <exobuzz> altair 8800. only $1795. no monitor or keyboard
[23:38] <exobuzz> etc
[23:38] <exobuzz> :)
[23:38] <dwatkins> exobuzz: I used to live in Reading, just reading about the site you just did
[23:38] <exobuzz> dwatkins, aah.. im near reading. didcot..
[23:39] <exobuzz> dwatkins, the joggler site or my exotica site or ?
[23:39] <dwatkins> the tourism one was what I had started reading about
[23:39] <dwatkins> I used to live in Didcot, too
[23:39] <exobuzz> you read my commercial site page.. hah. im terrible. i did that about 6 years ago..
[23:40] <dwatkins> now I live in Edinburgh, however
[23:40] <dwatkins> hahaha
[23:40] <exobuzz> i should update the news
[23:40] <exobuzz> lol
[23:40] <exobuzz> i need to rm -rf it
[23:40] <dwatkins> copyright says 2010
[23:40] <exobuzz> print date
[23:40] <exobuzz> :)
[23:40] <dwatkins> I couldn't access an ftp site so I sent for port 80
[23:40] <dwatkins> heh
[23:40] <exobuzz> i should do a blog about my self. since i have all this crap everywhere. and i need a central thing
[23:41] <exobuzz> i ean. my business name/website was a rubbish idea since i dont update it so..
[23:41] <exobuzz> this is the closest thing i have to a homepage http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/User:BuZz . lame huh. although www.exotica.org.uk is my baby
[23:41] <exobuzz> 14 years online
[23:42] <exobuzz> (although under various domains over the years)
[23:42] <dwatkins> yeah, I know the feeling
[23:44] <exobuzz> this is a repost.. and im terrible but im doing it again. since i said the site was my baby. technically this is my baby :-) (1.8 years old though) http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Natalie_on_c64.jpg
[23:44] <exobuzz> :)
[23:44] <exobuzz> second post of that url on 2 days. but shes so cute. i cant help it. even though shes grown somewhat since!
[23:44] <dwatkins> awww
[23:45] <exobuzz> im talking about the c64 of course
[23:45] <exobuzz> :)
[23:45] <dwatkins> of course
[23:45] <popey> exobuzz: please upgrade xbmc on my xbox, thanks
[23:45] <popey> :)
[23:45] <exobuzz> popey, hi!
[23:45] <dwatkins> I need to get youtube to work on XBMC
[23:45] <exobuzz> popey, sure.. erm.. do you have a download ?
[23:45] <popey> no
[23:45] <popey> (I am semi kidding of course) :)
[23:45] <popey> i just cant be arsed :)
[23:45] <exobuzz> :)
[23:47] <dwatkins> I have an actual xbox running XBMC, is it even possible for me to upgrade it to a recent version of the software?
[23:48] <popey> i do too
[23:48] <popey> and sometime I'll upgrade it
[23:48] <popey> but now.. bed
[23:48] <dwatkins> nn popey
[23:48] <popey> nn
[23:49] <czajkowski> nn popey
[23:49] <bigcalm> Toodle pip, popey
[23:52] <exobuzz> dwatkins, xbmc on htpc or xbox1 ?
[23:52] <exobuzz> aah xbox1
[23:52] <exobuzz> http://www.sshcs.com/xbmc/?mode=DV
[23:53] <exobuzz> depending how your system is setup depends how to install. some systems duplicate the default.xbe to c:\ as xboxdash.xbe or something. other have it booting via another dash like evox
[23:53] <exobuzz> if worried. install it somewhere new, and launch form what you have to test
[23:53] <exobuzz> s/form/from
[23:54] <dwatkins> cool, thanks exobuzz - I'll have a read
[23:55] <exobuzz> i develop xbmc4xbox btw.. well only since april or something. i intended to fix a single bug with both the xbox and linux etc versions. then fell into a massive debate about the future of the xbox version. it got thrown out of the svn, and had its own hom and i somehow got roped into developing it more.. i roped myself in probably
[23:55] <dwatkins> wow I didn't realise it was still being actively developed, ace
[23:55] <exobuzz> me and another guy who was been working on it longer. and another guy who helps with skins/translations. but really 2 devs. and 1100 xbox users on the forum..
[23:55] <exobuzz> ned more devs
[23:55] <exobuzz> need
[23:56] <exobuzz> you can watch iplayer etc from a recent xbmc4xbox build
[23:56] <exobuzz> even 1500kbps h264..
[23:56] <dwatkins> woohoo
[23:56] <exobuzz> although it drops some frames here and there
[23:56] <exobuzz> i do the iplayer plugin also.. i need a new hobby
[23:56] <exobuzz> :)
[23:57] <dwatkins> heh
[23:57] <dwatkins> We recently hooked a PS3 up to the net, and discovered all the neat stuff it can do
[23:58] <exobuzz> yeh ps3 is pretty nice. id buy one if it wasnt so pricey (and i dont like the sony tax)
[23:58] <exobuzz> also ive got 3 unplayed games on my wii.. i mean.. id probably let it gather dust too
[23:58] <exobuzz> i use my xbox1 more.. funny
[23:58] <exobuzz> http://www.xbmc4xbox.org is the "commuity site for xbmc on xbox"
[23:59] <dwatkins> excellent